"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ Sorry Soapy but I do not believe you. The scripture posted above your post in post # 2231 linked disagree with your teaching and there is nothing you have posted here that disagrees with the scriptures already shared with you. The scriptures you posted are simply greetings from God our father and Lord Jesus Christ. They do not say Jesus is not God. The scriptures teach that God the father and Jesus are one (see John 10:30). You may also want to consider the context of the scriptures you post above from Colossians 1 and 2 about Jesus that you have left out provided below for your help....

• Colossians 1:16 16 FOR BY HIM (Jesus) ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, LIN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THRONES OR DOMINIONS OR RULERS OR AUTHORITIES. ALL THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM.

• Colossians 2:9 “FOR IN CHRIST ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE DEITY LIVES IN BODILY FORM."

Once again you lose Soapy. Receive Gods correction and be blessed. Ignoring Gods Word does not make them disappear.

Your response here...

The verse you quote here is not coherent. God the creator (Father) created all things FOR THE SON.
Jesus is the Son for which creation was made for which is why he inherits it AT THE END OF TIME after he has EARNED the right to be its ruler.

You forgot to say that it was at the pleasure of the creator - the Father - that Jesus was ‘filled with the fullness of deity’.

This occurred at Jesus’ baptism wherein GOD POURED OUT HIS SPIRIT on him just as God prophesied in Isaiah 42:1:

• “Behold my SERVANT whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations.”

And again, here:

• “This is my son in whom I am well pleased!”
• “For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in him,”

And even here:

• “You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached—how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.“ (Acts 10:37-38)

And why is Jesus given the title ‘Christ’? What does it mean to be ‘Christ’?

What does ‘Anointed’ mean… what does it mean to be ‘Anointed’? And further, Jesus’ anointed Kent is a SPIRITUAL anointment - not one with earthly fluid but with the FULL fluid Spirit of God alighting upon him like a light breeze as of a dove —- and again, at Pentecost where the apostles where anointed with the PARTIAL amounts of the spirit of God appearing as tongues of fire and high wind?
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So are you saying that ‘God the Father’ and ‘the Lord Jesus Christ’ are not two separate persons?

Even here where those who know God, and know Jesus, never call Jesus ‘God’?

Goodness Soapy, you were provided scripture context to what you said earlier stating Jesus is the Creator and God further to the scriptures already stating word for word that Jesus is God and creator in post 2231 linked and elsewhere in this thread. Why try and explain away what the scriptures actually say word for word rather than simply believing what Gods Word says? Why ignore scripture showing that Jesus is the God of creation and the oneness of Christ with the father and the Holy Spirit as shown in post 2231 linked and elsewhere in this thread that you refuse to discuss that are in disagreement with you? We are better off just believing what the scriptures says word for word rather then pretending they are not saying what they say and calling scripture, not coherent. It seems your argument is with God not me. It seems to be the problem with your understanding of the scriptures is that you do not understand how God can become a man, to save us from our sins yet still be God in bodily form or understand how God can be plural of one mind which is what the scriptures teach.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

That is not totally true. 3rdAngel does understand what I’m saying - he just chooses to retain his trinitarian stance since it’s hard coded in him.

I can speak for myself Soapy. What @samtonga43 said to you was correct. You quoting you against scripture is not biblical and no Soapy what you are posting here is not true at all so please stop bearing false witness. I choose to believe what the scriptures say word for word which is why I have posted them as shown in post 2231 linked and elsewhere in this thread that Jesus is both God and creator of heaven and earth.

Take Care.

 

[Soapy]

Your response here...


Here is a good example of you quoting you and not scripture again Soapy without addressing anything in the post content you are quoting from and the scriptures that are in disagreement with you. Notice there is nothing in any scripture you quote that does not say Jesus is not God? Likewise, notice that all the scriptures in the post you are quoting from say word for word that Jesus is God but you choose to not believe them.

Take Care.

Hmmm…. No answer from you about what I said… now why does that not surprise me.

But you do say in one place that I don’t quote any scriptures - then in another say the scriptures I quote are proving Jesus is God!

You also say I don’t address anything in your post content that disagrees with me… which content disagrees with me?

 

[Soapy]

Your response here...

