"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[samtonga43]

That is poorly worded.

No, you just don't like it because it's too close to the truth.

In fact it implies that it is fanfiction since some people can believe fiction so strongly that they think that it is real.

It implies nothing of the sort. I wonder if you know which logical fallacy you have just committed?

Extreme fans will argue as if Batman is real, or Spiderman (there is more evidence for him since New York City is a real place).

You believe there is some evidence for Spiderman?

He is arguing as if all of the Bible were literally true when that can be shown not to be the case.

All of the Bible? Sorry but no. He is arguing no such thing.
Another assumption, I'm afraid.

That is treating it as if it were fanfiction. It does not matter if he really believes it any more than if a person really believes in Spiderman.

You do know that the Bible encompasses many genres and types of literature? See the word I have emphasized above? It is intellectually immature to use this word for a book like the Bible.

 

[samtonga43]

Sorry rudeness fail. Why would I post an answer to a post that starts off in such a fashion? Ask again politely and you will get answers.

You don't recognize humour when you come across it? Or is it that, as usual, you are running away from questions you would find difficult to answer? Seems so.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, you just don't like it because it's too close to the truth.

Hardly. You have to do better than that.

It implies nothing of the sort. I wonder if you know which logical fallacy you have just committed?

It does since his beliefs, like a belief in Spiderman, are demonstrably false if he reads Genesis literally.

You believe there is some evidence for Spiderman?

Your reading comprehension cannot be that bad. The evidence for Spiderman is as strong as the evidence for the myths of Genesis. They are on the same order.

All of the Bible? Sorry but no. He is arguing no such thing.
Another assumption, I'm afraid.

Really? He appears to be doing that to me. What parts of the Bible do you think that he does not believe literally? And no, not an assumption. You have yet to make one factually correct claim of "assumption".

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You do know that the Bible encompasses many genres and types of literature? See the word I have emphasized above? It is intellectually immature to use this word for a book like the Bible.

Yes, I do. I do not think that 3rd does. He is not arguing as if he does. And no, it is emotionally immature to treat the Bible as a piece of fanfiction. I never called it that. You seem to think that I did. But it appears that 3rd is treating it that way.

Why don't you ask him if he believes if Genesis is literally true. If there was a six day creation and a day of rest. If there was a global flood. You may be surprised by the answers.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't recognize humour when you come across it? Or is it that, as usual, you are running away from questions you would find difficult to answer? Seems so.

Being excessively rude is not humor. And adding a false accusation does not help your case. Why would it be too difficult to ask your questions again politely? I explained to you earlier how I would not answer rudely asked questions. That there is no need for me to do so. If I do not answer when asked politely then you an claim "running away".

 

[3rdAngel]

Being excessively rude is not humor. And adding a false accusation does not help your case. Why would it be too difficult to ask your questions again politely? I explained to you earlier how I would not answer rudely asked questions. That there is no need for me to do so. If I do not answer when asked politely then you an claim "running away".

Personally I think what you saying above to @samtonga43 is not truthful at all. It is actually what you are doing. Yet others here usually address your posts and are honest with you. It is not being rude to ask you questions and challenge you to prove what you say. It is called having a discussion which is what we are suppose to be doing here.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Personally I think what you saying above to @samtonga43 is not truthful at all. It is actually what you are doing. Yet others here usually address your posts and are honest with you. It is not being rude to ask you questions and challenge you to prove what you say. It is called having a discussion which is what we are suppose to be doing here.

No, only you and her have opposed me here. And she has never supported you. She just came to oppose me. Who besides you two have said anything like that about me?

Try again.

 

[samtonga43]

Hardly. You have to do better than that.

Oh, I don’t think so. From what I have gleaned from your many, many posts, I believe I am right on the money.

It does since his beliefs, like a belief in Spiderman, are demonstrably false if he reads Genesis literally.

But belief in the truth inherent in Scripture cannot be equated with belief in the truth inherent in Spiderman. This is the fallacy of false equivalence. You should know better.

Your reading comprehension cannot be that bad. The evidence for Spiderman is as strong as the evidence for the myths of Genesis. They are on the same order.

There can be truth in myths. Where is truth in Spiderman?

Really? He appears to be doing that to me. What parts of the Bible do you think that he does not believe literally?

