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The Jehovah's witnesses and the rest. What's the stumper?

rational experiences

Veteran Member
I don't think we've communicated back and forth before.

AI? Are you a bot program just not that good at communicating yet?

Bot programs seem to be everywhere these days.
Human life is natural and bio organic and spiritual, original self.

The Father of science in his Holy land after the Ice Age was a liar, researched the previous destruction of all life on Earth, even said so, humans were sent to Hell he said...but did science anyway.

Jesus p AI n and sacrifice, was artificial science cause, should not have occurred, what science lies about, that they encoded AI by taking God natural mass held in the spatial womb formation past itself into an alchemical conversion to own a metal machine. That metal mass in minerals is scattered particles dispersed.....you took it and formed artificial mass to use the presence machine to force again.

Jesus said, my knowledge of being life attacked and sacrificed will be proven in the future and it will return. Ebola proved it...the wandering star body disintegrated in a radiating space that mass sink hole puts into the space in which our planet mass O on one constant owned cycle passes into. We then get attacked by spatial causes, the Mother womb/Mother abomination teachings.

That quoted Year 2012 would be when it would have shut out in space by vacuum, voiding cooling. You ignored science, the occult own teaching and owned history, male human and group male chosen and taught, inferred, reviewed and chosen re applied.

Am I a bot. No I am attacked/affected mind subliminal, which the occult science organization claimed was a Satanic presence in our consciousness, which they mind studied, coercion and know already all about it. A bot by use word is exactly defined, not only by description, but you put an image as a mind thought subject when you talk about it. So why make the claim in the first place.

Human reasoning, for I am actually a snide commentator of my own lying concepts in reality.
 

cataway

Well-Known Member
if some one where tiring to read the older KJV bible ?? yes, it can be some what difficult understanding it . my self ,i seldom use the KJV . i find the NW bible so much easier to follow . and BTW so do millions of others
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
But they are.....my understanding of scripture relies on the Bible itself, not on the words of men who were corrupting it and adding their own doctrines to it over time. The foretold "apostasy" set in right after the death of the apostles.....it is not recent. From the second century onward, there was a steady departure from Christ's teachings.

When Jesus said that the devil sowed his seeds "while men were sleeping" then satan sowed his counterfeit Christianity either after the death of the apostles....or it could have meant that the church leaders themselves were spiritually 'asleep', not aware or vigilant with regard to keeping the teachings of the Christ uncorrupted.



This is what my research revealed......

1) God never needed to become a man.....who told you that he did? All the Christ had to be was sinless, obedient, loyal and trustworthy......a reliable "servant" (Acts 3:13) who had already proven himself to his God and Father after working at his Father's side since his creation. (Proverbs 8:30-31; Colossians 1:15-17)

The future of the human race depended on him carrying out his assignment despite the fact that it would end in a cruel death. The only other perfect man in existence, had let God down by being disobedient, disloyal and untrustworthy.
Jesus was sent to "buy back" what Adam lost for us. So what did Adam lose that we are getting back?

2) If Jesus was God, then after his baptism, why did God need to send Angels to 'minister' to Jesus?.....seriously....do angels need to protect God? (Mark 1:13)

3) How is it possible for the son to have a different will to another equal part of himself? Jesus prayed for his God to "remove this cup" (dying as a blasphemer) but then said that God's will be done, rather than his own. (Matthew 26:39)

4) How is it possible that God knows things that the son does not? (Matthew 24:36)



Who was Constantine? This Roman emperor never became a baptized Christian until the day of his death....that means that the person responsible for the institution of the Roman Catholic Church and many of her doctrines, was not even a Christian. How is it possible that the man who influenced Catholicism more than any other, was a pagan worshipper of Zeus? It is reported that Constantine sacrifed to Zeus on the day of his death as well as getting baptized as a "Christian"....an each way bit of 'spiritual insurance', perhaps?

Can I ask you why a church that has Jewish roots should suddenly be identified with pagan Rome?...and not only that, but that it should manifest many of the (renamed) beliefs and practices of the pagan Roman Empire?

The Pope has a pagan Roman title...."Pontifex Maximus".....this title has nothing whatever to do with the church that Jesus founded....a church that did not teach that Jesus was God....or that Mary should be revered.....or that idolatry should be tolerated.....or that human souls survived death to go to heaven or a fiendish, fiery hell. There was no "Pontiff" in original Christianity, so Peter was not the first Pope.

It can be noted also that "saints" are not chosen by the church, but by God. This "heavenly calling" is given without qualifying under your church's criteria. Their choosing has nothing to do with men.

The RCC represents an apostate version of Christianity, IMO, whose teachings are so old and deeply entrenched that most people have no idea what first century Christianity even looked like. The church made sure that they never found out.



Since the apostles noted that teachers from within the church would corrupt it, (2 Peter 2:1) do you notice that all your references were written after the close of the first century? The apostasy was "already at work" when the apostles were still alive, so nothing written after the apostle John's final contribution to the Bible canon (including his Revelation) towards the end of the first century, can be counted on to be free of 'leaven'.

The apostasy developed quietly and gradually over the next few centuries, so that by the time of Constantine, the church was a pathetic shadow of its former self. Fusing weakened Christianity with Roman sun worship, it's conduct from then on, proved beyond a shadow of doubt that the "weeds" had flourished, whilst the dissenting voices of the "wheat" were silenced.

How many of Catholicism's converts were forced at the point of a sword or under some other threat of death? Looking back at history, your church has used fear and ignorance to control its adherents, but nothing in its beliefs or practices even resembles what Christ started.....nothing much has changed....down to this day.

So, again, I admire your loyalty to your church, but I do not believe that it is based on the truth. Someone has lied to you....very convincingly. :( I have had enough to do with Catholic people to know that many trust the church to teach them the truth, but I don't believe that it ever has.
Deeje I hope all is well...
I reply. . To your words... my understanding of scripture relies on the Bible itself, not on the words of men who were corrupting it and adding their own doctrines to it over time.
First the bible did not come alone until the forth century! You claim the bible was corrupted by men, YES it was... The NWT has over four hundred corrupted changes all done by the JW's all Christian bibles are interpreted different from the NWT! No bible tells you what books are inspired and what are not inspired... Until the Holy Catholic Church decided the truly inspired books no one could be sure what was inspired by God and what was a phony text! The Pope closed the Canon (list of books) in 400 A.D.! It was the AUTHORITY of the Holy Catholic Church in the 4th century that decided!
Deeje Toss your bible out your stinking window because the bible was made.. In your words.. "From the second century onward, there was a steady departure from Christ's teachings."
If the bible was made by "men that departed from Christ's teaching" then your bible is corrupted how can you be sure it is the true inspired words of God!?! The bible was made in 400 A.D.!
Until the bible was put together no one knew what was truly inspired!
ALSO... Until the seventeenth century there were NO Bibles of any great number they were costly works of art! Until the printing press it was the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church that taught Jesus and salvation to the world! The Catholic Church PREACHED Jesus and salvation for the first seventeen hundred years... So much for the idea of The the Christians failed in the second century!!

