The Jehovah's witnesses and the rest. What's the stumper?

[Dogknox20]

Bible Scholars have praised the NWT for its accurate trasmission of Scripture into modern language. For example Edgar Goodspeed wrote to one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in regard to the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures: “I am interested in the mission work of your people, and its worldwide scope, and am much pleased with the free and vigorous translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound serious learning, as I can testify.”

Hebrew and Greek scholar A. Thompson of Britain, writing in The Differentiator, stated regarding a portion of the New World Translation of the Hebrew Scriptures: “I would recommend it as an honest and straightforward effort to render Holy Writ into modern English. No attempt appears to be made to press any special doctrines or theories.”
Eerdman’s Handbook to the Bible lists the New World Translation among the 14 “main 20th-century English translations.”

Over 120 languages
Source:
https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-a/divine-name-christian-greek-scriptures/

Eyes to See (I had to erase some of your post it had too many words) your list means nothing.. FACT: well over thirty Christian bible translations in use NOT ONE uses "a god" in John 1:1 what does this tell you??

In Reasoning from the Scriptures the WTS teaches that “Jehovah” is the proper pronunciation of God’s name, and so “Everyone who calls on the name of [Jehovah] will be saved” (Rom. 10:13). They continue, “Many scholars favor the spelling ‘Yahweh,’ but it is uncertain and there is not agreement among them. On the other hand, ‘Jehovah’ is the form of the name that is most readily recognized, because it has been used in English for centuries” (p. 195).
However, the JWs’ own Aid to Bible Understanding says, “The first recorded use of this form [Jehovah] dates from the 13th century C.E. [after Christ]. . . . Hebrew scholars generally favor ‘Yahweh’ as the most likely pronunciation” (pp. 884-885).

FACT: New Testament Greek always uses the word “Lord,” and never “Jehovah,” even in quotes from the Old Testament (OT). Encyclopedia Judaica, Webster’s Encyclopedia, Jewish Encyclopedia,Encyclopedia Britannica, Universal Jewish Encyclopedia and countless others agree that the title “Jehovah” is erroneous and was never used by the Jews.
More FACTS I stumbled across....
The WTS claims Jesus is actually Michael the Archangel. This idea was unheard of before Charles Taze Russell, but the Bible explicitly rejects the possibility of it.
“To which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my son? . . . Let all the angels of God worship him. . . . to which of the angels has he ever said ‘Sit at my right hand . . . ’” (Heb. 1).
Hebrews separates Jesus from angels, and commands the angels to worship him (cf. Rev. 5:13-14,14:6-7). The obvious problem is this: archangels are creatures, but the Bible forbids any creature to worship another creature. Thus, either the Bible is in error by commanding the angels to worship an archangel, or Jesus is uncreated and cannot be an archangel. Since this gave the JWs a tremendous problem, they even had to change their own Bible translation, (NWT), to eliminate the references to worshipping Christ.

Eyes to See Your NWT is corrupted “And the word was a god.” Contradicting passages such as Deuteronomy 32:39, which says, “I alone, am God and there are no gods together with me.” Further contradictions can be seen in Exodus 20:3, “Have no other gods besides me,” and Isaiah 43:10, “Before me no god was formed nor shall there be any after me.”

In John 20:28 Thomas says to Jesus, “My Lord and my God.” In the original Greek it literally reads, “The Lord of me and the God of me.” It would be nothing short of blasphemy for Jesus not to rebuke Thomas if he was wrong. Jesus instead accepts Thomas’s profession of his identity as God.
FACT IS: Jesus tells Thomas; CHRISTIANS will be BLESSED!
Jesus said, “Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.”
Eyes to See Do you believe as Thomas did?!
Christians have always believed Jesus is God! Thomas is a good example!

 

[Dogknox20]

It was not the Bible that was corrupted Dogknox...it was the interpretation....do you understand the implications? This is exactly what happened in Judaism. The word of God was not enough.....religious leaders among men had to tell their charges how it was meant to be read, but their interpretation voided everything God had taught them through Moses, their appointed mediator.

By misinterpreting scripture, the Catholic church ended up teaching things that Jesus never taught......a trinity....adoration of Mary...her immaculate conception...her role as mediatrix....purgatory...limbo....infant baptism....indulgences....forbidding the eating of meat on Fridays...the identification of saints....forbidding its priests to marry....vows of silence....a monastic life for a cloistered priesthood or nuns......nothing like any of those things is taught in Christian scripture.

They adopted forms of idolatry....prayers to so called 'saints'....the use of rosary beads....repetitive prayers, confessionals...chanting and liturgy all of which was absent from first century Christian practices. You seem to have no idea what the first Christians believed.....or how far your church has strayed from Christ's teachings. Catholicism was not the first "Christianity"....it was a disgusting fake.....the 'weeds' of Jesus parable. Nothing that the Catholic church believes and promotes is even remotely 'Christian'. All of its teachings and practices can be traced back to Babylon.

Sorry, but you only have to look at the history of your church to see that Christ would never have set foot in that cruel, bloodguilty institution.
Please present some of those 'corrupted changes' and we can discuss them if you are game....please don't make accusations that you can't substantiate.
The Catholic church calling any others 'heretics' is just completely laughable....its the pot calling the kettle black. The biggest heretics were the biggest finger pointers IMO.

Deeje I reply... Jesus gave his authority to TEACH ALL NATIONS to his One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church! "Those who accept you accept me, those who reject you reject me"! QUESTION: Do you accept the Catholic Church?! Remember before you answer; Russell started your church it was NOT Jesus, clearly Russell rejected Jesus!
20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Deeje Do you believe the words of Jesus? NO you can't! All non Catholics MUST reject the scriptures or change the scriptures to say what they want God to say as the NWT does!"
"I AM" a name for God!

 

[Dogknox20]

I believe if you are speaking of yours truly then you are quite in error. Love is not acceptance of deceit. deceit is the devil's ploy and the opposite of love. I will grant that JW's are brain dead and believe the nonsense so it does not seem like deceit to them.

I believe you are a laugh a minute. Do you think God belongs to a church or does the church belong to God? However despite that I had an occasion to become a member of a Congregational Church so that certain ill willed people could not vote out the pastor who was a godly man. That is not the church that God has me in now. I am presently in a Southern Baptist Convention church.

Southern Baptist Convention having been organized in 1845 at Augusta, Georgia, by Baptists in the Southern United States who split with northern Baptists over the issue of slavery, with Southern Baptists strongly opposed to its abolition.
Jesus did not form the Southern Baptist church!
Muffled I hope all is well.... I reply.. To be in protest you MUST reject the scriptures! Jesus did not start the Southern Baptist Convention he did NOT start the tradition of "Saved by Scriptures ALONE" Martin Luther did that! If you accepted all the scriptures you would be Catholic!
The Great Commission
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Clearly (above verse) Jesus sent his Church to teach ALL Nations! Clearly Jesus did not abandon his Church ..I am with you always, There was no bible for the first 400 years, there were many letters and manuscripts kicking around, many were erroneous, it was the One and ONLY Holy Catholic Church with the help of the Holy Spirit that decided the truly inspired works from the phony ones! Toss you bible out of your stinking bathroom window if you reject the Catholic Church otherwise how do you trust your bible is not in error! You MUST trust she got it right!
As mentioned above.. To be protestant you MUST reject God' word... ..I am with you always Jesus' Church was built on rock it will never fall!

 

[cataway]

The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church has the AUTHORITY to teach all nations given her in person by Jesus! Jesus promised his Holy church to be ALWAYS with her to the very end of the world!

Her , yeah that rang a bell .
To the extent that she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For in her heart she keeps saying, ‘I sit a queen, and I am no widow, and I shall never see mourning.’

 

[Dogknox20]

Her , yeah that rang a bell .
To the extent that she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For in her heart she keeps saying, ‘I sit a queen, and I am no widow, and I shall never see mourning.’

cataway... Hello once again... You quote scriptures as it they are written to you! FACT: The bible is a book of the Catholic Church she made it! "He who hears you hears me, he who rejects you rejects me"!
cataway.. "Listen to the Church or be treated as a Pagan"! A pagan is someone outside of God' family! QUESTION: Do you listen or do you reject her!? The ONLY Church Jesus formed is the One Holy Catholic Apostolic church!