Parts, for example, to do with tearing your eye out, believing that Jesus is bread or a gate, cutting one’s feet off, drinking Christ’s blood, eating His body. There are many more parts that 3rdAngel would not believe literally. But you appear to be assuming otherwise.

And no, not an assumption. You have yet to make one factually correct claim of "assumption".

Nonsense. I have made many such claims and I have just made another one (see above).
You do know that the Bible encompasses many genres and types of literature? See the word I have emphasized above? It is intellectually immature to use this word for a book like the Bible.

Yes, I do. I do not think that 3rd does. He is not arguing as if he does. And no, it is emotionally immature to treat the Bible as a piece of fanfiction. I never called it that. You seem to think that I did. But it appears that 3rd is treating it that way.

Poor comprehension of the written word. It is intellectually immature to think of the Bible as an ‘it’. The Bible is a collection of books of various genres.
Another reminder – how things ‘appear’ to you are not necessarily the way things are.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh, I don’t think so. From what I have gleaned from your many, many posts, I believe I am right on the money.

When someone points out that you need to do better than to be rude and you disagree with that it does not look good for you. And then to back it up with another apparently false claim looks even worse.

What is so hard about being polite? Why do you think that it is a bad idea?

But belief in the truth inherent in Scripture cannot be equated with belief in the truth inherent in Spiderman. This is the fallacy of false equivalence. You should know better.

Why? If anything Spiderman is often superior to the Bible. I would say that if you want to claim that it is a false equivalence that is a supposed logical fallacy that you need to support.

There can be truth in myths. What is the truth in
Spiderman?

With great power comes great responsibility.


How did you not know of that one? I was checking to make sure that I had it right and Google finished it for me after only the first two words.

Parts, for example, to do with tearing your eye out, believing that Jesus is bread or a gate, cutting one’s feet off, drinking Christ’s blood, eating His body. There are many more parts that 3rdAngel would not believe literally. But you appear to be assuming otherwise.

Is that all? How about the Adam and Eve myth? How about Noah and his magic boat? Let's not forget the world's biggest fish story. Ooh and Luke's ten year pregnancy. The list goes on and on and on.

Nonsense. I have made many such claims and I have just made another one (see above).

No, you have not. And your above example fails because for once you did it correctly. You said " you appear to be assuming". Please note that you used a qualifier. That means that it looks that way to you. In other cases you accused me of assuming which put the burden of proof upon you. A qualifier largely gets rid of that burden.

You do know that the Bible encompasses many genres and types of literature? See the word I have emphasized above? It is intellectually immature to use this word for a book like the Bible.

This was answered. You are the one that tries to take my claims about the Bible and make them about the whole Bible. I never said the whole Bible; It would have been immature if I did that. But you and I both know that is not the case. This by the way is an example of a strawman argument by you

Poor comprehension of the written word. It is intellectually immature to think of the Bible as an ‘it’. It is a collection of books of various genres.
Another reminder – how things ‘appear’ to you are not necessarily the way things are.

There is nothing wrong with treating the Bible as a singular entity when one's opponents are doing the same. You can't have it both ways there. 3rd is definitely treating it as an "it". And you might want to take your last sentence and apply it to most of your posts.

 

[Soapy]

Your response here..

Yes we are not to do evil at all period. According to the scriptures , evil or sin is defined in the scriptures as moral wrong doing against God or our fellow man that Gods' 10 commandments give us a knowledge of when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7). If we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments it is moral wrong doing and evil according to the scriptures which is why mankind was destroyed with a flood (Genesis 6:5-7).

• "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies." - Matthew 15-19

So the scripture you posted is not saying we are not to break anyone of Gods' commandments of which Gods' seventh day Sabbath is one of Gods' 10 commandments. The scripture you posted here therefore is not telling us to break the Sabbath day but to obey what the commandment says

• "Do No Evil’ …“Blessed is the one who does this— the person who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it, and keeps their hands from doing any evil.” - Isaiah 56:2

So the scripture you provided is supporting obedience to Gods' law not breaking Gods' law. The scripture is telling us that we should obey Gods' 4th commandment by not desecrating what the commandment says and also not to break any other of God's 10 commandments as well on the Sabbath day. So what does it mean to obey or desecrate or disobey Gods' Sabbath according to the scriptures?

