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The Lord's Day, is it really Sunday?

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3rdAngel

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According to God's word..
In the old testament scriptures, Israel rested on the seventh day Sabbath..

According to God's word..in the new testament scriptures Christians rest in Jesus Christ..
This is why Jesus Christ said in
Matthew 11:28---"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest"

There you have Jesus Christ himself saying to come into him and he will give you rest..
Jesus Christ said nothing about giving you seventh day Sabbath rest..
But he will give you rest himself.

No one enters into God's rest (seventh day sabbath) *HEBREWS 4:1-5 without first believing and following God's Word (the Gospel) *HEBREWS 4:2; MATTHEW 11:28.

MATTHEW 11:28 does not say we are not to keep God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments. Or does it say God's 4th commandment is a Shadow law for which it would be impossible being made before sin and before law for all mankind *GENESIS 2:1-3; MARK 2:27. MATTHEW 11:29 says we enter into God's rest by believing and following God's Word and it is God's Word that says God's people obey God's Commandments by faith *ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 8:1-4; GALATIANS 5:16; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:4-10; REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14. Sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 3:6-10.

We only enter into God's rest which God's Word defines as the seventh day Sabbath as we believe and follow God's Word *HEBREWS 4:2; MATTHEW 11:28

HEBREWS 4:9 SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.
 

Faithofchristian

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No one enters into God's rest (seventh day sabbath) *HEBREWS 4:1-5 without first believing and following God's Word (the Gospel) *HEBREWS 4:2; MATTHEW 11:28.

MATTHEW 11:28 does not say we are not to keep God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments. Or does it say God's 4th commandment is a Shadow law for which it would be impossible being made before sin and before law for all mankind *GENESIS 2:1-3; MARK 2:27. MATTHEW 11:29 says we enter into God's rest by believing and following God's Word and it is God's Word that says God's people obey God's Commandments by faith *ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 8:1-4; GALATIANS 5:16; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:4-10; REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14. Sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 3:6-10.

We only enter into God's rest which God's Word defines as the seventh day Sabbath as we believe and follow God's Word *HEBREWS 4:2; MATTHEW 11:28

HEBREWS 4:9 SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.


It seems that your having such a hard time in keeping up with the program.

As for Hebrews 4:9. There is no where in that verse saying anything about the Sabbath..As your trying to imply it does..
Your just another typical Christian that goes about adding and deleting from God's word..
Here's Hebrews 4:9--"There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God"

Therefore there is no where in that Verse 9.
That makes any mentioning the Sabbath.

So how is it that you come the Sabbath..when verse 9 makes no mentioning of the Sabbath..

nice try..but try again..but this time post the verse without you adding anything to it.
 

3rdAngel

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It seems that your having such a hard time in keeping up with the program.

As for Hebrews 4:9. There is no where in that verse saying anything about the Sabbath..As your trying to imply it does..
Your just another typical Christian that goes about adding and deleting from God's word..
Here's Hebrews 4:9--"There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God"

Therefore there is no where in that Verse 9.
That makes any mentioning the Sabbath.

So how is it that you come the Sabbath..when verse 9 makes no mentioning of the Sabbath..

nice try..but try again..but this time post the verse without you adding anything to it.

Not really, seems like I am still waiting for you again ;). Perhaps you need to examine what the Greek says in connection with the chapter context you have left out?

The CONTEXT that you ignore here is in HEBREWS 4:1-5 which defines GOD'S REST as the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH with reference back to GENENSIS 2:1-3. That is the REST we are to enter into. Those that did not enter into GOD'S REST (SEVENTH DAY SABBATH) did not enter into God's REST because of SIN and UNBELIEF in the gosple of God's WORD.

HEBREWS 4:1-11
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into MY REST: ALTHOUGH THE WORKS WERE FINISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
[4], FOR HE SPOKE IN A CERTAIN PLACE (GENSIS 2:1-3) OF THE SEVENTH DAY ON THIS WISE, AND GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS.
[5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into MY REST.

NOTE
: CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD enter into that rest which God's WORD defines as the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH which is GOD'S REST! Let's continue...

6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismos means “a keeping of the Sabbath (noun).” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.” Sabbatizo is the verb form of sabbatismos

[10], For he that is entered into HIS REST (v9 God's SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11], LET US LABOR THEREFORE TO ENTER INTO THAT REST (God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST), lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (HEBREWS 3).

