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The JK Rowling Controversy

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
Premium Member
Eh, can't totally agree with you there. I think her opinion of bathrooms post-trans inclusiveness is rooted in fear.

Every prejudice is, when it comes down to it, ultimately rooted in some sense of irrational and unfounded fear about the "danger" posed to oneself or one's identity by those who are radically "different" and therefore perceived as "Other" to oneself in some way.

When a person thinks in such an unreasonable, emotional way, it is typical for them to ignore empirical and scientific evidence which de-mythologizes the basis for their prejudice.

Such is the case with JK and other "gender-critical feminists'" unfounded alaramism over transwomen being able to use female toilets and other traditionally sex segregated spaces.

The abundant evidence from studies on countries that have already adopted GRA reform demonstrates that transwomen pose no threat to ciswomen. Their enjoyment of such freedoms does not impinge upon the liberties of ciswomen.

But there is a deeper dimension to the TERF phobism - a deep rooted judgmentalism of other people based upon their genitalia and natal / biological / chromosomal sex, which as a @ADigitalArtist implies, causes them to prejudge all male-bodied individuals as potential sexual predators, simply due to their possession of a penis and testes.

So, of course, this fundamental misandry gets transferred to one of the most vulnerable and discriminated against minorities - transwomen, almost by default.
 
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Altfish

Veteran Member
So the actions of unrepentant criminals shouldn't ever be reported?
Not when the Sun allegedly 'doorstepped' the man, some 15 years(?) after the incident - how do you get a Sun reporter to Porto in lockdown should be the main story. The reporter was previously in the Algarve following up on the recent Madeline McCann developments. Makes Cummins journey look trivial.
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
Not when the Sun allegedly 'doorstepped' the man, some 15 years(?) after the incident - how do you get a Sun reporter to Porto in lockdown should be the main story. The reporter was previously in the Algarve following up on the recent Madeline McCann developments. Makes Cummins journey look trivial.
That's an entirely different (and valid, if even further off-topic ;) ) issue. You initial accusation was that headline showed the tabloid press supporting domestic abuse. On that, and that alone, I'm stating that you were clearly mistaken.
 

Ponder This

Well-Known Member
Just to be clear, keeping segregated bathrooms by genetics is not only entirely unenforceable, but it's not practical either. I know self described butch lesbians who had no problems, nobody batted an eye, before this controversy, and now they're being side-eyed because people assume they're transwomen and thus suddenly more inherantly dangerous which is not only insultingly presumptive but entirely inaccurate.
Not to mention that most people wouldn't recognize transmen as women so forcing people who look like this:
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Into women's bathrooms based on their birth sex is counterproductive to the pearl-clutching they're trying to maintain.

But more importantly, treating every man as a potential assailant is not a healthy attitude to have, and continuing the weird social hangups about nudity only reinforces creepy behavior as forbidden fruit. Plenty of nations arent nearly so prudish as the US about things like lockers and bathrooms and, surprise surprise, are not hotbeds of assault.

The problem is that it might actually be enforceable... but should there really be a law about this?
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Transphobia isn't a "nonsense word." Some people are legitimately transphobic. Rowling's views are transphobic in a subtler sense than some Westboro Baptist type.

As far as I know, she has not committed a crime and others might not agree with her, which is fine.

People should be allowed to have their own opinions and be allowed to express those opinions without being subject to the attack pack of the Left.

The same M.O. is used when someone does not agree with the Green Activists.

BTW, I am not a fan of hers or Harry Potter.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
As far as I know, she has not committed a crime and others might not agree with her, which is fine.

People should be allowed to have their own opinions and be allowed to express those opinions without being subject to the attack pack of the Left.

The same M.O. is used when someone does not agree with the Green Activists.

BTW, I am not a fan of hers or Harry Potter.

No one has accused her of a crime, as far as I know. When you make public comments, particularly as a famous public figure, particularly on a controversial subject, it's absurd not to expect public criticism.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
No one has accused her of a crime, as far as I know. When you make public comments, particularly as a famous public figure, particularly on a controversial subject, it's absurd not to expect public criticism.

There is a big difference between criticism and hatred.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
There is a big difference between criticism and hatred.

That's true. And I don't hate her. No one in this thread this far, as far as I can tell, has expressed hatred for her. Some people online have, because again Twitter is a toxic dumpster fire where hatred is the water that platform swims in.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
As far as I know, she has not committed a crime and others might not agree with her, which is fine.

People should be allowed to have their own opinions and be allowed to express those opinions without being subject to the attack pack of the Left.

The same M.O. is used when someone does not agree with the Green Activists.

BTW, I am not a fan of hers or Harry Potter.
Of course the right doesn't have an attack pack - The Sun, Mail, Express do it everyday.

People should indeed be allowed to have their own opinions, but shouldn't be surprised when people disagree with them.
And ... when you are in the public eye, relying on 'sales' and 'sponsorship' then you should consider those as well - sponsors soon run from racists, homophobes, etc.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
The part I don't understand is why anybody cares much about her opinion.

She's a writer. Rich and famous because she wrote hugely popular novels for teens. She is rightfully a celebrity in the field of teen novels.

But she isn't a psychologist or sociological researcher or anything like that. Why does anyone care about her opinions concerning transfolk? Do her opinions about Brexit or climate change create this much internet drama?
I have no idea.

The problem I'm seeing here is more about celebrity worship. People care about this, not because she's giving an informed opinion but just because she's famous.
Tom
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Of course the right doesn't have an attack pack - The Sun, Mail, Express do it everyday.

People should indeed be allowed to have their own opinions, but shouldn't be surprised when people disagree with them.
And ... when you are in the public eye, relying on 'sales' and 'sponsorship' then you should consider those as well - sponsors soon run from racists, homophobes, etc.

Most people would expect you to provide evidence that The Sun, Mail, Express threaten people every day.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
The part I don't understand is why anybody cares much about her opinion.

She's a writer. Rich and famous because she wrote hugely popular novels for teens. She is rightfully a celebrity in the field of teen novels.

But she isn't a psychologist or sociological researcher or anything like that. Why does anyone care about her opinions concerning transfolk? Do her opinions about Brexit or climate change create this much internet drama?
I have no idea.

The problem I'm seeing here is more about celebrity worship. People care about this, not because she's giving an informed opinion but just because she's famous.
Tom

Ricky Gervais has the right idea about celebrities and their opinions but I do not think that they should be hounded for making them.

It would be better to just ignore them.

Ricky Gervais calls out celebs amid coronavirus quarantine: 'People are just a bit tired of being lectured to'
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Ricky Gervais has the right idea about celebrities and their opinions but I do not think that they should be hounded for making them.
Who is Ricky Gervais and why should I care about his opinions?

Is it because he's famous and agrees with you?
Tom
 
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