• "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and made it holy." - Exodus 20:8-11

So we obey Gods' 4th commandment and do not desecrate the Sabbath day according to Isaiah 56:2 buy not doing any unnecessary work on the Sabbath and by remembering Gods' Sabbath and keeping it a holy day of rest as a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth. When Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath and that he desires mercy and not sacrifice then he is not telling us to break the Sabbath but that it is lawful to do good deeds on the Sabbath and if an emergency arises on the Sabbath it is lawful in the spirit of the law to help others which Jesus says those who do so are not guilty of breaking Gods' law as shown in Matthew 12:1-12.

• " At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungered, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, Behold, your disciples do that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath day. But he said to them, Have you not read what David did, when he was an hungered, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. And when he was departed there, he went into their synagogue: And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. And he said to them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Why it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. Then said he to the man, Stretch forth your hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other." - Matthew 12:1-12

So Isaiah 56:2 is telling us not to desecrate or disobey Gods' 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) but to obey it and not break any other of Gods' 10 commandments. While Jesus in Matthew 12:1-12 is telling us that even though the Sabbath is a holy day of rest where no work is to be done it is lawful to do God's work and to help others especially in times of emergency.

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What a load of squibble!

You wrote a load to cover your error. If, by chance, anyone reads all that you post, they will wonder what on earth you are actually saying.

You disregard what suits you to disregard and focus overlongly on frivalent points to throw of any understanding of the truth you are trying to hide.

Since Adam sinned every human being is subject to sinning - and the Jews, even being God’s chosen nation, were no different in defying at times God’s laws. THEREFORE the verse placed PARTICULAR FOCUS on ‘DO NO EVIL’ on the Sabbath Day.

But following this directive TO THE LETTER - and beyond - was what Jesus pointed out as a sin in itself.

And so, ‘Do no work’…. And so the Jews regarded even ‘Doctoring’ as a violation of the sabbath law.

And so, ‘If you are hungry then remain hungry - even to starvation’ since baking bread would be ‘Working as a Baker’.

But the scriptures shows the law is demanded of the Israelites (God’s chosen nation):

• “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant…It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever,.” (Exo 31:15-16)

The law was given to the Israelites but later in time after the (now Jews) rejected Jesus Christ, the GENTILES were brought in subjection to the pen fold of God. … BUT they were not made subject to the SABBATH LAW just as they were not made subject to the law of circumcision:

• “This is my covenant with you (Abraham - father of the Israelites) and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised… For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring.“ (Gen 17:10..12)

As biblical time rolled on, God saw that worship was becoming wholly ritualistic. Jesus phrased this:

• “You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: ’These people honor me (YHWH God) with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’”(Matt 15: 7-9)

So the Jews were worshipping insincerely because they had made the laws of God into traditions - traditions which undermines the laws of God so much that they even vilified the part of the law that said to do no evil on the Sabbath. So what kind of worship was now to be satisfactory to God in the world that now includes the Gentiles? Jesus’ prophesy was this:

• “… a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.” (John 4:23)

WORSHIPPING GOD (in time to come and yet is now!) will not require a synagogue nor a temple nor a mountain … but will be IN THE HEART AND THE MIND… AND IN SPIRIT:

• “But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.” (Matt 6:6-7)

Here we see the traditions of Jews and pagans in regard to worshipping God. You can well imagine then that the Sabbath traditions would be carried out in similar irreverent manners. So WHERE is TRUE worship to be carried out?

Even today, churches are run on TRADITIONS: The same songs; the same prayers; the same rituals… What need is there for personal sincere input?
True worship therefore comes from a personal source.

But the world has changed. No longer is the working week all ‘Sunday to Friday’, nor is it all ‘Monday to Sunday’.

And how many denominations observe ‘Friday sundown to Saturday sundown’ as SABBATH day?

Indeed, with global enterprise in a connected world, work requires seven day a week operation. Even the ELITE may find themselves WORKING AT THEIR WEEKLY JOB ON THE JEWISH SABBATH …

And therefore THEIR DAY OF REST will be on a day that is NOT THE JEWISH SABBATH .. yet still, that DAY OF REST becomes THEIR SABBATH DAY:

• ‘Six days (or even FIVE NOW!) they do their work - but on their DAY OF REST…”

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I notice that you claim that all people are Jews … why?