 

[cataway]

cataway... Hello once again... You quote scriptures as it they are written to you! FACT: The bible is a book of the Catholic Church she made it! "He who hears you hears me, he who rejects you rejects me"!
cataway.. "Listen to the Church or be treated as a Pagan"! A pagan is someone outside of God' family! QUESTION: Do you listen or do you reject her!? The ONLY Church Jesus formed is the One Holy Catholic Apostolic church!

and the next verse says .
8" That is why in one day her plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because Jehovah God, who judged her, is strong."

yet before that it say's
4 "And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues. "

ya might note ,its not a good outlook for people of false religion .in the Catholic Church there a number of long held beliefs that are of pagan origin. such things makes the people of said church dirty ,regardless of what was done in the past.

 

[Dogknox20]

and the next verse says .
8" That is why in one day her plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because Jehovah God, who judged her, is strong."

yet before that it say's
4 "And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues. "

ya might note ,its not a good outlook for people of false religion .in the Catholic Church there a number of long held beliefs that are of pagan origin. such things makes the people of said church dirty ,regardless of what was done in the past.

cataway I have pointed out before... Jesus is ALWAYS with his bride his Holy Body "ALWAYS WITH to the very end of time"! Jesus formed his church 2000 years ago on ROCK not on sand, it will never fail! To be a JW you must reject or twist the scriptures! You think Babylon is the Body of Jesus, you must not think to highly of the wonders of God!
God would never let his work fail.. NEVER! As if somehow Satan has overpowered Jesus and Satan took Jesus' body from him?! To believe this you again MUST reject the scriptures!
From out of the Church will come heretics people like Luther or Arius! These spawn of Arius these spawn of Satan will burn forever, as the scriptures tell you! The Apostles sit on thrones to judge Angels! The Holy Catholic Church is Apostolic roots going back to the Apostles...
1. St Peter; martyr; 42-67

2. St Linus, of Tuscia (Volterra?); martyr; 67-78

3. St Anacletus I, of Rome; martyr; 78-90 (?)

4. St Clement I, of the Roman Flavian gens; martyr; 90-99 (?)

5. St Evaristus, of Greece (or of Bethlehem); martyr; 99-105 (?)

6. St Alexander I, of Rome; martyr; 105-115 (?)

7. St Sixtus I, of Rome; martyr; 115-125 (?)

8. St Telesphorus, of Greece; martyr; 125-136 (?)

9. St Iginus, of Greece; martyr; 136-140 (?)

10. St Pius I, of Italy; martyr; 140-155 (?)

11. St Anicetus, of Syria; martyr; 155-166 (?)

12. St Soter, of Campania (Fundi?);martyr; 166-175 (?)

13. St Eleutherus, of Epirus(Nicopolis?); martyr; 175-189

14. St Victor I, of Africa; martyr; 189-199

15. St Zephyrinus, of Rome; martyr; 199-217

16. St Calixtus, of Rome; martyr; 217-222

[Hippolytus, 217-235]

17. St Urban I, of Rome; martyr; 222-230

18. St Pontianus, of Rome; martyr; 21 July 230-28 Sept 235

19. St Anterus, of Greece; martyr; 21 Nov 235-3 Jan 236

20. St Fabian, of Rome; martyr; 10 Jan 236-20 Jan 250

21. St Cornelius, of Rome; martyr; March 251-June 253

[Novatian, 251-258]

22. St Lucius I, of Rome; martyr; 25 June 253-5 March 254

23. St Stephen I, of Rome; martyr; 12 May 254-2 Aug 257

24. St Sixtus II, of Greece (?); martyr; 30 Aug 257-6 Aug 258

25. St Dionysius, of Magna Graecia (?); martyr; 22 July 259-26 Dec 268

26. St Felix I, of Rome; martyr; 5 Jan 269-30 Dec 274

27. St Eutychianus, of Luni; martyr; 4 Jan 275-7 Dec 283

28. St Gaius, of Dalmatia (Salona?); martyr; 17 Dec 283-22 April 296

29. St Marcellinus, of Rome; martyr; 30 June 296-25 Oct 304

30. St Marcellus I, of Rome; martyr; 27 May 308-16 Jan 309

31. St Eusebius, of Greece; martyr; 18 April 309-17 Aug 309 or 310

32. St Melchiades or Miltiades, of Africa; martyr; 2 July 311-11 Jan 314

33. St Sylvester I, of Rome; 31 Jan 314-31 Dec 335

34. St Mark, of Rome; 18 Jan 336-7 Oct 336

35. St Julius I, of Rome; 6 Feb 337-12 April 352

36. Liberius, of Rome; 17 May 352-22 Sept 366

[St Felix II, 355-22 Nov 365]

37. St Damasus I, of Spain; 1 Oct 366-11 Dec 384

[Ursinus, 366-367]

38. St Siricius, of Rome; 15 Dec 384-26 Nov 399

39. St Anastasius I, of Rome; 27 Nov 399-19 Dec 401

40. St Innocent I, of Albano; 22 Dec 401-12 March 417

41. St Zosimus, of Greece; 18 March 417-26 Dec 418

42. St Boniface I, of Rome; 29 Dec 418-4 Sept 422

[Eulalius, 27 Dec 418-3 April 419]

43. St Caelestinus I, of Campania; 10 Sept 422-27 July 432

44. St Sixtus III, of Rome; 3 July (?) 432-19 Aug 440

45. St Leo I the Great, of Tusculum; 29 Sept 440-10 Nov 461

46. St Hilarius, of Sardinia; 19 Nov 461-29 Feb 468

47. St Simplicius, of Tivoli; 3 March 468-10 March 483

48. St Felix III (II), of Rome, of the gens Anicia; 13 March 483-1 March 492

49. St Gelasius I, of Africa; 1 March 492-21 Nov 496

50. St Anastasius II, of Rome; 24 Nov 496-19 Nov 498

51. St Symmachus, of Sardinia; 22 Nov 498-19 July 514

[Laurentius, Nov 498-505]

52. St Hormisdas, of Frosinone; 20 July 514-6 Aug 523

53. St John I, of Tusculum; martyr; 13 Aug 523-18 May 526. Died at Ravenna

54. St Felix IV (III), of Samnium (Benevento?); 12 July 526-22 Sept 530

55. Boniface II, of Rome; 22 Sept 530-7 Oct 532

[Dioscurus, 22 Sept 530-14 Oct 530]

56. John II, of Rome; 2 Jan 533-8 May 535

57. St Agapitus I, of Rome; 13 May 535-22 April 536. Died at Constantinople

58. St Silverius, of Frosinone; martyr; 8 June 536-deposed 11 March 537. Died in exile on the island of Ponza 538 (?)

59. Vigilius, of Rome; June 538 (?)-7 June 555 (but elected 29 March 537). Died at Syracuse

60. Pelagius I, of Rome; 16 April 556-4 March 561

61. John III, of Rome; 17 July 561-13 July 574

62. Benedict I, of Rome; 2 June 575-30 July 579

63. Pelagius II, of Rome; 26 Nov 579-7 Feb 590

64. St Gregory I the Great, of Rome, of the gens Anicia; 3 Sept 590-13 March 604

65. Sabinianus, of Tusculum; 13 Sept 604-22 Feb 606

66. Boniface III, of Rome; 19 Feb 607-12 Nov 607

67. St Boniface IV, of Valeria de' Marsi; 25 Aug 608-8 May 615

68. St Deusdedit I, of Rome; 19 Oct 615-8 Nov 618

69. Boniface V, of Naples; 23 Dec 619-25 Oct 625

70. Honorius I, of Campania; 27 Oct 625-12 Oct 638

71. Severinus, of Rome; 28 May 640-2 Aug 640

72. John IV, of Dalmatia; 24 Dec 640-12 Oct 642

73. Theodore I, of Jerusalem (? Or Greece); 24 Nov 642-14 May 649

74. St Martin I, of Todi; martyr; 21 July 649-exiled 18 June 653-16 Sept 655. Died at Sebastopol

75. St Eugenius I, of Rome; 16 Sept 655-2 June 657

76. St Vitalian, of Segni; 30 July 657-27 Jan 672

77. Deusdedit II, of Rome; 11 April 672-17 June 676

78. Donus, of Rome; 2 Nov 676-11 April 678

79. St Agatho, of Sicily; 27 June 678-10 Jan 681

80. St Leo II, of Sicily; 17 Aug 682-3 July 683

81. St Benedict II, of Rome; 26 June 684-8 May 685

82. John V, of Antioch; 23 July 685-2 Aug 686

83. Conon, of Thrace; 21 Oct 686-21 Sept 687

[Theodore, 22 Sept 687-Oct 687]

