. Now look friend, stop with the nonsense. You say "The historic Christian church doesn't claims the Lord's day is Sunday. The Lord's day is ressurrection day, not "Sunday". It falls on a Sunday because Jesus rose on the first day of the week". That is literally the same thing. The resurrection day or first day of the week is our Sunday. Your post makes no sense.
Sorry, but I stand by my post because it makes perfect sense.
The first day of the week and Sunday are not "literally the same thing". This is your claim, but it is a claim based on culture and certainly not one based on the bible. This is why it's important to understand the bible's historical and cultural context before we go off and claim people "lawless".
In Canada, England, Japan and the United States, the 1st day of the week is understood to be Sunday. No matter where you go in these countries, Sunday is settled as the 1st day of the week. However, if you are in China, Russia, Europe (except Portugal), Chile, Niger or Australia, the first day of the week is Monday. If you are in Iraq, Iran, Sudan, or Afghanistan, the first day of the week is Saturday, and if you just happen to live in the Republic of Maldives, your first day of the week is Friday.
That's "our time". If we go back to the first century, the first day of the week is all over the place, and your week may or may not be 7 days long.
Genesis tells us that God created the heavens and earth in 7 days, but this period of time is not called a "week" (shabua). That is an assumption you came up with on your own. Where the Jews obtained their calendar from is the subject of much debate, but it's highly likely it was initially solar based, which would divide up your months into 10 day periods. It's much more likely the Jews followed a solar calendar, like most of mankind, before noticing the phases There is indication that the Jews, very early in their history, followed a solar calendar, hence the period of 10 (asar) days found at Genesis 24:55 (Jewish Encyclopedia V12, p 481). However, most scholars believe that by the time of their Babylonian exile, they referred to a 7 day week, having borrowed the Babylonian calendar, who in turned borrowed from the Sumerians.
The creation period is 7 days, but God does not call this period of time a "week". In fact, the term "week" (shabua) doesn't appear anywhere in the initial chapters of Genesis. For that, we have to wait until the 29th chapter.
Please stop with the lies and misrepresentation and read the OP. Show me where I have ever posted anywhere in this OP and thread that I have said that you or anyone else here believe Sunday worship is the Sabbath day? Is you cannot why pretend I am saying things I have never said?
You joined the two with your alleged "fact" right here:
Fact is though there is no scripture anywhere in the bible that says Gods Sabbath commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest.
So, as far as my "lies and misrepresentations", I think readers are perfectly capable of reading and judging if you said this for themselves. You alleged that we had abolished the Sabbath commandment and replaced it with a Sunday holy day of rest. Now you deny it.
As posted to you in earlier posts. I have never stated that the Sabbath is Saturday. I have only ever posted to you that Gods Sabbath is the seventh day of the week that starts from our time sunset Friday (start) to sunset Saturday (finish)
First you deny stating the Sabbath is Saturday and in the very next sentence you state the Sabbath starts from sunset Friday to sunset
Saturday. So in the span of two sentences, you both deny and prove the point I made.
Rather than go back and forth on this point, I suggest we let readers make their own decision.
The Sabbath Commandment
The Jews define the Sabbath as the 7th day, a period of time that extend from sunset of the 6th day to sunset of the 7th.
While the Jews appropriately called this their Sabbath rest, it was never fixed to a named day:
Six days of labor are prescribed as clearly in the Sabbath law as is one day of rest; both must be religiously observed,
This is
impossible under prevailing conditions for. let alone conditions during ancient times as no one was able to keep the commandments prior to Christ. Furthermore, the phraseology of the commandment does not fix the six days (the definite article is not prefixed to
); the definite article before "seventh" implies merely that the day referred to is that following
any group of six consecutive days; the phrase "the seventh day" is found also in the Pessah law (Deut. xvi. 8),
where it is evident that no fixed day of the week is intended. (Jewish Encyclopedia V.10, p.604)
Earlier I asked 3rdAngel why he was asking us to keep a commandment that he could not keep. I pointed out that the "4th" commandment has a "work" along with a "rest" component. This is because the 4th commandment is just like any other commandment... if you are going to observe it, you observe it all, and not just some of the time.
