"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ Sure I provided scripture showing Christians are to keep the Sabbath. Just like Christians are not to lie, steal or murder. Jesus and the Apostles all kept the Sabbath as did the early Church. It is you that cannot show me a single scripture in all the bible that says Gods' 4th commandment which is one of Gods' 10 commandments that give a the knowledge of what sin is when broke (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest now have you. Your not seriously trying to argue now that Gods' 10 commandments are abolished now are you by quoting an out of context Ephesians 2:15 now are you? That interpretation of the scripture is pretty much in contradiction to the whole bible and all the writings of Jesus and the Apostles in the new testament. Are you really trying to argue that for Christians that the 10 commandments of which the 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath we are now free to disobey? Think about your post for a minute. If your trying to pull a single scripture from Ephesians 2:15 and your trying to argue that it is a reference to Gods' 10 commandments then how do you reconcile that interpretation of scripture with all the scriptures from Jesus and the Apostles that teach they are to be obeyed? Your interpretation of Ephesians 2:3 is saying it is now alright for Christians to go out and lie, steal commit adultery, murder, use Gods name in vain, make idols and have other Gods. I hope that is not what your saying. Gods' 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath is one of those same commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is in the new covenant.

FYI read the whole chapter of Ephesians 2 for context. Don't simply believe what others are trying to teach you. Prayerfully study God's Word for yourself. According to the scriptures, the enmity between the Jews and the Gentiles is the separation between them by the commandments contained in “ordinances (Ephesians 2:15). God’s 10 commandments were never contained in ordinances. The Greek word used here is the same words used in Colossians 2:14 “Blotting out the handwriting contained in ordinances that were against us.” The Greek word used here for “ordinances” is δόγμα (dógma | G1378) which means a civil; ceremonial or ecclesiastical law that was against us. So the reference here is not to God’s 10 commandments but the laws in “ordinances” (civil; ceremonial or ecclesiastical law) that separated Jews from the Gentile believers in Ephesians 2:15. The laws of separation were the laws for remission of sins. Genetile believers were not allowed to partake of the laws for remission of sins unless they became proselytes or converted to Judaism. Jesus broke down the middle wall of partition by His death putting and end to the old covenant laws for remission of sins (earthly Sanctuary, the Levitical Priesthood, animal sacrifices and sin offerings) that all point to Christ and were fulfilled in Him at his death nailing them to the cross *Colossians 2:14 hat he might create in himself of the two (Jew and Gentile believers) one new man, so making peace and might reconcile them both in one body unto God through the cross, having slain the enmity thereby (sin and its penalty of condemnation and death) *Ephesians 2:15-16.

Your response here...

I am no less a Christian than you and if you think that you have to keep the Sabbath to be a Christian then that might mean that you are making your salvation through works of the law.
Jesus was a Jew who kept the Sabbath. The early Church were Jews and kept the Sabbath. The later Church became more Gentile and we know they did not need to seek salvation through law keeping just as the Jewish Christians who kept the Sabbath did not.

Hi Brian, nice to see you again. According to the scripture, I believe Gods' people are in every Church (John 10:17) living up to all the knowledge that God has revealed to them from His Word. The problem is not all the Church's are following God and His Word but have been teaching Gods' people to follow man made teachings and traditions that have led many to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. Jesus tells us in John 4:23-24 that the hour is coming and now is that Gods' true worshipers will worship the father in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. God is calling us all Brian to come out from following man-made teachings and traditions back to following His Words in Spirit and in truth. According to the scriptures in Acts 17:3-31 and James 4:17 God does not hold us accountable for sin until we know what sin is through His Word. So in times of ignorance as long as we are growing in God's grace and faith in His Word God winks at until He gives us a knowledge of the truth. According to Hebrews 10:26-31 God only holds us accountable for sin once He gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we then choose to reject His Words in order to continue practicing known unrepentant sin. So if you are a Christian or not I do not judge you. That is between you and God Brian but be it known to you none of us can claim to even know God and are not Christians if we do not believe and follow what God's Word says. This is clearly stated in the scriptures, in John 3:36 and 1 John 2:3-4 and Matthew 7:21-23; Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 3:6-9. Those who practice sin and those who do not practice sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil according to 1 John 3:6-10 and Matthew 7:13-23.

