The Left now says there's no such thing as a "woman"

[Wildswanderer]

Since you see, feel, know yourself as male, yes that's quite true.

If your brain were otherwise wired (as some are), you might in fact see yourself more as being on the road to becoming authentic.

But of course, you can't see that. And you will waste not a pica-watt of mental energy trying to empathize.

No, I would still be a male at the DNA level. Many people have mental illness that makes them delusional. What their brains tell them isn't a reliable indicater of what sex they are.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

If your brain is female, & you get the body
altered to be female, then you're female enuf.

Correct. According to what I've read of biology, there are two things to determining sex itself. And it's sometimes separated into something called sexual characteristics, which is your private parts, and something called secondary sexual characteristics, which is pretty much just your appearance. Transgender people who haven't had the operation done, but take hormones, are changing their secondary sexual characteristics. And in a lot of ways, I feel that the secondary sexual characters can be more important than these "main sexual characteristics", ie the private parts.

 

[Wildswanderer]

If your brain is female, & you get the body
altered to be female, then you're female enuf.

Nope I'd just be a male with female parts.

 

[Revoltingest]

Correct. According to what I've read of biology, there are two things to determining sex itself. And it's sometimes separated into something called sexual characteristics, which is your private parts, and something called secondary sexual characteristics, which is pretty much just your appearance. Transgender people who haven't had the operation done, but take hormones, are changing their secondary sexual characteristics. And in a lot of ways, I feel that the secondary sexual characters can be more important than these "main sexual characteristics", ie the private parts.

I thought I might get some grief for "female enuf"
as opposed to "female".

 

[Wildswanderer]

The current medical consensus is that gender is an identity dictated by social norms without a scientific or objective basis:

Bad science. In fact, not science at all.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I thought I might get some grief for "female enuf"
as opposed to "female".

I didn't think to give you grief for it. Sorry. I'll try better in the future.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Bad science. In fact, not science at all.

According to whom? By what metrics are we supposed to dismiss the peer-reviewed consensus of scientific and medical organizations?

 

[Revoltingest]

Nope I'd just be a male with female parts.

That would be because you're a cis-male.
Even if you did the steps to transition to female,
you'd still have your male brain. Trans-females
have a brain that strongly sees itself as female.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Nah! He can just ignore the garbage, bile and untruths. No struggle in that.

So...not log on?

 

[Wildswanderer]

According to whom? By what metrics are we supposed to dismiss the peer-reviewed consensus of scientific and medical organizations?

The current medical consensus is that gender is an identity dictated by social norms without a scientific or objective basis:

 

[Debater Slayer]

The current medical consensus is that gender is an identity dictated by social norms without a scientific or objective basis:

Yes, that's the stance I quoted. I'm asking you on what basis you're dismissing the peer-reviewed stance of the WHO as "bad science" and "not science at all." Do you have peer-reviewed, medically reliable studies supporting your dismissal of the current medical consensus on gender identity?

 

[Wildswanderer]

That would be because you're a cis-male.
Even if you did the steps to transition to female,
you'd still have your male brain. Trans-females
have a brain that strongly sees itself as female.

It goes much deeper than the brain. It's genetics.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Yes, that's the stance I quoted. I'm asking you on what basis you're dismissing the peer-reviewed stance of the WHO as "bad science" and "not science at all." Do you have peer-reviewed, medically reliable studies supporting your dismissal of the current medical consensus on gender identity?

They literally said their conclusion isn't science!

 

[Revoltingest]

It goes much deeper than the brain. It's genetics.

Also epigenetics & fetal development.
All far above my pay grade.
So I don't address the science of it .

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The current medical consensus is that gender is an identity dictated by social norms without a scientific or objective basis:

Here is one of the current primary sources that reflect the general consensus.
Standards of Care - WPATH World Professional Association for Transgender Health

 

[Debater Slayer]

They literally said their conclusion isn't science!

I think you might have misread my post. I said this:

The current medical consensus is that gender is an identity dictated by social norms without a scientific or objective basis:

Let me rephrase that to remove any potential ambiguity: according to the current medical consensus (which I referenced in the link I posted), there is no scientific or objective basis underpinning any specific notions of what constitutes the various gender identities such as male, female, and non-binary. They vary from society to society and sometimes drastically change over time.

For example, where I live, some people consider it "masculine" for a woman to wear jeans, whereas this is less so in some societies. Another example is that some people in various parts of the world consider showing emotion to be an "unmanly" trait, while some cultural circles encourage and even romanticize this trait.

Since there is no scientific or objective basis for any of these norms and notions of feminity, masculinity, and everything in between, the idea that transgendered people's biological sex determines their gender identity is both unscientific and arbitrary.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Also epigenetics & fetal development.
All far above my pay grade.
So I don't address the science of it .

Here's a video on the subject. I'm putting it behind spoiler tags due to it being a sex ed video:

Spoiler: PG13

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Lol, be it?
You can't be what you ain't.

I think you have an ugly disposition, frankly.

With hormone treatment, at least it would fit you.
Do you know what a diesel fitter is?

I like the fact that you are trying hard to understand. It's hard, I know, even for me. But trying to understand is about 98% of the battle.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think you have an ugly disposition, franl

I like the fact that you are trying hard to understand. It's hard, I know, even for me. But trying to understand is about 98% of the battle.

Do you know what a diesel fitter is?

 

[Sand Dancer]

funny how non theists throw around the word "science" exactly the way theists throw around "god". Oh a a dude is a women because....uhhhh..... because "science"

A person's body and brain are two different genders. In the womb, the body and brain are genderized at two different times. Sometimes they don't match up. They can't help it. Sometimes babies have deformed genitalia and they are given the wrong designation at birth. Things happen.