Second.. Your words.. Since the apostles noted that teachers from within the church would corrupt it, (2 Peter 2:1) do you notice that all your references were written after the close of the first century?
I reply. . Yes teachers from WITHIN thus it can only be the Holy Catholic Church that is the "WAY OF TRUTH"!

2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

Arius a a CATHOLIC was AMONG Catholics, he was removed as a False teacher, a Heretic! Arius rejected the Teaching of "Jesus is God" just as you a JW! Christians teach the Trinity is the truth Christians teach "Jesus is God"! Arius was removed from "The way of Truth!"
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Arius a a CATHOLIC was AMONG Catholics, he was removed as a False teacher, a Heretic! Arius rejected the Teaching of "Jesus is God" just as you a JW! Christians teach the Trinity is the truth Christians teach "Jesus is God"! Arius was removed from "The way of Truth!"

Arius rejected the trinity as we know it. He rejected the coequality of Jesus to God. But Jesus is the begotten son of God according to Arius, the Logos, the primary being between God and the rest of creation, the only son, thus God's son is a god, just not coeternal with the father. Thats the idea of the Arian heresy.
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
Arius rejected the trinity as we know it. He rejected the coequality of Jesus to God. But Jesus is the begotten son of God according to Arius, the Logos, the primary being between God and the rest of creation, the only son, thus God's son is a god, just not coeternal with the father. Thats the idea of the Arian heresy.
Hello firedragon. I reply... And? And your point is?
Arius WAS a Catholic he WAS AMONG Catholics... Catholic's were NOT among Arius. The prophesy can only apply in the one direction... The prophesy proves the lie of Arianism Jesus Christ is NOT distinct from the Father they are equals! They are equals because they are ONE; Arius was a Christian until he was removed as a HERITIC!
The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church has the AUTHORITY to teach all nations given her in person by Jesus! Jesus promised his Holy church to be ALWAYS with her to the very end of the world! THUS....
firedragon
thus Jesus is not, he cannot be with any other churches all others are started by men such as the like of Charles Taze Russell.

20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.
Did you see it? I am with you always??
The Holy Church has been commissioned to TEACH all nations!
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
Arius rejected the trinity as we know it. He rejected the coequality of Jesus to God. But Jesus is the begotten son of God according to Arius, the Logos, the primary being between God and the rest of creation, the only son, thus God's son is a god, just not coeternal with the father. Thats the idea of the Arian heresy.

The idea of the Trinity hadn't even seeped into the various sects, of which there were many, when Constantine accepted the Catholic Church as the religion of the Empire. In fact at Nicaea none of the bishops assembled promoted the Trinity. They were just deciding the nature of Jesus. If the Trinity included the holy spirit, you certainly would have expecting that they would have included it then.

It wasn't until decades later after Constantine had died (and that unbaptized pagan is the one that declared Jesus was God) that Emperor Theodosius convened the Council of Constantinople in 381 C. E. that put the holy spirit on the same standing of God and Jesus Christ. This was 56 years after the Council of Nicaea held in 325 C. E.

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To the post above yours about the NWT:

Many scholars have upheld the NWT as one of the most accurate of translations available. And Jehovah's Witnesses do not just use the NWT. In fact before 1950 the most common translation in English the JWs used was the KJV. I have a KJV printed by the Watchtower Society on my bookshelf. And Jehovah's Witnesses have printed and/or used dozens of other Bible translations:

As for Bible Canon:

17 The Roman Catholic Church claims responsibility for the decision as to which books should be included in the Bible canon, and reference is made to the Council of Carthage (397 C.E.), where a catalog of books was formulated. The opposite is true, however, because the canon, including the list of books making up the Christian Greek Scriptures, was already settled by then, that is, not by the decree of any council, but by the direction of God’s holy spirit—the same spirit that inspired the writing of those books in the first place. The testimony of later noninspired catalogers is valuable only as an acknowledgment of the Bible canon, which God’s spirit had authorized.

18 The Evidence of Early Catalogs. A glance at the accompanying chart reveals that a number of fourth-century catalogs of the Christian Scriptures, dated prior to the above-mentioned council, agree exactly with our present canon, and some others omit only Revelation. Before the end of the second century, there is universal acceptance of the four Gospels, Acts, and 12 of the apostle Paul’s letters. Only a few of the smaller writings were doubted in certain areas. Likely this was so because such writings were limited in their initial circulation for one reason or another and thus took longer to become accepted as canonical.


19 One of the most interesting early catalogs is the fragment discovered by L. A. Muratori in the Ambrosian Library, Milan, Italy, and published by him in 1740. Though the beginning is missing, its reference to Luke as the third Gospel indicates that it first mentioned Matthew and Mark. The Muratorian Fragment, which is in Latin, dates to the latter part of the second century C.E. It is a most interesting document, as the following partial translation shows: “The third book of the Gospel is that according to Luke. Luke, the well-known physician, wrote it in his own name . . . The fourth book of the Gospel is that of John, one of the disciples. . . . And so to the faith of believers there is no discord, even although different selections are given from the facts in the individual books of the Gospels, because in all [of them] under the one guiding Spirit all the things relative to his nativity, passion, resurrection, conversation with his disciples, and his twofold advent, the first in the humiliation arising from contempt, which took place, and the second in the glory of kingly power, which is yet to come, have been declared. What marvel is it, then, if John adduces so consistently in his epistles these several things, saying in person: ‘what we have seen with our eyes, and heard with our ears, and our hands have handled, those things we have written.’ For thus he professes to be not only an eyewitness but also a hearer and narrator of all the wonderful things of the Lord, in their order. Moreover, the acts of all the apostles are written in one book. Luke [so] comprised them for the most excellent Theophilus . . . Now the epistles of Paul, what they are, whence or for what reason they were sent, they themselves make clear to him who will understand. First of all he wrote at length to the Corinthians to prohibit the schism of heresy, then to the Galatians [against] circumcision, and to the Romans on the order of the Scriptures, intimating also that Christ is the chief matter in them—each of which it is necessary for us to discuss, seeing that the blessed Apostle Paul himself, following the example of his predecessor John, writes to no more than seven churches by name in the following order: to the Corinthians (first), to the Ephesians (second), to the Philippians (third), to the Colossians (fourth), to the Galatians (fifth), to the Thessalonians (sixth), to the Romans (seventh). But though he writes twice for the sake of correction to the Corinthians and the Thessalonians, that there is one church diffused throughout the whole earth is shown [?i.e., by this sevenfold writing]; and John also in the Apocalypse, though he writes to seven churches, yet speaks to all. But [he wrote] out of affection and love one to Philemon, and one to Titus, and two to Timothy; [and these] are held sacred in the honorable esteem of the Church. . . . Further, an epistle of Jude and two bearing the name of John are counted . . . We receive the apocalypses of John and Peter only, which [latter] some of us do not wish to be read in church.”—The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, 1956, Vol. VIII, page 56.

