"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑Read what the scriptures say...

• JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

Your response here...

one more time. let's take this one at a time. the one who "MADE ALL THINGS" is the same one person, who is both Lord/LORD, at different TIME, PLACE, ODRER, or RANK.. Listen and Learn. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
Is this the same person here in Isaiah 44:24, as in John 1:3? yes or No.101G.

Look at the context of John 1:1-4;14 it says that Jesus is the God of creation

 

[3rdAngel]

as Spirit, the ordinal First.

So you are agreeing now that Jesus is the God of creation? It is hard to follow what you are talking about.

ERROR, did you not hear the Lord Jesus in Matthews 19:4 and it is written in Genesis 1:27 where he, a single person made man male and female. so you ERROR on the plurality of God at Genesis 1:26.

The ERROR is your side. As shown from the scriptures earlier...

. The creation of mankind however is plural application.

• GENESIS 1:26 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing

• GENESIS 3:22 “Then the Lord God said, BEHOLD, THE MAN HAS BECOME LIKE ONE OF US, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and also take from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.”

There is nothing in Isaiah 44:24 that says that God was alone at creation. LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS is plural meaning and the scripture context is to the making of mankind. (Genesis 1:26-31).

That's Right God rested. did Israel REST on the seventh day in EGYPT, before Moses was their overseer? .... NO.101G

You still do not get it do you. According to Jesus God made the Sabbath for all mankind (see Mark 2:27). When God made the Sabbath for all all mankind there was only Adam and Eve. There was no Israel, no Moses, no sin and no law because Adam and Eve were sinless when God made the Sabbath.

 

[101G]

Look at the context of John 1:1-4;14 it says that Jesus is the God of creation

GINOLJC, to all.
Yes, JESUS is the God of CREATION, but not as Son. How many times must we tell you this. the Son Mission was to REDEEM, and SAVE what he, Jesus, the Ordinal First Made. the Son, or the Ordinal Last mission was to come and die for our sin.

Listen and UNDERSTAND. 1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit."
1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord."
1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all."

Jesus, Made all things as the Ordinal First. LISTEN, Jesus REDEEMED, and SAVED all things as the Son...... are you getting this,

Jesus the Ordinal First, Spirit, Father, Made all things, Jesus, the SAME ONE PERSON, DIVERSIFIED, or "SHARED" in Flesh redeemed and saved all that he Made.

understand, by coming in flesh and blood, he gave his LIFE, (BLOIOD), for the sins of thew world. THAT'S WHY HE IS SON, because of the blood, that he gave. his natural life in a body of Flesh is blood, Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

do you understand NOW?

101G.

 

[101G]

So you are agreeing now that Jesus is the God of creation? It is hard to follow what you are talking about.

have I not been saying this over and over,,,,, go back and read my posts anywhere on this subject.

The ERROR is your side. As shown from the scriptures earlier...

. The creation of mankind however is plural application.

• GENESIS 1:26 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing

let's see if it is, the very next verse. Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

well now, is "his" and "he" plural? READ GENESIS 1:27 again. your answer please. DID YOU NOT HEAR THE LORD JESUS IN MATTHEWS 19:4 SAID, "HE", A SINGLE PERSON MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. AND THE LORD JESUS SAID IT IS WRITTEN, WELL WHERE, GENESIS 1:27. if it is written, then it's not changing. so the ERROR is still on YOUR SIDE...... (smile) ..... YIKES!

My God third angel. do you believe the Lord Jesus whom you say you believe and follow..... well how come you're not a. LISTENING to him, and b. BELIEVE what he, the Lord JESUS SAID? can the Lord JESUS LIE? NO, so why are you not believing, and following him then.

third angel, if you cannot believe God, then you need to sit still and LEARN.

understand, as with the apostle, no man taught 101G this, but by REVELATION of God. 101G is taught by God himself, that's why I can say what I say.

101G.

