"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[3rdAngel]

I know God commanded a Sabbath day rest for the Israelites. Do you think it means that God needs to rest?

Hi YT, according to the scriptures, Gods Sabbath is one of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of GOOD (moral right doing when obeyed) and EVIL (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); SIN (moral wrong doing when disobeyed) and RIGHTEOUSNESS (moral right doing when obeyed). *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and Psalms 119:172. God created the Sabbath on the "seventh day" of the creation week for all mankind according to Jesus in Mark 2:27. There was no Jew, no Israel, no Moses when God made the Sabbath for mankind. There was only Adam and Eve created on the sixth day of creation according to Genesis 1:26-31. Everyone of Gods 10 commandments are repeated in the new testament as a requirement and standard of Christian living according to the scriptures and just like any of Gods 10 commandments it is sin to break it *see James 2:10-11; compare 1 John 3:4.

 

[3rdAngel]

Nope. There is no commandment to keep the sabbath in the NT.

Wrong, everyone of Gods 10 commandments are repeated in the NT as the standard of Christian living including Gods Sabbath commandment that Jesus and all the Apostles kept and obeyed even after the death and resurrection of Jesus .You do not know the scriptures I see.

You are being untruthful with your responses here or just do not understand or know scripture. Receive Gods correction and be blessed. Ignoring Gods Word does not make it disappear. According to Jesus, the Words of God we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day in John 12:47-48.

Take Care

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Wrong, everyone of Gods 10 commandments are repeated in the NT as the standard of Christian living including Gods Sabbath commandment that Jesus and all the Apostles kept and obeyed even after the death and resurrection of Jesus .You do not know the scriptures I see.
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You are being untruthful with your responses here or just do not understand or know scripture. Receive Gods correction and be blessed. Ignoring Gods Word does not make it disappear. According to Jesus, the Words of God we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day in John 12:47-48.

Take Care

Remember that although this attachment shows how your protestant faith tradition divides the verses into ten commandments, that other faith traditions do the divisions a bit different. There is nothing in Deuteronomy 5 or Exodus 20 that numbers the commandments. But then again, there is nothing wrong with having traditions either. Be well.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Wrong, everyone of Gods 10 commandments are repeated in the NT as the standard of Christian living including Gods Sabbath commandment that Jesus and all the Apostles kept and obeyed even after the death and resurrection of Jesus .You do not know the scriptures I see.
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You are being untruthful with your responses here or just do not understand or know scripture. Receive Gods correction and be blessed. Ignoring Gods Word does not make it disappear. According to Jesus, the Words of God we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day in John 12:47-48.

Take Care

I'm not going to look up a bunch of verses when I already know that the sabbath command is not in the NT. If you want to quote the verses from the NT where you think the sabbath is commanded, please do. I'd love to see it. I anticipate that you will simply quote verses that mention things that happened on a sabbath, rather than any verse which commands it. But go ahead. I'm open.

 

[3rdAngel]

Remember that although this attachment shows how your protestant faith tradition divides the verses into ten commandments, that other faith traditions do the divisions a bit different. There is nothing in Deuteronomy 5 or Exodus 20 that numbers the commandments. But then again, there is nothing wrong with having traditions either. Be well.

It really does not matter the order of Gods 10 commandments. The order of the Hebrew bible and the Protestant one is the same. There is nothing wrong with "tradition" if it does not disagree with the scriptures. However, according to the scriptures and the very words of Jesus man-made teachings and "traditions" are bad when they lead us away from Gods Word into breaking the commandments of God. *see Matthew 15:3-9. Jesus says in these scriptures that those who follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God are not worshiping God. Begs the question then who do we believe and follow; God or man? This is the testing question that will come to everyone of us before the second coming and the end of the world.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

I'm not going to look up a bunch of verses when I already know that the sabbath command is not in the NT. If you want to quote the verses from the NT where you think the sabbath is commanded, please do. I'd love to see it. I anticipate that you will simply quote verses that mention things that happened on a sabbath, rather than any verse which commands it. But go ahead. I'm open.

Its ok, I did not expect you to. I posted them for those who may not know the scriptures like you obviously do not but want to know them. As posted earlier there is too many. If you want to look them up for your correction you are welcome.

