"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[3rdAngel]

In that passage Jesus says some traditions of the Pharisees were in breach of God's commandments (the Decalogue), that's all. The Old Testament, which is scripture, is full of the practices and rules that Jesus and his disciples did not follow. So they did not follow scripture.

Matthew 15:3-9 is a warning from Jesus saying that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from Gods Word to breaking the commandments of God then we are not worshiping God. This is applicable to this OP because Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word into breaking Gods' seventh day Sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:8-11. This is what makes these scriptures directly relevant to this discussion.

Take Care.

 

[AdamjEdgar]

I like succinctness. No offense -- I'm sure there are many people in here who would love to talk to you. Just not me.

what a copout. Succinctness is something people like you do when they do not have the necessary theology to refute sound and comprehensive arguments put to them. What you do not realise is that answers to posts on these forums are for the purpose of ALL individuals who read them...not people like yourself who are timewasters (given you do not present anything here that is based on sound knowledge of the bible)

 

[3rdAngel]

what a copout. Succinctness is something people like you do when they do not have the necessary theology to refute sound and comprehensive arguments put to them. What you do not realise is that answers to posts on these forums are for the purpose of ALL individuals who read them...not people like yourself who are timewasters (given you do not present anything here that is based on sound knowledge of the bible)

Agreed the person you are responding to does not know the scripture and has not contributed anything to this OP.

 

[3rdAngel]

SUMMARY TO DATE

So 150 pages and 2983 posts to date and not a single scripture that proves Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10. Where as proven in the OP Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8). Matthew 15:3-9 is a warning from Jesus saying that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from Gods Word to breaking the commandments of God then we are not worshiping God. This is applicable to this OP because Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word into breaking Gods' seventh day Sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:8-11. This is what makes these scriptures directly relevant to this discussion. Jesus says in these scriptures if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word into breaking the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. Begs the question who are we worshiping God or man? This will be the test that will come to everyone of us.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

SUMMARY TO DATE

So 150 pages and 2983 posts to date and not a single scripture that proves Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10. Where as proven in the OP Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8). Matthew 15:3-9 is a warning from Jesus saying that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from Gods Word to breaking the commandments of God then we are not worshiping God. This is applicable to this OP because Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word into breaking Gods' seventh day Sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:8-11. This is what makes these scriptures directly relevant to this discussion. Jesus says in these scriptures if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word into breaking the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. Begs the question who are we worshiping God or man? This will be the test that will come to everyone of us.

Again, this remark simply shows that you do not try to understand the things people say to you. Perhaps you don't even bother to read them.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: SUMMARY TO DATE: So 150 pages and 2983 posts to date and not a single scripture that proves Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10. Where as proven in the OP Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8). Matthew 15:3-9 is a warning from Jesus saying that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from Gods Word to breaking the commandments of God then we are not worshiping God. This is applicable to this OP because Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word into breaking Gods' seventh day Sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:8-11. This is what makes these scriptures directly relevant to this discussion. Jesus says in these scriptures if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word into breaking the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. Begs the question who are we worshiping God or man? This will be the test that will come to everyone of us.

Your response here..

Again, this remark simply shows that you do not try to understand the things people say to you. Perhaps you don't even bother to read them.

Well that is not true. Your response above only proves it is you that does not understand what people say to you and you do not bother reading what you are responding to. If you disagree please post me a link anywhere in the 150 pages and 2983 posts to date and showing a single scripture that proves Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10. If you cannot then your own words condemn you.

 

[Kenny]

So 150 pages and 2983 posts to date and not a single scripture

No, that would be incorrect. Countless scriptures, explanations supported by scriptures and questions you never really answered.

The correct statement would be:

''150 pages, 2983 posts to date, and I have not accepted a single scripture and explanation that would change my mind."" as stipulated by Romans 14.

But feel free to pat yourself on the back.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Please stop lying dear friend.

Disagreement with you does not constitute lying.

 

[3rdAngel]

No, that would be incorrect. Countless scriptures, explanations supported by scriptures and questions you never really answered.

The correct statement would be:

''150 pages, 2983 posts to date, and I have not accepted a single scripture and explanation that would change my mind."" as stipulated by Romans 14.