Goodness Soapy, you were provided scripture context to what you said earlier stating Jesus is the Creator and God further to the scriptures already stating word for word that Jesus is God and creator in post 2231 linked and elsewhere in this thread. Why try and explain away what the scriptures actually say word for word rather than simply believing what Gods Word says? Why ignore scripture showing that Jesus is the God of creation and the oneness of Christ with the father and the Holy Spirit as shown in post 2231 linked and elsewhere in this thread that you refuse to discuss that are in disagreement with you? We are better off just believing what the scriptures says word for word rather then pretending they are not saying what they say and calling scripture, not coherent. It seems your argument is with God not me. It seems to be the problem with your understanding of the scriptures is that you do not understand how God can become a man, to save us from our sins yet still be God in bodily form or understand how God can be plural of one mind which is what the scriptures teach.

Take Care.

What?

It seems your argument is with God not me.

Well, you do set yourself up as God on the mount of God - so then, in effect, my argument is against you!

Jesus says that he did not make himself God but only said that God is his Father.

This, to me, is correct. But not correct just because I think it but because Jesus said it.

The Father made Jesus to be Lord… God madd him to be so by endowing him with His spirit at the baptism at the river Jordan:

• “… This is my son whom I uphold!”
• “This is my Servant whom I uphold!”
• “What of the one [man] whom God consecrated (set apart) as his very own..”
• “God anointed this man Jesus with Holy Spirit and power”

The latter verse: Jesus only ‘went around healing all whom were under the spell of Satan AFTER he was anointed with holy Spirit power from God… because God was with him!

Hmm… ‘God was with him’ - ‘God is with us’…!

If Jesus is ‘God with us’ then what of ‘God with him’?

Doesn’t this mean that prior means the power of God is with the people… and therefore the latter means that the power of God is with Jesus… via the spirit of God in him?

 

[3rdAngel]

Hmmm…. No answer from you about what I said… now why does that not surprise me.

But you do say in one place that I don’t quote any scriptures - then in another say the scriptures I quote are proving Jesus is God!

You also say I don’t address anything in your post content that disagrees with me… which content disagrees with me?

No answer to what exactly? Everything you have posted in regards to the scripture have been addressed with a detailed scripture response. You were posted scripture that disagreed with what you posted earlier (context). You responded with your words that are not scripture. I prefer to believe what the scriptures teach not your words that are not scripture as shown already in post 2231 linked and other posts all through out this thread that you choose to ignore.

 

[3rdAngel]

What?

Well, you do set yourself up as God on the mount of God - so then, in effect, my argument is against you!

Jesus says that he did not make himself God but only said that God is his Father.

This, to me, is correct. But not correct just because I think it but because Jesus said it.

The Father made Jesus to be Lord… God madd him to be so by endowing him with His spirit at the baptism at the river Jordan:

• “… This is my son whom I uphold!”
• “This is my Servant whom I uphold!”
• “What of the one [man] whom God consecrated (set apart) as his very own..”
• “God anointed this man Jesus with Holy Spirit and power”

The latter verse: Jesus only ‘went around healing all whom were under the spell of Satan AFTER he was anointed with holy Spirit power from God… because God was with him!

Hmm… ‘God was with him’ - ‘God is with us’…!

If Jesus is ‘God with us’ then what of ‘God with him’?

Doesn’t this mean that prior means the power of God is with the people… and therefore the latter means that the power of God is with Jesus… via the spirit of God in him?

What? Does not address anything in the post you are responding to. As posted earlier, you were provided scripture context to what you said earlier stating Jesus is the Creator and God further to the scriptures already stating word for word that Jesus is God and creator in post 2231 linked and elsewhere in this thread. Why try and explain away what the scriptures actually say word for word rather than simply believing what Gods Word says? Why ignore scripture showing that Jesus is the God of creation and the oneness of Christ with the father and the Holy Spirit as shown in post 2231 linked and elsewhere in this thread that you refuse to discuss that are in disagreement with you? We are better off just believing what the scriptures says word for word rather then pretending they are not saying what they say and calling scripture, not coherent. It seems your argument is with God not me. It seems to be the problem with your understanding of the scriptures is that you do not understand how God can become a man, to save us from our sins yet still be God in bodily form or understand how God can be plural of one mind which is what the scriptures teach.

Take Care.