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CONCLUSION: HEBREWS 4 is talking about the Gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD; v29 Learn of me; v30 my burden (doing) is light. This agrees with Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. HEBREWS 4:1-11 is in reference to GOD'S REST which God's WORD defines is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH which is the CONTEXT shown in HEBREWS 4:1-5. HEBREWS 4 therefore with context added is saying that no one enter God's Sabbath rest if they do not BELIEVE AND FOLLOW God's WORD.

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GREEK INTERLINEAR

HEBREWS 4:9 άρα (Then) απολείπεται (there is left) σαββατισμός (a Sabbath rest) τω (to the) λαώ (people) του θεού (of God)

STRONGS LEXICON
So
ἄρα (ara) Conjunction Strong's Greek 686: Then, therefore, since. Probably from airo; a particle denoting an inference more or less decisive. there remains ἀπολείπεται (apoleipetai) Verb - Present Indicative Middle or Passive - 3rd Person Singular Strong's Greek 620: From apo and leipo; to leave behind; by implication, to forsake. a Sabbath rest σαββατισμὸς (sabbatismos) Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest. From a derivative of sabbaton; a 'sabbatism', i.e. the repose of Christianity. for the τῷ () Article - Dative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the. people λαῷ (laō) Noun - Dative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2992: Apparently a primary word; a people. of God. Θεοῦ (Theou) Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.

STRONGS CONCORDENCE
sabbatismos
: a sabbath rest Definition: a sabbath rest Usage (DOING): a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

STRONGS CONCORDENCE
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration:sabbatismos Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos') Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

THAYER'S GREEK LEXICON
STRONGS NT 4520: σαββατισμός σαββατισμός, σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);
1. a keeping sabbath. 2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians (R. V. sabbath rest): Hebrews 4:9. (Plutarch, de superstit. c. 3; ecclesiastical writings.)

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH (σαββατισμός sabbatismos). [Aramaic]

or parrallel..

HEBREWS 4:9 [9],THERE REMAINS THEN A SABBATH REST (σαββατισμός sabbatismos) FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD

Context matters please keep up ;).

Hope this helps
 
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Hawkins

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It doesn't matter, as all God wants is all mankind rest as God rests to adapt a 7 day working calendar. All mankind today is thus adapting the same calendar to work and rest.

The Jews needed to observe the Sabbath on Sat and to attend the church on Sun. Gradually Sun became the Day of the Lord.
 

3rdAngel

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It doesn't matter, as all God wants is all mankind rest as God rests to adapt a 7 day working calendar. All mankind today is thus adapting the same calendar to work and rest. The Jews needed to observe the Sabbath on Sat and to attend the church on Sun. Gradually Sun became the Day of the Lord.

Hi Hawkins nice to meet you. I would say, it depends if you believe the scriptures are God's Word or not. There is no scripture for the things you you are sharing in your post here. What do you think is more important; following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God; or believing and following God's Word?
 

3rdAngel

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Just trying to keep the thread back on topic...

Q. WHAT DAY IS THE "LORD'S DAY" ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE?

A.
MATTHEW 12:8 [8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Which day is the Lord's Day? THE SABBATH DAY (MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28)

God's WORD says that the SABBATH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY!

There is NO scripture that says Sunday or the FIRST DAY of the week is the Lords Day. God's Word says the Lord's day is the Sabbath day. This is the day God rested on, he set apart and made a Holy day at the completion of the creation week and made a memorial for all mankind (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). Jesus is the God of creation and he is the Lord of the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:27-28)

Can you show from the scriptures alone that Sunday is "THE LORDS DAY" if not why not? If we cannot are we following man made teachings that break the commandments of God that JESUS warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9?

May God bless you all as you seek him through his Word.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Just trying to keep the thread back on topic...

Q. WHAT DAY IS THE "LORD'S DAY" ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE?

A.
MATTHEW 12:8 [8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Which day is the Lord's Day? THE SABBATH DAY (MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28)

God's WORD says that the SABBATH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY!

There is NO scripture that says Sunday or the FIRST DAY of the week is the Lords Day. God's Word says the Lord's day is the Sabbath day. This is the day God rested on, he set apart and made a Holy day at the completion of the creation week and made a memorial for all mankind (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). Jesus is the God of creation and he is the Lord of the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:27-28)

Can you show from the scriptures alone that Sunday is "THE LORDS DAY" if not why not? If we cannot are we following man made teachings that break the commandments of God that JESUS warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9?

May God bless you all as you seek him through his Word.

the Lord's day..has nothing to do with Sunday or the Seventh day Sabbath.
The Lord's day is the second coming of Jesus Christ.