Hebrews 4:9 "Therefore it remains (left behind) for the people of God to keep the Sabbath"

Sorry dear friend but the scriptures disagrees with you. Receive Gods correction and be blessed. Ignoring Gods Word does not make it disappear. According to Jesus, the Words of God we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day in John 12:47-48.

Take Care

 

[IndigoChild5559]

It really does not matter the order of Gods 10 commandments.

I think you are deliberately pretending to misunderstand me when in fact you don't. I said nothing about the order of the commandments. I mentioned that different traditions divide up the 17 verses into ten groups differently. If you are going to be disingenuous like this, you are going to lose your credibility with everyone who reads you.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Its ok, I did not expect you to. I posted them for those who may not know the scriptures like you obviously do not but want to know them. As posted earlier there is too many. If you want to look them up for your correction you are welcome.

Hebrews 4:9 "Therefore it remains (left behind) for the people of God to keep the Sabbath"

Sorry dear friend but the scriptures disagrees with you. Receive Gods correction and be blessed. Ignoring Gods Word does not make it disappear. According to Jesus, the Words of God we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day in John 12:47-48.

Take Care

Hebrews 4: 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God

This verse is not a commandment. However, at least you made the attempt, and I appreciate that.

 

[3rdAngel]

I think you are deliberately pretending to misunderstand me when in fact you don't. I said nothing about the order of the commandments. I mentioned that different traditions divide up the 17 verses into ten groups differently. If you are going to be disingenuous like this, you are going to lose your credibility with everyone who reads you.

My post stands as it is. I am not being disingenuous at all by stating that it really does not matter the order of Gods 10 commandments which is what you were arguing by different peoples. As posted earlier, the order of the Hebrew bible and the Protestant one is the same. There is also nothing wrong saying to you that "there is nothing wrong with "tradition" when tradition is not contradictory or against the sacred scriptures.

I was only sharing that according to the scriptures and the very words of Jesus man-made teachings and "traditions" are only bad when they lead us away from Gods Word into breaking the commandments of God. *see Matthew 15:3-9. That is what the bible teaches. Jesus says in these scriptures that those who follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God are not worshiping God. Begs the question then who do we believe and follow; God or man? This is the testing question that will come to everyone of us before the second coming and the end of the world.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

Hebrews 4: 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God
This verse is not a commandment. However, at least you made the attempt, and I appreciate that.

Actually it is a continuation of the same commandment given in Exodus 20:8-11. The Aramaic and Greek actually translates as...

Hebrews 4:9 "Therefore it remains (left behind) for the people of God to keep the Sabbath"

Happy to prove this if you are interested.This means that the Sabbath is left behind and is continued for the people of God to keep Holy. As posted earlier, everyone of Gods 10 commandments are repeated in the New Testament scriptures, as the standard of Christian living including Gods Sabbath commandment (see post # 2722 linked) that Jesus and all the Apostles kept and obeyed even after the death and resurrection of Jesus. Sunday worship in honor of the resurrection of Jesus on the other hand is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word into breaking the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9.

Take Care

 

[3rdAngel]

Hello again. Remember the seventh day of creation is not said to have ended. All the other days (the previous six) had a beginning and an end, but nothing is written by Moses in the Genesis account that the seventh day of the creation account ended. Take care, and I need to go back to sleep. Nice talking with you. Hope to continue later if possible.

Where does it say that in the bible? Of course the seventh day of creation ended. That is why there is seven days in a week and how the Sabbath is on a seven day continuous weekly cycle.

 

[metis]

I know God commanded a Sabbath day rest for the Israelites. Do you think it means that God needs to rest?

In Genesis it says that God rested on the 7th day.

 

[metis]

Wrong, everyone of Gods 10 commandments are repeated in the NT as the standard of Christian living including Gods Sabbath commandment that Jesus and all the Apostles kept and obeyed even after the death and resurrection of Jesus .You do not know the scriptures I see.
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You are being untruthful with your responses here or just do not understand or know scripture. Receive Gods correction and be blessed. Ignoring Gods Word does not make it disappear. According to Jesus, the Words of God we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day in John 12:47-48.