I notice that you do not state the reason for the Sabbath day other than it wax established by God. You do know that God established the Sabbath so that there would not be an individual working seven days a week - as many slaves were forced to do by pagan masters!!?

‘Shabbat’ in your heart, in your mind, with reverence to God.

Do so in the SPIRIT of the law - not by the WORD of it!!

Shabbat in SPIRIT more than by the WORD!

 

[Soapy]

What nonsense. There you go with your false accusations again. There was "no omissions purposely left out by me because I do not know how to get around the decree that the law must be complied with." I was responding to the content of your previous post asking about emergency work in the Sabbath and responded with Matthew 12:1-12 that you seem to be ignoring that according to Jesus who is Lord of the Sabbath it is lawful and not breaking the Sabbath to do good on the Sabbath. The pharisees accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath because they did not understand the Spirit of the Sabbath law as outlined in Jesus in Matthew 12:1-12 just like you.

According to the old covenant scriptures under the civil laws of the nation of Israel, if anyone was found openly and publicly breaking Gods' Sabbath day by working on the Sabbath they were to be put to death. This was to teach Gods' people that the wages of all sin or breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments is death without Gods' forgiveness as also shown in the new covenant in Romans 6:23 "The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord". Therefore Exodus 31:5 was not talking about doing good on the Sabbath day it was talking about openly doing your own work on the Sabbath day that can be done any other day of the week. What you also fail to understand here is that according to the old covenant scriptures, "the death penalty" was not restricted to only Gods' 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath and openly breaking it but it was a law linked to all of Gods' 10 commandments to teach that if we break Gods' law we are all under sin and death.
The same death penalty was given to anyone who was caught breaking 1st Commandment (Exodus 20:3), Thou shalt have no other gods before me (Deuteronomy 17:1-5; 14:6-10; Exodus 22:20); 2nd Commandment, (Exodus 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any idols (Exodus 20:4; Deuteronomy 27: 15); 3rd Commandment (Exodus 20:7), Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain (Leviticus 24:16); 4th Commandment Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11) see Exodus 31:14-15; 35:2; 5th commandment (Exodus 20:12) honor your father and mother see Exodus 21:15-17; 6th commandment thou shalt not kill (Exodus 20:13) see Leviticus 24:17; Numbers 35:31-33; 7th commandment thou shalt not commit Adultery (Exodus 20:14) see Leviticus 20:10; John 8:3-5; 8th Commandment thou shall not steal (Exodus 20:15) but only applied to man stealing or kidnapping (Exodus 21:16); 9th commandment (Exodus 20:16) thou shall not bear false witness see Deuteronomy 19:15-21 and the 10th commandments thou shall not covet (Exodus 20:17) see Joshua 7:21-25.

This of course all ceased during the time of Christ when Israel was under Roman rule and law and at the death of Christ bringing an end to the old covenant and the bringing in of the new covenant. The death penalty is still in force today because it is written that the wages of sin is death for those that do not repent before the time of judgement is finished (Romans 6:23; James 2:8-12) but enforcement of the death penalty does not take place until the second coming (see Psalms 9:17; Matthew 5:22,29,30, 10:28, 18:9, 23:15,33; Mark 9:43,45,47; Luke 12:5; 2 Thessalonians 1:9; James 3:6; Revelation 2:11, 20:6,14, 21:8 etc etc)

The only difference today is that we are in the new covenant now so we no longer put people to open death because we are not in the physical nation of Israel in the flesh or under the old covenant civil laws of Israel. The death penalty for sin is still the same however for those who reject the gift of God's dear son *Romans 6:23 but Jesus says now that Vengeance is mine and his reward will be with him at the 2nd coming *Romans 12:19-21; Revelation 22:12. God's Word does not teach or support the false doctrine of lawlessness (without law) and Gods' 4th commandment in the new covenant is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Exodus 20:8-10; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

The name "Israel" according to the scriptures is a name given by God to all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says.
God’s people are represented in the old covenant by Israel in the flesh born of the seed of Abraham and Gods’ Israel in the new covenant are represented as all those who have now been born again in the Spirit to believe and follow Gods’ Word says Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; Galatians 3:28-29. So understanding who Gods Israel is here shows that keeping the Sabbath and all of Gods' 10 commandments is in harmony with the scriptures showing that Gods Israel are only all those who believe and follow what Gods’ Word says. According to the new covenant scriptures both Jewish and gentile believers are all grafted in through faith (Romans 11:13-26) and we are all now one in Christ.
[The Sabbath day] will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’” (Exodus 31:17)

Absolutely, and all of Gods' people will even be keeping the Sabbath according to the scriptures after the second coming in the new heavens and the new earth.