[Paschal, 687]

84. St Sergius I, of Palermo; 15 Dec 687-8 Sept 701

85. John VI, of Greece; 30 Oct 701-11 Jan 705

86. John VII, of Greece; 1 March 705-18 Oct 707

87. Sisinnius, of Syria; 15 Jan 708-4 Feb 708

88. Constantine, of Syria; 25 March 708-9 April 715

89. St Gregory II, of Rome; 19 May 715-11 Feb 731

90. St Gregory III, of Syria; 18 March 731-10 Dec 741

91. St Zacharias, of Greece; 10 Dec 741-22 March 752

92. Stephen II, of Rome; 23 March 752-25 March 752

93. St Stephen III, of Rome; 26 March 752-26 April 757

94. St Paul I, of Rome; 29 May 757- 28 June 767

[Constantine II, 5 July 767-murdered 769]

[Philip, elected 31 July 768-abdicated 768]

95. Stephen IV, of Sicily; 7 Aug 768-3 Feb 772

96. Hadrian I, of Rome; 9 Feb 772-26 Dec 795

97. St Leo III, of Rome; 27 Dec 795-12 June 816

98. St Stephen V, of Rome; 22 June 816-14 Jan 817

99. St Paschal I, of Rome; 25 Jan 817-11 Feb 824

100. Eugenius II, of Rome; 21 Feb 824-27 Aug 827

101. Valentine, of Rome; Aug (?) 827- Sept (?) 827

102. Gregory IV, of Rome; Oct 827-25 Jan 844

103. Sergius II, of Rome; Jan 844-27 Jan 847

[John, 844]

104. St Leo IV, of Rome; 10 April 847-17 July 855

105. St Benedict III, of Rome; 6 Oct 855-17 April 858

[Anastasius, 29 Sept 855-20 Oct 855]

106. St Nicholas I the Great, of Rome; 24 April 858-13 Nov 867

107. Hadrian II, of Rome; 14 Dec 867-14 Dec 872

108. John VIII, of Rome, 14 Dec 872-16 Dec 882

109. Marinus I (Martin II) of Gallesium; 16 Dec 882-15 May 884

110. St Hadrian III, of Rome; 17 May 884-17 Sept 885

111. Stephen VI, of Rome; Sept 885-Sept 891

112. Formosus, bishop of Porto; 6 Oct 891-4 April 896

113. Boniface VI, of Gallesium; April 896

114. Stephen VII, of Rome; May 896-Aug 897. Strangled in prison

115. Romanus, of Gallesium; Aug 897-end of Nov 897

116. Theodore II, of Rome; Dec 897

117. John IX, of Tivoli; Jan 898-Jan 900

118. Benedict IV, of Rome; Jan 900-end July 903

119. Leo V, of Ardea; end of July 903-Sept 903. Deposed and imprisoned

[Christopher, of Rome; 903, deposed in Jan 904]

120. Sergius III, of Rome; 29 Jan 904-14 April 911

121. Anastasius III, of Rome; April 911-June 913

122. Lando, of Sabina; end of July 913-Feb 914

123. John X, of Ravenna; March 914-May 928. Strangled in prison

124. Leo VI, of Rome; May 928-Dec 928

125. Stephen VIII, of Rome; Jan 929-Feb 931

126. John XI, of Rome; son of Pope Sergius III and Marozia; March 931-Dec 935. Died in prison

127. Leo VII; 3 (?) Jan 936-13 (?) July 939

128. Stephen IX, of Germany (?); 14 (?) July 939-end of Oct 942

129. Marinus II (Martin III), of Rome; 30 (?) Oct 942-May 946

130. Agapitus II, of Rome; 10 May 946-Dec 955

131. John XII, Ottaviano, of the family of the Counts of Tusculum, aged 19; 16 (?) Dec 955-deposed 14th May 964

132. Leo VIII, of Rome, 4 Nov 963-1 March 965

133. Benedict V, Grammatico, of Rome; 22 (?) May 964-expelled from the pontifical see 23 June 964; died at Bremen 4 July 966

134. John XIII, of Rome; 1 Oct 965-5 Sept 972

135. Benedict VI, of Rome; 19 Jan 973-June 974. Strangled in prison

[Boniface VII, Francone, of Rome; June-July 974 for the first time]

136. Benedict VII, of the family of the Counts of Tusculum, of Rome; Oct 974-10 July 983

137. John XIV, of Pavia; Dec 983-20 Aug 984; killed by Francone (Boniface VII)

[Boniface VII, Francone; for the second time, Aug 984-murdered July 985]

138. John XV, of Rome; Aug 985-March 996

139. Gregory V, Bruno, of the family of the Counts of Carinthia; 3 May 996-18 Feb 999

[John XVI, John Philagathus, of Greece; March 997-Feb 998]

140. Sylvester II, Gerbert of Aurillac, Auvergne; 2 April 999-12 May 1003

 

[Dogknox20]

141. John XVII, Sicco, of Rome; June (?) 1003-6 Nov 1003

142. John XVIII, of Rapagnano; Jan (?) 1004-July (?) 1009

143. Sergius IV, of Rome; 31 July 1009-12 May 1012

144. Benedict VIII, John, of the family of the Counts of Tusculum, of Rome; 18 May 1012-9 April 1024

[Gregory, 1012]

145. John XIX, of Rome, brother of Benedict VIII; April 1024-1032

146. Benedict IX, Theophylact, of the family of the Counts of Tusculum; elected (aged 15) for the first time in 1032-deposed in Dec 1044; elected for the second time 10 March 1045-deposed 1 May 1045; elected for the third time 8 Nov 1047- deposed 17 July 1048 Source Blue Guide Rome 10

147. Sylvester III, John, bishop of Sabina; 20 Jan 1045-deposed 11 March 1045

148. Gregory VI, Gratian, of Rome; 5 May 1045-banished 20 Dec 1046; died 1047

149. Clement II, Suidger, bishop of Bamberg; 25 Dec 1046-died at Pesaro 9 Oct 1047

150. Damasus II, Poppo, bishop of Bressanone, of Bavaria; 17 July 1048-9 Aug 1048. Died at Palestrina

151. St Leo IX, Bruno, of Germany, bishop of Toul; 12 Feb 1049-19 April 1054

152. Victor II, Gebhard, of Germany, bishop of Eichstätt; 16 April 1055-28 July 1057. Died at Arezzo

153. Stephen X, Frédéric, of the family of the Dukes of Lorraine; 3 Aug 1057-29 March 1058

[Benedict X, of Rome; 5 April 1058-deposed 24 Jan 1059]

154. Nicholas II, Gérard de Bourgogne; 24 Jan 1059-27 (?) July 1061

155. Alexander II, Anselmo of Milan; 30 Sept 1061-21 April 1073

[Honorius II, appointed by Imperial Diet of Basle 1061-1072]

156. St Gregory VII, Hildebrand di Bonizio Aldobrandeschi, of Sovana; 22 April 1073-25 May 1085

[Clement III, Ghiberto; 25 Jan 1080-Sept 1100]

157. Bl. Victor III, Desiderio Epifani, of Benevento; elected 24 May 1086, consecrated 9 May 1087-16Sept 1087

158. Bl. Urban II, of Reims; 12 March 1088-29 July 1099

159. Paschal II, Rainiero, of Breda; 14 Aug 1099-21 Jan 1118

[Theodoric, Sept-Dec 1100]

[Albert, Feb-March 1102]

[Sylvester IV, 18 Nov 1105-12 April 1111]

160. Gelasius II, Giovanni Caetani, of Gaeta; 24 Jan 1118-28 Jan 1119

[Gregory VIII, Maurice Bourdain, of Limoges, 8 March 1118-deposed April 1121]

161. Calixtus II, Guy de Bourgogne, of Quingey; 2 Feb 1119-13 Dec 1124

162. Honorius II, Lamberto Scannabecchi, of Fanano (Modena); 15 Dec 1124-13 Feb 1130

163. Innocent II, Gregorio Papareschi, of Trastevere; 14 Feb 1130-24 Sept 1143

[Anacletus II, Pierleone, a converted Jew; 14 Feb 1130-25 Jan 1138]

[Victor IV, Gregorio da Monticelli, elected 15 March 1138, abdicated 29 May 1138]