It is true that no scriptures tell us to keep the Sabbath, if you think there is such a scripture then show it. The 10 commandments are part of the law that was taken away by Jesus on the cross and with the New Covenant. But I'm not telling you not to keep the Sabbath, that is up to you, but don't do it to be saved, the cross is the completed work for that. The gospel is one of grace and faith and obedience to the Commands of Jesus, to love God and neighbour. It is everything that does not come from faith that is sin. (Romans 14:23)

Brian I do not know what people are teaching you but God's Sabbath is one of God's 10 commandments that the new covenant scriptures tell us give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and according to James in James 2:10-11 if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. According to Hebrews 10:26-31 if we continue in known unrepentant sin after God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we choose to reject it we are in danger of the judgement. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that says Jesus obeyed Gods' law so that we no longer have to. Jesus says in Matthew 5:17 do not even think that is do not even let it come into your mind that I have come to destroy the law and the prophets. He did not come to destroy them but to do them. According to the scriptures we are saved by Gods' grace through faith and our works are not what saves us it is a gift of God *Ephesians 2:8-9 because all of us have sinned already and fall short of God's glory (see Romans 3:8-23). Faith means to believe and obey what Gods' Word says according to the scriptures. Therefore we cannot believe Gods' Word and not do what Gods' Word says as James calls this the dead faith of devils in James 2:14-26 (see also Matthew 7:21-23). So to be honest with you Brian not a single one of us will be saved by continuing known unrepentant sin according to the scriptures. Sin is defined in the scriptures are breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments in James 2:10-11; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; and 1 John 3:4 and not believing Gods' Word in Romans 14:23.

Take Care.

 

[blü 2]

No you didn't and your trying to change what you originally said. You originally stated that the gospel writers and Apostles did not believe Jesus was God. You were proven wrong as I provided you scripture with them calling Jesus God. Jesus never once said He is not God. If you disagree please provide the scriptures where Jesus states he is not God. If you cannot why pretend that he does?
You are not telling the truth and being dishonest here Blu. Your post and scripture example was answered and debunked here in post # 366 linked. Your response was to simply ignore everything in this post that what was written to you and not respond to it. I then invited you then to address this post and show me why you do not believe this post does not address your scripture. To this very moment you have responded with silence. Post # 366 linked addresses your example in detail. I invite you again dear friend, if you disagree with my response to your scripture example address my linked post showing why you disagree and prove your claim. If you cannot address the content of the post and scriptures provided that are in disagreement with you just be honest and say so. You do not have to if you do not want to dear friend. Just be honest about it. It is therefore you that is running away by not addressing any of my posts with all the scripture provided in them that are in disagreement with you.

Take Care.

Still no bible quote by Jesus, "I am God,"

Still your Jesus is a zany shouting "Me, me, why have I forsaken me?"

Still you pretend I didn't show you where all five versions of Jesus deny they're God.

Ah well. You wish not to know those things. That's a matter for you.

 

[Brian2]

To be a Christian apologist one has to be willing to lie for Jesus. In the academic world when one is shown to be wrong one cannot pretend that never happened, yet that site has quite a few examples of people that were shown to have no clue, and yet their arguments are still there as if nothing happened. For example they still have William Lane Craig's fine tuning argument even after he debated Sean Carroll who explained how he got almost all of his science wrong. They just blithely ignore that debate.

This is an academic discussion, find academic resources.

I had to laugh at one of their own arguments. It seemed that they did not even understand the Bible story. Or perhaps what a universal census is. I still don't know what they thought that they were proving.

Here is some helpful advice, if you want to make a point use valid sources. I have not seen one apologist site that was not a Liar for Jesus. You may get your ideas from them, but you need to support them with valid scholarly sites.

I did not see any William Lane Craig in either site I presented for the census of Luke, and what has science to do with it anyway?

