Now, can you read the mind of a rapist? Rape, or if prosperous, prostitution, may be the only "love" a rapist is capable of having. Or if one is a Muslim, and a wife of a captive enemy, is in their right hand/possession, to love their god, they are permitted to rape that captive woman, for the love of the Koran and their traditions, supposedly the word of their god. It is under love of the word of Allah, that they can kill the kaffir (Jews and Christians) and get a reward in heaven. The term "love" is not immutable, and the term is subjective. On the other hand, the Commandments are written in stone until the end of the age (Jeremiah 31:33-34).
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"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I would say that most of the laws that are grouped into the "Love God" category, are not naturally intuited. I don't think any seven year old spontaneously thinks it is wrong to eat lobster or to clean their room on Saturday.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Since Jesus reflected the basic approach of the 613 Commandments of Moses [love one another...], his approach was basically one of socialism, which demanded that everyone, especially the widows and the poor, must be helped through tzedakah and the state. Jesus never negated this.
What is contrary to the Gospel, otoh, is dog-eat-dog capitalism because it has money being more important than people.
Yeshua's message was that one sells all of his property and give to the poor (widows and orphans) on their own accord to become "perfect", after first keeping all the Commandments (Mt 19:18-19). God's message to the Jews was to not rob the widows and orphans of their home. The 1st premise of Marx, the father of Communism, Socialism, and Progressivism, is that there is no god, and that there is no 2nd amendment right, and that only the government can be armed to take from the workers and give to the non-workers and leaders by force. You will notice that the only communist/socialist in the Senate owns 3 mansions. The leader of the BLM construct is a trained Marxist, who owns 3 mansions, and didn't pay her socialist contributions (taxes). The contrarian view versus Marxism/socialism is that you cannot take or covet your neighbor's goods. It is the self made high moralism of men/Marx and his followers, the "woke", who wind up killing million by way of their self-made morality (Mao (80 million & Stalin (millions) & Po Pot (millions)). Under your dog-eat-dog capitalism, the world has gone from being mostly poverty stricken, to a raised standard of living for almost everyone. You seem to be a product and member of the educational elite, who receive a major portion of the funds taken from the actual working people to provide socialist propaganda for the Progressive leadership. To each his own, until they have to own up to their culpability.
I was referring to "Christians" who like the Roman Catholics, proscribe the 10 Commandments, but as the topic suggests, do not try and keep them. As for the Jews, their "scribes" have made a lie out of the Law (Jeremiah 8:8). I served cereal to a Jewish friend's daughter who was sick, and I got into trouble for using the wrong bowl. The law said you can't cook the meat in the milk of the animal, and I wind up getting in trouble for serving cereal in a bowl. Now as far as I can see, it hasn't made young Jews that rebellious, but they seem to be kowtowed into following leadership, whether right or wrong. You had to have 1500 Jews killed in one day to wake any of them up. I am not sure they have woken up to the false claims from the current administration on how badly Covid was lied about. Talk about sheep being led into slaughter. The adverse effects from the covid vaccines is far from over, and a great number of the physicians involved were Jewish. They will have another chance with respect to the new X variety.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
As a Jew, I would say that not all the of the ten are universal laws. Deuteronomy states that keeping the sabbath is to remember that God brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand. Gentile Christians do not have ancestors who were slaves in Egypt. The Sabbath was never meant to be a universal commandment. Nor do I think anyone would naturally come intuit that it is wrong to mow their lawn on Saturday.
You might want to actually read the 10 Commandments. "For in six days the LORD made the heaven and the earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day, wherefore the LORD bless the sabbath day, and hallowed it." It is also used to mark the "end of the age" (Daniel 12:13), whereas the kingdom of David will be set up (Ezekiel 37) with a combining of the house of Judah and the house of Israel/Ephraim, whereas 1 day is as a 1000 years, and we are now approaching the year 6000 of the Jewish lunar year. The Sabbath is to be a sign between God and his people, a mark on the forehead and the hand so to speak. Whereas the "Christians" in general, keep the commandment of the "beast with two horns like a lamb", Constantine, by keeping his "day of the Lord", his Lord being Sol Invictus, his god, whose day is Sunday, the day of the sun.