 

[Soapy]

I can speak for myself Soapy. What @samtonga43 said to you was correct. You quoting you against scripture is not biblical and no Soapy what you are posting here is not true at all so please stop bearing false witness. I choose to believe what the scriptures say word for word which is why I have posted them as shown in post 2231 linked and elsewhere in this thread that Jesus is both God and creator of heaven and earth.

Take Care.

You are choosing to believe what TRINITARIANS teach you to believe.

You may say you are quoting scriptures word for word but the quotes do not teach what you are claiming they teach.

The scriptures teaches that Jesus knew that man would try to corrupt the scriptures - and it is those scriptures you are quoting so that you can uphold the lie that scriptures warns would occur.

You say Jesus was claiming to be God when he told the Jews that he was greater than Abraham… Why would God compare himself to his servant, Abraham?

No, 3rdAngel, Jesus was confirming to the Jews that he was indeed greater than Abraham. It was their indignation at that response that made them want to stone Jesus - He claimed supremacy over one whom the Jews looked upon as their greatest ancestor.

What do you imagine? That the Jews wanted to stone almighty God?? That is certainly pandering to the Human God… which is what trinity actually claims Jesus is!

 

[Soapy]

No answer to what exactly? Everything you have posted in regards to the scripture have been addressed with a detailed scripture response. You were posted scripture that disagreed with what you posted earlier (context). You responded with your words that are not scripture. I prefer to believe what the scriptures teach not your words that are not scripture as shown already in post 2231 linked and other posts all through out this thread that you choose to ignore.

Still no answer…

 

[Soapy]

What? Does not address anything in the post you are responding to. As posted earlier, you were provided scripture context to what you said earlier stating Jesus is the Creator and God further to the scriptures already stating word for word that Jesus is God and creator in post 2231 linked and elsewhere in this thread. Why try and explain away what the scriptures actually say word for word rather than simply believing what Gods Word says? Why ignore scripture showing that Jesus is the God of creation and the oneness of Christ with the father and the Holy Spirit as shown in post 2231 linked and elsewhere in this thread that you refuse to discuss that are in disagreement with you? We are better off just believing what the scriptures says word for word rather then pretending they are not saying what they say and calling scripture, not coherent. It seems your argument is with God not me. It seems to be the problem with your understanding of the scriptures is that you do not understand how God can become a man, to save us from our sins yet still be God in bodily form or understand how God can be plural of one mind which is what the scriptures teach.

Take Care.

You just repeating yourself since you have seen the truth of what I’m saying to you.

Well, that’s good. I hope it sticks and you preach the truth in future.

 

[3rdAngel]

You are choosing to believe what TRINITARIANS teach you to believe.

You may say you are quoting scriptures word for word but the quotes do not teach what you are claiming they teach.

The scriptures teaches that Jesus knew that man would try to corrupt the scriptures - and it is those scriptures you are quoting so that you can uphold the lie that scriptures warns would occur.

You say Jesus was claiming to be God when he told the Jews that he was greater than Abraham… Why would God compare himself to his servant, Abraham?

No, 3rdAngel, Jesus was confirming to the Jews that he was indeed greater than Abraham. It was their indignation at that response that made them want to stone Jesus - He claimed supremacy over one whom the Jews looked upon as their greatest ancestor.

What do you imagine? That the Jews wanted to stone almighty God?? That is certainly pandering to the Human God… which is what trinity actually claims Jesus is!

Is that all you got Soapy? Disagreement with the new testament and old testament scriptures and an appeal to the Jews that are not Christian and reject Christ as the promised Messiah? I prefer what the scriptures say word for word so your argument is with God not me.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

Still no answer…

Yes you still have no answer to the posts and scriptures shared with you that are in disagreement with you. Lets talk more when you are willing to enter into a discussion here and address the scriptures and the posts that are in disagreement with you. Also, no Soapy, the Angels did not create mankind. That is something you are trying to read into the scriptures that are not there.

Take Care

 

[3rdAngel]

You just repeating yourself since you have seen the truth of what I’m saying to you.
Well, that’s good. I hope it sticks and you preach the truth in future.

