3rdAngel
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You quoting you is not you quoting Gods Word (scripture).
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"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES
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3rdAngel
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Well that is not true. Where does it say in the scriptures Thursday is "the Lords Day"?
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Chapter and verse, please.
3rdAngel
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Your post makes no sense. Scripture is Gods Word.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
"Facts" and "belief" are not synonymous, and what you post above is your "belief".
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Take your own advice.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Certain Hindu Scriptures
Of course it's true IF you believe in God being the Creator ... who are we, humans, to restrict God Almighty. Each day is His, hence each day is "The Lord's Day"...as simple as that (to me)
Bonus...different cultures, religions having different "Lord's Day" is even practical as not all humans stop working on the same day. Well spread. Smart move of God
stvdv
Veteran Member
Hindu Scriptures
3rdAngel
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Please read the OP first before posting. No one here is talking about the Hindu scriptures the OP is talking about the Hebrew and Greek scriptures of Judaism where Christianity comes from and the tradition of the Lord's day from Revelation 1:10 being Sunday in the Christian Church that is unsupported by the scriptures of the bible.
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
We are not discussing the Hindu Scriptures. "The Lord's Day" is an expression used in the book of Revelation, and later by the church fathers. That is the topic. It is a very bad idea to bring irrelevant Hindu ideas into the conversation.
If you want, you could start your own thread on i.e. which day of the week is holy for Hindus, and document it with quotes from the Vedas and stuff. That would be cool.
3rdAngel
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Your response here.
Scripture is Gods Word is fact. What you post here is in reference to your posts that are unsupported by scripture. See Romans 3:4. Only Gods Words are true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that seek to lead us away from Gods Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-8. We have all been taught lies from the mainstream Christian Church's in Sunday school.
You take Care now.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The scriptures teach "the teachings and traditions of men", such as those who penned the scriptures.
3rdAngel
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There is nothing wrong with religious "traditions" when these are supported by the scriptures. However, according to the scriptures and the very words of Jesus religious "traditions" are bad when they lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God. This is what Jesus is saying here....
- MATTHEW 15:3-9 3, But he answered and said to them, WHY DO YOU ALSO TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD BY YOUR TRADITION? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me; 6, And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. THUS HAVE YOU MADE THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD OF NONE EFFECT BY YOUR TRADITION. 7, YOU HYPOCRITES, WELL DID ESAIAS PROPHESY OF YOU, SAYING, 8, THIS PEOPLE DRAWS NEAR TO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH, AND HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS; BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. 9, BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.
Something to pray about.
Take Care.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
That is the typical Protestant position, coming from the theology of Sola Scriptura.
However, it is not what the Torah teaches. The Torah teaches that the Levites and Judges (Rabbis) have the God given authority to interpret law. Thus, you cannot say that you believe in the Torah and also believe in sola scriptura.
3rdAngel
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Where does it teach that in the Torah? It doesn't.
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Deuteronomy 17:8-13
AdamjEdgar
Active Member
That's ridiculous...Deuteronomy 17 is talking specifically about setting up courts for judging common law issues like physical assaults...this has nothing to do with what you are claiming.
3rdAngel
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Your response here..
The context of Deuteronomy 17:8-13 does not agree with your claims that only a Levite Priest or Pharisee can only interpret law or scripture is misleading and not truthful according to the scriptures. Why? The context of the scriptures OLD COVENANT LAWS RELATING TO ATONEMENT AND SIN AND BREAKING GODS LAW AND COVENANT AND JUDGEMENT RELATING TO THE PENALTY OF OPEN SIN WITH 2-3 WITNESSES (open public sin). This is also one of the reasons only a Levite Priest and judge was involved with judging the people and interpreting with Gods help what penalty to apply. The new covenant scriptures show that these Old covenant laws of atonement are now fulfilled and continued in Christ to who they pointed to and no longer relevant as a requirement in the New Covenant dispensation fulfilled and continued in Christ to who these laws pointed (see; John 1:29; 31; Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:13; Hebrews 9:1-17; Hebrews 10:10 and Hebrews 10:1-22.
Here lets look at the context proofs.
