"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[Soapy]

Why are you arguing with the scriptures. If God says it of course it is true. As posted earlier according to the scriptures there is no such thing as the Jewish Sabbath. Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for all mankind in Mark 2:27. There was no Jew when God created the Sabbath for mankind, only Adam and Eve who were created on the sixth day of the creation week (see Genesis 1:26-31 and Genesis 2:1-3). If you are working on the Sabbath then yes you are breaking the Sabbath, see the above and read the commandment...

• EXODUS 20:8-11 8, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9, Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: 10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: 11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Of course we can do good on the Sabbath as the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath (see Mark 2:27 and Matthew 12:1-12).

Of course Jesus is God that is what the scriptures teach as already shown to you in many scriptures that you refuse to believe (e.g. John 1:1-4; Hebrews 1:1-2,Hebrews 1:8-12 Colossians 1:16 etc). Those scriptures are Gods' Words not my words and they state that Jesus is God verbatim.

Now why would I bother Soapy? You are the one doing repetitive discourse and are the one unwilling to enter into a discussion. You provide your words (rhetoric) arguing against Gods' Word (which are not rhetoric BTW) and refuse to discuss post and scripture content that is in disagreement with you.

Hmm seems like more untruthfulness on your part. Please post me a link to where your questions have not been answered with a detailed scripture response? If you cannot why make untruthful claims you are not able to support with any evidence? You have no evidence for your claim here now do you Soapy? So why make statements that are not truthful bearing false witness? I will leave that between you and God to work through. Once again quoting scripture is evidence that what you teach is not biblical it is not rhetoric.

I see you are once again not addressing a single thing in the post you are responding to. In the previous section you make false claims that I do not answer your questions and right here you contradict yourself saying that I do answer your questions with supporting scripture. Now the next part I have issue with. Either the scriptures posted to you are evidence supporting what is being shared with you or they are not. If you believe they are not relevant than prove your claims. If you cannot why not instead simply believe and follow what Gods' Word says and be blessed?

If you actually spent some time reading and responding to what was posted to you then you would know I already addressed this in the very post you are quoting from. Above are your words in disagreement with Gods' Words that teach, no one worships God in Spirit and in truth if they do not believe and follow what Gods' Word says (see Matthew 15:3-9; Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 2:3-4). How can you worship God in Spirit and in truth when it is God's Word that is the very definition of Spirit and truth as shown in John 17:17 and John 6:63? Go check the scriptures. No one worships God in Spirit and in truth if they do not believe and follow what Gods' Word says. The Word of God is the very definition of Spirit and truth. So if Gods' Word in Gods' 4th commandment says to keep the seventh day Sabbath as a holy day of rest or do not commit adultery and you break Gods' Sabbath and go out and commit adultery are you worshiping God in Spirit and in truth when you are not believing and obeying what Gods's Word says? - Of course not (see James 2:10-11). According to the scriptures if we do not believe and follow what Gods' Word says we are sinning against God and not worshiping God in Spirit and in truth. (see Matthew 15:3-9). The rest of your post is irrelevant to what you are responding to so does not need a response.

Take Care.

Of course you would say that what I’m saying is irrelevant since it directly speaks against your line of reasoning (if that is what it could even be called!)

You say that Jesus is God… but then you say God this and God that against the claim that Jesus is that same ‘God’.

No! 3rdAngel, you know you are wrong but just cannot admit it since your belief is just as dramatically wrong as your repetitive rhetoric about Sabbath Day.

I mean, like: ‘God raised up Jesus from the dead’.

Are ‘God’ and ‘Jesus’ the same person. No!

Jesus was created when the spirit of God overshadowed Mary the virgin.

Jesus was made Christ when the spirit of God was used to anointed Jesus at his baptism.

Jesus did no miracles prior to being anointed because the miraculous things Jesus did was because ‘God was in him [by God’s Spirit]’.

No one of the disciple nor apostles ever believed that Jesus was the almighty God that they worshipped as their deity… even agreeing, I would suggest, that ‘No one has seen God at any time’. Do you believe that no one has seen God at any time - that which Jesus said, it is Scriptures, isn’t it?

Yet you say over 50,000 and many more people saw God!

And define ‘God’? Is it not ‘Father, Son, and Holy Spirit’?