Well that is not true. You quoting you in disagreement with what the scriptures say word for word is not you teaching truth. According to the scriptures the scriptures that have been shared with you are the very definition of what the bible calls is truth as shown in John 17:17 but you do not believe them it seems. My hope is that you will receive Gods Words and correction and be blessed. According to Jesus ignoring Gods Words do not make them disappear as shown in John 12:47-48.

You take Care now.

 

[Soapy]

Is that all you got Soapy? Disagreement with the new testament and old testament scriptures and an appeal to the Jews that are not Christian and reject Christ as the promised Messiah? I prefer what the scriptures say word for word so your argument is with God not me.

Take Care.

No, what I have posted is sufficient for the post. Test me harder and more will be shown to you.

And I did not say that Christ was not the promised messiah - indeed I agree that he is. I’ve posted many things to you showing that I uphold the view of Jesus as the promised messiah (or the Christ, in Greek language). The fact that you deceitfully try to say I didn’t believe that shows that you are trying to squirm your way out what I’ve said against what you posted.

So, then, am I to believe that from what you are saying, that Jesus was both God and the messiah?

Am I to believe that God spent 30 years learning the Torah and carrying out carpentry for his [adopted earthly Father], Joseph?

Am I to believe that ALMIGHTY GOD anointed Jesus with HIS SPIRIT so Jesus BECAME CHRIST and thereby gained THE POWER OF ALMIGHTY GOD… even though, you say, he was already Almighty God?

Or should I believe this:

• “You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached—
• how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.” (Acts 10:37-38)

But also, it was Jesus Christ who told the people:

• “No one hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” (John 1:18)

And an apostle says this:

• “No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.” (1 John 4:12)

What do these two verses claim, 3rdAngel?

Let me say then… They say that Jesus is not God. They say that Jesus Christ DECLARED (made known) who God is… ‘The Father’!

Even the tactlessly altered translated verse saying:

• “No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.” (John 1:18 - English Standard Version)

It suggests that there Jesus is ‘The only God’ who is at the side of the Father - who IS ALMIGHTY GOD!!

Does Almighty GOD not say:

• “I am the [YHWH], and there is none else, there is no God beside[s?] me” (Isaiah 45:5)

It is easy to see, then, that the Greek that John 1:18 was translated from does not call Jesus ‘the Only God’ but truthfully, ‘The only Begotten Son’. How did ‘the only God’ get into the published translation and given to the people purporting to be truth yet knowing it to be a lie? Another ‘error on the part of the translators’ or purposeful modification for trinitarian believers?

And you know that Jesus BECAME the only begotten Son by the declaration of adoption God spoke:

• “I am your Father, this day you have BECOME MY SON”

You know, being the intelligent man that you are, that this is a DECLARATION OF ADOPTION. An adoption not limited to Jesus Christ alone but also to ANYONE … EVERYONE who carries out in righteousness, in sinlessness, in holiness, in truthfulness, the word of God:

• “I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.” (2 Cor 6:18)

Just as God spoke to his greatest (though sinning) love of mankind: King David:

• “I will proclaim the LORD’s decree: He said to me, “You are my son; today I have become your father.”’(Psalm 2:7)

And even if you try to claim this verse as prophesy (and it’s a double age saying, yes) then the next verse is aptly applied:

• “Ask me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.” (Psalm 2:8)

This verse states that the adopted son of God will INHERIT the totality of the earthly kingdom - they WILL BE his for a possession. He doesn’t YET own it?

But God owns all!!

The Father owns all - and then, to the most-loved (‘Firstborn’ - CLOSEST in love to the Father…!) the Father gives all that the Son is promised as an inheritance.

Note, also, the Father does not give HIS KINGDOM to the begotten (spiritually adopted) Son, but gives the son a KINGDOM of HIS OWN.

The kingdom of earth is WITHIN the kingdom of Heaven - in fact, the kingdom of earth is but a mere ‘Room’ in the great mansion kingdom of Heaven!!

 

[Soapy]

Well that is not true. You quoting you in disagreement with what the scriptures say word for word is not you teaching truth. According to the scriptures the scriptures that have been shared with you are the very definition of what the bible calls is truth as shown in John 17:17 but you do not believe them it seems. My hope is that you will receive Gods Words and correction and be blessed. According to Jesus ignoring Gods Words do not make them disappear as shown in John 12:47-48.

You take Care now.

Well well, perhaps I have received God’s word and made them known to you - but like the many Jews, you reject them!!

