"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[YoursTrue]

Hi YT, according to the scriptures, Gods Sabbath is one of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of GOOD (moral right doing when obeyed) and EVIL (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); SIN (moral wrong doing when disobeyed) and RIGHTEOUSNESS (moral right doing when obeyed). *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and Psalms 119:172. God created the Sabbath on the "seventh day" of the creation week for all mankind according to Jesus in Mark 2:27. There was no Jew, no Israel, no Moses when God made the Sabbath for mankind. There was only Adam and Eve created on the sixth day of creation according to Genesis 1:26-31. Everyone of Gods 10 commandments are repeated in the new testament as a requirement and standard of Christian living according to the scriptures and just like any of Gods 10 commandments it is sin to break it *see James 2:10-11; compare 1 John 3:4.

@IndigoChild5559 also --
There is a sabbath resting for the people of God. The history of a weekly 24 hour sabbath observance began with the nation of Israel in the wilderness in the second month after the exodus from Egypt. Exodus 16:1. God had told Moses that the miraculous provision of the manna would be double on the sixth day. But noteworthy is the following (I quote from the King James Bible): Exodus 31:15 - "Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death." Perhaps we can discuss this later.

 

[YoursTrue]

In Genesis it says that God rested on the 7th day.

I realize that. Again I mention that the first 6 days had a beginning and an end. The 7th day (God's rest) is not said to have a close in that creation account. The other 6 days did have a close. And the Sabbath Day observance was instituted for the people of Israel after the exodus from Egypt. Exodus chapter 31 brings out some substantial points about this. Psalm 121:4 also brings out that God does not need to sleep.
"Behold, he that keepeth Israel Will neither slumber nor sleep."
Therefore, the rest does not mean that He needed a vacation or took a day off.
And I"m sure you know that Jesus said that his Father kept working, interestingly enough, even on the Sabbath. Therefore -- you're knowledgeable -- I leave the point up to you.
John 5 speaks of this, verses 14-18, as you probably know, Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath, and he answered accordingly.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

God's power is immutable. So He can and did deliver His people to freedom of worship. Now then the question goes on, however -- it's getting late again and we might ponder over this another time. Shalom, and erev tov.

Shalom and erev tov my friend.

 

[YoursTrue]

Shalom and erev tov my friend.

Yes, my dear.

 

[YoursTrue]

@IndigoChild5559 ok, I'm ready to go on a little bit -- not much, it's the end of a day for me -- but what struck me is the statement in Exodus: " Exodus 31:15 - "Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death." I see that the penalty of death was placed on someone who does any work in the sabbath day as prescribed by God. So this is particularly of interest to me because I recall the accusations against Jesus when he did certain things on the sabbath day. We can talk about this later, but yes, it points out that the penalty God placed upon ignoring the sabbath day rest was death.
Shalom. There are new heavens and a new earth coming, promised Isaiah. (Isaiah 65.)

17 For look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth;
And the former things will not be called to mind,
Nor will they come up into the heart.
18 So exult and be joyful forever in what I am creating.
For look! I am creating Jerusalem a cause for joy
And her people a cause for exultation.

Imagine nothing hurtful called to mind in the future, new heavens and new earth.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

@IndigoChild5559 ok, I'm ready to go on a little bit -- not much, it's the end of a day for me -- but what struck me is the statement in Exodus: " Exodus 31:15 - "Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death." I see that the penalty of death was placed on someone who does any work in the sabbath day as prescribed by God. So this is particularly of interest to me because I recall the accusations against Jesus when he did certain things on the sabbath day. We can talk about this later, but yes, it points out that the penalty God placed upon ignoring the sabbath day rest was death.
Shalom. There are new heavens and a new earth coming, promised Isaiah. (Isaiah 65.)

17 For look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth;
And the former things will not be called to mind,
Nor will they come up into the heart.
18 So exult and be joyful forever in what I am creating.
For look! I am creating Jerusalem a cause for joy
And her people a cause for exultation.

Imagine nothing hurtful called to mind in the future, new heavens and new earth.

Keep in mind that the penalties listed in the Torah are the maximum sentences. In reality, the death penalty was almost never used. Judges could and did issue lesser penalties. Indeed, it is said that any court that handed down even one death sentence in 70 years was a "bloody court."

But at any rate, yes, the Torah certainly makes clear the importance of Jews keeping the shabbat.