 

[3rdAngel]

Still no bible quote by Jesus, "I am God,"

So you have no scripture quotes by Jesus saying He is not God that I asked you for in my previous post to you do you. I did not think so. Just be honest and say so if you have no scripture to support your view. What we do know is that which is revealed to us through the scriptures and the scriptures say this about Jesus being God.

Jesus says...

• John 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE

John states that Jesus is God here...

• JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

John makes it very clear Jesus is God again here...

• 1 JOHN 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.

The Apostles Thomas also believed Jesus was God here...

• JOHN 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!”

As does the writer of Hebrews quoting God here...

• HEBREWS 1:8 But UNTO THE SON HE SAYS, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, WILL LAST FOR EVER AND EVER; A SCEPTER OF JUSTICE WILL BE THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM.

Peter knew Jesus was God and states so here...

• 2 PETER 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of OUR GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

Paul also shows his belief that Jesus is God here...

• TITUS 2:1313 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

• PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 5, Let this mind be in you, which was also in CHRIST JESUS: 6, WHO BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD

The Jews continued to seek to kill Jesus because he they claimed Jesus was claiming himself to be God here...

• JOHN 10:30-33 30 I and the father are one. 31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” 33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, BECAUSE YOU, BEING A MAN, MAKE YOURSELF GOD.”

The Angel even calls Jesus God here..

• LUKE 1:35 “The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy, and HE WILL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD”

Still your Jesus is a zany shouting "Me, me, why have I forsaken me?"

According to John, Jesus is the very Word of God who is God who was also in the beginning with God and all things were created by Him in heaven and earth. This same Word of God was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory as of the only begotten of the father full of grace and truth (John 1:1-4; 14). We are also told in the scriptures that even though Jesus was in the very form of God and thought it not robbery to be equal to God the father, made himself of no reputation, and took upon himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross to save lost sinners so that all those who believe God's Words might receive Gods' forgiveness *Philippians 2:6-8; John 3:36. That is when the Word of God who was God and with God came and lived as a man. That is he came as a man and died as a man He did not come as God living as God but lived His life as a man, being perfectly obedient to Gods' law to fulfill all righteousness to become Gods' (plural) perfect sacrifice for sin so that we as sinners who believe Gods' Word could receive God's forgiveness of sin.

Now if these scriptures are true then it is also written, in 2 Corinthians 5:10 We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad and again." Jesus also stating in John 12:47-48 that our judgement will be on the very words of God we choose to accept or reject, and our life in every word we speak and do. Now if all these scriptures are true and I believe they are, I would not like to be you dear friend calling Jesus who the Apostles all call God, "zany" in a public forum without seeking God's forgiveness. You forget dear friend, although the scriptures teach that Jesus is the God of creation, the scriptures also teach that Jesus came to live as a man on earth and not as God (see Philippians 2:6-8) to fulfill all righteousness so that He as a perfectly obedient man obeying all of Gods (plural) law, can become Gods (plural) perfect sacrifice for sinners so that all who believe and see Gods' great love for them, should not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).

Sadly though the many that are called but of their own doing were not of the few that will be God's chosen, will of their on free will choose to close their eyes to see and their ears to hear and reject the gift of Gods dear son, counting the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of Gods' grace (Hebrews 10:26-31). They are of those who the bible call fools (Psalms 14:1) who think there is no God, who openly mock God not know that their time is running out and there day of Judgement is fast approaching. According to the scriptures I believe for many they will find out only too late that all that time they were mocking their creator who only showed them love trying to call them, warn them and save them from the coming Judgment and wages of sin without atonement which is is death (see Romans 6:23), but they would not come preferring to live a life in their sins and unbelief rejecting Gods' gift of grace and forgiveness through Jesus. There is nothing that will not be hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day according to the scriptures. You do err not knowing the scriptures or God. The plurality or "oneness" or meaning "one God". Although this has already been shown to you through the scriptures you choose to ignore and pretend do not exist (see post 349 linked). Ignoring Gods' Word dear friend does not make it disappear.

Still you pretend I didn't show you where all five versions of Jesus deny they're God. Ah well. You wish not to know those things. That's a matter for you.