 

[3rdAngel]

GINOLJC, to all.
Yes, JESUS is the God of CREATION, but not as Son. How many times must we tell you this. the Son Mission was to REDEEM, and SAVE what he, Jesus, the Ordinal First Made. the Son, or the Ordinal Last mission was to come and die for our sin.

Listen and UNDERSTAND. 1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit."
1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord."
1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all."

Jesus, Made all things as the Ordinal First. LISTEN, Jesus REDEEMED, and SAVED all things as the Son...... are you getting this,

Jesus the Ordinal First, Spirit, Father, Made all things, Jesus, the SAME ONE PERSON, DIVERSIFIED, or "SHARED" in Flesh redeemed and saved all that he Made.

understand, by coming in flesh and blood, he gave his LIFE, (BLOIOD), for the sins of thew world. THAT'S WHY HE IS SON, because of the blood, that he gave. his natural life in a body of Flesh is blood, Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

do you understand NOW?

101G.

So that is a start you believe Jesus is the God of creation as the scriptures teach and have been shared with you. Now please tell me who ever said to you that Jesus was the God of creation as the son? That would not even make any sense. How could Jesus as man create man. No one has ever said that to you so what is your argument? You have none because we were already in agreement so there is nothing to argue about because no one was telling you that Jesus created man as a man.

 

[101G]

So that is a start you believe Jesus is the God of creation as the scriptures teach and have been shared with you.

I been saying that, but not as Son is he the CREATOR.... that is your failing. you cannot get pass the Son part. but as I said, sit still and Learn... ok.

101G.

 

[3rdAngel]

I been saying that, but not as Son is he the CREATOR.... that is your failing. you cannot get pass the Son part. but as I said, sit still and Learn... ok.101G.

Yes we all need to learn. Your post makes no sense again. Please tell me who ever said to you that Jesus was the God of creation as the son? That would not even make any sense. How could Jesus as man create man. No one has ever said that to you so what is your argument? You have none because we were already in agreement so there is nothing to argue about because no one was telling you that Jesus created man as a man.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ The ERROR is your side. As shown from the scriptures earlier.... The creation of mankind however is plural application.

• GENESIS 1:26 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing

Your response here

have I not been saying this over and over,,,,, go back and read my posts anywhere on this subject.

let's see if it is, the very next verse. Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

well now, is "his" and "he" plural? READ GENESIS 1:27 again. your answer please. DID YOU NOT HEAR THE LORD JESUS IN MATTHEWS 19:4 SAID, "HE", A SINGLE PERSON MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. AND THE LORD JESUS SAID IT IS WRITTEN, WELL WHERE, GENESIS 1:27. if it is written, then it's not changing. so the ERROR is still on YOUR SIDE...... (smile) ..... YIKES!

My God third angel. do you believe the Lord Jesus whom you say you believe and follow..... well how come you're not a. LISTENING to him, and b. BELIEVE what he, the Lord JESUS SAID? can the Lord JESUS LIE? NO, so why are you not believing, and following him then.

third angel, if you cannot believe God, then you need to sit still and LEARN.

understand, as with the apostle, no man taught 101G this, but by REVELATION of God. 101G is taught by God himself, that's why I can say what I say.101G.

YIKES! You still do not understand the plural application of God. The ERROR is your side but lets further show why if it might be helpful to you. Why are you are ignoring the context and plural application to God in the scripture you provided in Genesis 1:27? Watch very closely as we add the scripture context back into Genesis 1:27 and look at the Hebrew word meanings in Genesis 1:27...

• GENESIS 1:26-27 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing. 27, So GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female created he them.

FROM THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE GENESIS 1:26

1. Who is making man? Let US make man (plural) - Genesis 1:26
2. Whose image is man being made in? OUR image - Genesis 1:26
3. Whose likeness is man being made after? OUR likeness - Genesis 1:26​

The above shows the plural application to God which is the context of Genesis 1:27. Now lets look at the detail now of Genesis 1:27 in the next verse

• GENESIS 1:27 27, So GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS THE IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female created he them.