Though, in truth, what I write is only to inform you, to enlighten you, to show you that trinitarianism is a false belief made up of 95% truth … and a convincing 5% lie - yet that 5% is more dangerous than ever since it convinces its proponents to ‘Believe the lie’ rather than the truth. I’ve already seen you try to do that with me by stating truth and falsehood together hoping I would argue against the truth in what you say…. Oh so childish … Yes, others would get caught out, perhaps you honed your skills with this underhanded practise but you know the saying:
‘You can fool many of the people many of the time but you cannot fool all the people all of the time!’.

 

[Soapy]

Yes you still have no answer to the posts and scriptures shared with you that are in disagreement with you. Lets talk more when you are willing to enter into a discussion here and address the scriptures and the posts that are in disagreement with you. Also, no Soapy, the Angels did not create mankind. That is something you are trying to read into the scriptures that are not there.

Take Care

I did not say that the angels created MANKIND.

See, that’s where your desperation and deceit comes to the fore. I said that Angels CAN CREATE BODIES BUT THEY CANNOT ANIMATE THEM.

A body is nothing for a mighty angel to create - even human Beings create other human Beings - Children!!

Did not Eve say:

• “Now Adam had sexual relations with his wife, Eve, and she became pregnant. When she gave birth to Cain, she said, “With the LORD’s help, I have produced a man!” (Gen 4:1)

But really, 3rdAngel, where has your intelligence and spiritual sense gone: God does not ‘DO’ anything himself… God merely COMMANDS and it is done.

It is through the mighty angels that physical actions are activated in the physical realm. God COMMANDED the body Adam to be made… and it was done so… but that body was INANIMATE.. LIFELESS. It had no SPIRIT IN IT:

• ‘Let us make man …’ the BODY of the man!

God then EMPOWERED that lifeless body using His Spirit as the activator - the inspiritor - by overshadowing the lifeless body and thus ‘Breathing life - an independent spirit - into the lifeless body:

• ‘And the man BECAME A LIVING SOUL’ (the body of the man was animated by the Spirit put into it - like a driver seated in a vehicle to drive it… like a computer programme put into a computer system… like electricity put into a coil of wire to magnetise it. Without the inspiritor, the ‘machine’ is LIFELESS)

So, 3rdAngel, do not claim I erred - you know you did that purposely. I wrote all this to you so you have no excuse to say I said otherwise.

Again, the BODY is nothing in the grand scheme of creation. God had already ‘created’ animals of all kinds. THE FLESH of man and the flesh of animals are the same: ‘Dust of the earth’ - Chemical elements: atoms; molecules, skin, bone, muscle, blood, etc. What differs man from animals is the SPIRIT in the body. Angels are not authorised nor can create a spirit and put that spirit into a body to animate it… only God - The Father of Spirits - can do that!

3rdAngel, why do you disagree with truth? What drives you to not understand the reality of scriptures even though you place yourself as an authority on scriptures but yet can only quote, often anachronistically, verses without thought, cohesion, comprehension, and context?

And then, accuse me of what I did not say as if you are so desperate that it’s your only option?

You do have the option to speak the truth - uphold what is right - avoid dissuading those who speak the truth. If you can find no objection to the truth shown you then at least avoid responding with with something that might be seen as an attempt at deterring the truth speaker from speaking the truth!

 

[3rdAngel]

No, what I have posted is sufficient for the post. Test me harder and more will be shown to you.

And I did not say that Christ was not the promised messiah - indeed I agree that he is. I’ve posted many things to you showing that I uphold the view of Jesus as the promised messiah (or the Christ, in Greek language). The fact that you deceitfully try to say I didn’t believe that shows that you are trying to squirm your way out what I’ve said against what you posted.

So, then, am I to believe that from what you are saying, that Jesus was both God and the messiah?

Am I to believe that God spent 30 years learning the Torah and carrying out carpentry for his [adopted earthly Father], Joseph?

Am I to believe that ALMIGHTY GOD anointed Jesus with HIS SPIRIT so Jesus BECAME CHRIST and thereby gained THE POWER OF ALMIGHTY GOD… even though, you say, he was already Almighty God?