No pretending needed. You have been posted scripture from many of the Apostles all in agreement that Jesus is God. You have no scripture of Jesus saying He is not God. You were also shown the oneness and plurality of God through the scriptures
in post 349 linked and elsewhere, I have also challenged you many time now to post me a single scripture of Jesus saying he is not God and to address the content of all my posts and scriptures that are in disagreement with you. - Silence. I wonder why? - There is no scripture of Jesus saying He is not God. There is nothing to deny because you have no scripture to support this view. You do err not knowing the scriptures or the power of God.

Take Care dear friend.

 

[blü 2]

So you have no scripture quotes by Jesus saying He is not God that I asked you for in my previous post to you do you. I did not think so. Just be honest and say so if you have no scripture to support your view. What we do know is that which is revealed to us through the scriptures and the scriptures say this about Jesus being God.

Jesus says...

• John 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE

John states that Jesus is God here...

• JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.

John makes it very clear Jesus is God again here...

• 1 JOHN 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.

The Apostles Thomas also believed Jesus was God here...

• JOHN 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!”

As does the writer of Hebrews quoting God here...

• HEBREWS 1:8 But UNTO THE SON HE SAYS, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, WILL LAST FOR EVER AND EVER; A SCEPTER OF JUSTICE WILL BE THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM.

Peter knew Jesus was God and states so here...

• 2 PETER 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of OUR GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

Paul also shows his belief that Jesus is God here...

• TITUS 2:1313 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

• PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 5, Let this mind be in you, which was also in CHRIST JESUS: 6, WHO BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD

The Jews continued to seek to kill Jesus because he they claimed Jesus was claiming himself to be God here...

• JOHN 10:30-33 30 I and the father are one. 31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” 33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, BECAUSE YOU, BEING A MAN, MAKE YOURSELF GOD.”

The Angel even calls Jesus God here..

• LUKE 1:35 “The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy, and HE WILL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD”

According to John, Jesus is the very Word of God who is God who was also in the beginning with God and all things were created by Him in heaven and earth. This same Word of God was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory as of the only begotten of the father full of grace and truth (John 1:1-4; 14). We are also told in the scriptures that even though Jesus was in the very form of God and thought it not robbery to be equal to God the father, made himself of no reputation, and took upon himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross to save lost sinners so that all those who believe God's Words might receive Gods' forgiveness *Philippians 2:6-8; John 3:36. That is when the Word of God who was God and with God came and lived as a man. That is he came as a man and died as a man He did not come as God living as God but lived His life as a man, being perfectly obedient to Gods' law to fulfill all righteousness to become Gods' (plural) perfect sacrifice for sin so that we as sinners who believe Gods' Word could receive God's forgiveness of sin.

Now if these scriptures are true then it is also written, in 2 Corinthians 5:10 We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad and again." Jesus also stating in John 12:47-48 that our judgement will be on the very words of God we choose to accept or reject, and our life in every word we speak and do. Now if all these scriptures are true and I believe they are, I would not like to be you dear friend calling Jesus who the Apostles all call God, "zany" in a public forum without seeking God's forgiveness. You forget dear friend, although the scriptures teach that Jesus is the God of creation, the scriptures also teach that Jesus came to live as a man on earth and not as God (see Philippians 2:6-8) to fulfill all righteousness so that He as a perfectly obedient man obeying all of Gods (plural) law, can become Gods (plural) perfect sacrifice for sinners so that all who believe and see Gods' great love for them, should not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).

Sadly though the many that are called but of their own doing were not of the few that will be God's chosen, will of their on free will choose to close their eyes to see and their ears to hear and reject the gift of Gods dear son, counting the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of Gods' grace (Hebrews 10:26-31). They are of those who the bible call fools (Psalms 14:1) who think there is no God, who openly mock God not know that their time is running out and there day of Judgement is fast approaching. According to the scriptures I believe for many they will find out only too late that all that time they were mocking their creator who only showed them love trying to call them, warn them and save them from the coming Judgment and wages of sin without atonement which is is death (see Romans 6:23), but they would not come preferring to live a life in their sins and unbelief rejecting Gods' gift of grace and forgiveness through Jesus. There is nothing that will not be hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day according to the scriptures. You do err not knowing the scriptures or God. The plurality or "oneness" or meaning "one God". Although this has already been shown to you through the scriptures you choose to ignore and pretend do not exist (see post 349 linked). Ignoring Gods' Word dear friend does not make it disappear.