So when the people saw Jesus they were seeing almighty God - who ‘came unto his own but his own did not receive him!’

So Jesus-God came to the Jews………..!!! But the Jews did not receive him!!! God came to his own people: the Jews… the Jews unto whom he gave the law: ‘Remember the Sabbath day…’:

• “[The seventh day] will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’” (Exo 31:17)

Do you believe that the world was created in six earth rotations - six earth days?

And what of this command:

• “Thou shalt not kill” (Exo 20:13)
• “Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” (Exo 22:27)

Yet the Jews stoned to death (killed) those they considered as ‘Breakers of the laws of God’. Yet they remained ‘The people of the one true God who gave them the laws’.
Are those who worship God on a day that is not Friday sun down to Saturday sun down, evil people as you are implying?

In fact, out of interest with respect to the topic we are discussing, do you do any ‘secular’ work between Friday sun down and Saturday sun down

 

[Soapy]

What?

This works both ways of course, Soapy.

But I didn’t. Re-read.

Evidence please?

The evidence is the scriptures itself.

Re-read. Scripture says the Word, not the word.
The Word is a Person
The word is a thing.

Wrong. There is no capitalisation in the Greek. The word of God is just that: the utterance of the one true God: His word - his utterance(s):

1. ‘Let there be light!’
2. ‘Salvation shall be from the seed of a woman’ (paraphrased)
3. ‘I will make you (Abraham) a nation more numerous than the stars’ (paraphrased)
4. ‘You are my son (Jesus), this day I (Yahweh God) have become your Father!’

Nope. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”.

There is no capitalisation from the Greek. The term, ‘the Word of God’ is stolen from the book of Revelation where Jesus Christ is seen on a white horse with the title ‘The Word of God’ written on him. Jesus Christ is, at that time, raised up to heaven BY GOD and is bringing righteousness to the nations as written in Isaiah 42:1.

There was no ‘Christ’ in the beginning… ‘Christ’ means ‘Anointed’ and Jesus was made to be Christ 30 years after he was born.

Correct. No third entity; in fact no first or second entity either. Trinitarians do not claim three entities. You are creating strawmen right, left and center, Soapy.
The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. They are not three gods but only one God.
The Father is not the Son
The Son is not the Spirit,
The Spirit is not the Father,
But each is God individually and yet they are together the one true God of the Bible.
The Godhead refers to God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit as three divine Persons in one God.

You could not do better than agree that there was no three person entity ‘in the beginning’. In fact there is no three person entity at any time.

Where do you find the word ‘Godhead’ in the scriptures?

Where does anyone refer to a ‘Godhead’ in scriptures?

Isn’t that just taught by Trinitarians since they cannot reconcile how Jesus is God yet the only true God is only ever referred to as being ‘The Father’.

So, if the Father is God, then Jesus, in your belief, is also the Father…. Doesn’t it say in scriptures by Jesus:

• ‘I and the Father are one!!’

So there you are: TWO…. in your belief - not three!

But Jesus alludes to the Father as ‘His God’… so Jesus cannot be God if his Father is the only true God - for sure there cannot be two ONLY TRUE GOD!!

A very poor analogy. There is no ‘owner’. The Holy Spirit is the very opposite of a computer; God is the very opposite of a robot. What a truly awful thing to suggest!

‘Poor’… is that your word for ‘Truthful’?

Correct. Christ is the new Adam, …

You could not deny this although most of your trinitarian colleagues do…! So good on you!

…the Second Person of the Trinity.

How do you claim that Jesus is GOD but SECONDARY to God? Isn’t God ONE! How can there be RANKS in a ONE UNIT “GODHEAD” (your term!)? I guess the answer is that false claims require false premises - and you just proved that!!

Soapy, how does my version differ from yours? Look carefully.

The difference is that no matter what if seems, yours leads to fallacious beliefs whereas mine leads to the truth - indeed, is the truth!

*You are still running away from #1873 /1874.
I wonder why?

Are you saying this because you learnt this repetitive deceitful methodology from 3rdAngel and your use of it against SZ?

Scriptures is not a thing to be debated with certain people - and you are certainly one such person whose debate is childish and so ‘entry level’ as to be simply a waste of my time except to reenforce renderings of the truth to those who read these threads.