As described in Revelation 20:1-6 the thousand years being the Lord's day.
A thousand years being as one day unto the Lord and a day being a thousand years to the Lord.

As disciple John said in Revelation 1:10--
--"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet"

John was standing to give witness to the second coming of Christ Jesus and those thing just before the second coming of Christ Jesus.
All the way to the Lord Jesus Christ establishing his kingdom here on earth.

If you notice John was in the Spirit..
John was not of flesh and blood at this point..but of the Spirit.

Where as it is written that no one knows the day and hour of the return of Jesus Christ..
John was given to know that day and hour..
As it is all written down in Revelation chapter 11.
That now we can see what is to happen in that day and hour.
John wasn't given the precise day. But was given to know what is to happen on that day and hour.

The Lord Jesus Christ said in
Mark 13:23--"But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things"

Now if Jesus Christ did not foretold about that day and hour....Then Jesus Christ didn't foretell all things"
As Jesus Christ did say..that he foretold all things.
Therefore Jesus Christ foretold all about that day and hour in Revelation 11.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Words were invented to stand for something, and the terminology for "the Lord's Day" was created by the early Church to stand for Sunday observance, with "Lord" being a reference to Jesus. And I provided evidence for this previously from a non-denominational affiliated source, namely Wikipedia.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
the Lord's day..has nothing to do with Sunday or the Seventh day Sabbath.
The Lord's day is the second coming of Jesus Christ.

As described in Revelation 20:1-6 the thousand years being the Lord's day.
A thousand years being as one day unto the Lord and a day being a thousand years to the Lord.

As disciple John said in Revelation 1:10--
--"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet"

John was standing to give witness to the second coming of Christ Jesus and those thing just before the second coming of Christ Jesus.
All the way to the Lord Jesus Christ establishing his kingdom here on earth.

If you notice John was in the Spirit..
John was not of flesh and blood at this point..but of the Spirit.

Where as it is written that no one knows the day and hour of the return of Jesus Christ..
John was given to know that day and hour..
As it is all written down in Revelation chapter 11.
That now we can see what is to happen in that day and hour.
John wasn't given the precise day. But was given to know what is to happen on that day and hour.

The Lord Jesus Christ said in
Mark 13:23--"But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things"

Now if Jesus Christ did not foretold about that day and hour....Then Jesus Christ didn't foretell all things"
As Jesus Christ did say..that he foretold all things.
Therefore Jesus Christ foretold all about that day and hour in Revelation 11.

Your just repeating yourself here brother. This has already been answered some time back. Your mixing up the second coming and the judgments of God (The day of the Lord) with the Sabbath (God's ownership as creator that he blessed and made holy) which is "THE LORDS DAY" *Matthew 12:8 which is the context of Revelation 1:9-10. Context determines application. Day of the Lord is normally applied in reference to the second coming and the judgments of God while the Lords day is in reference to the Lords ownership of the day. "In the Spirit on the Lords' Day" *Revelation 1:9 is in reference to the day John was in the Spirit of and not to the second coming as the context is in the Holy place in the Heavenly Sanctuary speaking with JESUS.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Words were invented to stand for something, and the terminology for "the Lord's Day" was created by the early Church to stand for Sunday observance, with "Lord" being a reference to Jesus. And I provided evidence for this previously from a non-denominational affiliated source, namely Wikipedia.
If that were true please provide the scriptures that show Sunday or the first day of the week is "THE LORDS DAY? According to the scriptures the SABBATH DAY is the LORDS DAY not Sunday.

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WHAT DAY IS THE "LORD'S DAY" ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE?

A.
MATTHEW 12:8 [8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Which day is the Lord's Day? THE SABBATH DAY (MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28)

God's WORD says that the SABBATH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY!

There is NO scripture that says Sunday or the FIRST DAY of the week is the Lords Day. God's Word says the Lord's day is the Sabbath day. This is the day God rested on, he set apart and made a Holy day at the completion of the creation week and made a memorial for all mankind (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). Jesus is the God of creation and he is the Lord of the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:27-28)

Can you show from the scriptures alone that Sunday is "THE LORDS DAY" if not why not? If we cannot are we following man made teachings that break the commandments of God that JESUS warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9?
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Your just repeating yourself here brother. This has already been answered some time back. Your mixing up the second coming and the judgments of God (The day of the Lord) with the Sabbath (God's ownership as creator that he blessed and made holy) which is "THE LORDS DAY" *Matthew 12:8 which is the context of Revelation 1:9-10. Context determines application. Day of the Lord is normally applied in reference to the second coming and the judgments of God while the Lords day is in reference to the Lords ownership of the day. "In the Spirit on the Lords' Day" *Revelation 1:9 is in reference to the day John was in the Spirit of and not to the second coming as the context is in the Holy place in the Heavenly Sanctuary speaking with JESUS.