No pretending needed. You have been posted scripture from many of the Apostles all in agreement that Jesus is God. You have no scripture of Jesus saying He is not God. You were also shown the oneness and plurality of God through the scriptures
in post 349 linked and elsewhere, I have also challenged you many time now to post me a single scripture of Jesus saying he is not God and to address the content of all my posts and scriptures that are in disagreement with you. - Silence. I wonder why? - There is no scripture of Jesus saying He is not God. There is nothing to deny because you have no scripture to support this view. You do err not knowing the scriptures or the power of God.

Take Care dear friend.

Have a nice day.

 

[3rdAngel]

Have a nice day.

Yes you too.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I did not see any William Lane Craig in either site I presented for the census of Luke, and what has science to do with it anyway?

He was in your first site. And the problem is that you are using nonscholarly sources for a scholarly question. They are not refuting the claims of others they are searching for possible excuses, it is a from of lying and I do not like lying. What happens with apologists is when their first arguments are shown to be wrong they never own up to it. They merely look for more obscure and unsupported excuses.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you have no scripture quotes by Jesus saying He is not God that I asked you for in my previous post to you do you. I did not think so. Just be honest and say so if you have no scripture to support your view. What we do know is that which is revealed to us through the scriptures and the scriptures say this about Jesus being God.

Jesus says...

• John 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE

Just another way of saying "God and I agree". Though of all of the Gospels the least reliable is the one that has the most magic in it.

 

[pearl]

Yet when we come to the Hebrew's version, we are told it took a week that ended with a day rest.

But I think that in the Hebrew creation myth, apparently reaching its final form, although based on ancient traditions, during the Babylonian Exile, the custom of resting on the seventh day was in place. The numbers found also interesting; the numbers 3,4,7,10 dominate. The words 'God said' appears 10 times in the creation account, anticipating the ten commandments?, the number governing the whole is seven. Creation is oriented to the Sabbath, covenant between God and man, and to worship.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But I think that in the Hebrew creation myth, apparently reaching its final form, although based on ancient traditions, during the Babylonian Exile, the custom of resting on the seventh day was in place. The numbers found also interesting; the numbers 3,4,7,10 dominate. The words 'God said' appears 10 times in the creation account, anticipating the ten commandments?, the number governing the whole is seven. Creation is oriented to the Sabbath, covenant between God and man, and to worship.

I was thinking of bringing this up earlier. Many Christians like to claim that the seven day week arose with "their' religion, Even though it they got it from Jewish tradition. The Hebrews appear to have adopted it from the Babylonians and they got it from the Sumerians before them:

Keeping Time: Origins of the Days of the Week

 

[Walter and Debbie]

SUNDAY WORSHIP IS NOT THE LORD'S DAY

The term "the Lord's day" was used by some in the early Church as a reference to Sunday worship in celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. It comes from a scripture in the bible found in Revelation 1

• REVELATION 1:10 10, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

The Greek words used for the day that JOHN was in the Spirit of is the for Lord's day are

• REVELATION 1:10 εγενομην εν πνευματι εν τη κυριακη ημερα και ηκουσα οπισω μου φωνην μεγαλην ως σαλπιγγος

The word "κυριακη" (translit. "kuriake") is an Adjective - Dative - Singular - Feminine. This means it is being used as a 'possessive' as ownership or belonging to ("of", see 1 Corinthians 11:20, "the Lord's supper"), which means the "day" in context belongs to "the Lord". It is literally "the Lord's (belonging to) day". This means, that the "day" in context is uniquely "the Lord's" out of all the 7 days of the week, for the day under consideration is that which exists within the week, as a day which repeats weekly. This is extremely important, as those who incorrectly assume it to mean "the first [day] of the week" in lieu of Jesus' resurrection, cannot get a weekly occurrence out of a one-time event, in fulfillment of typology of the Firstfruit/Wavesheaf in Leviticus 23:9-14, as made known in 1 Corinthians 15:20,23

The problem here however is that there is not a single scripture that references Sunday or the first day of the week (bible names for the days of the week) to being "the Lords day" in scripture.

