The logical fallacy of atheism

[serp777]

Honestly, I'm good with that.

Only quacks and zealots demand any greater sense of absolute certainty. And often enough, a great deal less

Proving the higgs boson took less-- only 5 sigma! IT only has 99.9999998% certainty

 

[serp777]

That is what it means to believe, though--so it's not useless, at all.


Is that true?

Since when is belief useful besides conquering large cities and making billions of dollars?

 

[Willamena]

So now like generic viagra, there is a generic God. Generic God is still a particular God nonetheless--it is particular in the sense that it's the God that's not particular.

No, not generic, that's a different concept. Terms rely on concepts. The term 'god' refers to the concept.

 

[Willamena]

Since when is belief useful besides conquering large cities and making billions of dollars?

Do you believe it's not useful?

 

[Bunyip]

No, not generic, that's a different concept. Terms rely on concepts. The term 'god' refers to the concept.

And what concept is that? Unless you specify, the term is meaningless.

 

[Willamena]

That doesn't make sense Willamena, my point still stands. Unless the term "god" is clearly defined it is meaningless.


Check out this sentence:

I just made up the word "Blopentatious", it is a meaningless word.

See how I used the word "Blopentatious" meaningfully in a sentence, and yet it remains meaningless?

Terms are not made-up words.

 

[bobsadino]

This forum UI/UX hurt my head!

 

[serp777]

No, not generic, that's a different concept. Terms rely on concepts. The term 'god' refers to the concept.

The concept of what though? There are multiple concepts of God I can imagine.

 

[Bunyip]

Terms are not made-up words.

All words are made up to start with, including terms. Way to miss the point.

 

[serp777]

Do you believe it's not useful?

Well useful for what? For finding out the truth of reality, which is kind of what I was referring to? Not useful. For taking over large chunks of the world, political power, and making millions of dollars? it serves a variety of uses. It might serve an evolutionary use as well.

 

[Willamena]

And what concept is that? Unless you specify, the term is meaningless.

God...

 

[s2a]

Well useful for what? For finding out the truth of reality, which is kind of what I was referring to? Not useful. For taking over large chunks of the world, political power, and making millions of dollars? it serves a variety of uses. It might serve an evolutionary use as well.

Or not...

 

[Bunyip]

God...

And what do you mean by the term "God"?

 

[Willamena]

The concept of what though? There are multiple concepts of God I can imagine.

What makes them each a "concept of god?" What do they have in common?

 

[Willamena]

And what do you mean by the term "God"?

What matters is, what do you mean by it when you use it in a sentence and expect others to understand that sentence? That's the concept.

 

[Bunyip]

What matters is, what do you mean by it when you use it in a sentence and expect others to understand that sentence? That's the concept.

Yes, and unless I specify what I mean by it my sentence will be essentially meaningless.

Unless you define the concept, it means nothing.

How do you define the concept of god?

 

[serp777]

What makes them each a "concept of god?" What do they have in common?

They don't have anything in common.

One is an entity that is conscious, which fiddles with unimportant details of our lives.

The other is more like a force (unconscious but organized and seemingly intelligent) that picks out universes with stable constants endlessly.

Are you proposing a super God (E.G. the super class that all human made deities inherit from?)

Now it's an object oriented God with generics. Does that mean that God inherits from object though?

 

[Willamena]

They don't have anything in common.

One is an entity that is a conscious, which fiddles with unimportant details of our lives.

The other is more like a force (unconscious but organized and seemingly intelligent) that picks out universes with stable constants endlessly.

Are you proposing a super God (E.G. the super class that all human made deities inherit from?)

Now it's an object oriented God with generics. Does that mean that God inherits from object though?

I think they do have something in common--that's why you can say things like, "I can imagine multiple concepts of god," and fully expect your sentence to be understood without having to specify "concept of god."

What they have in common, what you've given them, is the concept "concept of god."

 

[Bunyip]

I think they do have something in common--that's why you can say things like, "I can imagine multiple concepts of god," and fully expect your sentence to be understood without having to specify "concept of god."

What they have in common, what you've given them, is the concept "concept of god."

And what exactly do YOU mean by that concept? How would YOU define the co cept of god?

 

[Willamena]

Yes, and unless I specify what I mean by it my sentence will be essentially meaningless.

And yet, you can and do use the term in sentences without specifying, and magically get understood.