I wonder if 3rdAngel is going to jump in here and ask you to PROVE THAT Jesus IS GOD….!!! Then you and he can accuse each other like Satan fighting Satan!!

 

[101G]

Your post here is simply your words denying Gods' Words (scripture) and makes no sense and and neither does it answer a single scripture posted to you that states word for word from the scriptures that Jesus is the God of creation. Did you want to have another try? Read what the scriptures say...

see my post at Your Christian Identity

The scriptures teach that Jesus is the God of creation. I have never said that Jesus did it alone and posted scripture stating this from

Jesus is the God of Creation, but not as Son.

and yes, he was "ALONE", and "BY HIMSELF", scripture, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

so, argue with God, not 101G.

101G.

 

[101G]

The day that God blessed and made a holy day of rest for mankind which was the "seventh day" of the week (see Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3). There was only Adam and Eve when God made the Sabbath for all mankind so yes. According to the scriptures mankind (Adam and Eve) where created on the 6th day of the creation week (Genesis 1:26-31)

I didn't ask you all of that, .... did God rest from his work or told Adam or Eve to rest from their Work.... think twice before you answer.

101G.

 

[101G]

The scriptures in John 4:23-24 are indeed truth. However, according to the scriptures, no one worships God in Spirit and in truth if they do not believe and obey what Gods' Word says. How can you worship God in Spirit and in truth when it is God's Word that is the very definition of Spirit and truth as shown in John 17:17 and John 6:63? Go check the scriptures.

again, did Adam and Eve rested on the 7th. day commanded by God for them? if so post scripture to that command.

101G.

 

[Soapy]

see my post at Your Christian Identity

Jesus is the God of Creation, but not as Son.

and yes, he was "ALONE", and "BY HIMSELF", scripture, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

so, argue with God, not 101G.

101G.

You are right according to scriptures.

There are no true scriptures that teaches that Jesus created anything. The ones trinitarians use from the scriptures are false ones forceably mistranslated. It is obvious by the fact that they first claim one thing then claim another even against what is written elsewhere stating that the Father created all things!

Jesus BECAME (or SHALL BECOME) the ruler over all creation at the end of time. So how was he the creator of all things if he only becomes it’s owner when God grants if to him?

And I’m eager to see what response 3rdAngel is going to give to the proof that Jesus created everything (or even anything).

 

[Soapy]

Your response here..

The day that God blessed and made a holy day of rest for mankind which was the "seventh day" of the week (see Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3).

If Adam was created on the sixth day, he then had not done any work to rest from the day after he was created. Is this true?

But then, Adam being created on the sixth day meant that he named all the animals on that same day he was created and was put to sleep and Eve was created from the feminine traits out of him (called ‘Rib’)!

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Did I say otherwise?

Most Christians think that only Christians worship God in spirit and truth. I'm happy to hear you are of a different mind on that.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ That was my point. You were the one trying to claim a Roman Sabbath (Sunday) while the scriptures state that the Sabbath of Gods' 4th commandment is the "seventh day" of the week that God blessed and made a holy day of rest for all mankind. You keep quoting man-made teachings and traditions over the scriptures. Jesus warns about this in Matthew 15:3-9.

Your response here...

No, 3rdAngel, the word ‘Sabbath’ means ‘Rest’ or more specifically in a religious context, ‘Day of rest from weekly work in order to devote to worshipping God’.
So, anyone who devotes a day of rest from their weekly work and uses that day to glorify and worship God is satisfying the law of the Sabbath day. Many people do not work straight Monday to Sunday (Sunday to Saturday) and therefore their sixth day of weekly work does not always fall on Thursday sun down to Friday sun down: the Jewish sixth day, such that they can proclaim their sabbath day on Friday sun down to Saturday sun down. Ate such persons breaking the Sabbath Law and are therefore guilty of sin against the law of God concerning the Jewish Sabbath day?