So as you can see looking at the above if you do not understand the plurality of God as shown in Genesis 1:26 which is the context you left out of Genesis 1:27 you have a contradiction in your understanding of the scriptures. So what is the solution? It is the context of Genesis 1:27 that shows God as not singular but plural. This is also shown in the Hebrew in scriptures in Genesis 1:27 lets continue and look at the Hebrew meanings of some key words in Genesis 1:27. Lets start by looking at the Hebrew word for God and His here in Genesis 1:27

• GOD H430 אֱלֹהִים (ʼĕlôhîym | el-o-heem'). This is the Hebrew word for God in v27 and is the plural derivation: plural form of אֱלֹוהַּ; (meaning deity or a God - singular).

• HIS OWN IMAGE H6754; צֶלֶם (tselem | tseh'-lem) Derivation: from an unused root meaning to shade; Strong's: a phantom, i.e. (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence, a representative figure, especially an idol. This is third person masculine singular. This mean it is not God talking but the narrator referring to God plural as shown in the meaning of God above and in Genesis 1:26 as plural application to deity or God as a plural God. There is no "in his own" it was added in by the translators. In the Hebrew H6754; צֶלֶם (tselem) means image but its used in the third person masculine.

So there you have it. Plural God not singular with Genesis 1:27 in agreement with Genesis 1:26.

Hope this was helpful

 

[samtonga43]

The evidence is the scriptures itself.

I am asking for your evidence for your statement that “It is simply the errant selection by the TRINITARIAN translators who were commanded to make an object into a person for the sake of trinity belief”. Stop running, Soapy.

Wrong. There is no capitalisation in the Greek.

The Greek? You think the O.T. was translated from the Greek?

The term, ‘the Word of God’ is stolen from the book of Revelation where Jesus Christ is seen on a white horse with the title ‘The Word of God’ written on him. Jesus Christ is, at that time, raised up to heaven BY GOD and is bringing righteousness to the nations as written in Isaiah 42:1.

Stolen? Are you sure this is the word you want to use?

You could not do better than agree that there was no three person entity ‘in the beginning’. In fact there is no three person entity at any time.

'Three person entity'? Another strawman. Not what I said.

Where do you find the word ‘Godhead’ in the scriptures?

The word Godhead, like many other words used by Christians, is not to be found in the scriptures. I thought you would be aware of this…

Isn’t that just taught by Trinitarians since they cannot reconcile how Jesus is God yet the only true God is only ever referred to as being ‘The Father’.

No. That's not why it is taught by Trinitarian

‘Poor’… is that your word for ‘Truthful’?

I repeat, the Holy Spirit is the very opposite of a computer; God is the very opposite of a robot. Therefore, your analogy is inadequate at least, and ignorant at best.

You could not deny this although most of your trinitarian colleagues do…! So good on you!

Please provide your evidence for saying that most Trinitarians deny that Christ is the new Adam.

How do you claim that Jesus is GOD but SECONDARY to God? Isn’t God ONE! How can there be RANKS in a ONE UNIT “GODHEAD” (your term!)? I guess the answer is that false claims require false premises - and you just proved that!!

1. How does anyone claim anything? They simply state what they believe. Do you mean 'why' rather than 'how'?
2. All of your needless capitalization and excess !!!!s only serve to make you look foolish and to diminish your ability to discuss in an adult fashion.
3. You claim that I believe that Jesus is secondary to God. But I do not believe this. You must be running out of straw, Soapy.

The difference is that no matter what if seems, yours leads to fallacious beliefs whereas mine leads to the truth - indeed, is the truth!

OK, I'll help you out: There is a huge, eternal difference between 'gods' and 'God'. 'gods' never lead to truth; God always does.

Are you saying this because you learnt this repetitive deceitful methodology from 3rdAngel and your use of it against SZ?