But feel free to pat yourself on the back.

Kenny you know you are not telling the truth. Your claim to Romans 14 has already been debunked. Where does it say in Romans 14 it is talking about the Sabbath? No where. You have to read that into the scriptures. We should not seek to make excuses for lawlessness and sin. The bible does not teach these things. So again... so far there has been in this OP 150 pages and 2983 posts to date and not a single scripture that proves Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10. Where as proven in the OP Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8). Matthew 15:3-9 is a warning from Jesus saying that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from Gods Word to breaking the commandments of God then we are not worshiping God. This is applicable to this OP because Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word into breaking Gods' seventh day Sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:8-11. This is what makes these scriptures directly relevant to this discussion. Jesus says in these scriptures if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word into breaking the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. Begs the question who are we worshiping God or man? This will be the test that will come to everyone of us.

 

[3rdAngel]

Disagreement with you does not constitute lying.

True but you cannot prove your claims can you. If you disagree please post me a link anywhere in the 150 pages and 2983 posts to date and showing a single scripture that proves Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10. If you cannot then your own words condemn you.

 

[Kenny]

Kenny you know you are not telling the truth.

Actually, I am telling the truth with a plethora of people answering your points very succinctly. Now, that you don't want to admit it is a WHOLE 'NUDDER STORY!

Your claim to Romans 14 has already been debunked.

Only in your mind And it supported by Colossians.

 

[3rdAngel]

Actually, I am telling the truth with a plethora of people answering your points very succinctly. Now, that you don't want to admit it is a WHOLE 'NUDDER STORY!

Sorry Kenny we have gone through all your post section by section putting back all the scripture context you disregard which proves that there is nothing you have posted that supports your teachings of lawlessness and justification for practicing sin. So please forgive me if I choose to not believe you and choose instead to believe Gods Word that you choose not to believe and follow. For me only Gods Word is true and we should believe and follow them (see Romans 3:4 and Acts 5:29). According to the test of the scripture in 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4-9; Matthew 7:21-23; Hebrews 10:26-31 you do not know God or His Word so I do not believe you.

Only in your mind And it supported by Colossians.

Once again your claims lawlessness are shown to be false teachings once scripture context is provided to the rest of the bible as already proven in the scriptures and and posts you refuse to respond to and discuss in post # 23; post # 25 and post # 26 linked. Sorry dear friend but practicing known unrepentant sin is not something you should be gambling your salvation over. (see Hebrews 10:26-31; Matthew 7:21-23).

 

[IndigoChild5559]

True but you cannot prove your claims can you. If you disagree please post me a link anywhere in the 150 pages and 2983 posts to date and showing a single scripture that proves Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10. If you cannot then your own words condemn you.

scroll back and read the post I sent you.

 

[3rdAngel]

scroll back and read the post I sent you.

Scroll up and read my response to you. I responded with, you cannot prove your claims can you. I also challenged you saying; "If you disagree please post me a link anywhere in the 150 pages and 2983 posts to date and showing a single scripture that proves Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" of Revelation 1:10. If you cannot then your own words condemn you. I guess you cannot prove your claims can you? If you cannot prove what you say why say why bear false witness. I will leave that between you and God.

 

[Kenny]

Sorry Kenny we have gone through all your post section by section putting back all the scripture context you disregard which proves that there is nothing you have posted that supports your teachings of lawlessness and justification for practicing sin. So please forgive me if I choose to not believe you and choose instead to believe Gods Word that you choose not to believe and follow. For me only Gods Word is true and we should believe and follow them (see Romans 3:4 and Acts 5:29). According to the test of the scripture in 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4-9; Matthew 7:21-23; Hebrews 10:26-31 you do not know God or His Word so I do not believe you.

Once again your claims lawlessness are shown to be false teachings once scripture context is provided to the rest of the bible as already proven in the scriptures and and posts you refuse to respond to and discuss in post # 23; post # 25 and post # 26 linked. Sorry dear friend but practicing known unrepentant sin is not something you should be gambling your salvation over. (see Hebrews 10:26-31; Matthew 7:21-23).

Please, go ahead and pat yourself on the back.