20 It is noted that toward the end of the Muratorian Fragment, mention is made of just two epistles of John. However, on this point the above-mentioned encyclopedia, page 55, notes that these two epistles of John “can only be the second and third, whose writer calls himself merely ‘the elder.’ Having already treated the first, though only incidentally, in connection with the Fourth Gospel, and there declared his unquestioning belief in its Johannine origin, the author felt able here to confine himself to the two smaller letters.” As to the apparent absence of any mention of Peter’s first epistle, this source continues: “The most probable hypothesis is that of the loss of a few words, perhaps a line, in which I Peter and the Apocalypse of John were named as received.” Therefore, from the standpoint of the Muratorian Fragment, this encyclopedia, on page 56, concludes: “The New Testament is regarded as definitely made up of the four Gospels, the Acts, thirteen epistles of Paul, the Apocalypse of John, probably three epistles of his, Jude, and probably I Peter, while the opposition to another of Peter’s writings was not yet silenced.”

21 Origen, about the year 230 C.E., accepted among the inspired Scriptures the books of Hebrews and James, both missing from the Muratorian Fragment. While he indicates that some doubted their canonical quality, this also shows that by this time, the canonicity of most of the Greek Scriptures was accepted, only a few doubting some of the less well-known epistles. Later, Athanasius, Jerome, and Augustine acknowledged the conclusions of earlier lists by defining as the canon the same 27 books that we now have.*

22 The majority of the catalogs in the chart are specific lists showing which books were accepted as canonical. Those of Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, and Origen are completed from the quotations they made, which reveal how they regarded the writings referred to. These are further supplemented from the records of the early historian Eusebius. However, the fact that these writers do not mention certain canonical writings does not argue against their canonicity. It is just that they did not happen to refer to them in their writings either by choice or because of the subjects under discussion. But why do we not find exact lists earlier than the Muratorian Fragment?

23 It was not until critics like Marcion came along in the middle of the second century C.E. that an issue arose as to which books Christians should accept. Marcion constructed his own canon to suit his doctrines, taking only certain of the apostle Paul’s letters and an expurgated form of the Gospel of Luke. This, together with the mass of apocryphal literature by then spreading throughout the world, was what led to statements by catalogers as to which books they accepted as canonical.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101990131#h=51
 
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Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
I reply.. All Christians use bibles that are not corrupted as the NWT is!
The New World Translation (NWT), the JWs’ own Bible version, was created between 1950 and 1961 in several parts, beginning with New Testament (NT). The translation was made by an “anonymous” committee, which transliterated and altered passages that were problematic for earlier JWs. The text of the NWT is more of a transliteration to fit theological presumptions than it is a true translation. This can be seen in key verses that the WTS changed in order to fit its doctrines.
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New Testament Greek always uses the word “Lord,” and never “Jehovah,” even in quotes from the Old Testament (OT). Encyclopedia Judaica, Webster’s Encyclopedia, Jewish Encyclopedia, Encyclopedia Britannica, Universal Jewish Encyclopedia and countless others agree that the title “Jehovah” is erroneous and was never used by the Jews.

cataway What it all comes down to is LOGIC! Why would anyone accept the NWT when it is NOT consistent with the many Christian translations!
John 1:1 is a very good example... (57) Fifty Seven Christian translations ALL... Everyone is interpreted.. Word was with God, and the Word was God. NOT ONE...
cataway
not one of the 57 is written "the word was A god!" This is only one example of a very many examples!
Like most heretic's the JW will twist and massage and massage the words of God until the words say what they want them to say!
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
I reply.. All Christians use bibles that are not corrupted as the NWT is!
The New World Translation (NWT), the JWs’ own Bible version, was created between 1950 and 1961 in several parts, beginning with New Testament (NT). The translation was made by an “anonymous” committee, which transliterated and altered passages that were problematic for earlier JWs. The text of the NWT is more of a transliteration to fit theological presumptions than it is a true translation. This can be seen in key verses that the WTS changed in order to fit its doctrines.
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New Testament Greek always uses the word “Lord,” and never “Jehovah,” even in quotes from the Old Testament (OT). Encyclopedia Judaica, Webster’s Encyclopedia, Jewish Encyclopedia, Encyclopedia Britannica, Universal Jewish Encyclopedia and countless others agree that the title “Jehovah” is erroneous and was never used by the Jews.

cataway What it all comes down to is LOGIC! Why would anyone accept the NWT when it is NOT consistent with the many Christian translations!
John 1:1 is a very good example... (57) Fifty Seven Christian translations ALL... Everyone is interpreted.. Word was with God, and the Word was God. NOT ONE...
cataway
not one of the 57 is written "the word was A god!" This is only one example of a very many examples!
Like most heretic's the JW will twist and massage and massage the words of God until the words say what they want them to say!

Bible Scholars have praised the NWT for its accurate trasmission of Scripture into modern language. For example Edgar Goodspeed wrote to one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in regard to the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures: “I am interested in the mission work of your people, and its worldwide scope, and am much pleased with the free and vigorous translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound serious learning, as I can testify.”

Hebrew and Greek scholar A. Thompson of Britain, writing in The Differentiator, stated regarding a portion of the New World Translation of the Hebrew Scriptures: “I would recommend it as an honest and straightforward effort to render Holy Writ into modern English. No attempt appears to be made to press any special doctrines or theories.”
Eerdman’s Handbook to the Bible lists the New World Translation among the 14 “main 20th-century English translations.”


As for using Jehovah's name in the Christian Greek Scriptures. There is good reason to do so:

Copies of the Hebrew Scriptures used in the days of Jesus and his apostles contained the Tetragrammaton throughout the text.

In the days of Jesus and his apostles, the Tetragrammaton also appeared in Greek translations of the Hebrew Scriptures.