According to the scripture "the Lords day" however can be referenced to "the Sabbath day" of Gods' 4th commandment found in Exodus 20:8-11.

Letting the scriptures answer this question

• WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES?

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

This then promotes a bit of a dilemma for the Church as there is not a single scripture in all of the bible that days "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10 is Sunday. Yet there is many scriptures referencing "the Lords day" or Gods' specific claims to ownership of any particular day to the Sabbath day that he blessed and set aside as a holy day of rest for a memorial of creation (see Genesis 2:1-3) and made one of Gods' 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11).

God's "ownership" of the Sabbath day or "Lord's day is also repeated elsewhere as "MY" (ownership of the day as in the Greek used in REVELATION 1:10 κυριακη). Other scriptures in the bible pointing to "the Lords day" as being the Sabbath day...

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY. (the Sabbath day is Lord's day)

• ISAIAH 58:13-14 [13], If you turn away your foot from the SABBATH, from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day); and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shall honor him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words: [14], Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.

• LEVITICUS 19:30 You shall keep MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day)and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

• EZEKIEL 20:12 Moreover also I gave them MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day) to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ used in Revelations 1:10 is in reference to the Lord's ownership of the day. It does not say that this day is in reference to μιά των σαββάτων which means the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.

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Your challenge here in this OP is to prove from the scriptures alone that the Lord's DAY is in reference to the First day of the week. If you cannot all you have is a teaching and tradition of men that is not supported in the scriptures. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that refers to Sunday as being "the Lords day".

May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.

Hello 3rdAngel, You are correct, thank you.

Is there anyone that keeps The Sabbath Day Holy, from Sunset on the 6th.Day/Friday until The ending of The 7th. Day at Sunset, on Saturday by The Gregorian Calendar.

If so being on one accord for that event to happen, We want to thank God for your Faith in doing just that as a start to perfection. Every Sabbath , Sabbath Scriptures: About Sabbath Scriptures , Sabbath Day In The KJV

Sabbath Day, Please Read all.

Sabbaths , Judging one another about the Sabbath .

I have reason to believe of the above study, that The Sabbaths and the Feast Days/Holy Convocations goes together for his/Jesus customs as him and The Apostles, went in the synagogues. Luke 4:16 , Acts 17:2

Acts 17:2

Righteousness is a position. When you become saved you are considered in right standing with God. ... Holiness is the quality of being holy,a life that is full of godly character.Righteousness is to be upright in God, to be blamless. A righteousness man is also a holy man,both of them works together.

Ephesians 4 KJV

Love, Walter

 

[pearl]

Many Christians like to claim that the seven day week arose with "their' religion,

I guess Catholics are not among the many who claim this for themselves. What I posted was an excerpt from 'In the Beginning', by Ratzinger, later Pope Benedict XVI.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I guess Catholics are not among the many who claim this for themselves. What I posted was an excerpt from 'In the Beginning', by Ratzinger, later Pope Benedict XVI.

That is why I did not say "all". The Catholics are nowhere near as guilty of reading the Bible too literally as various fundamental sects are. At this site when I run into someone that says "All Christians believe . . . " it is usually some fundamentalist and not an atheist or group like the Catholics.

 

[metis]

In fact, does anyone know exactly what ‘The Lord’s Day’ is???

IMO, it can be any day some group may want.

 

[metis]

You would need evidence for that claim.

Acts and many of the epistles whereas it mentions appointees of the Apostles: Seventy disciples - Wikipedia

Yes "the Lords day" is the Sabbath day (scripture support here linked). Jesus says in Matthew 22:36-40 "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. There is no scripture in all the bible that says Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to replace Gods' 4th commandment and keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection.

You conveniently ignored what Jesus said in regard to his Two Commandments that he said rested all the Law, and they do not include any necessity of observing only on Saturday.