Or should I believe this:

• “You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached—
• how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.” (Acts 10:37-38)

But also, it was Jesus Christ who told the people:

• “No one hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” (John 1:18)

And an apostle says this:

• “No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.” (1 John 4:12)

What do these two verses claim, 3rdAngel?

Let me say then… They say that Jesus is not God. They say that Jesus Christ DECLARED (made known) who God is… ‘The Father’!

Even the tactlessly altered translated verse saying:

• “No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.” (John 1:18 - English Standard Version)

It suggests that there Jesus is ‘The only God’ who is at the side of the Father - who IS ALMIGHTY GOD!!

Does Almighty GOD not say:

• “I am the [YHWH], and there is none else, there is no God beside[s?] me” (Isaiah 45:5)

It is easy to see, then, that the Greek that John 1:18 was translated from does not call Jesus ‘the Only God’ but truthfully, ‘The only Begotten Son’. How did ‘the only God’ get into the published translation and given to the people purporting to be truth yet knowing it to be a lie? Another ‘error on the part of the translators’ or purposeful modification for trinitarian believers?

And you know that Jesus BECAME the only begotten Son by the declaration of adoption God spoke:

• “I am your Father, this day you have BECOME MY SON”

You know, being the intelligent man that you are, that this is a DECLARATION OF ADOPTION. An adoption not limited to Jesus Christ alone but also to ANYONE … EVERYONE who carries out in righteousness, in sinlessness, in holiness, in truthfulness, the word of God:

• “I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.” (2 Cor 6:18)

Just as God spoke to his greatest (though sinning) love of mankind: King David:

• “I will proclaim the LORD’s decree: He said to me, “You are my son; today I have become your father.”’(Psalm 2:7)

And even if you try to claim this verse as prophesy (and it’s a double age saying, yes) then the next verse is aptly applied:

• “Ask me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.” (Psalm 2:8)

This verse states that the adopted son of God will INHERIT the totality of the earthly kingdom - they WILL BE his for a possession. He doesn’t YET own it?

But God owns all!!

The Father owns all - and then, to the most-loved (‘Firstborn’ - CLOSEST in love to the Father…!) the Father gives all that the Son is promised as an inheritance.

Note, also, the Father does not give HIS KINGDOM to the begotten (spiritually adopted) Son, but gives the son a KINGDOM of HIS OWN.

The kingdom of earth is WITHIN the kingdom of Heaven - in fact, the kingdom of earth is but a mere ‘Room’ in the great mansion kingdom of Heaven!!

What scripture did you provide that says Jesus is not God? - None. What scriptures say word for word that Jesus is Gods....

The Apostles calling Jesus the God of creation...

• John 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!”

• Titus 2:13 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

• Hebrews 1:1-2 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS; 3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

• Hebrews 1:8 8 BUT TO THE SON HE (the father) SAYS "YOUR THRONE O GOD (Jesus) IS FOREVER AND EVER, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

• Matthew 1:23 23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name IMMANUEL WHICH MEANS GOD WITH US.

• John 1:1-4 ;14 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

• 2 Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of OUR GOD AND SAVOIR JESUS CHRIST

• John 8:58 Jesus said to them: “Timeless truth I speak to you: Before Abraham would exist, I AM THE LIVING GOD.” (Aramaic)

• 1 John 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.

• Colossians 1:16 16 FOR BY HIM (Jesus) ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, LIN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THRONES OR DOMINIONS OR RULERS OR AUTHORITIES. ALL THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM.

• Colossians 2:9 “FOR IN CHRIST ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE DEITY LIVES IN BODILY FORM."

The God head are three with one mind and purpose...

• John 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE

• 1 John 5:7 “For there are three that bear witness in heaven: The FATHER, THE WORD (Jesus see John 1:1-4; 14), and the HOLY SPIRIT; and THESE THREE ARE ONE.”

• Matthew 28:19 9, Go ye therefore, and TEACH ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST

Jesus as creator God (see John 1:1-4; 14 and plural God below)...

• Genesis 1:26 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

• Genesis 3:22 “Then the Lord God said, BEHOLD, THE MAN HAS BECOME LIKE ONE OF US, KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and also take from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.”