Take Care

How come you left out the other 603?

 

[3rdAngel]

How come you left out the other 603?

Why? Do you do animal sacrifices and sin offerings in the new testament in order to receive God's forgiveness of your sins in the New Testament? The old covenant laws of atonement for sin, circumcision, the Levitical Priesthood and earthly Sanctuary laws, and annual Feast days were all shadows of things to come, now fulfilled and continued in Gods promised Christ and Messiah in Jesus and His work of salvation for all mankind to who these laws all pointed to (see Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:13; Hebrews 9:1-27; Hebrews 10:1-22; John 1:26; 36). We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant, based on better promises (see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34).

Take Care.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Why? Do you do animal sacrifices and sin offerings in the new testament in order to receive God's forgiveness of your sins in the New Testament? The old covenant laws of atonement for sin, circumcision, the Levitical Priesthood and earthly Sanctuary laws, and annual Feast days were all shadows of things to come, now fulfilled and continued in Gods promised Christ and Messiah in Jesus and His work of salvation for all mankind to who these laws all pointed to (see Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:13; Hebrews 9:1-27; Hebrews 10:1-22; John 1:26; 36). We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant, based on better promises (see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34).

Take Care.

Although a sizable number of the laws have to do with the temple and sacrifice, there are still many others that don't. For example the laws about what foods may be eaten, holidays to be kept, what sexual relations are allowed, laws against assault, etc. It really makes no sense to me whatsoever to think that somehow the 10 commandments encompasses the totality of what God expects.

 

[3rdAngel]

Although a sizable number of the laws have to do with the temple and sacrifice, there are still many others that don't. For example the laws about what foods may be eaten, holidays to be kept, what sexual relations are allowed, laws against assault, etc. It really makes no sense to me whatsoever to think that somehow the 10 commandments encompasses the totality of what God expects.

Agreed.. who says we should not obey those laws you mentioned? All these sub moral laws are only really expounding of Gods 10 and our moral duty of love to God and man. The dietary, and hygiene laws are also given to us from God and His blessings of good health. As for temple and priesthood laws of atonement, circumcision, annual feasts, and civil laws to the nation of Israel that make up the majority of these 613 laws? These were shadows of things to come now fulfilled and continued in Jesus to who they pointed to based on better promises in the new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34).

Take Care.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Agreed.. who says we should not obey those laws you mentioned?

So then I'm just curious. I'm not judging regardless of how you answer. But for example, do YOU keep all the holy days described in the Torah? Do you eat only foods allowed by Torah? Do you keep all of the sexual laws, including the law against sleeping with the wife during her period? Do you take care that your clothing does not mix linen and wool? I'm not asking to argue with you. I just want to get to know you better.

 

[3rdAngel]

So then I'm just curious. I'm not judging regardless of how you answer. But for example, do YOU keep all the holy days described in the Torah? Do you eat only foods allowed by Torah? Do you keep all of the sexual laws, including the law against sleeping with the wife during her period? Do you take care that your clothing does not mix linen and wool? I'm not asking to argue with you. I just want to get to know you better.

The annual Feasts no... I believe they are a part of the shadows fulfilled and continued in Christ and teach Gods plan of salvation for all mankind. They were also heavily linked into the old covenant laws of the Levitical Priesthood, and Sanctuary laws of atonement and animal sacrifices and sin offerings. All the other laws you mentioned of course.

Take Care.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The annual Feasts no... I believe they are a part of the shadows fulfilled and continued in Christ and teach Gods plan of salvation for all mankind. They were also heavily linked into the old covenant laws of the Levitical Priesthood, and Sanctuary laws of atonement and animal sacrifices and sin offerings. All the other laws you mentioned of course.

Take Care.

Well, that rather makes you an interesting person to me. Thank you for sharing.

 

[YoursTrue]

What a lovely response.

The ten commandments are also repeated in Deuteronomy 5:

12 “Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

God's power is immutable. So He can and did deliver His people to freedom of worship. Now then the question goes on, however -- it's getting late again and we might ponder over this another time. Shalom, and erev tov.