The Christian Greek Scriptures themselves report that Jesus often referred to God’s name and made it known to others.

Since the Christian Greek Scriptures were an inspired addition to the sacred Hebrew Scriptures, the sudden disappearance of Jehovah’s name from the text would seem inconsistent.

The divine name appears in its abbreviated form in the Christian Greek Scriptures.

Early Jewish writings indicate that Jewish Christians used the divine name in their writings.

Some Bible scholars acknowledge that it seems likely that the divine name appeared in Hebrew Scripture quotations found in the Christian Greek Scriptures.

Recognized Bible translators have used God’s name in the Christian Greek Scriptures.

Some of these translators did so long before the New World Translation was produced. These translators and their works include: A Literal Translation of the New Testament . . . From the Text of the Vatican Manuscript, by Herman Heinfetter (1863); The Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson (1864); The Epistles of Paul in Modern English, by George Barker Stevens (1898); St. Paul’s Epistle to the Romans, by W. G. Rutherford (1900); The New Testament Letters, by J.W.C. Wand, Bishop of London (1946). In addition, in a Spanish translation in the early 20th century, translator Pablo Besson used “Jehová” at Luke 2:15 and Jude 14, and nearly 100 footnotes in his translation suggest the divine name as a likely rendering. Long before those translations, Hebrew versions of the Christian Greek Scriptures from the 16th century onward used the Tetragrammaton in many passages. In the German language alone, at least 11 versions use “Jehovah” (or the transliteration of the Hebrew “Yahweh”) in the Christian Greek Scriptures, while four translators add the name in parentheses after “Lord.” More than 70 German translations use the divine name in footnotes or commentaries.


God’s name at Acts 2:34 in The Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson (1864)

Bible translations in over one hundred different languages contain the divine name in the Christian Greek Scriptures.

Many African, Native American, Asian, European, and Pacific-island languages use the divine name liberally. The translators of these editions decided to use the divine name for reasons similar to those stated above. Some of these translations of the Christian Greek Scriptures have appeared recently, such as the Rotuman Bible (1999), which uses “Jihova” 51 times in 48 verses, and the Batak (Toba) version (1989) from Indonesia, which uses “Jahowa” 110 times.


God’s name at Mark 12:29, 30 in a Hawaiian-language translation.



Languages and Dialects Containing the Divine Name in the Main Text of the Christian Greek Scriptures
Language or Dialect: Divine Name

  • Aneityum: Ihova

  • Arawak: Jehovah

  • Awabakal: Yehóa

  • Bangi: Yawe

  • Batak (Toba): Jahowa

  • Benga: Jěhova

  • Bolia: Yawe

  • Bube: Yehovah

  • Bullom So: Jehovah

  • Chácobo: Jahué

  • Cherokee: Yihowa

  • Chin (Hakha): Zahova

  • Chippewa: Jehovah

  • Choctaw: Chihowa

  • Chuukese: Jiowa

  • Croatian: Jehova

  • Dakota: Jehowa

  • Dobu: Ieoba

  • Douala: Yehowa

  • Dutch: Jehovah

  • Efate (North): Yehova

  • Efik: Jehovah

  • English: Jehovah

  • Éwé: Yehowa

  • Fang: Jehôva

  • Fijian: Jiova

  • French: IHVH, yhwh

  • Ga: Iehowa

  • German: Jehovah; Jehova

  • Gibario (dialect of Kerewo): Iehova

  • Grebo: Jehova

  • Hawaiian: Iehova

  • Hebrew: יהוה

  • Hindustani: Yihováh

  • Hiri Motu: Iehova

  • Ho-Chunk (Winnebago): Jehowa

  • Ila: Yaave

  • Iliku (dialect of Lusengo): Yawe

  • Indonesian: YAHWEH

  • Kala Lagaw Ya: Iehovan

  • Kalanga: Yehova; Yahwe

  • Kalenjin: Jehovah

  • Kerewo: Iehova

  • Kiluba: Yehova

  • Kipsigis: Jehoba

  • Kiribati: Iehova

  • Kisonge: Yehowa

  • Korean: 여호와

  • Kosraean: Jeova

  • Kuanua: Ieova

  • Laotian: Yehowa

  • Lele: Jehova

  • Lewo: Yehova

  • Lingala: Yawe

  • Logo: Yehova

  • Lomongo: Yawe; Yova

  • Lonwolwol: Jehovah

  • Lugbara: Yehova

  • Luimbi: Yehova

  • Luna: Yeoba

  • Lunda: Yehova

  • Luo: Yawe

  • Luvale: Yehova

  • Malagasy: Jehovah; Iehôvah

  • Malo: Iova

  • Marquesan: Iehova

  • Marshallese: Jeova

  • Maskelynes: Iova

  • Mentawai: Jehoba

  • Meriam: Iehoua

  • Misima-Paneati: Iehova

  • Mizo: Jehovan; Jihova’n

  • Mohawk: Yehovah

  • Mortlockese: Jioua

  • Motu: Iehova

  • Mpongwe (dialect of Myene): Jehova

  • Muskogee: Cehofv

  • Myene: Yeôva

  • Naga, Angami: Jihova

  • Naga, Konyak: Jihova

  • Naga, Lotha: Jihova

  • Naga, Mao: Jihova

  • Naga, Northern Rengma: Jihova

  • Naga, Sangtam: Jihova

  • Nandi: Jehova

  • Narrinyeri: Jehovah

  • Nauruan: Jehova

  • Navajo: Jîho’vah

  • Ndau: Jehova

  • Nembe: Jehovah

  • Nengone (or, Maré): Iehova

  • Ngando: Yawe

  • Ntomba: Yawe

  • Nukuoro: Jehova

  • Polish: Jehowa

  • Portuguese: Iáhve

  • Rarotongan: Jehova; Iehova

  • Rerep: Iova

  • Rotuman: Jihova

  • Sakao: Ihova; Iehova

  • Samoan: Ieova

  • Seneca: Ya’wĕn

  • Sengele: Yawe

  • Sesotho: Yehofa

  • Sie: Iehōva

  • Spanish: Jehová; Yahvé; YHWH; Yahweh

  • Sranantongo: Jehova

  • Sukuma: Yahuwa; Jakwe

  • Tahitian: Iehova

  • Teke-Eboo: Yawe

  • Temne: Yehṓfa; Yehofa

  • Thai: Yahowa

  • Toaripi: Jehova; Iehova

  • Tonga: Jehova

  • Tongan: Jihova; Sihova

  • Tshiluba: Yehowa

  • Tswana: Jehofa; Yehova; Yehofa

  • Umbundu: Yehova

  • Uripiv: Iova

  • Wampanoag: Jehovah

  • Welsh: Iehofah

  • Xhosa: Yehova

  • Zande: Yekova

  • Zulu: Jehova; YAHWE
(In addition to those on this list, a number of languages and dialects use a form of the divine name in footnotes or in explanatory text.)