Classic transference. The ‘repetitive deceitful methodology’ originates with SZ and yourself.
(But I think I know why you refuse to respond to #1873 /1874. )

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I wonder if 3rdAngel is going to jump in here and ask you to PROVE THAT Jesus IS GOD….!!! Then you and he can accuse each other like Satan fighting Satan!!

Your words (emphasized) demand an apology. I hope you are man enough to offer one.
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[101G]

Yes we all need to learn. Your post makes no sense again.

right now to you it don't make sense. but hang in there,

Please tell me who ever said to you that Jesus was the God of creation as the son?

many when I was taught in the trinity doctrine.... Meaning the father went through him, the Son, to make everything, and they were wrong.

but listen, just because I was taught wrong then, I have no complaint against them, (my teachers), I Thank God that I know the truth now. get that? don't blame anyone, just Give God the praise that you are no longer in darkness.

That would not even make any sense. How could Jesus as man create man.

the rational is in reverse. they knew that Jesus was God, and in their thinking, he can do anything. but they had not considered Phil 2:6-8. but as a man from the END to the beginning they knew God can do anything. which was good thinking, but not of God.... so I cannot say anything against them for they did their best. they taught what their teachers taught them, which their teacher taught, and so on, but no one STOP to see if what they were taught was correct. so. I put no one down.

No one has ever said that to you so what is your argument? You have none because we were already in agreement so there is nothing to argue about because no one was telling you that Jesus created man as a man.

ERROR, not as a man, but as "SON", stay correct, don't change anything. and notice, they, my teachers did not believe Son meant a biological Son, as we are ..... men. so their thinking was on point, but just not in TRUTH.

101G.

 

[101G]

So as you can see looking at the above if you do not understand the plurality of God as shown in Genesis 1:26 which is the context you left out of Genesis 1:27 you have a contradiction in your understanding of the scriptures. So what is the solution? It is the context of Genesis 1:27 that shows God as not singular but plural.

that's your mistake, God is not plural at Genesis 1:26, nor at 27, but singular. again did you not hear the Lord Jesus? God is a HE, a single person at Genesis 1:27. listen, Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"
the he, a single person is God. how do 101G know this? because Mark records the same conversation. Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."
God is a "HE" when he made man male and female in the beginning.
do you believe the Lord Jesus? only one person made man male and female.

101G

 

[3rdAngel]

that's your mistake, God is not plural at Genesis 1:26, nor at 27, but singular. again did you not hear the Lord Jesus? God is a HE, a single person at Genesis 1:27. listen, Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," the he, a single person is God. how do 101G know this? because Mark records the same conversation. Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."God is a "HE" when he made man male and female in the beginning. do you believe the Lord Jesus? only one person made man male and female.101G

Sorry dear friend but you are wrong here and there is nothing in your post here that addressed anything in the post you are quoting from that proves why you are wrong by leaving out the scripture contexts, and Hebrew meanings of the plural meanings of God as shown earlier. All you have done here is repeat yourself while the post and scriptures you are quoting from that you are unwilling to discuss prove why your opinion is in error. Take your time and re-read what was written to you and receive God's correction and be blessed. All you did in your post was micro-quote my post while ignoring the rest of my post that proves your claims are not biblical. As posted earlier...

YIKES! You still do not understand the plural application of God. The ERROR is your side but lets further show why if it might be helpful to you. Why are you are ignoring the context and plural application to God in the scripture you provided in Genesis 1:27? Watch very closely as we add the scripture context back into Genesis 1:27 and look at the Hebrew word meanings in Genesis 1:27...

• GENESIS 1:26-27 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing. 27, So GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female created he them.

FROM THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE GENESIS 1:26

1. Who is making man? Let US make man (plural) - Genesis 1:26
2. Whose image is man being made in? OUR image - Genesis 1:26
3. Whose likeness is man being made after? OUR likeness - Genesis 1:26​

The above shows the plural application to God which is the context of Genesis 1:27. Now lets look at the detail now of Genesis 1:27 in the next verse

• GENESIS 1:27 27, So GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS THE IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female created he them.