Nope not at all..
As you have no clue or idea, What the Lord's day is.
Your mixing the Lord's day with Sunday and the seventh day Sabbath.
Which the Lord's day has nothing to do as a day of worship.

The Lord's day is the second coming of Christ Jesus.

When was standing in Spirit on the Lord's day..
This being just before the second coming of Christ Jesus and after the second coming of Jesus Christ.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Nope not at all..
As you have no clue or idea, What the Lord's day is.
Your mixing the Lord's day with Sunday and the seventh day Sabbath.
Which the Lord's day has nothing to do as a day of worship.

The Lord's day is the second coming of Christ Jesus.

When was standing in Spirit on the Lord's day..
This being just before the second coming of Christ Jesus and after the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Yet here you still are quoting your own words and not addressing the scriptures and the post showing your application to conext is in error? Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear.

You mix up the second coming and the judgments of God (The day of the Lord) with the Sabbath (God's ownership as creator that he blessed and made holy) which is "THE LORDS DAY" *Matthew 12:8. This is provien in Revelation 1:9 as the context is John's discussion with JESUS in the Heavenly Sanctuary. Context determines application.

"In the Spirit on the Lords' Day" *Revelation 1:9 is in reference to the day John was in the Spirit of and not to the second coming as the context is in the Holy place in the Heavenly Sanctuary speaking with JESUS.

While The Day of the Lord is applied in reference to the second coming and the judgments of God "THE LORDS DAY" is in reference to the Lords ownership of the day κυριακός; kuriakos From G2962; belonging to the Lord (Jehovah or Jesus): - Lord's. The scripture does not say "Day of the Lord". The scripture says "THE LORDS DAY". Your trying to make the scriptures say things they do not day.

In Revelation 1:9, John was referring to JESUS as the creator God of heaven and earth when he was saying he was "In the Spirit" to "THE LORDS DAY" this is in reference to the scriptures...

MATTHEW 12:8 For the son of man is LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

John was "In the Spirit" (in vision) in God's Spirit on the Sabbath day...

There is only one day that God has set apart from all the other days of the week that God rested on in creation however and blessed and set apart as a holy day of rest for all mankind that he calls HIS REST or HIS HOLY DAY...

ISAIAH 58:13-14 [13], If you turn away your foot from the sabbath, from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shall honor him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words: [14], Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.

EXODUS 31:13 Speak you also to the children of Israel, saying, TRULY MY SABBATHS you shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the LORD that does sanctify you.

LEVITICUS 19:3 You shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and KEEP MY SABBATHS: I am the LORD your God.

LEVITICUS 19:30 You shall keep MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

LEVITICUS 26:2 You shall keep MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

ISAIAH 56:4 For thus said the LORD to the eunuchs that keep MY SABBATHS, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

EZEKIEL 20:12 Moreover also I gave them MY SABBATHS, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

EZEKIEL 20:13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and MY SABBATHS they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

EZEKIEL 20:16 Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted MY SABBATHS: for their heart went after their idols.

EZEKIEL 20:20 And hallow MY SABBATHS; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God.

EZEKIEL 20:21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted MY SABBATHS: then I said, I would pour out my fury on them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.

EZEKIEL 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted MY SABBATHS, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.

EZEKIEL 22:8 You have despised my holy things, and have profaned MY SABBATHS.

EZEKIEL 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned my holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they showed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from MY SABBATHS, and I am profaned among them.

EZEKIEL 23:38 Moreover this they have done to me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned MY SABBATHS.

EZEKIEL 44:24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all my assemblies; and they shall hallow MY SABBATHS.

So coming back to the new testament...

WHICH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY
*Revelation 1:9? (we are not talking about the day of the Lord)

FOR THE SON OF MEN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY *MATTHEW 12:8

Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear.
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Yet here you still are quoting your own words and not addressing the scriptures and the post showing your application to conext is in error? Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear.

You mix up the second coming and the judgments of God (The day of the Lord) with the Sabbath (God's ownership as creator that he blessed and made holy) which is "THE LORDS DAY" *Matthew 12:8. This is provien in Revelation 1:9 as the context is John's discussion with JESUS in the Heavenly Sanctuary. Context determines application.