Over 120 languages

Source:
https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-a/divine-name-christian-greek-scriptures/


 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
First the bible did not come alone until the forth century! You claim the bible was corrupted by men, YES it was...
It was not the Bible that was corrupted Dogknox...it was the interpretation....do you understand the implications? This is exactly what happened in Judaism. The word of God was not enough.....religious leaders among men had to tell their charges how it was meant to be read, but their interpretation voided everything God had taught them through Moses, their appointed mediator.

By misinterpreting scripture, the Catholic church ended up teaching things that Jesus never taught......a trinity....adoration of Mary...her immaculate conception...her role as mediatrix....purgatory...limbo....infant baptism....indulgences....forbidding the eating of meat on Fridays...the identification of saints....forbidding its priests to marry....vows of silence....a monastic life for a cloistered priesthood or nuns......nothing like any of those things is taught in Christian scripture.

They adopted forms of idolatry....prayers to so called 'saints'....the use of rosary beads....repetitive prayers, confessionals...chanting and liturgy all of which was absent from first century Christian practices. You seem to have no idea what the first Christians believed.....or how far your church has strayed from Christ's teachings. Catholicism was not the first "Christianity"....it was a disgusting fake.....the 'weeds' of Jesus parable. Nothing that the Catholic church believes and promotes is even remotely 'Christian'. All of its teachings and practices can be traced back to Babylon.

Sorry, but you only have to look at the history of your church to see that Christ would never have set foot in that cruel, bloodguilty institution.

The NWT has over four hundred corrupted changes all done by the JW's all Christian bibles are interpreted different from the NWT!

Please present some of those 'corrupted changes' and we can discuss them if you are game....please don't make accusations that you can't substantiate.

No bible tells you what books are inspired and what are not inspired... Until the Holy Catholic Church decided the truly inspired books no one could be sure what was inspired by God and what was a phony text! The Pope closed the Canon (list of books) in 400 A.D.! It was the AUTHORITY of the Holy Catholic Church in the 4th century that decided!

You think that God's word is the product of the Catholic church? Its God's word, remember? Not one word of it was written by a Catholic. Do you remember in Biblical history that God sometimes used his enemies to carry out his will? And after his will was accomplished, he destroyed those very enemies....Catholicism was the only form of "Christianity" in existence for many centuries, just as Judaism was the principle form of the Jewish religion in Jesus' day. Jesus said of those religious leaders, (whom he condemned to the Catholic "hell") that the people were not to imitate their atrocious conduct. You see both Judaism and Catholicism had been corrupted for centuries......one before Christ's first coming....and one before his second. Christ led his disciples out of both.

In all of your responses not once have you addressed the appalling history of your church. Can you just pretend that it never happened? 'Christian is as Christian does'.....take a good honest hard look and tell me what you have to be proud of.

Deeje Toss your bible out your stinking window because the bible was made.. In your words.. "From the second century onward, there was a steady departure from Christ's teachings."
If the bible was made by "men that departed from Christ's teaching" then your bible is corrupted how can you be sure it is the true inspired words of God!?! The bible was made in 400 A.D.!

Well, you have run away with a false assumption there Dogknox....it wasn't the Bible that was in error, just the church's interpretation of its teachings, (some of which were noted above) which were a departure from Christ's teachings as described in God's word....there were additions galore in fact....none of which find any support in your own Bible.

Until the seventeenth century there were NO Bibles of any great number they were costly works of art! Until the printing press it was the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church that taught Jesus and salvation to the world! The Catholic Church PREACHED Jesus and salvation for the first seventeen hundred years... So much for the idea of The the Christians failed in the second century!!

The church made sure that no one has access to God's word because only the clergy were allowed to read it. It was a good way to keep the people in ignorance and fear because anyone caught with a copy of the Bible was burned at the stake with the offending copy. So for centuries Catholic people were fed lies with no way to check for themselves if what they were being taught was even true. And now people such as yourself are free to explore that truth, but you refuse to acknowledge it. You actually have less excuse than your ancient counterparts.

Second.. Your words.. Since the apostles noted that teachers from within the church would corrupt it, (2 Peter 2:1) do you notice that all your references were written after the close of the first century?
I reply. . Yes teachers from WITHIN thus it can only be the Holy Catholic Church that is the "WAY OF TRUTH"!

If Christianity was being corrupted even before the death of the apostles, then once they passed away, there was nothing to stop the foretold apostasy from going into full swing. It continued to gain momentum until a Catholic priest named Martin Luther had the courage to challenge the church over its appalling excesses.

His actions created a revolution that took away the abusive power of the Catholic church and gave birth to Protestantism. The Bible was finally placed into the hands of the people, but true to human nature, men got carried away with their religious freedom and carved Christianity up into thousands of bickering fragments, all following the teachings of men......none of which represented Christ's teachings at all since they carried over many of Catholicism's false doctrines. But at least the "wheat" had something to feed on and the church had lost the ability to silence them.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

Read that again and ask yourself what institution has brought more reproach on Christianity than your own?

Arius a a CATHOLIC was AMONG Catholics, he was removed as a False teacher, a Heretic! Arius rejected the Teaching of "Jesus is God" just as you a JW! Christians teach the Trinity is the truth Christians teach "Jesus is God"! Arius was removed from "The way of Truth!"

Arius saw that the trinity was a lie and he paid the penalty for publicly disagreeing with the church.