And the Commandments were meant for all of the people (Ecclesiastes 12:13) "Fear God and keep His commandment, because this applies to every person". The Sabbath to remember the coming out of Egypt is the high holy Sabbeth of the feast of Booths, commemorating the Exodus, which will be kept again by all the nations/Gentiles at the "end of the age" (Zechariah 14:16), which is after the Passover and the high holy Sabbeth of the feast of Unleavened Bread.
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
This is not accurate. Here is the passage:
12Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord your God commanded you. | יבשָׁמ֛וֹר אֶת־י֥וֹם הַשַּׁבָּ֖ת לְקַדְּשׁ֑וֹ כַּֽאֲשֶׁ֥ר צִוְּךָ֖ יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֶֽיךָ: | |
| 13Six days may you work, and perform all your labor, | יגשֵׁ֤שֶׁת יָמִים֙ תַּֽעֲבֹ֔ד וְעָשִׂ֖יתָ כָּל־מְלַאכְתֶּֽךָ: | |
| 14but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall perform no labor, neither you, your son, your daughter, your manservant, your maidservant, your ox, your donkey, any of your livestock, nor the stranger who is within your cities, in order that your manservant and your maidservant may rest like you. | ידוְיוֹם֙ הַשְּׁבִיעִ֔י שַׁבָּ֖ת לַֽיהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֑יךָ לֹא־תַֽעֲשֶׂ֨ה כָל־מְלָאכָ֜ה אַתָּ֣ה | וּבִנְךָֽ־וּבִתֶּ֣ךָ וְעַבְדְּךָֽ־וַֽאֲמָתֶ֗ךָ וְשֽׁוֹרְךָ֤ וַֽחֲמֹֽרְךָ֙ וְכָל־בְּהֶמְתֶּ֔ךָ וְגֵֽרְךָ֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר בִּשְׁעָרֶ֔יךָ לְמַ֗עַן יָנ֛וּחַ עַבְדְּךָ֥ וַֽאֲמָֽתְךָ֖ כָּמֽוֹךָ: | |
| 15And you shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord your God took you out from there with a strong hand and with an outstretched arm; therefore, the Lord, your God, commanded you to observe the Sabbath day. | טווְזָֽכַרְתָּ֗ כִּ֣י עֶ֤בֶד הָיִ֨יתָ֙ בְּאֶ֣רֶץ מִצְרַ֔יִם וַיֹּצִ֨אֲךָ֜ יְהֹוָ֤ה אֱלֹהֶ֨יךָ֙ מִשָּׁ֔ם בְּיָ֥ד חֲזָקָ֖ה וּבִזְרֹ֣עַ נְטוּיָ֑ה עַל־כֵּ֗ן צִוְּךָ֙ יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֔יךָ לַֽעֲשׂ֖וֹת אֶת־י֥וֹם הַשַּׁבָּֽת: |
Exodus 20:11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. 12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. 13Thou shalt not kill. 14Thou shalt not commit adultery.You are using Deuteronomy instead of Exodus 20:11. The basis of the 7th day rest was established at creation, and it was for all of creation, after which, the LORD rested. The Sabbath rest of God preceded Israels stay in Egypt.
Exodus 20:11 from your bible source, which would be directly from the covenant written in stone and placed in the ark.
11For [in] six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day. Therefore, the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it.
As for who is to keep the Sabbath, and "my covenant", that would include the strangers who want to worship on God's mountain. (Isaiah 56:6). "My servant" was made to be a light to the world. (Isaiah 49:6)
Isaiah 56:6
Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isaiah 49:5-6 And now says the LORD, who formed Me from the womb to be His Servant, to bring Jacob back to Him, that Israel might be gathered to Him—for I am honored in the sight of the LORD, and My God is My strength— 6 He says: “It is not enough for You to be My Servant, to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the protected ones of Israel. I will also make You a light for the nations, to bring My salvation to the ends of the earth.”