So as you can see looking at the above if you do not understand the plurality of God as shown in Genesis 1:26 which is the context you left out of Genesis 1:27 you have a contradiction in your understanding of the scriptures. So what is the solution? It is the context of Genesis 1:27 that shows God as not singular but plural. This is also shown in the Hebrew in scriptures in Genesis 1:27 lets continue and look at the Hebrew meanings of some key words in Genesis 1:27. Lets start by looking at the Hebrew word for God and His here in Genesis 1:27

• GOD H430 אֱלֹהִים (ʼĕlôhîym | el-o-heem'). This is the Hebrew word for God in v27 and is the plural derivation: plural form of אֱלֹוהַּ; (meaning deity or a God - singular).

• HIS OWN IMAGE H6754; צֶלֶם (tselem | tseh'-lem) Derivation: from an unused root meaning to shade; Strong's: a phantom, i.e. (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence, a representative figure, especially an idol. This is third person masculine singular. This mean it is not God talking but the narrator referring to God plural as shown in the meaning of God above and in Genesis 1:26 as plural application to deity or God as a plural God. There is no "in his own" it was added in by the translators. In the Hebrew H6754; צֶלֶם (tselem) means image but its used in the third person masculine.

So there you have it. Plural God not singular with Genesis 1:27 in agreement with Genesis 1:26.

Hope this was helpful

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ Yes we all need to learn. Your post makes no sense again. Please tell me who ever said to you that Jesus was the God of creation as the son? That would not even make any sense. How could Jesus as man create man. No one has ever said that to you so what is your argument? You have none because we were already in agreement so there is nothing to argue about because no one was telling you that Jesus created man as a man.

Your response here

right now to you it don't make sense. but hang in there many when I was taught in the trinity doctrine.... Meaning the father went through him, the Son, to make everything, and they were wrong.
but listen, just because I was taught wrong then, I have no complaint against them, (my teachers), I Thank God that I know the truth now. get that? don't blame anyone, just Give God the praise that you are no longer in darkness. the rational is in reverse. they knew that Jesus was God, and in their thinking, he can do anything. but they had not considered Phil 2:6-8. but as a man from the END to the beginning they knew God can do anything. which was good thinking, but not of God.... so I cannot say anything against them for they did their best. they taught what their teachers taught them, which their teacher taught, and so on, but no one STOP to see if what they were taught was correct. so. I put no one down. ERROR, not as a man, but as "SON", stay correct, don't change anything. and notice, they, my teachers did not believe Son meant a biological Son, as we are ..... men. so their thinking was on point, but just not in TRUTH.
101G.

I think you missed the point of my post to you. I never made any claims to you that Jesus created all things as a man. To me that is not biblical and does not even make sense.

 

[101G]

Sorry dear friend but you are wrong here and there is nothing in your post here that addressed anything in the post you are quoting from that proves why you are wrong by leaving out the scripture contexts, and Hebrew meanings of the plural meanings of God as shown earlier. All you have done here is repeat yourself while the post and scriptures you are quoting from that you are unwilling to discuss prove why your opinion is in error. Take your time and re-read what was written to you and receive God's correction and be blessed. All you did in your post was micro-quote my post while ignoring the rest of my post that proves your claims are not biblical. As posted earlier...

Maybe you're IGNORANT of what I have already posted.....

You still do not understand the plural application of God. The ERROR is your side but lets further show why if it might be helpful to you. Why are you are ignoring the context and plural application to God in the scripture you provided in Genesis 1:27? Watch very closely as we add the scripture context back into Genesis 1:27 and look at the Hebrew word meanings in Genesis 1:27...

• GENESIS 1:26-27 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing. 27, So GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female created he them.

