"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry, but no; you are being irrational again. You really need to explain why you believe that what he is dong (sic) is fanfiction.

Not really. But then, I am not the one that is not being irrational here. You could admit that you have no clue and try to ask politely. One cannot be constantly rude and demand an answer in a discussion.

 

[samtonga43]

You got the order backwards. You are endless entertainment. How do you do that when still on the same page? Amazing.

And why are you running away from why your exegesis fails? Every time that you ignore reasonable questions you are running away.

LOL! That's not a reasonable question. It's an assumption.

Do you even understand what an assumption is? Your posts indicate that you do not.

 

[samtonga43]

Not really.

Yes. Really.

 

[samtonga43]

One cannot be constantly rude and demand an answer in a discussion.

Oh, the irony!!

 

[Subduction Zone]

LOL! That's not a reasonable question. It's an assumption.

Do you even understand what an assumption is? Your posts indicate that you do not.

Really. Prove that it is an assumption. Do you even know the meanings of the terms that you abuse and how they put a burden of proof upon you?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh, the irony!!

Not at all. Sometimes I give back what is thrown at me. But I tend to be far less rude than either of you.

 

[3rdAngel]

Your overly long response shows you are doing what you always do: flood your posts to obscure the fact that you are wrong in regard to what I said to you. And once again you did not respond to the question I asked you showing you are so fear-filled that you can’t even dredge up a nonsense reply to that!

So I guess that is a no again Soap? You are unwilling to address all the post content and scriptures that are in disagreement with you?

What should someone do, whose employment requires them to work on the Jewish Sabbath (Friday sun down to Saturday sun down), regarding the Sabbath Law as given to the Jews in the form you state?

I am assuming you did not even read my response to this in the post you are quoting from. Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day (see Matthew 12:1-12). Therefore emergency services to save life are lawful on the Sabbath just like the ministering priests. As posted earlier there is no such thing as "the Jewish Sabbath". According to Jesus the Sabbath was made for all mankind in Mark 2:27 and there was no Jews when God made the Sabbath on the seventh day of the creation week (see Genesis 2:1-3). There was only Adam and Eve who were created on the 6th day (see Genesis 1:26-31). If you read the post you quoted from though you would know this already.

 

[3rdAngel]

Hmm... is Soapy SZ's acolyte?
Or is SZ Soapy's acolyte?

Hard to tell sometimes.
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I know right? I am just watching the show

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hmm... is Soapy SZ's acolyte?
Or is SZ Soapy's acolyte?

Hard to tell sometimes.
.

Neither. It is pretty hard to miss the poor debating techniques of 3rd. We both merely see the obvious.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I know right? I am just watching the show

Yes, anything to avoid answering uncomfortable questions.

 

[Soapy]

Hmm... is Soapy SZ's acolyte?
Or is SZ Soapy's acolyte?

Hard to tell sometimes.
.

What’s an acolyte? I’ve seen several posts where you mention this but I’ve ignored them till now.

Why are you calling me an acolyte - what’s the point and purpose?

Are you an acolyte, also?

 

[Soapy]

So I guess that is a no again Soap? You are unwilling to address all the post content and scriptures that are in disagreement with you?

I am assuming to did not even read my response to this in the post you are quoting from. Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day (see Matthew 12:1-12). Therefore emergency services to save life are lawful on the Sabbath just like the ministering priests. As posted earlier there is no such thing as "the Jewish Sabbath". According to Jesus the Sabbath was made for all mankind in Mark 2:27 and there was no Jews when God made the Sabbath on the seventh day of the creation week (see Genesis 2:1-3). There was only Adam and Eve who were created on the 6th day (see Genesis 1:26-31). If you read the post you quoted from though you would know this already.

I am assuming to did not even read my response to this in the post you are quoting from. Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day (see Matthew 12:1-12). Therefore emergency services to save life are lawful on the Sabbath just like the ministering priests. As posted earlier there is no such thing as "the Jewish Sabbath". According to Jesus the Sabbath was made for all mankind in Mark 2:27 and there was no Jews when God made the Sabbath on the seventh day of the creation week (see Genesis 2:1-3). There was only Adam and Eve who were created on the 6th day (see Genesis 1:26-31). If you read the post you quoted from though you would know this already.

