The Liberal Class vs. The Working Class: The Party is Over!

[Daemon Sophic]

Maybe you should become more aware. Read some Chomsky or something.

I think you are conflating "members of the democratic party" with "liberal elites". :no: Far from it. As I said, the dems are hardly to be considered liberal any more. Even Carter was too centralized to be called "liberal". Perhaps you have been listening too much to corporate news and rightwingnuts who revile Carter and Clinton as "dirty commie librrals" Which, of course they are not.

Yup. The cheerleaders for the Democratic party and the Obama administration.

They seem to do so by propogating reality, and fact-based news. Yes they slam pugs and praise dems; but at least they don't blatantly lie like the vast majority of viewed "news" sources.

Pulled? They happily went there. Who helped undermine trade unionism? Who implemented NAFTA and promoted the globalization of capital? Who cut and changed "welfare as we know it" and with pride? Who repealed the Glass-Stegall Act? Who helped send millions of manufacturing jobs outside of the U.S.?

So tell me why the working class should duped by a party that does nothing for them, if fact why should they be duped by a party that routinely works against them?

Corporate CEOs and bribed politicians of every walk. :yes: But you already knew that.
Which brings us back to my fisrt point. There is no liberal party in the U.S. government. :no: And the press is a tool of the neocons.

 

[Valjean]

The "liberal class" is responsible for civil rights, woman's suffrage, social security, Medicare and Medicaid, the eight hour day, minimum wages, health and safety regulations. child labor regulations, air and water quality regulations, unemployment compensation, universal education, subsidized state universities, auto safety regulations, trade unions, banking regulation. &c, &c,&c. All were opposed by the upper classes. Many were opposed by the duped working classes, as well.
The liberals created economic mobility and the American middle class.

The "liberal classes" opposed NAFTA, CAFTA and trade deregulation, which sent jobs overseas and decimated the middle class. The liberals opposed the banking deregulation that led to the crash of '08 (not to mention '29). The liberals opposed the wars in Viet Nam and Iraq.

The liberal class is the working class' best friend, even if it doesn't realize it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And you can blame the liberal class for that one.

No, I blame the right-wing capitalists for that. There is no "liberal elite" in America. Both the Dem and Rep parties are right-wing. The only difference is that the Dem Party is more center-right, due to them having more progressive elements that at least pay lip service to caring for more disempowered groups in society, and the Rep Party is way further to the right and is purely capitalist, anti-poor, anti-working class, anti-woman, anti-immigrant, anti-LGBT, etc. The most powerful class is not "liberal" but is firmly rich capitalist and control both major parties. The rich have effectively formed a sort of monarchy in America.

 

[Curious George]

I am still waiting to hear exactly what the proletariat want. I have so far heard cries against the intelligentsia and the plutocrats, and some esoteric ramblings of a cultural agenda, but I have yet to hear anything definitive.

Really this sounds like some sophomoric mumbo jumbo spawned from too many documentary nights and American spirits. If you really care about social justice issues you might find some specific ones with which to take issues. Then you can formalize arguments and advocate through the democratic process. Heck, you will probably find I agree with you on many of these "social justice" issues. But trying to razzle dazzle a crowd with banter against some abstract principle only works in the movies

 

[Sunstone]

The "liberal class" is responsible for civil rights, woman's suffrage, social security, Medicare and Medicaid, the eight hour day, minimum wages, health and safety regulations. child labor regulations, air and water quality regulations, unemployment compensation, universal education, subsidized state universities, auto safety regulations, trade unions, banking regulation. &c, &c,&c. All were opposed by the upper classes. Many were opposed by the duped working classes, as well.
The liberals created economic mobility and the American middle class.

The "liberal classes" opposed NAFTA, CAFTA and trade deregulation, which sent jobs overseas and decimated the middle class. The liberals opposed the banking deregulation that led to the crash of '08 (not to mention '29). The liberals opposed the wars in Viet Nam and Iraq.

The liberal class is the working class' best friend, even if it doesn't realize it.

Chris Hedges wrote some time ago that liberals no longer had any power in America and he predicted that their lack of power would lead many working class people to suppose that the liberals had betrayed them.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Chris Hedges wrote some time ago that liberals no longer had any power in America and he predicted that their lack of power would lead many working class people to suppose that the liberals had betrayed them.

:yes:

No, I blame the right-wing capitalists for that. There is no "liberal elite" in America. Both the Dem and Rep parties are right-wing. The only difference is that the Dem Party is more center-right, due to them having more progressive elements that at least pay lip service to caring for more disempowered groups in society, and the Rep Party is way further to the right and is purely capitalist, anti-poor, anti-working class, anti-woman, anti-immigrant, anti-LGBT, etc. The most powerful class is not "liberal" but is firmly rich capitalist and control both major parties. The rich have effectively formed a sort of monarchy in America.