It took time for all the kinks to be worked out in Jewish law as to how to properly keep the sabbath. Debates on the topic were still happening in Jesus' day between the school of Hillel and the school of Shammai among the Pharisees. So for example, Jesus is accused of breaking the Sabbath because he healed a man. The thing is, in today's Jewish law, which is based on the school of Hillel, it is not considered breaking the Shabbat to heal via prayer.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: Hi YT, according to the scriptures, Gods Sabbath is one of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of GOOD (moral right doing when obeyed) and EVIL (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); SIN (moral wrong doing when disobeyed) and RIGHTEOUSNESS (moral right doing when obeyed). *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and Psalms 119:172. God created the Sabbath on the "seventh day" of the creation week for all mankind according to Jesus in Mark 2:27. There was no Jew, no Israel, no Moses when God made the Sabbath for mankind. There was only Adam and Eve created on the sixth day of creation according to Genesis 1:26-31. Everyone of Gods 10 commandments are repeated in the new testament as a requirement and standard of Christian living according to the scriptures and just like any of Gods 10 commandments it is sin to break it *see James 2:10-11; compare 1 John 3:4.

Your response here...

There is a sabbath resting for the people of God. The history of a weekly 24 hour sabbath observance began with the nation of Israel in the wilderness in the second month after the exodus from Egypt. Exodus 16:1. God had told Moses that the miraculous provision of the manna would be double on the sixth day. But noteworthy is the following (I quote from the King James Bible): Exodus 31:15 - "Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death." Perhaps we can discuss this later.

Hi YT, thanks for your response. I am not sure though how what you post here responds to what you were responding to or the point you are trying to make here. Can you please explain yourself a little better please? Also, did you know that if anyone of Gods people were openly caught publicly breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments in the presence of 2-3 witnesses they could be sentenced to death? This was to teach Gods people of the old covenant that the wages of sin is death (Ezekiel 18:4). Let me know if you would like the scripture references for the death penalty for openly breaking all the other 9 commandments of you are interested. So please forgive me I do not understand the point of your post here.

Take Care.

 

[YoursTrue]

Keep in mind that the penalties listed in the Torah are the maximum sentences. In reality, the death penalty was almost never used. Judges could and did issue lesser penalties. Indeed, it is said that any court that handed down even one death sentence in 70 years was a "bloody court."

But at any rate, yes, the Torah certainly makes clear the importance of Jews keeping the shabbat.

It took time for all the kinks to be worked out in Jewish law as to how to properly keep the sabbath. Debates on the topic were still happening in Jesus' day between the school of Hillel and the school of Shammai among the Pharisees. So for example, Jesus is accused of breaking the Sabbath because he healed a man. The thing is, in today's Jewish law, which is based on the school of Hillel, it is not considered breaking the Shabbat to heal via prayer.

Hello again. Well, of course, not every action could be recorded in the Tanach. And I do not think there is any death penalty by the judges said to have been imposed on someone who breaks a law. In the Tanach at least. I don't know what the Talmud may say about that. Of course yes, the debate about the Sabbath was going on in the first century C.E.
This reminds me of an occurrence which I remember years ago before I studied with the Witnesses I was working at a factory in NYC as a secretary and I watched a worker roll up his sleeves at the sink to wash his hands. I asked him a question, can't remember what it was but I remember his answer. He told me after he washed his hands and forearms that he could not talk as he was washing his hands. So I was fairly taken aback by this because it was the first time I heard of this. I was not raised in a religious household like that so didn't know all the customs.
Anyway, the question of doing "work" on the Sabbath day is there in the accounts about Jesus, which I find interesting BECAUSE -- again -- for one thing, my point is, did God take a day off on the 7th day like He needed to rest? No, of course not. So in what sense what He resting? I will point out again, that the 7th day of Creation is not said to have ended...the other 6 days did end. The Sabbath day observance was instituted yes, for once a week but is different that the creative days described in Genesis.
Again, shalom.

 

[YoursTrue]

Your response here...

Hi YT, thanks for your response. I am not sure though how what you post here responds to what you were responding to or the point you are trying to make here. Can you please explain yourself a little better please? Also, did you know that if anyone of Gods people were openly caught publicly breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments in the presence of 2-3 witnesses they could be sentenced to death? This was to teach Gods people of the old covenant that the wages of sin is death (Ezekiel 18:4). Let me know if you would like the scripture references for the death penalty for openly breaking all the other 9 commandments of you are interested. So please forgive me I do not understand the point of your post here.

Take Care

Hello. I was replying to the point about the difference of type of Sabbath observance. And yes, I think it's important to understand in the conversation that the 7th day of creation as written in Genesis has not ended. And God did give a commandment to the nation of Israel to observe one day a week as a rest day from their work. But for what? This is part of the point, 3rdAngel. Thank you for your response. Perhaps the discussion with IndigoChild might be of some help. Yes it was obviously important for God the Almighty to have His people observe the Sabbath day once a week. I might get into this more later.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Anyway, the question of doing "work" on the Sabbath day is there in the accounts about Jesus, which I find interesting BECAUSE -- again -- for one thing, my point is, did God take a day off on the 7th day like He needed to rest? No, of course not. So in what sense what He resting? I will point out again, that the 7th day of Creation is not said to have ended...the other 6 days did end. The Sabbath day observance was instituted yes, for once a week but is different that the creative days described in Genesis.
Again, shalom.