THERE ARE NO COMMANDMENTS THAT YOU FOLLOW ONE DAY AND SKIP THE NEXT!
The Sabbath DAY is the 7th. The Sabbath COMMAND is the entire week. That's right, all 7 days of the Jewish calendar.
We delude ourselves if we believe we can keep God's commands one day just to avoid them on the next. As an example, we do not honor our mother only on Mother's Day, nor our Father only on Father's Day. That would be ridiculous. We are to honor them all days, all the time. Likewise, if we are to honor God by "keeping" the Sabbath
command, you can't just do that by just keeping the Sabbath
day. I honored my Dad on Father's Day is not going to fly anymore than I kept the Sabbath on the 7th. There is a work component that God COMMANDS the other six days.
So let's take a look at 3rdAngel's response:
The context is to "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy".
Yes, keeping the Sabbath Day holy is certainly
part but it's not
all of the command.
Six days you shall labor and do all your work
This is important. The word "SHALL" is a modal verb expressing an instruction or command, as in "You SHALL not steal." The verb acts on the noun, which is "labor". Since this is an instruction or command from God, laboring the other six days is not something "optional" we can do but must do to show we are keeping the Sabbath "holy".
BUT THE SEVENTH DAY... is not stating that we have to work 6 days a week
WHOA!
This COMMAND from God, the one you've been railing every Christian for not following, CLEARLY states we DO have to work
SIX DAYS a week.
It's a COMMAND 3rdAngel, and if you are not following it, you are just as LAWLESS as every Christian you've accused. What part of "Six day you
shall labor" are you claiming we don't have to keep?
it is stating that we have 6 other days to do our work the
Six
consecutive, not "other" days to do our work, 3rdAngel, with the Sabbath to follow. In order to comply with law, the command to work these six days is made no more optional than the day to rest.
Earlier you accused some of following the traditions of men:
Yes Gods Word is amazing isn't it? The wisdom of the world is foolishness with God. According to the scriptures only Gods Word is true and we should believe and follow them see Romans 3:4 over the teachings and traditions of men that lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus given in Matthew 15:3-9.
Well, isn't that what you are doing here? God says work, and you're telling us we don't have to? That may be your tradition 3rdAngel, Perhaps you just make the "work" optional, and simply insist on the "rest", and then teach that this makes the Sabbath holy.
So how does that work exactly?
If your boss gives you a week's vacation, are you going to rest? Does the bible tell you God rested one week or one day? Are you going to take your one week and rest on the beach, or are you going to work just as this COMMAND FROM GOD tells you to do?
"BUT" is the reference point stating that of all the says of the week God calls us to "Remember the seventh day of the week to keep it Holy
Oh, I have no doubt you have this "rest" part of the command down pat. The problem of course, is that God worked the other days. He acknowledges this and tells us about it. It was only the 7th day He rested but I see no indication he rested on those other days.
Perhaps now you are getting an idea of why it was impossible for us to keep the Law?
" Why? because Exodus 20:11 says For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day:
That's right. He blessed and rested that seventh day. Those other days you work.
So you don't work on the 7th, and you don't rest on days 1-6. BOTH components of the command are to be followed, not just the one that looks most attractive to you. You do keep both, don't you?
why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and made it holy.
Not in dispute.
You do err not knowing scriptures in order to teach lawlessness.
No 3rdAngel. You did err when you called us "lawless" when you are "lawless" yourself, and you did err when you ask us to keep a commandment that you yourself "do not" and "could not" possibly keep. And yes, you do err when you make clear you prefer the doctrine of men over God's word, a word you apparently imagine yourself actually keeping, an illusion which becomes, as no surprise, a means to elevate yourself over other Christians, even to the point of calling our Sunday Schools a source of lies.
The Pharisees thought they were keeping the law and "were not like other men". There are many such churches in the world, and I believe they simply give rise to a peculiar form of spiritual arrogance.