FROM THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE GENESIS 1:26

1. Who is making man? Let US make man (plural) - Genesis 1:26
2. Whose image is man being made in? OUR image - Genesis 1:26
3. Whose likeness is man being made after? OUR likeness - Genesis 1:26
The above shows the plural application to God which is the context of Genesis 1:27

ERROR, Genesis 1:27 confirms what the Lord Jesus said in Matthews 19:4 that God is a "HE". a single person. the US and the OUR is not plural at Genesis 1:26, for verse 27 proves that. the US and the OUR is to Come. listen and learn, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." God in Flesh as a man was to COME. Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,"

TIME .......

101G.

 

[3rdAngel]

Maybe you're IGNORANT of what I have already posted.....

ERROR, Genesis 1:27 confirms what the Lord Jesus said in Matthews 19:4 that God is a "HE". a single person. the US and the OUR is not plural at Genesis 1:26, for verse 27 proves that. the US and the OUR is to Come. listen and learn, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." God in Flesh as a man was to COME. Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,"

TIME .......

101G.

If that were true then you would be able to address the post and the scripture context that show plural application to God that you are quoting from that proves why you are in error that you refuse to discuss. Please forgive me then if I do not believe you. You are rejecting scripture that proves why you are in ERROR instead of receiving God's correction and being blessed.

Keep reading the rest of the post you left out that also addresses Genesis 1:27 and also uses the context you leave out in Genesis 1:26. Micro-quoting will not help you here. Both the context and the Hebrew word meanings of Genesis 1:27 shown in the full post you are part quoting, prove you are in error and that God in Genesis 1:26-27 is plural application. This exposes why your teachings are not biblical. Receive Gods' correction through His Word and be blessed. Ignoring it does not make it disappear. As posted earlier there is not a single section in Genesis 1:26-27 that says a single God created mankind. It is plural as shown again in the full post below you are unwilling to discuss....

YIKES! You still do not understand the plural application of God. The ERROR is your side but lets further show why if it might be helpful to you. Why are you are ignoring the context and plural application to God in the scripture you provided in Genesis 1:27? Watch very closely as we add the scripture context back into Genesis 1:27 and look at the Hebrew word meanings in Genesis 1:27...

• GENESIS 1:26-27 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing. 27, So GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female created he them.

FROM THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE GENESIS 1:26

1. Who is making man? Let US make man (plural) - Genesis 1:26
2. Whose image is man being made in? OUR image - Genesis 1:26
3. Whose likeness is man being made after? OUR likeness - Genesis 1:26​

The above shows the plural application to God which is the context of Genesis 1:27. Now lets look at the detail now of Genesis 1:27 in the next verse

• GENESIS 1:27 27, So GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS THE IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female created he them.

So as you can see looking at the above if you do not understand the plurality of God as shown in Genesis 1:26 which is the context you left out of Genesis 1:27 you have a contradiction in your understanding of the scriptures. So what is the solution? It is the context of Genesis 1:27 that shows God as not singular but plural. This is also shown in the Hebrew in scriptures in Genesis 1:27 lets continue and look at the Hebrew meanings of some key words in Genesis 1:27. Lets start by looking at the Hebrew word for God and His here in Genesis 1:27

• GOD H430 אֱלֹהִים (ʼĕlôhîym | el-o-heem'). This is the Hebrew word for God in v27 and is the plural derivation: plural form of אֱלֹוהַּ; (meaning deity or a God - singular).

• HIS OWN IMAGE H6754; צֶלֶם (tselem | tseh'-lem) Derivation: from an unused root meaning to shade; Strong's: a phantom, i.e. (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence, a representative figure, especially an idol. This is third person masculine singular. This mean it is not God talking but the narrator referring to God plural as shown in the meaning of God above and in Genesis 1:26 as plural application to deity or God as a plural God. There is no "in his own" it was added in by the translators. In the Hebrew H6754; צֶלֶם (tselem) means image but its used in the third person masculine.

So there you have it. Plural God not singular with Genesis 1:27 in agreement with Genesis 1:26.


Take Care.

 

[101G]

If that were true then you would be able to address the post and the scripture context that show plural application to God that you are quoting from that proves why you are in error that you refuse to discuss. Please forgive me then if I do not believe you. You are rejecting scripture that proves why you are in ERROR instead of receiving God's correction and being blessed.