It is lawful to do good on every day of the week. The sabbath day was mentioned as a day for doing good in regard to ‘Do No Evil’ …

• “Blessed is the one who does this— the person who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it, and keeps their hands from doing any evil.”” (Isaiah 56:2)

You are unwilling to address all the post content and scriptures that are in disagreement with you

Ironically….
…You do not mention any of the other DIRE STIPULATIONS you DEMAND that MUST BE MET on the Jewish Sabbath day:

You do not mention: ‘DO NO WORK’.

You do not mention: ‘WORSHIP GOD’.

These TWO OMISSIONS are purposely missed out by you because you do not know how to get around THE DECREE that the law MUST HE COMPLIED WITH:

• “Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.(Exodus 31:15)
• “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant.” (Exodus 31:16)
• [The Sabbath day] will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’” (Exodus 31:17)

You expose your craft again and again and again…!!!

 

[Subduction Zone]

What’s an acolyte? I’ve seen several posts where you mention this but I’ve ignored them till now.

Why are you calling me an acolyte - what’s the point and purpose?

Are you an acolyte, also?

A follower. And I am rather sure that you will disagree with my posts that show the flaw in @3rdAngel 's exegesis. I don't expect you to "follow me" in that regard. But I am also fairly sure that @samtonga43 does not agree with @3rdAngel either. She only posts to attack me. Have you not noticed that she says nothing about the OP? Yet I do not accuse her of being an acolyte of 3rd's.

I am afraid that 3rd does not want to have a discussion. He is here mostly to preach, which is technically against the rules here. But it is his thread and as long as he does not go too far he won't be dinged for it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is lawful to do good on every day of the week. The sabbath day was mentioned as a day for doing good in regard to ‘Do No Evil’ …

• “Blessed is the one who does this— the person who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it, and keeps their hands from doing any evil.”” (Isaiah 56:2)

Ironically….
…You do not mention any of the other DIRE STIPULATIONS you DEMAND that MUST BE MET on the Jewish Sabbath day:

You do not mention: ‘DO NO WORK’.

You do not mention: ‘WORSHIP GOD’.

These TWO OMISSIONS are purposely missed out by you because you do not know how to get around THE DECREE that the law MUST HE COMPLIED WITH:

• “Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.(Exodus 31:15)
• “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant.” (Exodus 31:16)
• [The Sabbath day] will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’” (Exodus 31:17)

You expose your craft again and again and again…!!!

Very well done. Will he be convinced?

 

[Soapy]

Very well done. Will he be convinced?

He will simply respond like he always does:

• - ‘So that’s a no, then!’ (Meaning: That’s a good answer which I cannot refute’b)
• - ‘You haven’t answered the questions I asked you’ (Meaning: ‘You answered many times already but I’ll keep asking in an attempt to get you to say something that I can definitely refute!!’)
• - ‘I’m smiling at this!’ (Meaning: ‘Oh, you caught me out - I thought I had you there!!!’)

 

[Subduction Zone]

He will simply respond like he always does:

• - ‘So that’s a no, then!’ (Meaning: That’s a good answer which I cannot refute’b)
• - ‘You haven’t answered the questions I asked you’ (Meaning: ‘You answered many times already but I’ll keep asking in an attempt to get you to say something that I can definitely refute!!’)
• - ‘I’m smiling at this!’ (Meaning: ‘Oh, you caught me out - I thought I had you there!!!’)

I think that you are being far too kind in your interpretation of "I'm smiling at this. But over all very accurate.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑I am assuming you did not even read my response to this in the post you are quoting from. Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day (see Matthew 12:1-12). Therefore emergency services to save life are lawful on the Sabbath just like the ministering priests. As posted earlier there is no such thing as "the Jewish Sabbath". According to Jesus the Sabbath was made for all mankind in Mark 2:27 and there was no Jews when God made the Sabbath on the seventh day of the creation week (see Genesis 2:1-3). There was only Adam and Eve who were created on the 6th day (see Genesis 1:26-31). If you read the post you quoted from though you would know this already.

Your response here..