164. Celestine II, Guido, of Città di Castello; 26 Sept 1143-8 March 1144

165. Lucius II, Gerardo Caccianemici dell'Orso, of Bologna; 12 March 1144-15 Feb 1145

166. Bl. Eugenius III, Bernardo Paganelli, of Montemagno (Pisa); 15 Feb 1145-8 July 1153

167. Anastasius IV, Corrado, of the Suburra, Rome; 12 July 1153-3 Dec 1154

168. Hadrian IV, Nicholas Breakspear, of Abbot's Langley (Hertfordshire, England); 4 Dec 1154-1 Sept 1159. Died at Anagni

169. Alexander III, Rolando Bandinelli, of Siena; 7 Sept 1159-30 Aug 1181. Died at Civita Castellana

[Victor IV (V), Ottaviano; 7 Oct 1159-20 April 1164]

[Paschal III, Guido da Crema; 22 April 1164-20 Sept 1168]

[Calixtus III, John of Strumio, a Hungarian, Sept 1168, abdicated 29 Aug 1178]

[Innocent III, Lando Frangipane of Sezze, elected 29 Sept 1179, deposed in Jan 1180]

170. Lucius III, Ubaldo Allucingoli, of Lucca; 1 Sept 1181-25 Nov 1185. Died in exile at Verona

171. Urban III, Uberto Crivelli, of Milan; 25 Nov 1185-20 Oct 1187. Died at Ferrara

172. Gregory VIII, Alberto di Morra, of Benevento; 21 Oct 1187-17 Dec 1187

173. Clement III, Paolino Scolare, of Rome; 19 Dec 1187-Mar 1191

174. Celestine III, Giacinto Bobone Orsini, of Rome; 30 March 1191-8 Jan 1198

175. Innocent III, Lotario dei Conti di Segni, of Anagni; 8 Jan 1198-16 July 1216. Died at Perugia

176. Honorius III, Cencio Savelli, of Rome; elected in Perugia, 18 July 1216- died at Rome, 18 March 1227

177. Gregory IX, Ugolino dei Conti di Segni, of Anagni; elected at the age of 86; 19 March 1227-22 Aug 1241

178. Celestine IV, Castiglione, of Milan; 25 Oct 1241-10 Nov 1241

179. Innocent IV, Sinibaldo Fieschi of Genoa; 25 June 1243-7 Dec 1254. Died at Naples

180. Alexander IV, Orlando dei Conti di Segni, of Anagni; 12 Dec 1254-25 May 1261. Died at Viterbo

181. Urban IV, Hyacinthe Pantaléon, of Troyes; elected at Viterbo 29 Aug 1261; died at Perugia 2 Oct 1264

182. Clement IV, Gui Foulques Le Gros, of St-Gilles; elected at Viterbo 5 Feb 1265-died at Viterbo 29 Nov 1268

183. Gregory X, Teobaldo Visconti of Piacenza; elected at Viterbo 1 Sept 1271-died at Arezzo 10 Jan 1276

184. Innocent V, Pierre de Champagny, of the Tarentaise; 21 Jan 1276-22 June 1276

185. Hadrian V, Ottobono de' Fieschi, of Genoa; elected at Rome 11 July 1276-18 Aug 1276

186. John XXI, Pedro Juliao, of Lisbon; elected at Viterbo 8 Sept 1276-20 May 1277

187. Nicholas III, Giov. Gaetano Orsini, of Rome; elected at Viterbo 25 Nov 1277-died at Soriano nel Cimino 22 Aug 1280

188. Martin IV, Simon de Brion, of Montpince in Brie; elected at Viterbo 22 Feb 1281-died at Perugia 28 March 1285

189. Honorius IV, Iacopo Savelli, of Rome; elected at Perugia 2 April 1285-3 April 1287

190. Nicholas IV, Girolamo Masci, of Lisciano di Ascoli; 15 Feb 1288-4 April 1292

191. St Celestine V, Pietro Angeleri da Morrone, of Isernia; 5 July 1294-abdicated 13 Dec 1294. Died in the Castello di Fumone near Alatri 19 May 1296

192. Boniface VIII, Benedetto Gaetani, of Anagni; 24 Dec 1294-11 or 12 Oct 1303

193. Bl. Benedict XI, Niccolò Boccasini, of Treviso; 22 Oct 1303-died at Perugia 7 July 1304

194. Clement V, Bertrand de Got, of Villandraut, near Bordeaux; elected at Perugia 5 June 1305-died at Roquemaure 14 April 1314

195. John XXII, Jacques d'Euse, of Cahors; elected at Avignon 7 Aug 1316-died at Avignon 4 Dec 1334

[Nicholas V, Pietro da Corvara, 12 May 1328-30 Aug 1330]

196. Benedict XII, Jacques Fournier, of Saverdun, near Toulouse; 20 Dec 1334-25 April 1342

197. Clement VI, Pierre Roger de Beaufort, of Château Maumont, near Limoges; 7 May 1342-6 Dec 1352

198. Innocent VI, Etienne d'Aubert, of Mont, near Limoges; 18 Dec 1352-12 Sept 1362

199. Urban V, Guillaume de Grimoard, of Grisac, near Mende in Languedoc; 16 Oct 1362-19 Dec 1370

200. Gregory XI, Pierre Roger de Beaufort, nephew of Clement VI, of Château Maumont, near Limoges; elected at Avignon 30 Dec 1370-died at Rome 27 March 1378

201. Urban VI, Bart. Prigano, of Naples; 9 April 1378-15 Oct 1389

202. Boniface IX, Pietro Tomacelli, of Naples; 2 Nov 1389-1 Oct 1404

203. Innocent VII, Cosimo de' Migliorati, of Sulmona; 17 Oct 1404-6 Nov 1406.

204. Gregory XII, Angelo Correr, of Venice; 30 Nov 1406-abdicated 4 June 1415-died at Recanati 17 Oct 1417



Antipopes



Clement VII, Robert of Savoy, of Geneva; elected at Fondi 20 Sept 1378-16 Sept 1394

Benedict XIII, Pedro de Luna, of Aragon; 28 Sept 1394-23 May 1423

Clement VIII, Gil Sánchez Muñoz, of Barcelona; 10 June 1423-16 July 1429

Benedict XIV, Bernard Garnier; 12 Nov 1425-1430 (?)

Alexander V, Pietro Filargis, of Candia; 26 June 1409-3 May 1410

John XXIII, Baldassare Cossa, of Naples; 17 May 1410, deposed 29 May 1415-died at Florence 23 Dec 1419





205. Martin V, Oddone Colonna, of Genazzano; elected (aged 50) at Constance, 11 Nov 1417-20 Feb 1431

206. Eugenius IV, Gabriele Condulmero of Venice; elected (aged 48) 3 March 1431-23 Feb 1447

[Felix V, Amadeus, duke of Savoy; 5 Nov 1439-7 April 1449; died 1451 at the Château de Ripaille on the Lake of Geneva]

207. Nicholas V, Tommaso Parentucelli, of Sarzana; electe (aged 49) 6 March 1447-24 March 1455

208. Calixtus III, Alfonso Borgia, of Xativa, in Spain; elected (aged 78) 8 April 1455-6 Aug 1458

209. Pius II, Aeneas Silvius Piccolomini, of Corsignano (Pienza); elected (aged 53) 19 Aug 1458-15 Aug 1464

210. Paul II, Pietro Barbo, of Venice; elected (aged 48) 30 Aug 1464-26 July 1471

211. Sixtus IV, Fr. della Rovere, of Savona; elected (aged 57) 9 Aug 1471-12 Aug 1484

212. Innocent VIII, G. B. Cibo, of Genoa; elected (aged 52) 29 Aug 1484-25 July 1492

213. Alexander VI, Roderigo Lenzuoli-Borgia, of Valencia, Spain; elected (aged 62) 11 Aug 1492-18 Aug 1503

214. Pius III, Fr. Todeschini Piccolomini, of Siena; elected (aged 64) 22 Sept 1503-18 Oct 1503

215. Julius II, Giuliano della Rovere, of Savona; elected (aged 60) 31 Oct 1503-21 Feb 1513

216. Leo X, Giov. de' Medici, of Florence; elected (aged 38) 9 March 1513-1 Dec 1521

217. Adrian VI, Adrian Florisz. Dedel, of Utrecht; elected (aged 63) 9 Jan 1522-14 Sept 1523

218. Clement VII. Giulio de' Medici, of Florence; elected (aged 45) 19 Nov 1523-25 Sept 1534

219. Paul III, Aless. Farnese, of Camino (Rome) or of Viterbo (?), elected (aged 66) 13 Oct 1534-10 Nov 549

220. Julius III, Giov. Maria Ciocchi del Monte, of Monte San Savino, near Arezzo; elected (aged 63) 7 Feb 1550-23 March 1555