The term is "Plutocracy" - rule by the rich. By the rich, and for the rich.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

The "liberal class" is responsible for civil rights, woman's suffrage, social security, Medicare and Medicaid, the eight hour day, minimum wages, health and safety regulations. child labor regulations, air and water quality regulations, unemployment compensation, universal education, subsidized state universities, auto safety regulations, trade unions, banking regulation. &c, &c,&c. All were opposed by the upper classes. Many were opposed by the duped working classes, as well.
The liberals created economic mobility and the American middle class.

The "liberal classes" opposed NAFTA, CAFTA and trade deregulation, which sent jobs overseas and decimated the middle class. The liberals opposed the banking deregulation that led to the crash of '08 (not to mention '29). The liberals opposed the wars in Viet Nam and Iraq.

The liberal class is the working class' best friend, even if it doesn't realize it.

Say wut? You cannot be serious.

Who is responsible for civil rights? Civil rights workers and activist on various side of the political spectrum, that is who.

Who is responsible for women's suffrage? Women of various political views, that is who.

Who is responsible for social security? The worker and labor, that is who.

Who is responsible for Medicare and Medicaid ? The worker and labor, that is who.

Who is responsible for eight hour work day? The worker and labor, that is who.

Who is responsible for minimum wages? The worker and labor, that is who.

Who is responsible for health and safety regulations? The worker and labor, that is who.

Who is responsible for child labor regulations? The worker and labor, that is who.

Seems to me the elite liberal class is a parasite who thinks he can just take credit for the achievements of others. The liberal elite are not the friends nor allies of the worker, they are the users and abusers of the working class. Duping the worker out of political power and then neglecting them later. Liberalism is one of the reasons a worker's socialism never took in the U.S.

 

[Valjean]

 

[Curious George]

Um.... Post 24. Still waiting for substance.

 

[Revoltingest]

Liberalism is one of the reasons a worker's socialism never took in the U.S.

So "liberalism" isn't all bad after all.

 

[esmith]

They should embrace socialism, but socialism as been so stigmatized by both parties I either see many of the working class abandoning even having a political voice or moving towards right-wing populism i.e. fascism.

Question would you be willing to move to a country that had a socialist government?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

:yes:The term is "Plutocracy" - rule by the rich. By the rich, and for the rich.

Yup. I know. :yes:

 

[dust1n]

Question would you be willing to move to a country that had a socialist government?

I would. Why, you buying plane tickets?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Question would you be willing to move to a country that had a socialist government?

No. I am willing to turn the one I live in into a socialist government.

 

[Secret Chief]

I would. Why, you buying plane tickets?

Which would they be? Ones that have left leaning main parties?

I can confidently say the UK is no longer that. Sweden?

 

[Secret Chief]

No. I am willing to turn the one I live in into a socialist government.

Good luck with that one!

 

[Penumbra]

The working class has largely been betrayed by the liberal elite. Since Clinton, the elite liberal class political party i.e the Democratic party as done absolutely nothing for the working class. We have high unemployment, we still have foreclosures going on and we still have the destruction of trade unions. Their party no longer speaks to the working class.

Instead the liberal elite as decided to ignore the suffering of the poor and working class and push a cultural agenda and if that will address the suffering of the working class. Cultural change does not equal social justice but many liberals want to make pretend and say that it does. The people are suffering and just changing the set dressing does not address the suffering of the working class and poor.

If the liberal class keeps ignoring the working class, they will become nothing more than a joke. Keep ignoring the worker and the poor to push cultural change instead of social justice then you can buy yourself a front seat ticket to the exodus of the working class from your favored political party. Call me Cassandra but this is what is going to happen. In fact it is already happening.

You liberals give the working class and poor nothing, they will give you nothing.

Now debate.

You seem to be assuming that liberals and the Democratic party are the same thing.

I'm not sure why, because only 43% of Democrats identify as liberals. Neither of the Clintons are liberals.

The liberal political group in Congress is the Progressive Caucus. Only 68 out of 435 representatives are members of it, and only 1 senator out of 100 is a member. So, most Democrats are not members. That one senator is Bernie Sanders, a socialist. The congressmen are mostly Democrats, the subset of Democrats that are actually liberal.

In 2012, the Progressive Caucus released the People's Budget; their vision for the next 10 years.

The People’s Budget eliminates the deficit in 10 years, puts Americans back to work and restores our economic competitiveness. The People’s Budget recognizes that in order to compete, our nation needs every American to be productive, and in order to be productive we need to raise our skills to meet modern needs.

Our Budget Eliminates the Deficit and Raises a $31 Billion Surplus In Ten Years
Our budget protects Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and responsibly eliminates the deficit by targeting its main drivers: the Bush Tax Cuts, the wars overseas, and the causes and effects of the recent recession.