Hey, if you want to have the observance on Saturday, I have no problem with that, but demanding that all others must adhere to your believe is simply ritualism on steroids.

 

[Soapy]

Exactly, you have nothing. We are best to believe and follow what the scriptures teach because according to Romans 3:4 and Acts 5:29 only Gods' Word is true and we should believe and follow them. Ignoring the scriptures do not make them disappear. According to Jesus in John 12:47-48 they become our judge come judgement day.

No! YOU couldn’t find anything wrong with what I said.

That’s what I asked you to show me and Why theg are wrong!!

 

[3rdAngel]

No! YOU couldn’t find anything wrong with what I said.
That’s what I asked you to show me and Why theg are wrong!!

I believe I showed you what I believed you posted was wrong here; see post # 370; post # 371; post # 374; post # 375; post # 381; post # 386; post # 389: post # 439; post # 440; post # 442 and post # 448. If you would like to see why from the scriptures just look at my responses to each one of your posts listed above.

Take care

 

[3rdAngel]

Acts and many of the epistles whereas it mentions appointees of the Apostles:

Hey nice to see you. There is nothing in Acts or the epistles or in any book of the bible or in the writings of the Apostles that says God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God.

You conveniently ignored what Jesus said in regard to his Two Commandments that he said rested all the Law, and they do not include any necessity of observing only on Saturday.

Actually I did not ignore anything. Did you know that Jesus was quoting from the old testament scriptures (Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18). What Jesus was saying in Matthew 22:36-40 was that love is not separate from Gods' law. Love is expressed from the heart in obeying what Gods' law says. The first four commandment are our duty of love to God the next six are our duty of love you our fellow man. What that means is that obeying God's Sabbath is one of the first four commandments showing us how we express love to God. No one therefore can claim to love God by being disobedient to what God's Word says or can they claim to have saving faith *see 1 John 2:3-4 and James 2:13-26.

Hey, if you want to have the observance on Saturday, I have no problem with that, but demanding that all others must adhere to your believe is simply ritualism on steroids.

According to the scriptures, Gods' 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is as stated in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and 1 John 3:4. According to James in James 2:10-11 if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin because according to 1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law and whatsoever is not of faith is sin (Romans 14:23). In Hebrews 10:26-31 we are told that if we continue in known unrepentant sin after God give us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we choose to reject Gods' Word in order to continue in known unrepentant sin we will be in danger of the judgement to come if we do not seek God in repentance and forgiveness of sins. Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments is one of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4). So no dear friend it is not me demanding anything. According to the scriptures it is one of God's 10 commandments and demanded by God. Sunday worship is a man-made tradition and teaching that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God. Our God is calling us all back to His Word to worship Him in Spirit and in truth according to the scriptures (see John 4:23-24; John 10:17; Revelation 18:1-5).

Take Care

 

[3rdAngel]

IMO, it can be any day some group may want.

According to the bible it is the seventh day of the week not any day of the week...

• Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God...

 

[3rdAngel]

Hello 3rdAngel, You are correct, thank you.

Is there anyone that keeps The Sabbath Day Holy, from Sunset on the 6th.Day/Friday until The ending of The 7th. Day at Sunset, on Saturday by The Gregorian Calendar.

If so being on one accord for that event to happen, We want to thank God for your Faith in doing just that as a start to perfection. Every Sabbath , Sabbath Scriptures: About Sabbath Scriptures , Sabbath Day In The KJV

Sabbath Day, Please Read all.

Sabbaths , Judging one another about the Sabbath .

I have reason to believe of the above study, that The Sabbaths and the Feast Days/Holy Convocations goes together for his/Jesus customs as him and The Apostles, went in the synagogues. Luke 4:16 , Acts 17:2

Acts 17:2

Righteousness is a position. When you become saved you are considered in right standing with God. ... Holiness is the quality of being holy,a life that is full of godly character.Righteousness is to be upright in God, to be blamless. A righteousness man is also a holy man,both of them works together.

Ephesians 4 KJV

Love, Walter

Hey Walter and Debbie thanks for sharing your views with us.