It is lawful to do good on every day of the week. The sabbath day was mentioned as a day for doing good in regard to ‘Do No Evil’ …“Blessed is the one who does this— the person who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it, and keeps their hands from doing any evil.”” (Isaiah 56:2)
Ironically….…You do not mention any of the other DIRE STIPULATIONS you DEMAND that MUST BE MET on the Jewish Sabbath day: You do not mention: ‘DO NO WORK’. You do not mention: ‘WORSHIP GOD’.

Yes we are not to do evil at all period. According to the scriptures , evil or sin is defined in the scriptures as moral wrong doing against God or our fellow man that Gods' 10 commandments give us a knowledge of when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7). If we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments it is moral wrong doing and evil according to the scriptures which is why mankind was destroyed with a flood (Genesis 6:5-7).

• "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies." - Matthew 15-19

So the scripture you posted is not saying we are not to break anyone of Gods' commandments of which Gods' seventh day Sabbath is one of Gods' 10 commandments. The scripture you posted here therefore is not telling us to break the Sabbath day but to obey what the commandment says

• "Do No Evil’ …“Blessed is the one who does this— the person who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it, and keeps their hands from doing any evil.” - Isaiah 56:2

So the scripture you provided is supporting obedience to Gods' law not breaking Gods' law. The scripture is telling us that we should obey Gods' 4th commandment by not desecrating what the commandment says and also not to break any other of God's 10 commandments as well on the Sabbath day. So what does it mean to obey or desecrate or disobey Gods' Sabbath according to the scriptures?

• "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and made it holy." - Exodus 20:8-11

So we obey Gods' 4th commandment and do not desecrate the Sabbath day according to Isaiah 56:2 by not doing any unnecessary work on the Sabbath and by remembering Gods' Sabbath and keeping it a holy day of rest as a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth. When Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath and that he desires mercy and not sacrifice then he is not telling us to break the Sabbath but that it is lawful to do good deeds on the Sabbath and if an emergency arises on the Sabbath it is lawful in the spirit of the law to help others which Jesus says those who do so are not guilty of breaking Gods' law as shown in Matthew 12:1-12.

• " At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungered, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, Behold, your disciples do that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath day. But he said to them, Have you not read what David did, when he was an hungered, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. And when he was departed there, he went into their synagogue: And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. And he said to them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Why it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. Then said he to the man, Stretch forth your hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other." - Matthew 12:1-12

So Isaiah 56:2 is telling us not to desecrate or disobey Gods' 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) but to obey it and not break any other of Gods' 10 commandments. While Jesus in Matthew 12:1-12 is telling us that even though the Sabbath is a holy day of rest where no work is to be done it is lawful to do God's work and to help others especially in times of emergency.

more to come...

 

[3rdAngel]

These TWO OMISSIONS are purposely missed out by you because you do not know how to get around THE DECREE that the law MUST HE COMPLIED WITH:

What nonsense. There you go with your false accusations again. There was "no omissions purposely left out by me because I do not know how to get around the decree that the law must be complied with." I was responding to the content of your previous post asking about emergency work in the Sabbath and responded with Matthew 12:1-12 that you seem to be ignoring that according to Jesus who is Lord of the Sabbath it is lawful and not breaking the Sabbath to do good on the Sabbath. The pharisees accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath because they did not understand the Spirit of the Sabbath law as outlined in Jesus in Matthew 12:1-12 just like you.

“Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.(Exodus 31:15)

According to the old covenant scriptures under the civil laws of the nation of Israel, if anyone was found openly and publicly breaking Gods' Sabbath day by working on the Sabbath they were to be put to death. This was to teach Gods' people that the wages of all sin or breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments is death without Gods' forgiveness as also shown in the new covenant in Romans 6:23 "The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord". Therefore Exodus 31:5 was not talking about doing good on the Sabbath day it was talking about openly doing your own work on the Sabbath day that can be done any other day of the week. What you also fail to understand here is that according to the old covenant scriptures, "the death penalty" was not restricted to only Gods' 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath and openly breaking it but it was a law linked to all of Gods' 10 commandments to teach that if we break Gods' law we are all under sin and death.
The same death penalty was given to anyone who was caught breaking 1st Commandment (Exodus 20:3), Thou shalt have no other gods before me (Deuteronomy 17:1-5; 14:6-10; Exodus 22:20); 2nd Commandment, (Exodus 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any idols (Exodus 20:4; Deuteronomy 27: 15); 3rd Commandment (Exodus 20:7), Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain (Leviticus 24:16); 4th Commandment Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11) see Exodus 31:14-15; 35:2; 5th commandment (Exodus 20:12) honor your father and mother see Exodus 21:15-17; 6th commandment thou shalt not kill (Exodus 20:13) see Leviticus 24:17; Numbers 35:31-33; 7th commandment thou shalt not commit Adultery (Exodus 20:14) see Leviticus 20:10; John 8:3-5; 8th Commandment thou shall not steal (Exodus 20:15) but only applied to man stealing or kidnapping (Exodus 21:16); 9th commandment (Exodus 20:16) thou shall not bear false witness see Deuteronomy 19:15-21 and the 10th commandments thou shall not covet (Exodus 20:17) see Joshua 7:21-25.