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Do you imagine that these others verses somehow make the verses from Deuteronomy vanish? They don't. Case closed.
3rdAngel
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As a Jew you need to read your bible more. Deuteronomy was not the reason God gave the 10 commandments and the Sabbath commandment. God tells us in His own words in Exodus 20:8-11 that the reason for the Sabbath was because (v11) in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and made it holy. This is a reference back to Genesis 2:1-3 1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2, And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3, And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. In Mark 2:27 Jesus says that "The Sabbath was made for man" He does not say that the Sabbath was made for the Jew. There was no Jew, no Moses, no Israel, when God made the Sabbath for all mankind. There was only Adam and Eve.
Deuteronomy 5:12-15 was Moses reading the book of the law after God already had spoken the law to the people of Israel. After Moses repeated Gods Sabbath commandment in Deuteronomy 5:12-14; Moses says to the people of Israel that they should remember that they were servants in the land of Egypt and that the Lord delivered them out of Egypt with a mighty hand; therefore the Lord commanded them to keep the Sabbath. Why? Because they were slaves in Egypt not keeping the Sabbath. That is not the original reason why God gave the Sabbath. The reason why God gave the Sabbath commandment is stated in the commandment Exodus 20:11 because in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and made it holy. This is a reference back to Genesis 2:1-3 and the reason for the Sabbath. You do err not knowing the scriptures.
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3rdAngel
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Your mistake here is thinking that love is separate from obeying what Gods law says. Love is not separate from obedience to Gods law. Love is how we are to obey Gods law from the heart. This is Gods new covenant promise. Your teachings of lawlessness are unbiblical and a doctrine of devils
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Who was in charge while God rested? The first six days of creation, each created something pivotal for the universe. After that it; day seven, it is just maintenance and not any new epic creation, allowing to God to rest. It is similar to team of architects and a large construction team building a new sky scraper. After the building is finished, the team goes home to rest up before starting the next major job. The building is now self standing and is handed over to the maintenance crews to keep it up and running; replace lights, sweep the floors.
The question is how long did God's Divine Sabbath last? The human Sabbath rest only lasts 24 earth hours, and then it is back to work. But the Old Testament never formally has God going back to work after just 24 earth hours of rest, just like the humans. The creation was already done and there is nothing more to be added that cannot be explained with what is already here. The plague of locus at the time of Moses did not invent the locus, but used what was already here; major hatching. This would be connected to a maintenance crew.
If you read through the Bible from the Old through the New Testament, God does not return to any God requiring epic style of creation, in par, with the first six days of Genesis type creation, until late in Revelations. God was not needed for day to day, maintenance, allowing him to rest for an extended period time until a new cycle of epic creation is needed. Sunday would be a new first day of creation, where God would form a brand new universe and a Heavenly Jerusalem to decorate the new Earth.
Revelations 21; Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a]for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
Who was in charge while God recharged his batteries after the first six day of creation, so he could eventually create a new heaven and earth and finally be a God living among the humans? The answer appears to be Satan; Lord of the Earth. Satan had been called Lucifer, and had been way up the chain of command during the first six days of creation. Lucifer was sort of a diversity affect; God creates the tree and Lucifer makes the variety of tree species, from the template. Lucifer as Satan would cause a decline in the first cycle of creation; diversity law of good and evil, requiring a new heaven and earth; a more evolved universe prototype.
Christianity, due to the promise of the Spirit, was more forward looking, due to a different dispensation of fresher prophesy; Revelations. Satan had been condoned in Heaven, as the Lord of the Earth, as God rested on the first Sabbath. However, he would be eventually thrown from heaven; lost his divine support, as God began to prepare to start a new work week; second first day, or the new Sunday after the divine Sabbath rest was over. The influence of Satan and law on creation would no longer be used to deteriorate and pervert creation via the humans. God will be there in person, deeming what to do, rather than have a middle man exceed his authority, while God rested.