Keep reading the rest of the post you left out that also addresses Genesis 1:27 and also uses the context you leave out in Genesis 1:26. Micro-quoting will not help you here. Both the context and the Hebrew word meanings of Genesis 1:27 shown in the full post you are part quoting, prove you are in error and that God in Genesis 1:26-27 is plural application. This exposes why your teachings are not biblical. Receive Gods' correction through His Word and be blessed. Ignoring it does not make it disappear. As posted earlier there is not a single section in Genesis 1:26-27 that says a single God created mankind. It is plural as shown again in the full post below you are unwilling to discuss....

YIKES! You still do not understand the plural application of God. The ERROR is your side but lets further show why if it might be helpful to you. Why are you are ignoring the context and plural application to God in the scripture you provided in Genesis 1:27? Watch very closely as we add the scripture context back into Genesis 1:27 and look at the Hebrew word meanings in Genesis 1:27...

• GENESIS 1:26-27 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing. 27, So GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female created he them.

FROM THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE GENESIS 1:26

1. Who is making man? Let US make man (plural) - Genesis 1:26
2. Whose image is man being made in? OUR image - Genesis 1:26
3. Whose likeness is man being made after? OUR likeness - Genesis 1:26​

The above shows the plural application to God which is the context of Genesis 1:27. Now lets look at the detail now of Genesis 1:27 in the next verse

• GENESIS 1:27 27, So GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS THE IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female created he them.

So as you can see looking at the above if you do not understand the plurality of God as shown in Genesis 1:26 which is the context you left out of Genesis 1:27 you have a contradiction in your understanding of the scriptures. So what is the solution? It is the context of Genesis 1:27 that shows God as not singular but plural. This is also shown in the Hebrew in scriptures in Genesis 1:27 lets continue and look at the Hebrew meanings of some key words in Genesis 1:27. Lets start by looking at the Hebrew word for God and His here in Genesis 1:27

• GOD H430 אֱלֹהִים (ʼĕlôhîym | el-o-heem'). This is the Hebrew word for God in v27 and is the plural derivation: plural form of אֱלֹוהַּ; (meaning deity or a God - singular).

• HIS OWN IMAGE H6754; צֶלֶם (tselem | tseh'-lem) Derivation: from an unused root meaning to shade; Strong's: a phantom, i.e. (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence, a representative figure, especially an idol. This is third person masculine singular. This mean it is not God talking but the narrator referring to God plural as shown in the meaning of God above and in Genesis 1:26 as plural application to deity or God as a plural God. There is no "in his own" it was added in by the translators. In the Hebrew H6754; צֶלֶם (tselem) means image but its used in the third person masculine.

So there you have it. Plural God not singular with Genesis 1:27 in agreement with Genesis 1:26.


Take Care.

GINOLJC, to all.
I understand so people are slow in learning, that's ok, but as molasses in winter. there is no excuse. as I have say again and again, God is a plurality in TIME, ORDER, PLACE, or RANK. if the winter molasses people want to keep their overcoats on, fine, ....... (smile).....

Only one Person made ALL THINGS, and that's the LORD JESUS, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

if people cannot reason with common sense that I, Alone, and By One's own self constitute a single person, then they have a serious problem with basic understanding of Words.

101G.

 

[Soapy]

Your response here...

Please stop making things up Soapy. Sabbath does not mean rest at all. The was proven already to you in post # 1689 linked that you ignored and it seems you did not even bother to read or respond to earlier. The liked post proves that the Hebrew, Greek and scripture definition of Sabbath is "the seventh day of the week". There is no such thing as a Jewish Sabbath according to the scriptures, because there were no Jews when Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for all mankind (see Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3). Lets be honest Soapy there is not a single thing you have said here that can be supported by scripture. Breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments is sin according to the scriptures *see James 2:10-11; 1 John 2:3-4; Romans 7:7 and Romans 3:20. As shown in the scriptures earlier there is no such thing as a Roman Sabbath and the biblical Hebrew, Greek and scripture definitions if Sabbath is "the seventh day of the week" as proven in the linked post you ignored and refused to respond to above.