I can't help if you don't like what the responses that have been in the amount of hundreds and hundreds.

It is totally fine with me. You can live by the law as I live by the grace. You can live on your capacity while I rely on the capacity of the anointed one and his anointing. You can live from Sabbath to Sabbath while I live in the unending year of Jubilee.

You can fulfill the counter of what what Paul so wisely said: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. - Boast ahead... I prefer the gift that is by grace.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Scroll up and read my response to you. I responded with, you cannot prove your claims can you.

Your responses were underwhelming. You never dislodged my very accurate and supported assertion.

 

[3rdAngel]

Your responses were underwhelming. You never dislodged my very accurate and supported assertion.

Please forgive me but I do not believe you. Posting scripture that is in disagreement with you as a help to you is not underwhelming. You quoting you trying to argue against the scriptures in disagreement with you is underwhelming. As posted earlier, you quoting you in disagreement with scripture is just you arguing with Gods Word which are not my words but Gods. That is the whole reason scripture has been shared with you in our discussion which you refuse to address and respond to. Everything you have posted has been addressed with the scriptures you refuse to respond to and do not believe so we will agree to disagree and I will leave your argument between and and Gods Word you are arguing against with your words that are not Gods and we will agree to disagree. I will leave it between you and God whose words you do not believe.

 

[3rdAngel]

Please, go ahead and pat yourself on the back.

No need. The scriptures shared with you have only been provided as a help to you for correction and instruction in righteousness and shared with you in love to prove that your teachings of lawlessness are leading you away from God and His Word into walking a path of sin and unbelief which is against God and His Word. They were only sent in love and as a help to you so you can find your way back to God which is my duty of love to both you and God.

I can't help if you don't like what the responses that have been in the amount of hundreds and hundreds. It is totally fine with me.

What you choose to believe is between you and God. Our responses and opinions do not mean much in Gods eyes if our responses are not in agreement with Gods Word and lead us into paths of sin and unbelief. Rejecting the scriptures that are Gods Word that are in disagreement with you should give you cause for concern because it is the scriptures alone that help us to know if we are following God or not following God.

You can live by the law as I live by the grace. You can live on your capacity while I rely on the capacity of the anointed one and his anointing. You can live from Sabbath to Sabbath while I live in the unending year of Jubilee. You can fulfill the counter of what what Paul so wisely said: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. - Boast ahead... I prefer the gift that is by grace. :

According to the scriptures no one lives by Gods grace that we receive through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9) if they do not believe and obey what Gods Word says. As already shared with you from the scriptures, We receive Gods grace through faith and this faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 10:17). So to claim you are living by grace and not believing and obeying what Gods Word says only demonstrates you are not living by grace as shown in John 3:36; Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 2:3 and Hebrews 10:26-31. Of course we are not saved by the works of the law but no one has ever made this claim in this OP. However, according to the scriptures faith in Gods Word is not separate from believing and obeying what Gods Word says. So to claim you have faith or believe Gods Word but do not do what Gods Word says according to James is simply the dead faith of devils and is not saving faith according to James 2:13-26. Obedience to Gods Word therefore is the fruit of someone that has genuine faith in Gods Word and is what Jesus is also talking about in Matthew 7:21-23.

Take Care.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Please forgive me but I do not believe you.

Of course you don't. You are so emotionally invested in your sabbath belief that you are literally incapable of hearing anything to the contrary. I basically reply to you for the informing of those lurking on the thread. I realize that I will never break through to you.

 

[3rdAngel]

Of course you don't. You are so emotionally invested in your sabbath belief that you are literally incapable of hearing anything to the contrary. I basically reply to you for the informing of those lurking on the thread. I realize that I will never break through to you.

Posting scripture that is in disagreement with you is only being emotionally invested in what Gods Word says. You quoting you trying to argue against the scriptures on the other hand which is Gods Word and not my words only proves you do not believe in Gods Word so you do not care what Gods Word says even if it does not agree with anything you say. You have not provided anything in this thread accept your words that are in disagreement with Gods Word who you do not believe. Likewise dear friend, I do not write for you but for those who choose to believe the scriptures you do not believe.