221. Marcellus II, Marcello Cervini, of Montefano (Macerata); elected (aged 54) 9 April 1555-30 April 1555

222. Paul IV, Giov. Pietro Caraffa, of Capriglio, Avellino; elected (aged 79) 23 May 1555-18 Aug 1559

223. Pius IV, Giov. Angelo de' Medici, of Milan; elected (aged 60) 26 Dec 1559-9 Dec 1565

224. St Pius V, Ant. Ghislieri, of Bosco Marengo, near Tortona; elected (aged 62) 7 Jan 1566-1 May 1572

225. Gregory XIII, Ugo Boncompagni, of Bologna; elected (aged 70) 13 May 1572-10 April 1585

226. Sixtus V, Felice Peretti, of Grottammare; elected (aged 64) 24 April 1585-27 Aug 1590

227. Urban VII, G.B. Castagna, of Rome; elected (aged 69) 15 Sept 1590-27 Sept 1590

228. Gregory XIV, Niccolò Sfondrati, of Cremona; elected (aged 55) 5 Dec 1590-15 Oct 1591

229. Innocent IX, G.A. Facchinetti, of Bologna; elected (aged 72) 29 Oct 1591-30 Dec 1591

230. Clement VIII, Ippolito Aldobrandini, of Fano; elected (aged 56) 30 Jan 1592-3 March 1605

231. Leo XI, Alessandro de' Medici, of Florence; elected (aged 70) 1 April 1605-27 April 1605

232. Paul V, Camillo Borghese, of Rome; elected (aged 53) 16 May 1605-28 Jan 1621

233. Gregory XV, Alessandro Ludovisi, of Bologna; elected (aged 67) 9 Feb 1621-8 July 1623

234. Urban VIII, Maffeo Barberini, of Florence; elected (aged 55) 6 Aug 1623-29 July 1644

235. Innocent X, G.B. Pamphilj, of Rome; elected (aged 72) 15 Sept 1644-7 Jan 1655

236. Alexander VII, Fabio Chigi, of Siena; elected (aged 56) 7 April 1655-22 May 1667

237. Clement IX, Giulio Rospigliosi, of Pistoia; elected (aged 67) 20 June 1667-9 Dec 1669

238. Clement X, Emilio Altieri, of Rome; elected (aged 80) 29 April 1670-22 July 1676

239. Innocent XI, Benedetto Odescalchi, of Como; elected (aged 65) 21 Sept 1676-11 Aug 1689

 

[Dogknox20]

An unbroken chain of Popes going back to Peter the Key holder
240. Alexander VIII, Pietro Ottoboni, of Venice; elected (aged 79) 6 Oct 1689-1 Feb 1691

241. Innocent XII, Antonio Pignatelli, of Spinazzola (Bari); elected (aged 76) 12 July 1691-27 Sept 1700

242. Clement XI, Giovanni Franesco Albani, of Urbino; elected (aged 51) 23 Nov 1700-19 March 1721

243. Innocent XIII, Michelangelo Conti, of Rome; elected (aged 66) 8 May 1721-7 March 1724

244. Benedict XIII, Pietro Francesco Orsini, of Gravina (Bari); elected (aged 75) 29 May 1724-21 Feb 1730

245. Clement XII, Lorenzo Corsini, of Florence; elected (aged 79) 12 July 1730-6 Feb 1740

246. Benedict XIV, Prospero Lambertini, of Bologna; elected (aged 65) 17 Aug 1740-3 May 1758

247. Clement XIII, Carlo Rezzonico, of Venice; elected (aged 65) 6 July 1758-2 Feb 1769

248. Clement XIV, Giov. Vincenzo Ganganelli, of Sant'Arcangelo di Romagna (Forlì); elected (aged 64) 19 May 1769-22 Sept 1774

249. Pius VI, Angelo Braschi, of Cesena; elected (aged 58) 15 Feb 1775-29 Aug 1799. Died at Valence, France

250. Pius VII, Giorgio Barnaba Chiaramonti, of Cesena; elected (aged 58) at Venice; 14 March 1800-died at Rome, 20 Aug 1823

251. Leo XII, Annibale della Genga, born at La Genga, near Foligno; elected (aged 63) 28 Sept 1823-10Feb 1829

252. Pius VIII, Francesco Saverio Castiglioni, of Cingoli; elected (aged 69) 31 March 1829-30 Nov 1830

253. Gregory XVI, Bartolomeo Cappellari, of Belluno, elected (aged 66) 2 Feb 1831-1 June 1846

254. Pius IX, Giov. Maria Mastai Ferretti, of Senigallia; elected (aged 54) 16 June 1846-7 Feb 1878

255. Leo XIII, Gioacchino Pecci, of Carpineto Romano, elected (aged 68) 20 Feb 1878-20 July 1903

256. St Pius X, Giuseppe Sarto, of Riese (Treviso); elected (aged 68) 4 Aug 1903-20 Aug 1914

257. Benedict XV, Giacomo della Chiesa, of Genoa; elected (aged 60) 3 Sept 1914-22 Jan 1922

258. Pius XI, Achille Ratti, of Desio (Milan); elected (aged 65) 6 Feb 1922-10 Feb 1939

259. Pius XII, Eugenio Pacelli, of Rome; elected (aged 63) 2 March 1939-9 Oct 1958

260. John XXIII, Angelo Roncalli, of Sotto il Monte, Bergamo; elected (aged 77) 28 Oct 1958-3 June 1963 (canonised 2014)

261. Paul VI, Giov. Battista Montini, of Brescia; elected (aged 65) 21 June 1963-6 August 1978

262. John Paul I, Albino Luciani, of Forno di Canale, Belluno; elected (aged 65) 26 August 1978-29 September 1978

263. John Paul II, Karol Wojtyla, of Wadowice (Krakow), Poland; elected (aged 58) 16 October 1978-2 April 2005 (canonised 2014)

264. Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, Joseph Ratzinger, of Markt am Inn (Passau), Germany; elected (aged 78) 19 April 2005 resigned 28 February 2013

265. Francis, Jorge Mario Bergoglio, of Buenos Aires, Argentina; elected (aged 77) 13 March 2013

 

[Deeje]

Deeje I reply... Jesus gave his authority to TEACH ALL NATIONS to his One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church!

There is no such thing as “one holy Catholic Church”.....there were schisms, remember? The Catholic Church exists divided into Roman, Greek, Russian and many other “orthodox” churches. All claim to be Catholic. Does Catholicism have a nationality?

Jesus gave his authority to his disciples, who were not Catholic in any manner shape or form. He sent his disciples out to preach about “God’s Kingdom”....is this what your church does? The Catholic people I have studied the Bible with, have no idea what it is.....how is that possible?

Jesus told his disciples....
“Whatever town or village you enter, find out who in it is worthy, and stay there until you leave. As you enter the house, greet it. If the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it; but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly I tell you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.” (Matthew 10:11-15 - NRSVCE)

No Catholic person has ever come to me with the “good news of God’s Kingdom” in my whole life. Yet Jesus said that this “good news” would be preached “in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations” before he brings an “end” to this wicked world. (Matthew 24:14)

"Those who accept you accept me, those who reject you reject me"! QUESTION: Do you accept the Catholic Church?! Remember before you answer; Russell started your church it was NOT Jesus, clearly Russell rejected Jesus!

I’m afraid you have that all wrong...and if you knew scripture in its entirety, rather than the little bits you share that appear to support your view, you would understand why it was foretold that God would cleanse and refine a people in this “time of the end”.

Daniel foretold this two and a half thousand years ago. He said that an abundance of knowledge would be made available in this time period so that a cleansing, whitening and refining would take place, as at no other time in history. (Daniel 12:4; 9-10) Today we have information at out fingertips, to the point where there is no excuse for ignorance.

"But you, Daniel, keep the words secret and the book sealed until the time of the end. Many shall be running back and forth, and evil shall increase.” . . . .He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are to remain secret and sealed until the time of the end. Many shall be purified, cleansed, and refined, but the wicked shall continue to act wickedly. None of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand."
(Daniel 12:4,9-10 - NRSVCE)

Why would God foretell a “cleansing” of his worship if it had not been corrupted?.....or a “purifying” if there was no uncleanness?.....or a “refining” if there were not impurities to be removed?