What does ‘Sabbath’ mean, then, if not ‘Rest’:

• “The Jewish Sabbath (from Hebrew shavat, “to rest”) is observed throughout the year on the seventh day of the week—Saturday. According to biblical tradition, it commemorates the original seventh day on which God rested after completing the creation. …. It appears that the notion of the Sabbath as a holy day of rest, linking God to his people and recurring every seventh day, was unique to ancient Israel.…” (Jewish religious year - The Sabbath)

The idea of a Sabbath is reflected in many other ways:

1. God ‘RESTED’ on the seventh day and blessed it as holy. After doing six days of [secular] work you must rest from your [secular] work
2. After a long period of study, take a year out from study as a Sabbatical year
3. After a few years of cultivating the soil, leave the field fallow to rest for a year (as a Sabbatical)
4. After being actively awake for many hours, take a Sabbatical in sleep to rest the body (and mind)
5. After long periods of eating, take time out to rest from eating (A sabbatical - Fasting)
6. A Jew who takes another Jew as a slave must release him (under conditions) after seven years service (Rest / Relief from his slavery)

Hmmm…

 

[samtonga43]

GINOLJC, to all. I understand so people are slow in learning

Sorry I am slow in learning, 101G. Please tell me what your anachronism represents...

 

[Soapy]

as I been saying is this Jesus the Ordinal Last or the First who CREATED ALL THINGS? Jesus as Son, the Ordinal Last, CREATED NOTHING. did you not hear the Lord Jesus the Son say in Matthews 19:4? READ IT.

101G.

For one who claims to use the scriptures as proof text, 3rdAngel doesn’t seem to recognise when there are corrupted text in his eyesight.

It is, indeed, the Spirit of God, BY WHICH all things were created.

And indeed, nothing that exists in the world was created but by the spirit of God.

The spirit of God was WITH GOD in the beginning (as shown by Genesis 1).

The holy angels were instrumental in the creation (like work tools - not Praisable, nor honored, beings!) but in the creation of an image of God, God consulted with them (Satan, specifically) hence the ‘Us’ and ‘We’. But notice that it was ONLY THE BODY that was created … the PHYSICAL BODY… the body was LIFELESS at its creation because ONLY GOD can put a SPIRIT (He is the ‘Father of Spirits: ‘Father’ means ‘He who creates - He who gives life to…’) into an entity to inspirited it, to animate it, to give it life:

• The spirit of God overshadowed the lifeless body and breathed life into it and the body became a living Soul

Read: ‘Spirit of God’ as ‘All powerful, irresistible, all encompassing force of God’

God spoke a word and His spirit acted on His word!!!

Notice that Jesus Christ INHERITS the rulership over creation AT THE END OF TIME as he being the MOST BELOVED HUMAN SON OF GOD…
Yes, the world was made BY GOD (The creator: the Father) FOR HIM WHO PROVES HIMSELF AS THE MOST BELOVED SON OF GOD.

 

[Soapy]

Not relevant Soapy. God rested, blessed and made holy the seventh day of the week for all mankind as a memorial of creation and commands all of His people to keep it as a holy day of rest (see Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). Gods 4th commandment is one of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11. Lets not seek to make excuses for our sins.

Yes, 3rdAngel:

God …commands all of His people to keep it as a holy day of rest

• “Bear in mind that the LORD has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Everyone is to stay where they are on the seventh day; no one is to go out.” (Exo 16:29)
• “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant.” (Exo 31:16)

Were the Egyptians or the Philistines, Hittites, Canaanite’s, etc., instructed to stay indoors on the Sabbath day:

• “Do not bring a load out of your houses or do any work on the Sabbath, but keep the Sabbath day holy, as I commanded your ancestors.