Please stop making things up Soapy. Sabbath does not mean rest at all. The was proven already to you in post # 1689 linked that you ignored and it seems you did not even bother to read or respond to earlier. The liked post proves that the Hebrew, Greek and scripture definition of Sabbath is "the seventh day of the week". There is no such thing as a Jewish Sabbath according to the scriptures, because there were no Jews when Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for all mankind (see Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3). Lets be honest Soapy there is not a single thing you have said here that can be supported by scripture. Breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments is sin according to the scriptures *see James 2:10-11; 1 John 2:3-4; Romans 7:7 and Romans 3:20. As shown in the scriptures earlier there is no such thing as a Roman Sabbath and the biblical Hebrew, Greek and scripture definitions if Sabbath is "the seventh day of the week" as proven in the linked post you ignored and refused to respond to above.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ Why are you arguing with the scriptures. If God says it of course it is true. As posted earlier according to the scriptures there is no such thing as the Jewish Sabbath. Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for all mankind in Mark 2:27. There was no Jew when God created the Sabbath for mankind, only Adam and Eve who were created on the sixth day of the creation week (see Genesis 1:26-31 and Genesis 2:1-3). If you are working on the Sabbath then yes you are breaking the Sabbath, see the above and read the commandment...

• EXODUS 20:8-11 8, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9, Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: 10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: 11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Of course we can do good on the Sabbath as the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath (see Mark 2:27 and Matthew 12:1-12).

Of course Jesus is God that is what the scriptures teach as already shown to you in many scriptures that you refuse to believe (e.g. John 1:1-4; Hebrews 1:1-2,Hebrews 1:8-12 Colossians 1:16 etc). Those scriptures are Gods' Words not my words and they state that Jesus is God verbatim.

Now why would I bother Soapy? You are the one doing repetitive discourse and are the one unwilling to enter into a discussion. You provide your words (rhetoric) arguing against Gods' Word (which are not rhetoric BTW) and refuse to discuss post and scripture content that is in disagreement with you.

Hmm seems like more untruthfulness on your part. Please post me a link to where your questions have not been answered with a detailed scripture response? If you cannot why make untruthful claims you are not able to support with any evidence? You have no evidence for your claim here now do you Soapy? So why make statements that are not truthful bearing false witness? I will leave that between you and God to work through. Once again quoting scripture is evidence that what you teach is not biblical it is not rhetoric.

I see you are once again not addressing a single thing in the post you are responding to. In the previous section you make false claims that I do not answer your questions and right here you contradict yourself saying that I do answer your questions with supporting scripture. Now the next part I have issue with. Either the scriptures posted to you are evidence supporting what is being shared with you or they are not. If you believe they are not relevant than prove your claims. If you cannot why not instead simply believe and follow what Gods' Word says and be blessed?

If you actually spent some time reading and responding to what was posted to you then you would know I already addressed this in the very post you are quoting from. Above are your words in disagreement with Gods' Words that teach, no one worships God in Spirit and in truth if they do not believe and follow what Gods' Word says (see Matthew 15:3-9; Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 2:3-4). How can you worship God in Spirit and in truth when it is God's Word that is the very definition of Spirit and truth as shown in John 17:17 and John 6:63? Go check the scriptures. No one worships God in Spirit and in truth if they do not believe and follow what Gods' Word says. The Word of God is the very definition of Spirit and truth. So if Gods' Word in Gods' 4th commandment says to keep the seventh day Sabbath as a holy day of rest or do not commit adultery and you break Gods' Sabbath and go out and commit adultery are you worshiping God in Spirit and in truth when you are not believing and obeying what Gods's Word says? - Of course not (see James 2:10-11). According to the scriptures if we do not believe and follow what Gods' Word says we are sinning against God and not worshiping God in Spirit and in truth. (see Matthew 15:3-9). The rest of your post is irrelevant to what you are responding to so does not need a response.

Your response here

Of course you would say that what I’m saying is irrelevant since it directly speaks against your line of reasoning (if that is what it could even be called!

No not at all Soapy. Your line of reasoning is proven false by the scriptures and the post content you refuse to discuss that are in disagreement with you. All you provide here are your words (rhetoric) arguing with Gods Words (the scriptures). This is why you lose this debate because you are unable to prove what you say and are unwilling to address the post content and the scriptures that are in disagreement with you.

You say that Jesus is God… but then you say God this and God that against the claim that Jesus is that same ‘God’.

Once again, lets be honest Soapy. It was the scriptures provided to you stating that Jesus was the God of creation. They were God's words not my words (e.g. John 1:1-4; Hebrews 1:1-2,Hebrews 1:8-12 Colossians 1:16 etc) that you are arguing against with your words that are not Gods Words.