Russell was just the spokesman for a group of men from different faiths who were drawn together by God’s spirit to investigate all of Christendom’s doctrines in the light of the Bible, in order to teach the truth and to eliminate all that was introduced from what they knew were pagan origins. Russell and his companions rejected the lies that false Christianity continues to teach to this day.

The foretold apostasy was demonstrated to have begun towards the end of the first century, so by the second century, Christianity was on its way to becoming “Catholic”.....not Christian. I have already outlined to you how many additions the Catholic Church made, so that there was little left of the church’s teaching that resembled anything Jesus or his apostles taught. You don’t seem to be aware of the things that don’t belong in Christian worship. You mistake Catholicism for Christianity.

20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Deeje Do you believe the words of Jesus? NO you can't! All non Catholics MUST reject the scriptures or change the scriptures to say what they want God to say as the NWT does!"

I do believe the words of Jesus....ALL of them. There was no need to add to them.

I am so sorry for you. Your loyalty to your church is admirable, but you have placed your trust in a satanic fraud IMO. We have changed nothing in the Bible that didn’t need changing according to careful study of the original languages of the scriptures.

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.’ (Matthew 7:21-23 - NRSVCE)

If Jesus can say to those who claim him as their “Lord”...”I never knew you” and call them “evildoers”, it is obvious when reading that, that those whom Jesus addresses are completely unaware of the reasons for his rejection. They need to be “doing the will” of the “Father”......just as Jesus said that he did also......he called his Father “the only true God” without including himself. (John 17:3)

"I AM" a name for God!

“I AM” was never the meaning of God’s name, and if you knew the scriptures, you would see this. If you look it up in the Jewish Tanakh, (Exodus 3:13-15) you would see that God’s name means “I Will Be What I Will Be” so his name means that God can “BE” whatever he needs to be to fulfill his purpose. His name was never a statement of his existence , but a statement of his intentions to get us back to where we started.....
Shemot - Exodus - Chapter 3 (Parshah Shemot)

You really need to do your research.....

 

[rational experiences]

History natural, his story. His or him or he, male human, occultist scientist, wrong.

Machines and theme....first origin O God planet Earth ST ONE. First God is the God of science, stone. Is FUSED.

Sion...fusion to fission, the status said by the male scientist/occultist first innocent highest spiritual male, as thought upon by self to be in his own past, higher than the beast, the dinosaur history. Was pre living on a higher God O Earth mass fused...was higher his own self in life/body, was living in a higher amount of gas/mass water heavens. MEMORY.

Every single human today are babies. We use and own the use parent memory. Proven by little children who can recant a previous lived life owning same DNA body returned to live again. As advice reincarnation teaching.

Therefore, I did not believe in God preaching it scared me. Said Jesus was an evil story, did not believe in Satan or aliens. Believed that I lived in a loving light life support by my own say so. Conscious life living experience.

But owned my Mother memory as a female.

My Mother showed me her first human experience. To cry hysterically and call out, to the eternal being loving her, who she was separated from, and said Please do not leave me. As a daughter, I never knew death. Our first 2 human parents spiritual life lived with as babies. When our Holy human Father died.....the daughter spiritual self cried out....Father do not leave me.

One message over rode the other message in self human memory. My Holy Mother showed me both, and she showed me her own memory of coming out of spirit the eternal, owning an eternal spirit that converted in the water/oxygen microbe already existing mass. How she became a human and was life spirit separated from the eternal and owned death.

So she taught me when you die, everyone owned one other spirit, the eternal who had never left their body, but we moved out from their body and were cut off from them due to the spatial condition, radiation. We only survive in a radiating mass, highest body, gases/water and oxygen, SURVIVE only, and die, because we never belonged to creation.

Actually.

Therefore Rome was doing Temple science, the same as any other country involved in it.....for any DNA male life can be a scientist owning the same wisdom science awareness in any culture as any brother.

Memory of the male Father life says, his brother did the evil first science act.

Every male today owns a fallacy of his own memory. My brother did it, only my brother is wrong, so then he blames his brother. Yet in every country every brother knows science in any DNA life body. Use some common sense for once.

Hebrew in their naming own DNA slight variables to self expression so said that their Father in science, the designer was named Jehovah. The male who thought the sciences HUMAN. Rome said that their Father was Jesus, the male thoughts of science, the designer self.

Who gets life sacrificed, the human scientist does by ANTI thinking concepts, we did not begin our life from RADIATION UFO MASS.

Therefore Rome in the Temple/pyramid science use, seeing they all were dependant on the pyramid also, claimed their Father God was Zeus, so when they compiled the data to life sacrifice as taught to them by Jesus, who lived in Jerusalem, but no one knew who his parents were. For Rome the elite group owned a higher elite holding in the past. But the Hebrew community were also rich and elite, the same as the Muslims or Greek communities.

Elite humans own the trade and the community status.

Why the documents said, like UFO humans gather in new groups today to discuss attacked life. They formed a group that was neither Hebrew or Roman, they called their own group Christians. Rome, was involved in Temple science, paganism if you want to be realistic, the beast review, the same as the Hebrew and Egyptians, taken over by Muslim communities.

The exact same reality elite, owner of trade and ancient technologies.

Christians had to petition both groups, for Rome was identified in the past as having a control claim in their Holy Land as elite owners, yet their own elite countrymen were involved in their own Temple sciences also. Otherwise the DATA would not own a historic claim that both organizations Temple owners had to be petitioned with the claim life in sacrifice.

For it was Roman scholars who wrote and identified by their chosen studies all occult identified reasoning...for their organization continued to this day to study the occult. Only in modern day human life did other science organizations such as in Russia and America became involved in occult thesis involving human body and psyche changes their own self.

So science knows that the occult manifestation is real in creation, which proves that creation came from a pre existing place of spirit. Why science owns no argument about any theme I know how space created, for you would be lying.

0 says a male is space without any other Number.

Ask a scientist what number do you infer to state creation/conversion/and also change?

One or 1. 1 he then says has all of the Numbers within it.

Yet counts 1,2,3,4,5 etc, claiming all those numbers are in the body 1.

Use some brain cells for once.

 

[Dogknox20]

There is no such thing as “one holy Catholic Church”.....there were schisms, remember? The Catholic Church exists divided into Roman, Greek, Russian and many other “orthodox” churches. All claim to be Catholic. Does Catholicism have a nationality?

Jesus gave his authority to his disciples, who were not Catholic in any manner shape or form. He sent his disciples out to preach about “God’s Kingdom”....is this what your church does? The Catholic people I have studied the Bible with, have no idea what it is.....how is that possible?

Jesus told his disciples....
“Whatever town or village you enter, find out who in it is worthy, and stay there until you leave. As you enter the house, greet it. If the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it; but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly I tell you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.” (Matthew 10:11-15 - NRSVCE)

No Catholic person has ever come to me with the “good news of God’s Kingdom” in my whole life. Yet Jesus said that this “good news” would be preached “in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations” before he brings an “end” to this wicked world. (Matthew 24:14)



I’m afraid you have that all wrong...and if you knew scripture in its entirety, rather than the little bits you share that appear to support your view, you would understand why it was foretold that God would cleanse and refine a people in this “time of the end”.

Daniel foretold this two and a half thousand years ago. He said that an abundance of knowledge would be made available in this time period so that a cleansing, whitening and refining would take place, as at no other time in history. (Daniel 12:4; 9-10) Today we have information at out fingertips, to the point where there is no excuse for ignorance.

"But you, Daniel, keep the words secret and the book sealed until the time of the end. Many shall be running back and forth, and evil shall increase.” . . . .He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are to remain secret and sealed until the time of the end. Many shall be purified, cleansed, and refined, but the wicked shall continue to act wickedly. None of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand."
(Daniel 12:4,9-10 - NRSVCE)

Why would God foretell a “cleansing” of his worship if it had not been corrupted?.....or a “purifying” if there was no uncleanness?.....or a “refining” if there were not impurities to be removed?

Russell was just the spokesman for a group of men from different faiths who were drawn together by God’s spirit to investigate all of Christendom’s doctrines in the light of the Bible, in order to teach the truth and to eliminate all that was introduced from what they knew were pagan origins. Russell and his companions rejected the lies that false Christianity continues to teach to this day.