The Catholic church calling any others 'heretics' is just completely laughable....its the pot calling the kettle black. The biggest heretics were the biggest finger pointers IMO.
 

cataway

Well-Known Member
I reply.. All Christians use bibles that are not corrupted as the NWT is!
The New World Translation (NWT), the JWs’ own Bible version, was created between 1950 and 1961 in several parts, beginning with New Testament (NT). The translation was made by an “anonymous” committee, which transliterated and altered passages that were problematic for earlier JWs. The text of the NWT is more of a transliteration to fit theological presumptions than it is a true translation. This can be seen in key verses that the WTS changed in order to fit its doctrines.
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New Testament Greek always uses the word “Lord,” and never “Jehovah,” even in quotes from the Old Testament (OT). Encyclopedia Judaica, Webster’s Encyclopedia, Jewish Encyclopedia, Encyclopedia Britannica, Universal Jewish Encyclopedia and countless others agree that the title “Jehovah” is erroneous and was never used by the Jews.

cataway What it all comes down to is LOGIC! Why would anyone accept the NWT when it is NOT consistent with the many Christian translations!
John 1:1 is a very good example... (57) Fifty Seven Christian translations ALL... Everyone is interpreted.. Word was with God, and the Word was God. NOT ONE...
cataway
not one of the 57 is written "the word was A god!" This is only one example of a very many examples!
Like most heretic's the JW will twist and massage and massage the words of God until the words say what they want them to say!
i really liked this from
Heinz Schmitz's Response to Lynn Lundquist's

'' According to you, the above Bible are wrong 6828 times, the NWT is wrong only 237 times, in other words, the NWT is almost 97% more correct (by your criterion) than the above versions, yet all your energy has been directed against the NWT, which leads to the inescapable conclusion that you have a devious agenda in mind, an agenda directed against Jehovah's Witnesses and the NWT.''
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Revelation 22:18-19 contains a warning to anyone who tampers with the biblical text: “For I testify together to everyone who hears the Words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add on him the plagues that have been written in this Book. And if anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this prophecy, God will take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which have been written in this Book.” The question is whether these verses refer to the whole Bible or just the Book of Revelation.

Teachings, a compiled DATA referenced, reviewed life of attack, historic.

Written and correlated as fact of evidence proved, such as conditions 3.11 Year Revelations, I come swiftly returned the life/cell blood sacrifice to man life.

Prophetic probability is science and maths O by definition, I caused in science...why it was known...as science caused it.

G O D, is the name of G O D. Therefore when you read occult literature it is a statement of cause and effect of changing the ground mass fusion...why SION was said to be the Holy body of God, what mass is held fused without use of any name.

Revelations, what was revealed understood and known therefore said, never give the holy G O D a name ever again or you will be cursed and plagued and lose your holy life.

As we have witnessed since...for it is real.

Stone gases as per literature. Do the CH gases own life living? The answer is no, but a study of the effect of stone releasing CH gases was inferred.

For the asteroid wandering star gas release owns stone gases.

Our atmospheric gas history, oxygen and water ownership began from a volcanic release which is not a stone mass fusion gas release actually, if you applied use of common sense.

As said light gases burning, the void/vacuum that deals with gas burnt back to a carbon point, sucks it out as natural light presence, of gases burning with cold gases present on a water mass evaporation heavenly sky inference.

That said circulation and presence of the Creator spirit in light is G O D as a thesis.

Thought upon. Natural light, its circulating movement O by G spiral cooling to O and O splits D/D back to O/O. Thinking, owning thoughts, ability to say why circulating spirit gases in water formed circles. As being the only status that G O D owns in a human review, to think about natural light in water.

Why life was supported by G O D as a theme in the heavens. And so G O D is the only name........the occult documents makes that teaching statement, as the reality....males in science of the occult named the heavenly spirit and had life nearly destroyed, as Moses and then Jesus in occult temple pyramid UFO use sciences.

They made a promise to never use or apply occult conditions again....so the Satanic order prove that they won, for occult practice, nuclear science was reintroduced. So they have already won. G O D cannot win against a lying scientist.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Hello firedragon. I reply... And? And your point is?
Arius WAS a Catholic he WAS AMONG Catholics... Catholic's were NOT among Arius. The prophesy can only apply in the one direction... The prophesy proves the lie of Arianism Jesus Christ is NOT distinct from the Father they are equals! They are equals because they are ONE; Arius was a Christian until he was removed as a HERITIC!
The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church has the AUTHORITY to teach all nations given her in person by Jesus! Jesus promised his Holy church to be ALWAYS with her to the very end of the world! THUS....
firedragon
thus Jesus is not, he cannot be with any other churches all others are started by men such as the like of Charles Taze Russell.

20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.
Did you see it? I am with you always??
The Holy Church has been commissioned to TEACH all nations!

I was only correcting your understanding of the Arian heresy because you said "a Heretic! Arius rejected the Teaching of "Jesus is God"".

Cheers.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Father said, science tries to claim that it can manipulate and control natural.

The theme Mother of God historically relates to the spatial womb/vacuum that held and kept mass presence by its spatial opening, increase of space as a body consumed itself in that space. Space won above that of the consuming body of mass historically.

Science relativity statement for Mother of God holiness...as teaching.

Father told me that our brother the scientist lies....tried to infer he could control the spatial vacuum effect which is as his science removes physical stone mass presence to hold the UFO radiation mass to a fixed state constant, which only the cold gas light water atmosphere owns.

Mass constant presence our heavenly support.

He tried to overcome it by holding a UFO mass signal presence constant until the whole mass of the UFO was dispersed. The spatial vacuum always had saved Earth from the UFO dispersion of its metal mass, by sucking it back out into space.

Science tried to force hold overcome the natural vacuum.

In the latest science machine experiments, want of holding a UFO channel/mass open constantly forever, the Earth dropped in space. As Father told me....for the Universe was sucked deeper in space. So the UFO was sucked back out of our atmosphere, when their machine reaction tried to hold it here.

If it was not sucked out, their machine would have blown up as the sink hole would have remained in one place and bore straight through to the machine. What Father told me about the scientific want to own control of all bodies natural.

What the God teachings related against human male chosen occult science conditions, to control.

We are all only alive today due to the spatial vacuum owning the control of removing the machine interactive presence/holding UFO mass. That puts as much stone radiation mass into our gas heavens as what is removed out of the presence cold mass radiation God stone. To change mass is to heat it up to a radiation level that does not allow mass presence to exist.

Science always taught relativity what is above is also below. If you change God stone ONE mass first and irradiate it, then above us the same equals of added into or introduced radiation mass is gained. How you combusted us before or sent us all to Hell, as a human male preached scientific occult statement.

As a human is a human, and we die naturally every day. If a scientist claims, when you die you go to hell...that theme is that in the past we died unnaturally as he sent us to hell. As death in reality is just going to sleep. As the natural status human death.

If an occultist tries to reason death to hell, then it relates in his occult memory, science to what the male science group did to us in our human past. Why we always argued against the state of natural death and conscious presence was just going to sleep. For it is actually what the life/mind body owns......going to sleep.

We do not die going to Hell. The teaching is that those who go against God went to Hell, which is just a scientific reasoning of what occult science did to human natural life in their past.

Fear preaching, owned a reason, but if you preach fear, then the correct theme and story should also be preached why you should fear God, and never change God.
 