In modern times, law is connected to good and evil and law itself can be used for good or evil. All dictators will use law to cheat the system; law for evil and self serving intent. Biden will use the lack of DOJ Agency accountability, to the people, to attack political opponents. Law can be used for evil. This was not the intent of God but came from the maintenance staff.
In Revelations, the details of the second heaven and earth only speaks of two days; new heaven and earth are created and then the Heavenly Jerusalem descends. God is back to work. God starts day three, with his people, on Tuesday, creating a different type of creation connected to divine nature of human souls. The earth is no longer covered in water, implying biological life is bypassed, for a more ethereal form of life and humanity, where space and time are not connected; eternal life. Sunday is a day of hope which nevertheless also builds upon the idea that eternal soul needing a day a rest, from the negatives of the world.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Nonsense as laissez faire capitalism no longer exists anywhere in today's world.
What a dishonest and stereotyped response the above is. Dishonesty on the name of "Christ".
You don't know my background but are so willing to stereotype people who actually study and think. False, as his Parable of the Widow's Mite shows that he still supported the mandate under Jewish Law regarding the necessity of the tithe, which went to the Temple priests and the Great Sanhedrin that included helping the poor.
I have better things to do and more honest people that I'd rather converse with.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
That is a truly bigoted and sick post.
In this generation, good is called evil, and evil is called good (Isaiah 5:20). Incompetence, corruption, and mental disintegration are the leadership qualities (Biden) of the Progressives, who are the "wicked"/"those who commit lawlessness" at this "end of the age". (Mt 13:30-42) They also have the cooperation of the "many" being led to "destruction" by the "false prophets" (Mt 7:12-24) You seem to delight in begging the question, and relying on throwing unwarranted stones at the messenger, a common Progressive Left trait.
Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Matthew 7:13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14“For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
15“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16“You will know them by their fruits.
I kind of think the widow gave all she owned (2 mites) to the poor, and not 10%. As socialism rises, and capitalism retreats, so goes the living standards of the poor. A good example of a country well on the way to being crushed due to socialism/Communism is Venezuela, trying to compete with the Communist Cuba. If one supports leftist positions, then they can be assumed to be leftist. As you claim to be a thinker and a studier, and if one looks at your responses, one can easily assume who and what you study, and the level of your thought. You might want to put more effort into your responses if you want people to think you are thoughtful, or that you even read the bible, instead of teaching your own perspective which would support your leftist positions.Nonsense as laissez faire capitalism no longer exists anywhere in today's world.
What a dishonest and stereotyped response the above is. Dishonesty on the name of "Christ".
False, as his Parable of the Widow's Mite shows that he still supported the mandate under Jewish Law regarding the necessity of the tithe, which went to the Temple priests and the Great Sanhedrin that included helping the poor.
I have better things to do and more honest people that I'd rather converse with.
Deuteronomy includes an addition to the Commandments contained in the Ark of the covenant. Any additions were because of the sins of the Israelites, not the sins of "every person" (Ecclesiastes 12:13) that the Commandments were intended for. Not that keeping the commandments for the Israelis was not good, but some of the statutes were loaded on the Israelis because of their sins (Ezekiel 20:25). To worship on God's mountain (Mount Zion), one must keep the Sabbath and the covenant (found in the Ark of the Covenant), and this includes "foreigners" (non-Israelis). (Isaiah 56:6)
Ezekiel 20:25
I also gave them statutes that were not good, and ordinances by which they could not live;
Isaiah 56:6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, To attend to His service and to love the name of the LORD, To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it, And holds firmly to My covenant;
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
What a totally bizarre post, and as Steven Hawing said, Trump "is a demagogue who appeals to the lowest common denominator." -- Stephen Hawking Angers Trump Supporters with Baffling Array of Long Words
And with this batch of your posts, it's a reminder why I had you on my ignore list for so long.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
When you start your post with a personal attack, don't expect me to read the rest.