• Genesis 11:7 “COME, LET US GO DOWN AND CONFUSE THEIR LANGUAGE so they will not understand each other

• Isaiah 6:8 “Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and WHO WILL GO FOR US?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

Notice there is not a single scripture that you have posted that disagrees with anything I have shared with you Soapy or but the scriptures provided above showing that Jesus is God and our creator disagree with everything you have posted. Jesus was before creation and the God of creation as shown word for word in the scriptures that disagree with your words that are unsupported by the scriptures (e.g. John 1:1-4; Hebrews 1:1-2,Hebrews 1:8-12 Colossians 1:16 etc). Receive Gods correction and be blessed Soapy. Ignoring Gods' Words does not make them disappear. According to Jesus the words of God we accept or reject will become our judge come judgement day (see John 12:47-48), Kind of not going to well for you now is it Soapy? We are best to believe and follow what Gods' Word says not seek to argue with them and try to explain them away which is what you are doing. Ignoring Gods Word and pretending they do not exist does not make them go away Soapy.

You Take Care now Soapy.

 

[3rdAngel]

Well well, perhaps I have received God’s word and made them known to you - but like the many Jews, you reject them!!

Though, in truth, what I write is only to inform you, to enlighten you, to show you that trinitarianism is a false belief made up of 95% truth … and a convincing 5% lie - yet that 5% is more dangerous than ever since it convinces its proponents to ‘Believe the lie’ rather than the truth. I’ve already seen you try to do that with me by stating truth and falsehood together hoping I would argue against the truth in what you say…. Oh so childish … Yes, others would get caught out, perhaps you honed your skills with this underhanded practise but you know the saying:
‘You can fool many of the people many of the time but you cannot fool all the people all of the time!’.

Well that is not true at all Soapy. You quoting you in disagreement with what the scriptures say word for word is not you teaching truth. According to the scriptures the scriptures that have been shared with you are the very definition of what the bible calls is truth as shown in John 17:17 but you do not believe them it seems. My hope is that you will receive Gods Words and correction and be blessed. According to Jesus ignoring Gods Words do not make them disappear as shown in John 12:47-48.

You take Care now.

 

[3rdAngel]

I did not say that the angels created MANKIND.

See, that’s where your desperation and deceit comes to the fore. I said that Angels CAN CREATE BODIES BUT THEY CANNOT ANIMATE THEM.

A body is nothing for a mighty angel to create - even human Beings create other human Beings - Children!!

Did not Eve say:

• “Now Adam had sexual relations with his wife, Eve, and she became pregnant. When she gave birth to Cain, she said, “With the LORD’s help, I have produced a man!” (Gen 4:1)

But really, 3rdAngel, where has your intelligence and spiritual sense gone: God does not ‘DO’ anything himself… God merely COMMANDS and it is done.

It is through the mighty angels that physical actions are activated in the physical realm. God COMMANDED the body Adam to be made… and it was done so… but that body was INANIMATE.. LIFELESS. It had no SPIRIT IN IT:

• ‘Let us make man …’ the BODY of the man!

God then EMPOWERED that lifeless body using His Spirit as the activator - the inspiritor - by overshadowing the lifeless body and thus ‘Breathing life - an independent spirit - into the lifeless body:

• ‘And the man BECAME A LIVING SOUL’ (the body of the man was animated by the Spirit put into it - like a driver seated in a vehicle to drive it… like a computer programme put into a computer system… like electricity put into a coil of wire to magnetise it. Without the inspiritor, the ‘machine’ is LIFELESS)

So, 3rdAngel, do not claim I erred - you know you did that purposely. I wrote all this to you so you have no excuse to say I said otherwise.

Again, the BODY is nothing in the grand scheme of creation. God had already ‘created’ animals of all kinds. THE FLESH of man and the flesh of animals are the same: ‘Dust of the earth’ - Chemical elements: atoms; molecules, skin, bone, muscle, blood, etc. What differs man from animals is the SPIRIT in the body. Angels are not authorised nor can create a spirit and put that spirit into a body to animate it… only God - The Father of Spirits - can do that!

3rdAngel, why do you disagree with truth? What drives you to not understand the reality of scriptures even though you place yourself as an authority on scriptures but yet can only quote, often anachronistically, verses without thought, cohesion, comprehension, and context?

And then, accuse me of what I did not say as if you are so desperate that it’s your only option?