No! 3rdAngel, you know you are wrong but just cannot admit it since your belief is just as dramatically wrong as your repetitive rhetoric about Sabbath Day.

Soapy, why be dishonest again? Where have I ever said to you that I am wrong when I am providing scripture that disagrees with you and you are unwilling to discuss it? Once again I have been providing scripture that is in disagreement with you. In response you provide your words that are not scripture arguing against God's Word that you call rhetoric. Truthfully though all can see that it is your words unsupported by scripture that is rhetoric.

I mean, like: ‘God raised up Jesus from the dead’. Are ‘God’ and ‘Jesus’ the same person. No!

No one ever said to you that God the father and Jesus are the same person so why pretend that is what I have said to you?

 

[3rdAngel]

Jesus was created when the spirit of God overshadowed Mary the virgin.Jesus was made Christ when the spirit of God was used to anointed Jesus at his baptism.

Wrong Jesus was before creation and the God of creation as shown word for word in the scriptures that disagree with your words that are unsupported by the scriptures (e.g. John 1:1-4; Hebrews 1:1-2,Hebrews 1:8-12 Colossians 1:16 etc). Receive Gods correction and be blessed Soapy. Ignoring Gods' Words does not make them disappear. According to Jesus the words of God we accept or reject will become our judge come judgement day (see John 12:47-48)

Jesus did no miracles prior to being anointed because the miraculous things Jesus did was because ‘God was in him [by God’s Spirit]’.

According to the scriptures, Jesus did not come to live as a God on earth Soapy. He came to live as a man to fulfill all righteousness and to die as God sacrifice for the sins of the whole world once and for all so that we can receive Gods forgiveness of sin. (see John 1:1-4; 14; Hebrews 10:10; Philippians 2:5-8).

No one of the disciple nor apostles ever believed that Jesus was the almighty God that they worshipped as their deity… even agreeing, I would suggest, that ‘No one has seen God at any time’. Do you believe that no one has seen God at any time - that which Jesus said, it is Scriptures, isn’t it?

Soapy these are your words (rhetoric) above that have no truth in them arguing with Gods Words that show the disciples believing Jesus was God...

• John 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

• Titus 2:13 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

• Hebrews 1:8 8 But of the Son he (the Father) says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

• Matthew 1:23 23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” which means, God with us.

• John 1:1-4 ;14 1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2, The same was in the beginning with God. 3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 14, And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

• 2 Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ

So when the people saw Jesus they were seeing almighty God - who ‘came unto his own but his own did not receive him!’ So Jesus-God came to the Jews………..!!! But the Jews did not receive him!!!

That is what the scripture say; *see John 1:1-14

God came to his own people: the Jews… the Jews unto whom he gave the law: ‘Remember the Sabbath day…’:“[The seventh day] will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’” (Exo 31:17)

Ok what was your point? You did not make one.

Do you believe that the world was created in six earth rotations - six earth days?

I believe what the bible says - Genesis 1 - Genesis 2:1-3

And what of this command:“Thou shalt not kill” (Exo 20:13) “Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” (Exo 22:27)

Exodus 28:13, the Hebrew word for kill is H7523; רָצַח (râtsach | raw-tsakh') and means killing by murder. Exodus 22:27 is Gods judgement on those committing idolatry after God had already told them not to in Exodus 20:1-17. You do err not understanding the scriptures you are arguing against.

Take Care

 

[3rdAngel]

see my post at Your Christian Identity

I saw your post it was simply your words in disagreement with the scriptures you refuse to respond to that are in disagreement with you.
Your post here is simply your words denying Gods' Words (scripture) and makes no sense and and neither does it answer a single scripture posted to you that states word for word from the scriptures that Jesus is the God of creation. Did you want to have another try? Read what the scriptures say...

• JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

• HEBREWS 1:1-2 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS; 3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

• HEBREWS 1:8-12 8, BUT TO THE SON HE SAID, YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOR EVER AND EVER: A SCEPTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM. 9, You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows. 10, AND, YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING HAVE LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH; AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS: 11, They shall perish; but you remain; and they all shall wax old as does a garment; 12, And as a clothing shall you fold them up, and they shall be changed: but you are the same, and your years shall not fail.

• COLOSSIANS 1:16 16 FOR BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, LIN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THRONES OR DOMINIONS OR RULERS OR AUTHORITIES. ALL THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM.