The foretold apostasy was demonstrated to have begun towards the end of the first century, so by the second century, Christianity was on its way to becoming “Catholic”.....not Christian. I have already outlined to you how many additions the Catholic Church made, so that there was little left of the church’s teaching that resembled anything Jesus or his apostles taught. You don’t seem to be aware of the things that don’t belong in Christian worship. You mistake Catholicism for Christianity.



I do believe the words of Jesus....ALL of them. There was no need to add to them.

I am so sorry for you. Your loyalty to your church is admirable, but you have placed your trust in a satanic fraud IMO. We have changed nothing in the Bible that didn’t need changing according to careful study of the original languages of the scriptures.

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.’ (Matthew 7:21-23 - NRSVCE)

If Jesus can say to those who claim him as their “Lord”...”I never knew you” and call them “evildoers”, it is obvious when reading that, that those whom Jesus addresses are completely unaware of the reasons for his rejection. They need to be “doing the will” of the “Father”......just as Jesus said that he did also......he called his Father “the only true God” without including himself. (John 17:3)



“I AM” was never the meaning of God’s name, and if you knew the scriptures, you would see this. If you look it up in the Jewish Tanakh, (Exodus 3:13-15) you would see that God’s name means “I Will Be What I Will Be” so his name means that God can “BE” whatever he needs to be to fulfill his purpose. His name was never a statement of his existence , but a statement of his intentions to get us back to where we started.....
Shemot - Exodus - Chapter 3 (Parshah Shemot)

You really need to do your research.....

You asked... There is no such thing as “one holy Catholic Church”.....there were schisms, remember? The Catholic Church exists divided into Roman, Greek, Russian and many other “orthodox” churches. All claim to be Catholic. Does Catholicism have a nationality?
All of these divisions in the church are because they took on various aspects of their culture ALL...
Deeje all accept the AUTHORITY of the Pope!
Jesus gave his AUTHORITY to Peter the Key holder Peter is the first pope!
The "Good News" is the Gospels the Gospels have been adulterated Corrupted by the NWT! YES you can say.. "The Good News has not been preached to you... You reject the truth for a lie!" IT WAS....
Deeje It was ONLY the Holy Catholic Church that brought Jesus and salvation to the world for the first seventeen hundred years.. THERE WERE NO BIBLES of any great number the printing press was not invented till then! Even then most people could not read.. The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church PREACHED Jesus and salvation to the world!
You say the "Time is of the end" I reply.. Your church has preached the end of the world many times..
The WTS falsely predicted the following:
1889: “The ‘battle of the great day of God almighty’ (Rev. 16:14) which will end in AD 1914 . . . ” (Studies, Vol. 2, 1908 edition, 101).
1891: “With the end of AD 1914, what God calls Babylon, and what men call Christendom, will have passed away, as already shown from prophecy” (Studies, Vol. 3, 153).
1894: “The end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble” (WT Reprints, 1-1-1894, 1605 and 1677).
1916: “The six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th day, the 1000 years of Christ’s reign began in 1873” (Studies, Vol. 2, p. 2 of foreword).
1918: “Therefore, we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the faithful prophets of old” (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 89).
1923: “1925 is definitely settled by the scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge” (WT, 4-1-1923, 106).
1925: “The year of 1925 is here. . . . Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year” (WT, 1-1-1925, 3).
1939: “The disaster of Armageddon is just ahead” (Salvation, 361).
1941: “Armageddon is surely near . . . soon . . . within a few years” (Children, 10).
1946: “Armageddon . . . should come sometime before 1972” (They Have Found a Faith, 44).
1968: “The end of the six thousand years of man’s history in the fall of 1975 is not tentative, but is accepted as a certain date” (WT, 1-1-1968, 271).
Besides false prophecies, the WTS has misled its members through countless changes in doctrine and practice:

The WTS has lied to it's members it teaches from corrupted scriptures!

 

[Dogknox20]

There is no such thing as “one holy Catholic Church”.....there were schisms, remember? The Catholic Church exists divided into Roman, Greek, Russian and many other “orthodox” churches. All claim to be Catholic. Does Catholicism have a nationality?

Jesus gave his authority to his disciples, who were not Catholic in any manner shape or form. He sent his disciples out to preach about “God’s Kingdom”....is this what your church does? The Catholic people I have studied the Bible with, have no idea what it is.....how is that possible?

Jesus told his disciples....
“Whatever town or village you enter, find out who in it is worthy, and stay there until you leave. As you enter the house, greet it. If the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it; but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly I tell you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.” (Matthew 10:11-15 - NRSVCE)

No Catholic person has ever come to me with the “good news of God’s Kingdom” in my whole life. Yet Jesus said that this “good news” would be preached “in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations” before he brings an “end” to this wicked world. (Matthew 24:14)



I’m afraid you have that all wrong...and if you knew scripture in its entirety, rather than the little bits you share that appear to support your view, you would understand why it was foretold that God would cleanse and refine a people in this “time of the end”.

Daniel foretold this two and a half thousand years ago. He said that an abundance of knowledge would be made available in this time period so that a cleansing, whitening and refining would take place, as at no other time in history. (Daniel 12:4; 9-10) Today we have information at out fingertips, to the point where there is no excuse for ignorance.

"But you, Daniel, keep the words secret and the book sealed until the time of the end. Many shall be running back and forth, and evil shall increase.” . . . .He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are to remain secret and sealed until the time of the end. Many shall be purified, cleansed, and refined, but the wicked shall continue to act wickedly. None of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand."
(Daniel 12:4,9-10 - NRSVCE)

Why would God foretell a “cleansing” of his worship if it had not been corrupted?.....or a “purifying” if there was no uncleanness?.....or a “refining” if there were not impurities to be removed?

Russell was just the spokesman for a group of men from different faiths who were drawn together by God’s spirit to investigate all of Christendom’s doctrines in the light of the Bible, in order to teach the truth and to eliminate all that was introduced from what they knew were pagan origins. Russell and his companions rejected the lies that false Christianity continues to teach to this day.

The foretold apostasy was demonstrated to have begun towards the end of the first century, so by the second century, Christianity was on its way to becoming “Catholic”.....not Christian. I have already outlined to you how many additions the Catholic Church made, so that there was little left of the church’s teaching that resembled anything Jesus or his apostles taught. You don’t seem to be aware of the things that don’t belong in Christian worship. You mistake Catholicism for Christianity.



I do believe the words of Jesus....ALL of them. There was no need to add to them.

I am so sorry for you. Your loyalty to your church is admirable, but you have placed your trust in a satanic fraud IMO. We have changed nothing in the Bible that didn’t need changing according to careful study of the original languages of the scriptures.

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.’ (Matthew 7:21-23 - NRSVCE)

If Jesus can say to those who claim him as their “Lord”...”I never knew you” and call them “evildoers”, it is obvious when reading that, that those whom Jesus addresses are completely unaware of the reasons for his rejection. They need to be “doing the will” of the “Father”......just as Jesus said that he did also......he called his Father “the only true God” without including himself. (John 17:3)



“I AM” was never the meaning of God’s name, and if you knew the scriptures, you would see this. If you look it up in the Jewish Tanakh, (Exodus 3:13-15) you would see that God’s name means “I Will Be What I Will Be” so his name means that God can “BE” whatever he needs to be to fulfill his purpose. His name was never a statement of his existence , but a statement of his intentions to get us back to where we started.....
Shemot - Exodus - Chapter 3 (Parshah Shemot)

You really need to do your research.....

Isaiah 9:7 Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.

Deeje You quote Daniel 12:4,9-10 (end times) you take snippets here and there why not read Isaiah 9:7 (above) Jesus sits on David's throne in heaven.. He is ALWAYS with his Holy Catholic CHURCH to the end of time! Clearly the One Church Jesus established on ROCK (not on sand) will never fail!

Your words... Russell was just the spokesman for a group of men ... I reply: Russell got it wrong! He thought the man made TRADITION of scripture ALONE will save... Clearly he got it wrong! THINK.... There are thousands of man made churches ALL claim to have the ONLY TRUTH BUT.....
Deeje but not even two of these thousands believe the same things! All because of the man made tradition of "Scriptures alone are all we need!" Jesus established a TEACHING Church a church with all the AUTHORITY of God! Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his bride to the very end of time!
THINK... If Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his church he cannot be with Russell's church! ALWAYS WITH!