Our Budget Puts America Back to Work & Restores America’s Competitiveness
• Trains teachers and restores schools; rebuilds roads and bridges and ensures that users help pay for them
• Invests in job creation, clean energy and broadband infrastructure, housing and R&D programs

Our Budget Creates a Fairer Tax System
• Ends the recently passed upper-income tax cuts and lets Bush-era tax cuts expire at the end of 2012
• Extends tax credits for the middle class, families, and students
• Creates new tax brackets that range from 45% starting at $1 million to 49% for $1 billion or more
• Implements a progressive estate tax
• Eliminates corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies; closes loopholes for multinational corporations
• Enacts a financial crisis responsibility fee and a financial speculation tax on derivatives and foreign exchange

Our Budget Protects Health
• Enacts a health care public option and negotiates prescription payments with pharmaceutical companies
• Prevents any cuts to Medicare physician payments for a decade

Our Budget Safeguards Social Security for the Next 75 Years
• Eliminates the individual Social Security payroll cap to make sure upper income earners pay their fair share
• Increases benefits based on higher contributions on the employee side

Our Budget Brings Our Troops Home
• Responsibly ends our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to leave America more secure both home and abroad
• Cuts defense spending by reducing conventional forces, procurement, and costly R&D programs

Our Budget’s Bottom Line
• Deficit reduction of $5.6 trillion
• Spending cuts of $1.7 trillion
• Revenue increase of $3.9 trillion
• Public investment $1.7 trillion

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The working class has largely been betrayed by the liberal elite. Since Clinton, the elite liberal class political party i.e the Democratic party as done absolutely nothing for the working class. We have high unemployment, we still have foreclosures going on and we still have the destruction of trade unions. Their party no longer speaks to the working class.

Instead the liberal elite as decided to ignore the suffering of the poor and working class and push a cultural agenda and if that will address the suffering of the working class. Cultural change does not equal social justice but many liberals want to make pretend and say that it does. The people are suffering and just changing the set dressing does not address the suffering of the working class and poor.

If the liberal class keeps ignoring the working class, they will become nothing more than a joke. Keep ignoring the worker and the poor to push cultural change instead of social justice then you can buy yourself a front seat ticket to the exodus of the working class from your favored political party. Call me Cassandra but this is what is going to happen. In fact it is already happening.

You liberals give the working class and poor nothing, they will give you nothing.

Now debate.

Lift the veil of confusion: there is no difference in party, only puppets who line up to do the bidings of their corporate masters. The Democrats do nothing because those who are funding their campaigns do not want them to. Why try and prompt the government to do anything to get the poor off food stamps when banks like Chase and J.P. Morgan are making money because people are poor? The last things those big donors want is less poor people because the system is rigged in such a way that fewer poor people means less money for many of them.

 

[Will Campbell]

The working class has largely been betrayed by the liberal elite. Since Clinton, the elite liberal class political party i.e the Democratic party as done absolutely nothing for the working class. We have high unemployment, we still have foreclosures going on and we still have the destruction of trade unions. Their party no longer speaks to the working class.

Instead the liberal elite as decided to ignore the suffering of the poor and working class and push a cultural agenda and if that will address the suffering of the working class. Cultural change does not equal social justice but many liberals want to make pretend and say that it does. The people are suffering and just changing the set dressing does not address the suffering of the working class and poor.

If the liberal class keeps ignoring the working class, they will become nothing more than a joke. Keep ignoring the worker and the poor to push cultural change instead of social justice then you can buy yourself a front seat ticket to the exodus of the working class from your favored political party. Call me Cassandra but this is what is going to happen. In fact it is already happening.

You liberals give the working class and poor nothing, they will give you nothing.

Now debate.

I'll tell you when this country began to go to hell.....when Ronald Reagan slashed tax rates in half, continued to spend like a drunken sailor, borrowed three trillion dollars from foreign banks to cover the shortfall thereby funneling that borrowed money into the pockets of the richest people in the country. Also when he fired the PATCO workers that was the beginning of the end of labor unions and consequently the beginning of the end of a middle class.

Why do you think Reagan is the hero of the rich and corporations, i.e. Republicans. It ain't rocket science.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'll tell you when this country began to go to hell.....when Ronald Reagan slashed tax rates in half, continued to spend like a drunken sailor, borrowed three trillion dollars from foreign banks to cover the shortfall thereby funneling that borrowed money into the pockets of the richest people in the country. Also when he fired the PATCO workers that was the beginning of the end of labor unions and consequently the beginning of the end of a middle class.

Why do you think Reagan is the hero of the rich and corporations, i.e. Republicans. It ain't rocket science.

Consider the good he did too. The end of the cold war was his personal initiative,
independent of Star Wars. That saved some money & reduced the danger.
(And I even voted against him. He just turned out better than I expected.)