The scriptures teach that Jesus is the God of creation. I have never said that Jesus did it alone and posted scripture stating this from

• GENESIS 1:26 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing

• GENESIS 3:22 “Then the Lord God said, BEHOLD, THE MAN HAS BECOME LIKE ONE OF US, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and also take from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.”

Take your time to re-read the posts shared with you and the scriptures in disagreement with you.

Jesus is the God of Creation, but not as Son.

Agreed Jesus created all things as God as it is written in the scriptures as proven in the previous section

and yes, he was "ALONE", and "BY HIMSELF", scripture, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"so, argue with God, not 101G.

No I am arguing against your words that are arguing against Gods Words (scripture). Yes Jesus is the God of creation as shown in the scriptures provided above. The creation of mankind however is very different because it is plural application.

• GENESIS 1:26 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing

• GENESIS 3:22 “Then the Lord God said, BEHOLD, THE MAN HAS BECOME LIKE ONE OF US, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and also take from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.”

There is nothing in Isaiah 44:24 that says that God was alone at creation. LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS is plural meaning and the scripture context is to the making of mankind. (Genesis 1:26-31). You do err not knowing scripture.[/QUOTE]

 

[3rdAngel]

101G said: ↑ did man rest from his work or did God? Genesis 2:1 "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them." Genesis 2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made."now I ask again did Adam rested, or God? 101G.

Your response here...

3rdAngel said: ↑ The day that God blessed and made a holy day of rest for mankind which was the "seventh day" of the week (see Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3). There was only Adam and Eve when God made the Sabbath for all mankind so yes. According to the scriptures mankind (Adam and Eve) where created on the 6th day of the creation week (Genesis 1:26-31)

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I didn't ask you all of that, .... did God rest from his work or told Adam or Eve to rest from their Work.... think twice before you answer.
101G.

You were answered. God rested and blessed and made the seventh day of the week a holy day of rest (see Genesis 2:1-3). Jesus says that God blessed and made the seventh day of the week a holy day of rest for all mankind in Mark 2:27. There is was only Adam and Eve when God made the Sabbath for all mankind according to the scriptures. No need to think twice just believe the scriptures.

 

[3rdAngel]

again, did Adam and Eve rested on the 7th. day commanded by God for them? if so post scripture to that command..

See previous post. God rested and blessed and made the seventh day of the week a holy day of rest (see Genesis 2:1-3). Jesus says that God blessed and made the seventh day of the week a holy day of rest for all mankind in Mark 2:27. There is was only Adam and Eve when God made the Sabbath for all mankind according to the scriptures. No need to think twice just believe the scriptures. The command is in the making of the Sabbath for all mankind and also in the commandment given to His people in Exodus 20:8-11. I noticed you simply ignored my post to you. Please tell me, how can anyone worships God in Spirit and in truth if they do not believe and obey what Gods' Word says. How can you worship God in Spirit and in truth when it is God's Word that is the very definition of Spirit and truth as shown in John 17:17 and John 6:63? Go check the scriptures. No one worships God in Spirit and in truth if they do not believe and obey what Gods' Word says. The Word of God is the very definition of Spirit and truth if you do not believe and obey what Gods' Word says then you are not worshiping God in Spirit and in truth. This is why John says in 1 John 2:3-4 3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Do you love your fellow man by lying, stealing and committing adultery with their spouse? Do you love God by worshiping other Gods and making idols and bowing down to them or breaking His Sabbath? - Of course not. As posted earlier no one worships God in Spirit and in truth if they do not believe and obey what Gods' Word says and neither do they have Gods' Spirit (see Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Matthew 15:3-9)

 

[3rdAngel]

You are right according to scriptures. There are no true scriptures that teaches that Jesus created anything.

Then we have Gods Word that disagree with your words that say word for word that Jesus is the God of creation right here. Here let me highlight what the scriptures teach here for you..

Read what the scriptures say...

• JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

• HEBREWS 1:1-2 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS; 3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

• HEBREWS 1:8-12 8, BUT TO THE SON HE SAID, YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOR EVER AND EVER: A SCEPTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM. 9, You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows. 10, AND, YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING HAVE LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH; AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS: 11, They shall perish; but you remain; and they all shall wax old as does a garment; 12, And as a clothing shall you fold them up, and they shall be changed: but you are the same, and your years shall not fail.

