"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[3rdAngel]

And the early Church realized this even as early as the end of the 1st century.

At first, the Church did observe Shabbat but also met on Sunday for the "Agape Meal", which morphed in the Eucharist [communion]. In the 2nd century, the latter became the observance for most but not all since the Church grew and spread out. But this change became possible because by that time the vast majority of Christians were Gentiles, thus no longer under halacha.

No truth in that statement at all. What nonsense! The early Church met together every day of the week as proven in Acts 2:46-47. That does not make every day of the week a holy day of rest now does it? Check the scriptures, from Genesis to Revelation, there is not a single scripture in all the bible that says Gods Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word into breaking the commandments of God (see Matthew 15:2-9). All the disciples and Apostles just like Jesus kept and obeyed Gods Sabbath commandment until the day they died and it can be shown throughout history that God has always had a people that kept all the commandments of God, even the Sabbath.

 

[3rdAngel]

Nah, what happened is that I finally stopped replying to you when it became apparent you were too emotionally committed to be able to hear the truth.

Perhaps you are telling us what happened to you. It is apparent you too emotionally invested in your unbelief which is why you refuse to discuss the scriptures that are in disagreement with you. Does this not worry you? It should.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Please do not lie.. this must be embarrassing for you

• Hebrews 4:9 Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath

If you read on to verse 10, you find that the author of Hebrews means something very different from resting on the seventh day, reinterpreting it as "entering into God's rest" which is described as resting from the obligation to do good works.

Hebrews 4
9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

So basically, I've lost my patience with you quoting verses that do not support a NT command for Chrsitians to rest from work on the seventh day. I didn't bother even looking up your other verses. You have totally lost credibility with me.

I'm done. If you want to have the last word, that's fine. I won't be replying.

 

[3rdAngel]

If you read on to verse 10, you find that the author of Hebrews means something very different from resting on the seventh day, reinterpreting it as "entering into God's rest" which is described as resting from the obligation to do good works.

Hebrews 4
9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

So basically, I've lost my patience with you quoting verses that do not support a NT command for Chrsitians to rest from work on the seventh day. I didn't bother even looking up your other verses. You have totally lost credibility with me.

I'm done. If you want to have the last word, that's fine. I won't be replying.

Your not being truthful again....

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Lamsa Bible
It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Look up the Greek Word Sabbatismos = Sabbath keeping..

 

[metis]

As for saying that "Two Laws" are the only law for "Christians"/Gentiles, well that is not true

Matthew [22]40: Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

 

[metis]

That would simply make me a liar like you.

No truth in that statement at all. What nonsense!

It is apparent you too emotionally invested in your unbelief which is why you refuse to discuss the scriptures that are in disagreement with you

Your not being truthful again....

I've seen more than enough, especially since Jesus taught "love one another...", which is clearly lacking in the above posts addressed to both @IndigoChild5559 and myself. It seems that you're way too much into yourself.

 

[2ndpillar]

Matthew [22]40: Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Do you read what you write? "All the Law and the prophets" "hang" on that you have to love God and your neighbor. That is with respect to every person (Ecclesiastes 12:13), as the Commandments lay out how to do just that and they are not limited to some approximate 38,000 sects claiming to be "Christian". That the "Christians", in general, keep the decrees/commandments of the "beast with two horns like a lamb", the emperor Constantine, and refute the Commandments set within the ark of the covenant, written by the hand of God, is a little bit of doublemindedness. The Ark of the covenant is set to return. Then what are you going to say "after the 'kingdom of our Lord" has come..."forever and ever" (Rev 11:15) as at the start of the millennium, and the ark of His covenant appears? Are you going to do as Paul did, call on your lord Caesar, as in Caesar Constantine, and hope he will plead your case, or send two cohorts of Roman soldiers to save you. No, I think that the "wrath" to come (Rev 11:18) will cause you to seek shelter under rocks (Rev 6:16). I see where you have invested decades in your indoctrination from men, and are slow to give up your false hopes, but I think your time for self-reflection and repentance is coming to a end, as the "end of the age" is upon us. When the time comes, I suggest that even in winter weather, you will not have time to return to your house for your coat (Mt 24:18). Maybe you can join the Mormon sect and wear magic underwear, whereas you can stay warm. The Catholic cup will miss your donations, but remember, the Mormons require a full 10% of your earnings.

Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.”

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Matthew [22]40: Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

This doesn't mean that there aren't other laws. It means that all the other laws can be grouped into one of those two categories, love of God or love of neighbor.

 

[3rdAngel]

This doesn't mean that there aren't other laws. It means that all the other laws can be grouped into one of those two categories, love of God or love of neighbor.

Something we agree on.. This is also what Romans 13:8-10 is referring to " 8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. 9, For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly SUMMED UP IN THIS SAYING, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. This is what Jesus is saying in Matthew 22:36-40 after quoting the two great commandments of love to God and man in Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 in verse 40 "ON THESE TWO GREAT COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS"

 

[3rdAngel]

I've seen more than enough, especially since Jesus taught "love one another...", which is clearly lacking in the above posts addressed to both @IndigoChild5559 and myself. It seems that you're way too much into yourself.

Not really. It is not unloving to tell someone the truth. It is loving to tell someone the truth according to the scriptures when sin and unbelief will lead them away from God and His Word into losing their salvation. As Gods followers we have a duty of love to share Gods Word and to help everyone that are walking the path of sin and death. It is loving therefore to tell the truth and share Gods Word if someones salvation is at stake no matter how unpleasant it might seem to you. I love you enough to say something to you. However it is your choice to believe that scriptures I have shared with you that are in disagreement with you though. I pray you might receive Gods correction and be blessed. Ignoring Gods Word does not make it disappear. It becomes our judge come judgement day according to the scriptures (John 12:47-48).