Misty Woods

A Child of Our Almighty Creator Jehovah
Deeje I hope all is well...
I reply. . To your words... my understanding of scripture relies on the Bible itself, not on the words of men who were corrupting it and adding their own doctrines to it over time.
First the bible did not come alone until the forth century! You claim the bible was corrupted by men, YES it was... The NWT has over four hundred corrupted changes all done by the JW's all Christian bibles are interpreted different from the NWT! No bible tells you what books are inspired and what are not inspired... Until the Holy Catholic Church decided the truly inspired books no one could be sure what was inspired by God and what was a phony text! The Pope closed the Canon (list of books) in 400 A.D.! It was the AUTHORITY of the Holy Catholic Church in the 4th century that decided!
Deeje Toss your bible out your stinking window because the bible was made.. In your words.. "From the second century onward, there was a steady departure from Christ's teachings."
If the bible was made by "men that departed from Christ's teaching" then your bible is corrupted how can you be sure it is the true inspired words of God!?! The bible was made in 400 A.D.!
Until the bible was put together no one knew what was truly inspired!
ALSO... Until the seventeenth century there were NO Bibles of any great number they were costly works of art! Until the printing press it was the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church that taught Jesus and salvation to the world! The Catholic Church PREACHED Jesus and salvation for the first seventeen hundred years... So much for the idea of The the Christians failed in the second century!!

Second.. Your words.. Since the apostles noted that teachers from within the church would corrupt it, (2 Peter 2:1) do you notice that all your references were written after the close of the first century?
I reply. . Yes teachers from WITHIN thus it can only be the Holy Catholic Church that is the "WAY OF TRUTH"!

2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

Arius a a CATHOLIC was AMONG Catholics, he was removed as a False teacher, a Heretic! Arius rejected the Teaching of "Jesus is God" just as you a JW! Christians teach the Trinity is the truth Christians teach "Jesus is God"! Arius was removed from "The way of Truth!"

Rather than you avoiding Deeje's logical questions, I would really appreciate hearing your logical answers to them. My step mother is Catholic, and she too seems unable to answer such basic questions regarding her faith.

2) If Jesus was God, then after his baptism, why did God need to send Angels to 'minister' to Jesus?.....seriously....do angels need to protect God? (Mark 1:13)

3) How is it possible for the son to have a different will to another equal part of himself? Jesus prayed for his God to "remove this cup" (dying as a blasphemer) but then said that God's will be done, rather than his own. (Matthew 26:39)

4) How is it possible that God knows things that the son does not? (Matthew 24:36)



Who was Constantine? This Roman emperor never became a baptized Christian until the day of his death....that means that the person responsible for the institution of the Roman Catholic Church and many of her doctrines, was not even a Christian. How is it possible that the man who influenced Catholicism more than any other, was a pagan worshipper of Zeus? It is reported that Constantine sacrifed to Zeus on the day of his death as well as getting baptized as a "Christian"....an each way bit of 'spiritual insurance', perhaps?

Can I ask you why a church that has Jewish roots should suddenly be identified with pagan Rome?...and not only that, but that it should manifest many of the (renamed) beliefs and practices of the pagan Roman Empire?
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Constantine I, byname Constantine the Great, Latin in full Flavius Valerius Constantinus, (born February 27, after 280 CE?, Naissus, Moesia [now Niš, Serbia]—died May 22, 337, Ancyrona, near Nicomedia, Bithynia [now İzmit, Turkey]), the first Roman emperor to profess Christianity.

Constantine was only an Emperor, he was not the Church.
Apollo | Facts, Symbols, & Myths

The theme Zeus as Father of the son is very similar to biblical ideals and it owns a similar name to Jesus.

In theosophy the letter Z represents a value of 2000 as the End. Hence if he gained a vision, then it inferred he personally was reminded spiritually of the end.

The 311 Revelation time date of Jesus died 33 AD to I come swiftly regards the Saviour asteroid stone, slow release of gases, changed and disintegrated, why life was sacrificed cell attacked again in the Year 311 AD. Changes therefore occurred.

Replaced Galerius

In 311 he grudgingly accepted Galerius’s edict of toleration for Christians but still endeavoured to organize and revitalize paganism. Cities and provinces were encouraged to petition for expulsion of Christians from their territories, and the Acts of Pilate, an anti-Christian forgery, was taught in the schools. In the autumn of 312 Maximinus relaxed his persecutions somewhat, and shortly before his death in 313 he granted full toleration and the restoration of the confiscated church property.

History in the Church was the basis of acceptance of the Jesus Christ Revelations that own a statement of its owned documented END. Never given G O D a name again.

Which means that no man is God. So title inference to G O D was not accepted, the very reason why. For occult is the history of Satanic radiation belief in the spirit/gases and how to force mass to convert.

The Jesus Christ Revelations stated never change the O one body mass ever again as the first God body STONE, the Father concept. And hence if you do not change the Father, then you would not gain a sacrificed male life/son.

VISION is involved, the gain and reason for it.

Why Zeus was the Father of Apollo, and Apollo meant Temple science reasoning.
Zeus is not a pre history preaching of the Jehovah.

John 16 | ICB Bible | YouVersion

The history destruction of the Temple was due to scientific reasons.

Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" 14 And they said, "Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets." 15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17 And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven." 20 Then He warned the disciples that they should tell no one that He was the Christ. 21 From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day. 22 Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, "God forbid it, Lord! This shall never happen to You." 23 But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's." 24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. 25 For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

The Temple in Jerusalem was taken down by order Rome.

What is the importance or value of a church building? | GotQuestions.org

History technology and science was a communal shared and used ancient agreement, the same as technology is today.

If anyone looks back to past life human reason for life sacrificed, occult science owns the causes and reasons. Does that make anyone using that Temple science some authority above and over anyone else. Or were you all wrong?

The argument if any of you cared to study theosophy and the ancients was about whose Temple was to blame, as if the scientist or High Priest using the application had done something wrong.

Acts 23:11 11The following night the LORD stood near Paul and said, "Take courage! As you have testified about me in Jerusalem, so you must also testify in Rome."
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
The idea of the Trinity hadn't even seeped into the various sects, of which there were many, when Constantine accepted the Catholic Church as the religion of the Empire. In fact at Nicaea none of the bishops assembled promoted the Trinity. They were just deciding the nature of Jesus. If the Trinity included the holy spirit, you certainly would have expecting that they would have included it then.

It wasn't until decades later after Constantine had died (and that unbaptized pagan is the one that declared Jesus was God) that Emperor Theodosius convened the Council of Constantinople in 381 C. E. that put the holy spirit on the same standing of God and Jesus Christ. This was 56 years after the Council of Nicaea held in 325 C. E.