This of course all ceased during the time of Christ when Israel was under Roman rule and law and at the death of Christ bringing an end to the old covenant and the bringing in of the new covenant. The death penalty is still in force today because it is written that the wages of sin is death for those that do not repent before the time of judgement is finished (Romans 6:23; James 2:8-12) but enforcement of the death penalty does not take place until the second coming (see Psalms 9:17; Matthew 5:22,29,30, 10:28, 18:9, 23:15,33; Mark 9:43,45,47; Luke 12:5; 2 Thessalonians 1:9; James 3:6; Revelation 2:11, 20:6,14, 21:8 etc etc)

The only difference today is that we are in the new covenant now so we no longer put people to open death because we are not in the physical nation of Israel in the flesh or under the old covenant civil laws of Israel. The death penalty for sin is still the same however for those who reject the gift of God's dear son *Romans 6:23 but Jesus says now that Vengeance is mine and his reward will be with him at the 2nd coming *Romans 12:19-21; Revelation 22:12. God's Word does not teach or support the false doctrine of lawlessness (without law) and Gods' 4th commandment in the new covenant is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Exodus 20:8-10; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

“The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant.” (Exodus 31:16)

The name "Israel" according to the scriptures is a name given by God to all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says.
God’s people are represented in the old covenant by Israel in the flesh born of the seed of Abraham and Gods’ Israel in the new covenant are represented as all those who have now been born again in the Spirit to believe and follow Gods’ Word says Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; Galatians 3:28-29. So understanding who Gods Israel is here shows that keeping the Sabbath and all of Gods' 10 commandments is in harmony with the scriptures showing that Gods Israel are only all those who believe and follow what Gods’ Word says. According to the new covenant scriptures both Jewish and gentile believers are all grafted in through faith (Romans 11:13-26) and we are all now one in Christ.
[The Sabbath day] will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’” (Exodus 31:17) [/QUOTE]
Absolutely, and all of Gods' people will even be keeping the Sabbath according to the scriptures after the second coming in the new heavens and the new earth.

• "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, said the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD." - Isaiah 66:22-23

According to the scriptures the Sabbath will be continued to be kept even after the second coming and after the new heavens and new earth will be made also proving your understanding of scripture is in error.

You expose your craft again and again and again…!!!

As shown above your false claims and accusations have been exposed and shown to be in error. Are you going to ignore this post like you do with all the other posts that show why your understanding of the scriptures are in error and run away, or do you want to respond to and address this post's content and all the scriptures that are in disagreement with you here? I am guessing the former because the post content provided here proves from the scriptures why your understanding of the scriptures is in error and why your false claims are not truthful.

Take care.

 

[Subduction Zone]

@3rdAngel , why place the Sabbath on after sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday? Why can't it be any twenty four hour period of time once a a week?

 

[3rdAngel]

@3rdAngel , why place the Sabbath on after sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday? Why can't it be any twenty four hour period of time once a a week?

Biblical time is the night first followed by daylight second. Its from Genesis 1. According to the scriptures the 4th commandment says that the Sabbath is the "seventh day" of the week in Exodus 20:10 which is a reference back to Genesis 2:1-3 and the seventh day of the creation week where God rested, blessed and made the seventh day a holy day of rest. Most Christian religions simply choose to forget Gods' 4th commandment when God says "remember" (Exodus 20:8).