The Lie of Evolution and the Stupidity of Those Who Believe in It

[Shadow Wolf]

After so few years of human life, newspapers came into existence, instruments, and much more.

We were around for hundreds of thousands of years before those things came about. News papers have only been around for a few hundred years, with the first instruments appearing only about 40,000 years ago (which isn't very long considering the line of tool-using hominidea stretches back over 2 million years).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As far as what it will look like when it will never end -- peace, joy, and happiness without end. No more war. No more cruelty to and from animals and humans. No more destroying the atmosphere. If you have a Bible, read Revelation 21:1-5.

I have read it. And what is so great about never ending joy and happiness? What if we want tranquility and serenity? What happens when joy and happiness become boring and too much to handle sense you perpetually feel these?

 

[ChristineM]

Yeah, go find the bones of thoughts and the leap between animal thoughts and humans. Remember now -- the relics, the thoughts. Hmmm?

Bones are not thoughts. Such a shame you are so misinformed.

 

[metis]

Animals do not do that.

Actually they do, and the evidence is that if they didn't then their behavior would be entirely random. We have known for quite some time now that most animals can use what we call "reason", thus not all of their behavior is instinctive.

 

[Segev Moran]

So what is this objective evidence for a god then - and which god?

At the end there is only one God no matter what religion tries to describe it, its the same one.
The issue is that religions try to base their religion on what God claims, but at the bottom line we all speak of the same thing.

The objectivity here is simple.
No matter who you are, if you will follow simple things, you will find the same truth. things are not random. things do not happen because they just happen.
As Christianity and Islam all refer to the same God, i would suggest starting with the basic rules laid out in the Torah.

If you understand how things work you will quickly understand that the instructions we get from God actually work and this will be your evidence.

The problem here is that most people choose not to try those instruction in the claim they are false.

Unlike science, that is observable, the evidence here is based on experience. this is why many think of it as subjective. this is, however, not true. the end result my differ from one person to another, but the way it works is the same for everyone.

How is it that all the people who set out to study god(s) come to such different conclusions, whereas those who study (say) gravity come to the same conclusion (future speculations aside)? This flatly contradicts your claim that the evidence is similarly objective.

Most people who come out to study God expect to understand it by reading texts. this is not how one can experience the evidence.
It will be the same as studying gravity without ever trying to drop a stone to the ground.

If people who study God will actually try the suggested instructions (that most are rather simple to try), they will quickly come to the same conclusion.

Another thing is, that when one studies God, he might try and understand what God is., this is not an achievable task. there is no demonstration of God, there is only demonstration of its affect.

In order to experience this effect, you must try to follow its instructions.
I am not talking about becoming religious, rather trying some of its instructions and observing the results while understanding how to look at it.

So what are the rules?

First you need to understand the Hebrew language.
This means understanding the basic structure of the Hebrew words, and understanding the meaning of each Hebrew character.
Once you understand that, you need to read the bible in the POV of human on earth without ANY scientific knowledge we have today. actually, you need to read it without any scientific agenda, rather as a language of describing things in a simple non scientific manner.

You can than have a basic understanding of what God really tells us.
The most basic rule is Do things not for your self, rather for others. this sounds simple, but it is a very hard task.
This needs to be fully understood before you can start practicing it as we mostly do things out of selfishness (even we think we are not)
Once you start to understand what it means, you will begin seeing patterns of behaviors in humans, animals, nature and such.
From there, the road will be quite clear to understand that nothing is random, everything follows a pattern of behavior that is described in details in the Jewish religion.



Can we conclude that this god doesn't really want to be found or get its message across? If not, why isn't it obvious to everybody?[/QUOTE]

 

[Segev Moran]

What are those effects?

The forces of nature are an example.
The human behavior is another.
Why our brain works as it does, how can you change how your brain works.
The lack of chance in things that happen in your life. things might seem random to you, when you understand how God's creations work, you find that it is not so. things can be anticipated in your life. things happen as a consequence of your behaviors and actions.
Science begins to realize that today, but God explains it in far more details

 

[Segev Moran]

You keep saying this but never explain what the objective effects are. You also haven't explained why, if they are objective tests, people don't come to the same conclusions about them.

People who study the Torah in the right way come to the same conclusion.
People who try to learn things in other ways come to other conclusions.

 

[ratiocinator]

At the end there is only one God no matter what religion tries to describe it, its the same one.

This is actually a separate claim to those people who claim that the god of their religion is only one. You are multiplying gods, not reducing the number.

The objectivity here is simple.
No matter who you are, if you will follow simple things, you will find the same truth.

This is silly. Where is the objectivity in these "simple things" we're supposed to follow? How can they be discovered objectively (rather than just somebody telling us what they think they are)?

First you need to understand the Hebrew language.

Oh great, so there is no evidence for god unless you learn Hebrew!? Your god isn't at all interested in getting its message across, is it?

People who study the Torah in the right way come to the same conclusion.
People who try to learn things in other ways come to other conclusions.

Tell me this is a joke! Who decides the 'right' way? What is the objective reason to study the Torah? If I go to ten different people from different religions, denominations, sects, and cults, I'll likely get ten different 'right' ways and 'right' things to study.

You have presented nothing remotely objective.

 

[Polymath257]

AND -- what superstitions do animals have? They've been alive as species longer than humans, haven't they?