Take Care.

 

[metis]

This doesn't mean that there aren't other laws. It means that all the other laws can be grouped into one of those two categories, love of God or love of neighbor.

And Hillel the Elder pretty much concluded much the same.

 

[metis]

Do you read what you write? "All the Law and the prophets" "hang" on that you have to love God and your neighbor. That is with respect to every person (Ecclesiastes 12:13), as the Commandments lay out how to do just that and they are not limited to some approximate 38,000 sects claiming to be "Christian". That the "Christians", in general, keep the decrees/commandments of the "beast with two horns like a lamb", the emperor Constantine, and refute the Commandments set within the ark of the covenant, written by the hand of God, is a little bit of doublemindedness. The Ark of the covenant is set to return. Then what are you going to say "after the 'kingdom of our Lord" has come..."forever and ever" (Rev 11:15) as at the start of the millennium, and the ark of His covenant appears? Are you going to do as Paul did, call on your lord Caesar, as in Caesar Constantine, and hope he will plead your case, or send two cohorts of Roman soldiers to save you. No, I think that the "wrath" to come (Rev 11:18) will cause you to seek shelter under rocks (Rev 6:16). I see where you have invested decades in your indoctrination from men, and are slow to give up your false hopes, but I think your time for self-reflection and repentance is coming to a end, as the "end of the age" is upon us. When the time comes, I suggest that even in winter weather, you will not have time to return to your house for your coat (Mt 24:18). Maybe you can join the Mormon sect and wear magic underwear, whereas you can stay warm. The Catholic cup will miss your donations, but remember, the Mormons require a full 10% of your earnings.

Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.”

The word "myopia" comes to my mind when I read the above.

 

[2ndpillar]

The word "myopia" comes to my mind when I read the above.

Myopia is a physical condition which is correctable with a set of cheap glasses. On the other hand, "begging the question", seems to come to mind when looking at your non answers. But then again, what options do you have?

 

[metis]

Myopia is a physical condition which is correctable with a set of cheap glasses. On the other hand, "begging the question", seems to come to mind when looking at your non answers. But then again, what options do you have?

I look at this from an objective perspective, not your myopic perspective.

So, let me make this very simple for you:
- Jewish Law only is binding for Jews, and...
-Jesus said the only two laws mandatory for those in the Way were love of God and love of humankind.

End of story.

 

[2ndpillar]

I look at this from an objective perspective, not your myopic perspective.

So, let me make this very simple for you:
- Jewish Law only is binding for Jews, and...
-Jesus said the only two laws mandatory for those in the Way were love of God and love of humankind.

End of story.

One "loves" mankind by not killing him, stealing from him, taking his wife, coveting their neighbors' goods, and not making false witness against him. You love God by keeping the other 4 commandments. One shows they love God by keeping his Commandments (1 John 5:3). Your point of view is purely subjective. One is born of the devil by not keeping the commandments and who commits "sin", is "of the devil" (1 John 3:8).

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

1 John 3:8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

 

[3rdAngel]

I look at this from an objective perspective, not your myopic perspective.

So, let me make this very simple for you:
- Jewish Law only is binding for Jews, and...
-Jesus said the only two laws mandatory for those in the Way were love of God and love of humankind.

End of story.

Yes in your unbelieving view of the bible Gentile believers are free to go out and break Gods law. The bible does not teach this though. That is a doctrine of devil you twist to your own destruction that is unsupported in the bible according to the scriptures. See Matthew 5:17-28; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; Matthew 7:13-23). Jesus and none of the Apostles taught what you teach. Does this not worry you? It should. You doctrine of lawlessness is no where to be found in the bible.

 

[metis]

Yes in your unbelieving view of the bible Gentile believers are free to go out and break Gods law.

What a clueless and dishonest statement. If a person follows Jesus' Two Commandments, they won't intentionally break any Commandment that establishes moral conduct.

Your accusations and insults and arrogance defy what Jesus taught, so...

bye.

 

[2ndpillar]

What a clueless and dishonest statement. If a person follows Jesus' Two Commandments, they won't intentionally break any Commandment that establishes moral conduct.

Your accusations and insults and arrogance defy what Jesus taught, so...

bye.

When the rapist rapes someone's wife, in their view, they are loving their neighbor's wife. It is all subjective, with respect to the twisted minds and hearts of the individual. When the Progressive takes from the workers, to give to those who do not work, well, in their eyes, they are simply being magnanimous to others by taking from someone else, and giving it to another, in the name of their superior morals. In some countries that is called Communism, or in some it is called socialism, and in some countries, it is called Progressivism. It is all based on the moral superiority of man's concepts versus the Commandments of God, for which Yeshua preached per Matthew 19:18-19. But then again, each to his own.

Matthew 19:18-19 Then he said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS; 19HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

When the rapist rapes someone's wife, in their view, they are loving their neighbor's wife.

No. Rape has absolutely nothing to do with love, nor do rapists think they are being loving.

 

[2ndpillar]

This doesn't mean that there aren't other laws. It means that all the other laws can be grouped into one of those two categories, love of God or love of neighbor.

What seems obvious to some, is apparently not obvious to others. (Isaiah 6:9) In this case, it seems that the traditions promoted by religions, can often overcome what should be obvious to a 7-year-old child. This often leads to the rebellion of children against their parents. If your child now has purple hair, tattoos, and piercings throughout their bodies, that is often a sign of rebellion against the parents. Other signs are language, loudness, learned rote, and being depressed and overweight.