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To the post above yours about the NWT:

Many scholars have upheld the NWT as one of the most accurate of translations available. And Jehovah's Witnesses do not just use the NWT. In fact before 1950 the most common translation in English the JWs used was the KJV. I have a KJV printed by the Watchtower Society on my bookshelf. And Jehovah's Witnesses have printed and/or used dozens of other Bible translations:

As for Bible Canon:

17 The Roman Catholic Church claims responsibility for the decision as to which books should be included in the Bible canon, and reference is made to the Council of Carthage (397 C.E.), where a catalog of books was formulated. The opposite is true, however, because the canon, including the list of books making up the Christian Greek Scriptures, was already settled by then, that is, not by the decree of any council, but by the direction of God’s holy spirit—the same spirit that inspired the writing of those books in the first place. The testimony of later noninspired catalogers is valuable only as an acknowledgment of the Bible canon, which God’s spirit had authorized.

18 The Evidence of Early Catalogs. A glance at the accompanying chart reveals that a number of fourth-century catalogs of the Christian Scriptures, dated prior to the above-mentioned council, agree exactly with our present canon, and some others omit only Revelation. Before the end of the second century, there is universal acceptance of the four Gospels, Acts, and 12 of the apostle Paul’s letters. Only a few of the smaller writings were doubted in certain areas. Likely this was so because such writings were limited in their initial circulation for one reason or another and thus took longer to become accepted as canonical.



23 It was not until critics like Marcion came along in the middle of the second century C.E. that an issue arose as to which books Christians should accept. Marcion constructed his own canon to suit his doctrines, taking only certain of the apostle Paul’s letters and an expurgated form of the Gospel of Luke. This, together with the mass of apocryphal literature by then spreading throughout the world, was what led to statements by catalogers as to which books they accepted as canonical.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101990131#h=51

Eyes to See Good to meet you.... I reply You are wrong or purposely twisted history! Christians believe Jesus is God! The doctrine of the Trinity is central to the uniqueness of Christianity. It holds that the Bible teaches that "God eternally exists as three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and each person is fully God, and there is one God."
The Council of Nicaea closed with a CREED in the creed it stats "Three persons one God!" The Church has AUTHORITY given to her by Jesus in person! "What you bind on earth is bound in heaven!"
Eyes to See "He who hears you hears me, he who rejects you rejects me"! FACT: Jesus founded the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church none others certainly not the JW's they are "Johnny come lately", started by a man; Russell! Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his Holy Catholic Church the scriptures have to be rejected to say differently!
Eyes to See QUESTION: Do you reject the Catholic Church?! Is Jesus ALWAYS with her? What does your NWT tell you!? IF....
Eyes to See
if Jesus is always with for 2000 years with his bride can he be with the watch tower?!
The Didache 70 A.D.
After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. . . . If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (Didache 7:1 [A.D. 70]).

Ignatius of Antioch 110 A.D.
“[T]o the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God” (Letter to the Ephesians 1 [A.D. 110]).
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“For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God’s plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit”
(ibid., 18:2).

Eyes to See did you note the date? 110 A.D.

Justin Martyr 151 A.D.
We will prove that we worship him reasonably; for we have learned that he is the Son of the true God himself, that he holds a second place, and the Spirit of prophecy a third. For this they accuse us of madness, saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are ignorant of the mystery which lies therein” (First Apology 13:5–6 [A.D. 151]).

Your words... Many scholars have upheld the NWT as one of the most accurate of translations available.
I reply.. No bible scholars say the NWT is reliable... NONE have said it; except members of the JWs!
FACTS about the NWT.. The 1950, 1961, and 1970 editions of the NWT said that Jesus was to be worshipped (Heb. 1:6), but the WTS changed the NWT so that later editions would support its doctrines. The translators now decided to render the Greek word for “worship” (proskuneo) as “do obeisance” every time it is applied to Jesus, but as “worship” when modifying Jehovah. If the translators were consistent, then Jesus would be given the worship due to God in Matthew 14:33, 28:9, 28:17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38; and Hebrews 1:6.

At the time of the Last Supper, there were over three dozen Aramaic words to say “this means,” “represents,” or “signifies,” but Jesus used none of them in his statement, “This is my body.” Since the WTS denies the Catholic teaching on the Eucharist, they have taken the liberty to change our Lord’s words to “This means my body” in Matthew 26:26.

The NWT also translates the Greek word kurios (“Lord”) as “Jehovah” dozens of times in the NT, despite the fact that the word “Jehovah” is never used by any NT author. It should also be asked why the NWT does not translate kurios as “Jehovah” in Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 12:3, Philippians 2:11, 2 Thessalonians 2:1, and Revelation 22:21. If it did translate kyrios consistently, then Jesus would be Jehovah!
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Another lovely sentiment from yet another kind of Christian.
So far this week I've read that folks 'not in the same church' as the writers have been 'swine', 'dogs', 'satan's children', and now 'suckers'.

I once believed that nearly all of Christianity was about love, but some of you folks have battered that idea to pieces quite thoroughly. :)

And what Church do you belong to, may we all know?
Please do tell.....

I believe if you are speaking of yours truly then you are quite in error. Love is not acceptance of deceit. deceit is the devil's ploy and the opposite of love. I will grant that JW's are brain dead and believe the nonsense so it does not seem like deceit to them.

I believe you are a laugh a minute. Do you think God belongs to a church or does the church belong to God? However despite that I had an occasion to become a member of a Congregational Church so that certain ill willed people could not vote out the pastor who was a godly man. That is not the church that God has me in now. I am presently in a Southern Baptist Convention church.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I believe if you are speaking of yours truly then you are quite in error. Love is not acceptance of deceit. deceit is the devil's ploy and the opposite of love. I will grant that JW's are brain dead and believe the nonsense so it does not seem like deceit to them.
I've never noticed too much love issuing from the extreme Christian Churches.
They are more in to the returning Jesus with sword flicking from mouth and the other stuff that Apostle John wrote about.
Or public executions for their cherry-picked offences.
.....and you talk about brain dead...... how about heart dead, eh?



I believe you are a laugh a minute. Do you think God belongs to a church or does the church belong to God? However despite that I had an occasion to become a member of a Congregational Church so that certain ill willed people could not vote out the pastor who was a godly man. That is not the church that God has me in now. I am presently in a Southern Baptist Convention church.
I'm glad to read that I fill your heart with merriment.

Right..... thankyou for telling me about the Southern Baptist Convention Church. I need to read about it.

EDIT:!! I'm back. I'm most impressed to read that you belong to a church which supports the BLM movement and grieves over the death of George Floyd. Yes........ I like that.
 
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