We might differ on our approach to Genesis 1. Your words above imply that you believe it is history. I do not. I think it is a wonderfully creative story, and I'm glad it is in the Bible. But I do not view it as history or science. Anyhow, I was taught that it was originally a song, with refrain and verses. Each "day" is a verse. And "There was evening and there was morning, the Xth day" is the refrain. You can kind of see the extended family sitting around the fire on a cold dark night of winter, with the grandmother singing this story to the young ones.

 

[3rdAngel]

Hello. I was replying to the point about the difference of type of Sabbath observance. And yes, I think it's important to understand in the conversation that the 7th day of creation as written in Genesis has not ended. And God did give a commandment to the nation of Israel to observe one day a week as a rest day from their work. But for what? This is part of the point, 3rdAngel. Thank you for your response. Perhaps the discussion with IndigoChild might be of some help. Yes it was obviously important for God the Almighty to have His people observe the Sabbath day once a week. I might get into this more later.

Nothing personal, but what are you talking about? The seventh day of creation has ended (Genesis 2:1-3). That is why we have a seven day week and Gods Sabbath commandment of Exodus 20:8-11 is simply every seventh day of the week. Its a memorial of the finished work of creation. (see Genesis 2:1-3).

 

[YoursTrue]

We might differ on our approach to Genesis 1. Your words above imply that you believe it is history. I do not. I think it is a wonderfully creative story, and I'm glad it is in the Bible. But I do not view it as history or science. Anyhow, I was taught that it was originally a song, with refrain and verses. Each "day" is a verse. And "There was evening and there was morning, the Xth day" is the refrain. You can kind of see the extended family sitting around the fire on a cold dark night of winter, with the grandmother singing this story to the young ones.

Ok. You do not believe God created the heavens and the earth? My point is that the 7th day of creation is different from the weekly Sabbath commanded by God for the Jews to observe.

 

[YoursTrue]

Nothing personal, but what are you talking about? The seventh day of the week has ended. That is why we have a seven day week and Gods Sabbath commandment of Exodus 20:8-11 is simply every seventh day of the week. Its a memorial of the finished work of creation. (see Genesis 2:1-3).

I don't take your comment personally. One reason is that it is clear that the 7th creative day is not said to have an end. Do you disagree? All the other 6 days of creation have ended. So have a nice 'day.' Since it is daylight here where I am...

 

[Kenny]

John 20:1
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Rev 1: 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbathdays:

Rom 14: 5
One person judges one day to be more important than another day. Someone else judges every day to be the same. Let each one be fully convinced in his own mind...10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

 

[metis]

John 20:1
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

The 1st day of the week would have started Saturday sundown and continued until Sunday sundown. I mention this since some may not be aware of this.

 

[Kenny]

The 1st day of the week would have started Saturday sundown and continued until Sunday sundown. I mention this since some may not be aware of this.

True... true..

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Ok. You do not believe God created the heavens and the earth?

Oh, I do. I just don't think it happened as described in Genesis 1. The best shot we have at knowing what happened back then is to pay attention to the evidence revealed by Science. Not Genesis.

My point is that the 7th day of creation is different from the weekly Sabbath commanded by God for the Jews to observe.

Again, I can't really address that, since I think the days of Genesis 1 are literary devices meant to create verses to a song, not literal days of a historical creation.

 

[metis]

Oh, I do. I just don't think it happened as described in Genesis 1. The best shot we have at knowing what happened back then is to pay attention to the evidence revealed by Science. Not Genesis.

Again, I can't really address that, since I think the days of Genesis 1 are literary devices meant to create verses to a song, not literal days of a historical creation.

And in likely refutation of earlier and more widespread Babylonian narratives, imo.

 

[3rdAngel]

I don't take your comment personally. One reason is that it is clear that the 7th creative day is not said to have an end. Do you disagree? All the other 6 days of creation have ended. So have a nice 'day.' Since it is daylight here where I am...

Hi YT.. no problem. Where does it say that the seventh day of creation does not have an end in the bible? The seventh day of creation has ended (Genesis 2:1-3). That is why we have a seven day week and Gods Sabbath commandment of Exodus 20:8-11 is simply every seventh day of the week. Its a memorial of the finished work of creation. (see Genesis 2:1-3).

 

[3rdAngel]

John 20:1
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Rev 1: 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbathdays:

Rom 14: 5
One person judges one day to be more important than another day. Someone else judges every day to be the same. Let each one be fully convinced in his own mind...10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

And which of those scriptures that you posted above Kenny, says Gods seventh day Sabbath commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus or that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day"? - None