You do have the option to speak the truth - uphold what is right - avoid dissuading those who speak the truth. If you can find no objection to the truth shown you then at least avoid responding with with something that might be seen as an attempt at deterring the truth speaker from speaking the truth!

Did I not quote you earlier trying to argue that....

• Genesis 1:26 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

was talking about the Angels and God making mankind? Did I misunderstand you Soapy? Were you not saying this now? As posted earlier there is only one definition of truth in the bible and that is Gods Words found in John 17:17. What did you post in your post to me above that states that Jesus is not God? - Nothing. What scripture did you post in your post above that is in disagreement with anything I have said to you? - Nothing. Does scripture say that Jesus is God and the creator? - Yep (see post # 2256 linked and elsewhere in this thread). Now what do you have to support your view Soapy that Jesus is not God? - Nothing but your words denying what scripture says word for word. So your argument is with God not me.

You take care now Soapy.

 

[Soapy]

Did I not quote you earlier trying to argue that....

• Genesis 1:26 26 And God said, LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

was talking about the Angels and God making mankind? Did I misunderstand you Soapy? Were you not saying this now? As posted earlier there is only one definition of truth in the bible and that is Gods Words found in John 17:17. What did you post in your post to me above that states that Jesus is not God? - Nothing. What scripture did you post in your post above that is in disagreement with anything I have said to you? - Nothing. Does scripture say that Jesus is God and the creator? - Yep (see post # 2256 linked and elsewhere in this thread). Now what do you have to support your view Soapy that Jesus is not God? - Nothing but your words denying what scripture says word for word. So your argument is with God not me.

You take care now Soapy.

Scriptures does not say explicitly that Jesus is not God in any way since none of the apostles ever thought that jesus was God that they should be denying him that status. You have set up a case for ‘proving a negative’: ‘Prove that Jesus is not God’… that is deceitful but yet answerable:

You are demanding verses showing Jesus is not God from me because you know there are none simply on the basis that no one ever wrote that Jesus was God.

Jesus denied ‘making’ himself a God - not the same thing as ‘making himself THE GOD’ since not even the Jews would think such a heinous thing. But since they knew of pagan beliefs where humans, pharoahs, for instance, called themselves ‘Son of the Gods’ there would be a case when Jesus said, ‘I am the Son of God’.

But anyway, the case of Jesus is not God is proven despite your persistence in posting verses that do not even claim Jesus was God.

I know you know the truth that Jesus is not God but you are just messing about in your embarrassment so I will leave you to lick your wounds since you are only spinning in a hopeless circle reposting the same false verses that you know are not worth the ink that printed them or the energy that displayed them.

As the scriptures says:

• ‘What shall say, then? Shall [you] go on sinning so that grace may increase?’

… meaning:

• ‘Should you go on posting falsely so that I should show you greater truths from the scriptures?’

 

[3rdAngel]

Scriptures does not say explicitly that Jesus is not God in any way since none of the apostles ever thought that jesus was God that they should be denying him that status. You have set up a case for ‘proving a negative’: ‘Prove that Jesus is not God’… that is deceitful but yet answerable

The above are your words and claims Soapy unsupported by scripture. Then we have the scriptures disagreeing with your claims that the apostles did not call Jesus God here....

The disciples and scripture calling Jesus the God of creation...

• John 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!”

• Titus 2:13 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

• Hebrews 1:1-2;8 1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2, HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HAS APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS; 3, WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, AND UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

• Hebrews 1:8 8 BUT TO THE SON HE (the father) SAYS "YOUR THRONE O GOD (Jesus) IS FOREVER AND EVER, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

• Matthew 1:23 23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name IMMANUEL WHICH MEANS GOD WITH US.

• John 1:1-4 ;14 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

• 2 Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of OUR GOD AND SAVOIR JESUS CHRIST

• John 8:58 Jesus said to them: “Timeless truth I speak to you: Before Abraham would exist, I AM THE LIVING GOD.” (Aramaic)

• 1 John 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.

All of the scriptures posted above disagree with everything you posted word for word Soapy. Now who should I believe and follow; Soapy? or Gods Words (scripture) -Easy one for me. Sorry I do not believe you Soapy. I prefer the scriptures you pretend do not exist that are in disagreement with you. For me I believe we are better off just to simply believe what the scriptures say word for word, rather than pretending they do not exist.

Take Care.