"In the Spirit on the Lords' Day" *Revelation 1:9 is in reference to the day John was in the Spirit of and not to the second coming as the context is in the Holy place in the Heavenly Sanctuary speaking with JESUS.

While The Day of the Lord is applied in reference to the second coming and the judgments of God "THE LORDS DAY" is in reference to the Lords ownership of the day κυριακός; kuriakos From G2962; belonging to the Lord (Jehovah or Jesus): - Lord's.

John was referring to JESUS as the creator God of heaven and earth when he was referring to "THE LORDS DAY" this is in reference to the scriptures...

MATTHEW 12:8 For the son of man is LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

There is only one day that God has set apart from all the other days of the week that God rested on in creation however and blessed and set apart as a holy day of rest for all mankind that he calls HIS REST or HIS HOLY DAY...

ISAIAH 58:13-14 [13], If you turn away your foot from the sabbath, from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shall honor him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words: [14], Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.

EXODUS 31:13 Speak you also to the children of Israel, saying, TRULY MY SABBATHS you shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the LORD that does sanctify you.

LEVITICUS 19:3 You shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and KEEP MY SABBATHS: I am the LORD your God.

LEVITICUS 19:30 You shall keep MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

LEVITICUS 26:2 You shall keep MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

ISAIAH 56:4 For thus said the LORD to the eunuchs that keep MY SABBATHS, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

EZEKIEL 20:12 Moreover also I gave them MY SABBATHS, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

EZEKIEL 20:13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and MY SABBATHS they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

EZEKIEL 20:16 Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted MY SABBATHS: for their heart went after their idols.

EZEKIEL 20:20 And hallow MY SABBATHS; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God.

EZEKIEL 20:21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted MY SABBATHS: then I said, I would pour out my fury on them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.

EZEKIEL 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted MY SABBATHS, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.

EZEKIEL 22:8 You have despised my holy things, and have profaned MY SABBATHS.

EZEKIEL 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned my holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they showed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from MY SABBATHS, and I am profaned among them.

EZEKIEL 23:38 Moreover this they have done to me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned MY SABBATHS.

EZEKIEL 44:24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all my assemblies; and they shall hallow MY SABBATHS.

So coming back to the new testament...

WHICH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY?

FOR THE SON OF MEN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY *MATTHEW 12:8

Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear.


With all that you still haven't prove a thing.
Nice try though
 

3rdAngel

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With all that you still haven't prove a thing.
Nice try though

They are God's Word not mine and they show why your in error. Context matters and you are trying to make the scriptures say things that they do not say. Do the scriptures in Revelation 1:9 say "THE DAY OF THE LORD"? Or do they say "THE LORDS DAY"? If revelation 1:9 says John was in the Spirit on "THE LORDS DAY", why do you not believe God's Word and why are you trying to make the scripture say soemthing that it is not saying? Ignoring God's Word does not make them disappear.
 
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Faithofchristian

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They are God's Word not mine and they show why your in error. Context matters and you are trying to make the scriptures say things that they do not say. Do the scriptures in Revelation 1:9 say "THE DAY OF THE LORD"? Or do they say "THE LORDS DAY"? Ignoring God's Word does not make them disappear ;)


Then why are you ignoring God's Word?
 

3rdAngel

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Then why are you ignoring God's Word?
These are your words ignoring God's Word. Please, let me know when you have something intelligent to say and you wish to respond to the content of my post that show from the scriptures why you are in error. All your doing is avoiding and ignoring the scriptures provided to you and only sent in love as a help to you.
 

Faithofchristian

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These are your words ignoring God's Word. Please, let me know when you have something intelligent to say and you wish to respond to the content of my post that show from the scriptures why you are in error. All your doing is avoiding and ignoring the scriptures provided to you and only sent in love as a help to you.

I have you the scriptures but you yourself ignore them. So please let me know when you have something of intelligent to say
 

3rdAngel

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I have you the scriptures but you yourself ignore them. So please let me know when you have something of intelligent to say
No you haven't you have simply ignored the posts and the scriptures that show why you are in error. Context matters and you are trying to make the scriptures say things that they do not say. Do the scriptures in Revelation 1:9 say "THE DAY OF THE LORD"? Or do they say "THE LORDS DAY"? If Revelation 1:9 says John was in the Spirit on "THE LORDS DAY", why do you not believe God's Word and why are you trying to make the scripture say soemthing that it is not saying? Ignoring God's Word does not make them disappear.
 
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