Well, most animals don't have the extensive cultural transmission of beliefs that we do. other than that, I have no idea what the specific superstitions that animals have. But I know my cat can act very superstitious at times.

 

[Polymath257]

I think you are looking for problems. <g> When I said "first" came planets, stars, etc., what I meant was that these things came FIRST BEFORE "life" on earth. See? Now do you understand what I meant? And to make it clearer, by "life" on earth I mean vegetation, animals, and humans. To the best of my knowledge, plants don't talk to one another. They don't have much decision-making capacity. Animals have some. Humans have more. Now you just go along and have a great day.

Actually, plants *do* communicate, but not with sound. They communicate with chemicals that they emit. But you are right, they don't have conscious decision making ability.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

AND -- what superstitions do animals have? They've been alive as species longer than humans, haven't they?

Some species maybe. Some others not. We have evidence that shows that nearly 700 species of cichlid fish endemic to Lake Victoria in Africa evolved in just the last 15,000 years.

Most other animals that we know of do not have the level of consciousness that humans have. Maybe some of the brighter species do have superstitions. Maybe for cetaceans, hell is a dry place and we are the demons that lurk there. I do not know.

 

[Polymath257]

I think you are looking for problems. <g> When I said "first" came planets, stars, etc., what I meant was that these things came FIRST BEFORE "life" on earth. See? Now do you understand what I meant? And to make it clearer, by "life" on earth I mean vegetation, animals, and humans. To the best of my knowledge, plants don't talk to one another. They don't have much decision-making capacity. Animals have some. Humans have more. Now you just go along and have a great day.

But, you also claimed that plants came before animals. That isn't correct.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Naturally. I don't think soil talks by virtue of "evolution" or soul migration, or element migration. Sometimes I realize people must come to their own conclusions about this.

I wonder where the idea originated of any ' soul migration ' comes from__________ It is definitely Not a Bible teaching.

 

[YoursTrue]

We were around for hundreds of thousands of years before those things came about. News papers have only been around for a few hundred years, with the first instruments appearing only about 40,000 years ago (which isn't very long considering the line of tool-using hominidea stretches back over 2 million years).

Took a long time for smart human beings to figure out these things, hmm? How do you know about the musical instruments? Those time estimates really do make humans to appear to be very stupid indeed, took such a long time. (Still, though, animals haven't figured out instruments or newspapers yet, have they? Despite the MUCH LONGER time they supposedly have been in existence. I mean even the one closest to man hasn't yet felt the need for instruments or newspapers, have they?)

 

[YoursTrue]

I wonder where the idea originated of any ' soul migration ' comes from__________ It is definitely Not a Bible teaching.

Exactly. Soul migration through soil? I mean, soil and soul are close words -- <joke>...

 

[YoursTrue]

But, you also claimed that plants came before animals. That isn't correct.

I was particularly speaking of animals that live on grasses and plants. But since you are the expert in these things, how do you feel about the following? "The fossil record is like a movie with most of the frames cut out. Because it is so incomplete, it can be difficult to establish exactly when particular evolutionary changes happened." (From New Scientist -- Timeline: The evolution of life)

 

[Subduction Zone]

I was particularly speaking of animals that live on grasses and plants. But since you are the expert in these things, how do you feel about the following? "The fossil record is like a movie with most of the frames cut out. Because it is so incomplete, it can be difficult to establish exactly when particular evolutionary changes happened." (From New Scientist -- Timeline: The evolution of life)

It does not matter if most of the record is missing. The fact that you won't face is that only the theory of evolution can explain the fossil record. Creationists fail almost immediately when they try to do so.


Since you do not understand the nature of evidence would you like to try to learn what is and what is not evidence in the world of the sciences? They have a very well laid out definition so that people cannot honestly say "that is no evidence". If there was evidence for creation and you used the scientific standards people could not honestly deny it.

 

[YoursTrue]

I wonder where the idea originated of any ' soul migration ' comes from__________ It is definitely Not a Bible teaching.

Many people would consider the entire episode in the Bible about Moses and the nation of Israel as a fantasy.

Since they can't why would you expect them to? Your examples tend to be always unreasonable. That means you are only making excuses and realize that you have already lost.

Why don't you try to find out why you are wrong/

I don't expect animals to publish newspapers. But the real question is: why don't they? (Don't they have the capacity to do so?) Oh, and to clarify, by animals I mean non-human animals.

 

[YoursTrue]

It does not matter if most of the record is missing. The fact that you won't face is that only the theory of evolution can explain the fossil record. Creationists fail almost immediately when they try to do so.


Since you do not understand the nature of evidence would you like to try to learn what is and what is not evidence in the world of the sciences? They have a very well laid out definition so that people cannot honestly say "that is no evidence". If there was evidence for creation and you used the scientific standards people could not honestly deny it.

Hahaha, it doesn't matter if most of the record is missing. I love it. Thanks!

 

[YoursTrue]

Still using bad examples. Aren't you at all curious to learn why you are wrong?

By the way, as long as you use excuses you are merely admitting that you are wrong.

I think the same of you but with more basis. Still you have no record of reason by evolution (archaeological proof) that apes (non-human apes, that is) ever published newspapers. Yet humans have the capacity to do so. Why? Human brains evolved to that point, you think?