Clearly if Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his Church Russell's church must be a LIE! To believe differently you MUST reject the scriptures!
He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever.
I said it many times... To be protestant you MUST reject the scriptures...
Jesus loves his church he died for his HOLY BLAMLESS CHURCH!
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.

Deeje You said the Church is NOT holy! ... To say this you MUST reject the scriptures!
You reject Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his own body that the Church failed... To say this you MUST reject the scriptures!
You say the Church did not teach "Good News" To say this you MUST reject logic and HISTORY! The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church put the "Good News" into her book, she named "The Bible"! You have placed the salvation of your soul in a lie! You reject the scriptures for the teaching of men!

 

[thomas t]

All points are duly noted. Thank you.

thank you for being civil. It's always good to be interacting in a kind manner.

So now, you acknowledge that there can be Christians outside the community of the Jehova Witnesses.
That's great. From all I can read from this source here (it's on JW.org), however, ... while you do acknowledge that, on the indiviual level, there can be Christians outside JWs... there can't be Christian churches.

So, if I understand this source right, Christian churches do not exist unless they are JW.

Well, that's kind of arrogant, in my view. Of course there can be Christian communities outside the JWs. Even if you find flaws in them.

in a number of ways, we are different from other religious groups that are called Christian it said in the source linked above. "called Christian" as opposed to simply: Christian....
Maybe you don't find a perfect church, yet many are still Christian. In Revelation 3, even the churches in spiritual trouble were called Christian.

all accept the AUTHORITY of the Pope!

he has authority over all who want his authority.

 

[Dogknox20]

thank you for being civil. It's always good to be interacting in a kind manner.

So now, you acknowledge that there can be Christians outside the community of the Jehova Witnesses.
That's great. From all I can read from this source here (it's on JW.org), however, ... while you do acknowledge that, on the indiviual level, there can be Christians outside JWs... there can't be Christian churches.

So, if I understand this source right, Christian churches do not exist unless they are JW.

Well, that's kind of arrogant, in my view. Of course there can be Christian communities outside the JWs. Even if you find flaws in them.

in a number of ways, we are different from other religious groups that are called Christian it said in the source linked above. "called Christian" as opposed to simply: Christian....
Maybe you don't find a perfect church, yet many are still Christian. In Revelation 3, even the churches in spiritual trouble were called Christian.
he has authority over all who want his authority.

thomas t To be Christian you must believe what Christians believe! Arius WAS a Christian until he was REMOVED from AMONG Christians! Christians labeled Arius a Heretic, a False Teacher!
2 Peter 2:1
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

This prophesy cannot work in the reverse... Christians were NOT AMONG Arius! He was AMONG Christians and as the Prophesy continues, Arius brought "The Way Of Truth" into disrepute! IF...
thomas t if you are OUTSIDE you cannot, at the same time be inside.. The WTS is outside of Christian belief they have similar belief as Arius!
Arius rejected what Christians teach.. "Jesus is God" ! All who believe as Arius are NOT Christian! ALL who believe as Arius are NOT in the Way of Truth!
The Jehovah Witness are NOT Christians their churches are NOT Christian!
thomas t You are mixed up in your understanding and or your source is wrong.

Historical fact... Jesus formed ONE Church placed on ROCK, not on sand. The Church Jesus established will never fail! Scriptures are very clear.. "Jesus is ALWAYS with his church to the end of time"! Logic alone should tell you; if Jesus is always with his church to the end of time, it did not fail.. Satan did NOT somehow overpower Jesus and take the Body of Jesus from Jesus! Jesus did not leave his bride! To be a JW you are forced to reject the scriptures Example 2 Peter 2:1-2 (above) you are forced to reject the Great Commission!
thomas t "He who accepts you accepts me, he who reject you rejects me and my Father"! You have placed the salvation of your soul in a man made Johnny come lately church you are forced to reject Jesus and truth to trust in WTS!

 

[thomas t]

Arius WAS a Christian until he was REMOVED from AMONG Christians!

he has nothing to do with me.
I'm not a false prophet.

IF...
thomas t if you are OUTSIDE you cannot, at the same time be inside..

I consider myself a member of the Christians... but not a member of the Roman Catholic Church (RCC).
Actually, I'm not mixed up in my understanding.
But I did disagree with the source I cited (I'm not a JW, BTW, you got that wrong).

 

[Dogknox20]

There is no such thing as “one holy Catholic Church”.....there were schisms, remember? The Catholic Church exists divided into Roman, Greek, Russian and many other “orthodox” churches. All claim to be Catholic. Does Catholicism have a nationality?


If Jesus can say to those who claim him as their “Lord”...”I never knew you” and call them “evildoers”, it is obvious when reading that, that those whom Jesus addresses are completely unaware of the reasons for his rejection. They need to be “doing the will” of the “Father”......just as Jesus said that he did also......he called his Father “the only true God” without including himself. (John 17:3)


“I AM” was never the meaning of God’s name, and if you knew the scriptures, you would see this. If you look it up in the Jewish Tanakh, (Exodus 3:13-15) you would see that God’s name means “I Will Be What I Will Be” so his name means that God can “BE” whatever he needs to be to fulfill his purpose. His name was never a statement of his existence , but a statement of his intentions to get us back to where we started.....
Shemot - Exodus - Chapter 3 (Parshah Shemot)
You really need to do your research.....

Deeje I hope all is well... You said (above) “I AM” was never the meaning of God’s name
Scriptures say different...
Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”

Mark 14:62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Deeje Jesus claims equality with God both in name (the divine name I AM) and in authority.
Daniel 7:13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Deeje peoples of every language worshiped him!. ... everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
The Body of Jesus his CHURCH will be everlasting... You reject the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church... (A Church that will last forever) for a man made Johnny come lately church!
Critical scholar Bart Ehrman said... Until a year ago I would have said—and frequently did say, in the classroom, in public lectures, and in my writings—that Jesus is portrayed as God in the Gospel of John but not, definitely not, in the other Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke.
Ehrman then concedes:
These Gospels do indeed think of Jesus as divine. Being made the very Son of God who can heal, cast out demons, raise the dead, pronounce divine forgiveness, receive worship together suggests that even for these Gospels Jesus was a divine being, not merely a human.

Clearly the experts say "Jesus is God!" "I AM"!

Deeje "You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. . . . but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to". C.S. Lewis’s famous imperative in Mere Christianity:

 

[cataway]

Historical fact... Jesus formed ONE Church placed on ROCK, not on sand. !

who is the rock ?

 

[metis]

who is the rock ?

"Cephas" [sounding like "Kayfas"], as it is a play on words in Aramaic as it can be translated into Greek as "Petros" or "petra", both meaning "rock". Since Peter was a man, "Petra" could not be used because it's feminine.

 

[Dogknox20]

he has nothing to do with me.
I'm not a false prophet.

I consider myself a member of the Christians... but not a member of the Roman Catholic Church (RCC).
Actually, I'm not mixed up in my understanding.
But I did disagree with the source I cited (I'm not a JW, BTW, you got that wrong).

thomas t I hope all is well.. Where I am at it is very hot...
I reply..... 1) You say; "you are a Christian"... Jehovah Witness are NOT Christian they reject what Christians believe! Historical FACT: The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church is the ONLY Church established by Jesus.. ALL...
thomas t all others are started by men! ALL...
thomas t all others must reject the scriptures to reject the Catholic Church! It is just this simple: If you accepted the scriptures you would be Catholic!
This verse was in Luther's bible...as well as in your bible... "Listen to the Church or be treated as Pagan"! Luther the father of the tradition of "Saved by ONLY Faith" and the father of the tradition of "All we need is the scriptures ALONE" rejected the Church; he refused to LISTEN to the Church! I point out "A Pagan" is a person outside of God' family!

thomas t This verse is also in your bible, as it was in Luther's... "He who hears you hears me, he who rejects you rejects me and God in heaven"! Luther refused to HEAR the Church he rejected this verse as a lie from the mouth of Jesus! All peoples in PROTEST MUST reject the scriptures or in the JW's case they also rewrite what God said!
2) You consider yourself Christian....? But you deny scripture "Jesus is always with his Church to the end of time" ALL....
thomas t all protestant think they MUST re-form the body of Jesus, or their churches are not needed!! All think; all TEACH- Jesus failed! All think they MUST Come to God' rescue and help restore the body of Jesus! AS IF....
thomas t as if Satan overpowered Jesus and Satan took the body of Jesus from Jesus!? As if Jesus first did not plan before he built his Church, as if Jesus built on sand instead of ROCK!