DEUTERONOMY 17:1-14 1, You shall not sacrifice to the LORD your God any bullock, or sheep, wherein is blemish, or any bad reputation: for that is an abomination to the LORD your God. 2, IF THERE BE FOUND AMONG YOU, WITHIN ANY OF YOUR GATES WHICH THE LORD YOUR GOD GIVES YOU, MAN OR WOMAN, THAT HAS WORKED WICKEDNESS IN THE SIGHT OF THE LORD YOUR GOD, IN TRANSGRESSING HIS COVENANT, 3, AND HAS GONE AND SERVED OTHER GODS, AND WORSHIPED THEM, EITHER THE SUN, OR MOON, OR ANY OF THE HOST OF HEAVEN, WHICH I HAVE NOT COMMANDED; 4, AND IT BE TOLD YOU, AND YOU HAVE HEARD OF IT, AND INQUIRED DILIGENTLY, AND, BEHOLD, IT BE TRUE, AND THE THING CERTAIN, THAT SUCH ABOMINATION IS WORKED IN ISRAEL: 5, THEN SHALL YOU BRING FORTH THAT MAN OR THAT WOMAN, WHICH HAVE COMMITTED THAT WICKED THING, TO YOUR GATES, EVEN THAT MAN OR THAT WOMAN, AND SHALL STONE THEM WITH STONES, TILL THEY DIE. 6, AT THE MOUTH OF TWO WITNESSES, OR THREE WITNESSES, SHALL HE THAT IS WORTHY OF DEATH BE PUT TO DEATH; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death. 7, THE HANDS OF THE WITNESSES SHALL BE FIRST ON HIM TO PUT HIM TO DEATH, AND AFTERWARD THE HANDS OF ALL THE PEOPLE. So you shall put the evil away from among you. 8, IF THERE ARISE A MATTER TOO HARD FOR YOU IN JUDGMENT, BETWEEN BLOOD AND BLOOD, BETWEEN PLEA AND PLEA, AND BETWEEN STROKE AND STROKE, BEING MATTERS OF CONTROVERSY WITHIN YOUR GATES: THEN SHALL YOU ARISE, AND GET YOU UP INTO THE PLACE WHICH THE LORD YOUR GOD SHALL CHOOSE; 9, AND YOU SHALL COME TO THE PRIESTS THE LEVITES, AND TO THE JUDGE THAT SHALL BE IN THOSE DAYS, AND INQUIRE; AND THEY SHALL SHOW YOU THE SENTENCE OF JUDGMENT: 10, AND YOU SHALL DO ACCORDING TO THE SENTENCE, WHICH THEY OF THAT PLACE WHICH THE LORD SHALL CHOOSE SHALL SHOW YOU; AND YOU SHALL OBSERVE TO DO ACCORDING TO ALL THAT THEY INFORM YOU: 11, ACCORDING TO THE SENTENCE OF THE LAW WHICH THEY SHALL TEACH YOU, AND ACCORDING TO THE JUDGMENT WHICH THEY SHALL TELL YOU, YOU SHALL DO: YOU SHALL NOT DECLINE FROM THE SENTENCE WHICH THEY SHALL SHOW YOU, TO THE RIGHT HAND, NOR TO THE LEFT. 12, AND THE MAN THAT WILL DO PRESUMPTUOUSLY, AND WILL NOT LISTEN TO THE PRIEST THAT STANDS TO MINISTER THERE BEFORE THE LORD YOUR GOD, OR TO THE JUDGE, EVEN THAT MAN SHALL DIE: AND YOU SHALL PUT AWAY THE EVIL FROM ISRAEL. 13, And all the people shall hear, and fear, and do no more presumptuously.14, When you are come to the land which the LORD your God gives you, and shall possess it, and shall dwell therein, and shall say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me; 15, You shall in any wise set him king over you, whom the LORD your God shall choose: one from among your brothers shall you set king over you: you may not set a stranger over you, which is not your brother.
TAKEN OUT OF THE SCRIPTURE CONTEXTS ABOVE
- Transgressing Gods laws of atonement for sin offerings (Deuteronomy 17:1-2)
- Transgressing Gods Old Covenant (Deuteronomy 17:1-2)
- Transgressing Gods commandments - Idolatry (Deuteronomy 17:3-4)
- If the matter be found true with 2-3 witnesses those breaking Gods covenant were to be sentenced to death (Deuteronomy 17:5-6)
- If matter were too hard to judge and controversy arises then it is to be taken to the Levite Priest and Judge for judgement (Deuteronomy 17:8-9)
- The matters of going to a Levite Priest or Judge only applied for those days in the Old Covenant. (Deuteronomy 17:9)
- The context of these scriptures was to the penalty of sin and execution of judgement or penalty of sin (Deuteronomy 17:1-13)
The context of the scrtpitures you quoted in Deuteronomy 17:8:13 is to the transgression of Gods laws of atonement, commandments and Old covenant and public sin in the presence of 2-3 witnesses and the application of penalty of sin which in most cases was death by stoning. The people were only ever to go to the Priest and Judges when there were matters of controversy too hard for them to understand at which time the Levite Priest and Judge would then enquire of God for the penalty to be given for those sins. It is stated in these same scriptures that application of these laws were only for those days. The time of those days was the Exodus.
Furthermore Gods people always had God to guide them and teach them His laws in the Torah even in times when there was no Levite Priest or Pharisee to guide and help them (see Genesis 26:5). Also, under the New Covenant God is to be our guide and teacher as it is written in the scriptures;
- ISAIAH 28:9-13 9, Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10, For precept must be on precept, precept on precept; line on line, line on line; here a little, and there a little: 11, For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12, To whom he said, This is the rest with which you may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. 13, But the word of the LORD was to them precept on precept, precept on precept; line on line, line on line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
- JOHN 14:26 26, But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.
- JOHN 16:13 13, However, when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
- GENESIS 26:5 5, Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws (Torah).
Take Care.
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Deut 17 speaks to the fact that it is not always clear how to observe the written Torah, and that interpretation is necessary in order to have a common understanding and implementation of the Law.
Let me give an example. Deuteronomy 12:21 states that sheep and cattle should be slaughtered "as I have instructed you", but nowhere in the Torah does it describe what that way is. It is therefore impossible to keep this law unless without some interpretation provided by the Levites and judges/rabbis.
Basically, Oral Torah exists to enable us to obey the written Torah.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I'm not intersted in arguing with you about it. Deut 17:8-13 speaks for itself -- it establishes God given authority for the Levites and Judges/Rabbi to interpret the law. Anyone in this forum is welcome to read the text for themselves. You can compose as many books on the subject as you want, and I am still not going to engage with you. I'm more than happy with the verses simply speaking for themselves.