• COLOSSIANS 1:16 16 FOR BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, LIN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THRONES OR DOMINIONS OR RULERS OR AUTHORITIES. ALL THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM.

This has got to be a little embarrassing for you Soapy. It does not have to be though. Receive God's Word and be blessed. Ignoring Gods Word and arguing against Gods Words do not make them disappear.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

If Adam was created on the sixth day, he then had not done any work to rest from the day after he was created. Is this true?
But then, Adam being created on the sixth day meant that he named all the animals on that same day he was created and was put to sleep and Eve was created from the feminine traits out of him (called ‘Rib’)!

Not relevant Soapy. God rested, blessed and made holy the seventh day of the week for all mankind as a memorial of creation and commands all of His people to keep it as a holy day of rest (see Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). Gods 4th commandment is one of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11. Lets not seek to make excuses for our sins.

 

[101G]

Agreed Jesus created all things as God as it is written in the scriptures as proven in the previous section

as Spirit, the ordinal First.

No I am arguing against your words that are arguing against Gods Words (scripture). Yes Jesus is the God of creation as shown in the scriptures provided above. The creation of mankind however is very different because it is plural application.

ERROR, did you not hear the Lord Jesus in Matthews 19:4 and it is written in Genesis 1:27 where he, a single person made man male and female. so you ERROR on the plurality of God at Genesis 1:26.

You were answered. God rested and blessed and made the seventh day of the week a holy day of rest (see Genesis 2:1-3).

That's Right God rested. did Israel REST on the seventh day in EGYPT, before Moses was their overseer? .... NO.

101G

 

[101G]

Then we have Gods Word that disagree with your words that say word for word that Jesus is the God of creation right here. Here let me highlight what the scriptures teach here for you..

Read what the scriptures say...

• JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

• HEBREWS 1:1-2 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS; 3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

• HEBREWS 1:8-12 8, BUT TO THE SON HE SAID, YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOR EVER AND EVER: A SCEPTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM. 9, You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows. 10, AND, YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING HAVE LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH; AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS: 11, They shall perish; but you remain; and they all shall wax old as does a garment; 12, And as a clothing shall you fold them up, and they shall be changed: but you are the same, and your years shall not fail.

• COLOSSIANS 1:16 16 FOR BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, LIN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THRONES OR DOMINIONS OR RULERS OR AUTHORITIES. ALL THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM.

This has got to be a little embarrassing for you Soapy. It does not have to be though. Receive God's Word and be blessed. Ignoring Gods Word and arguing against Gods Words do not make them disappear.

Take Care.

as I been saying is this Jesus the Ordinal Last or the First who CREATED ALL THINGS? Jesus as Son, the Ordinal Last, CREATED NOTHING. did you not hear the Lord Jesus the Son say in Matthews 19:4? READ IT.

101G.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ Read what the scriptures say...

• JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

• HEBREWS 1:1-2 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS; 3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

• HEBREWS 1:8-12 8, BUT TO THE SON HE SAID, YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOR EVER AND EVER: A SCEPTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM. 9, You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows. 10, AND, YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING HAVE LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH; AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS: 11, They shall perish; but you remain; and they all shall wax old as does a garment; 12, And as a clothing shall you fold them up, and they shall be changed: but you are the same, and your years shall not fail.

• COLOSSIANS 1:16 16 FOR BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, LIN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THRONES OR DOMINIONS OR RULERS OR AUTHORITIES. ALL THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM.

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as I been saying is this Jesus the Ordinal Last or the First who CREATED ALL THINGS? Jesus as Son, the Ordinal Last, CREATED NOTHING. did you not hear the Lord Jesus the Son say in Matthews 19:4? READ IT.

Your post makes no sense to what you are responding to and the scriptures that are in disagreement with that you are unwilling to respond to.

 

[101G]

Read what the scriptures say...

• JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

one more time. let's take this one at a time. the one who "MADE ALL THINGS" is the same one person, who is both Lord/LORD, at different TIME, PLACE, ODRER, or RANK.. Listen and Learn. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
Is this the same person here in Isaiah 44:24, as in John 1:3? yes or No.

101G.