• "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, said the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD." - Isaiah 66:22-23

According to the scriptures the Sabbath will be continued to be kept even after the second coming and after the new heavens and new earth will be made also proving your understanding of scripture is in error.

As shown above your false claims and accusations have been exposed and shown to be in error. Are you going to ignore this post like you do with all the other posts that show why your understanding of the scriptures are in error and run away, or do you want to respond to and address this post's content and all the scriptures that are in disagreement with you here? I am guessing the former because the post content provided here proves from the scriptures why your understanding of the scriptures is in error and why your false claims are not truthful.

Take care.

The Heavenly Sabbath is a universal Sabbath since all people will be ONE NATION IN GOD. Things are different in the new world to come from what they are in this world - you cannot conjoin the two… that is a sign of your desperation and plucking verse that you think fit only to be publicly shamed when you are exposed.

And talking of ‘desecration’, did you not read of David:

• At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath!”. [Jesus] answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? (Matt 12:1-5)

What were you saying about desecration of the Sabbath? You think someone is desecrating the Jewish Sabbath Day unless they stop their work, do good and worship God - but what if they are not subscribed to the Jewish Sabbath Day (and recall that the Jewish Sabbath Day is FRIDAY SUNDOWN TO SATURDAY SUNDOWN!)

What if they are required to do their weekly WORK in the period of the Jewish Sabbath? Could they:

• REST on another day from their weekly work?
• Worship God on a non-JEEUSH SABBATH DAY?
• Do Good specifically (volunteer / do charity / refrain from evil) on another day they subscribe?

Hmmm… it seems that you are doing as the Jews did in the times of Jesus and before: Making a millstone for their necks with the over-rigidity of their traditions in regard to the laws.

 

[Soapy]

What nonsense. There you go with your false accusations again. There was "no omissions purposely left out by me because I do not know how to get around the decree that the law must be complied with." I was responding to the content of your previous post asking about emergency work in the Sabbath and responded with Matthew 12:1-12 that you seem to be ignoring that according to Jesus who is Lord of the Sabbath it is lawful and not breaking the Sabbath to do good on the Sabbath. The pharisees accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath because they did not understand the Spirit of the Sabbath law as outlined in Jesus in Matthew 12:1-12 just like you.

According to the old covenant scriptures under the civil laws of the nation of Israel, if anyone was found openly and publicly breaking Gods' Sabbath day by working on the Sabbath they were to be put to death. This was to teach Gods' people that the wages of all sin or breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments is death without Gods' forgiveness as also shown in the new covenant in Romans 6:23 "The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord". Therefore Exodus 31:5 was not talking about doing good on the Sabbath day it was talking about openly doing your own work on the Sabbath day that can be done any other day of the week. What you also fail to understand here is that according to the old covenant scriptures, "the death penalty" was not restricted to only Gods' 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath and openly breaking it but it was a law linked to all of Gods' 10 commandments to teach that if we break Gods' law we are all under sin and death.
The same death penalty was given to anyone who was caught breaking 1st Commandment (Exodus 20:3), Thou shalt have no other gods before me (Deuteronomy 17:1-5; 14:6-10; Exodus 22:20); 2nd Commandment, (Exodus 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any idols (Exodus 20:4; Deuteronomy 27: 15); 3rd Commandment (Exodus 20:7), Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain (Leviticus 24:16); 4th Commandment Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11) see Exodus 31:14-15; 35:2; 5th commandment (Exodus 20:12) honor your father and mother see Exodus 21:15-17; 6th commandment thou shalt not kill (Exodus 20:13) see Leviticus 24:17; Numbers 35:31-33; 7th commandment thou shalt not commit Adultery (Exodus 20:14) see Leviticus 20:10; John 8:3-5; 8th Commandment thou shall not steal (Exodus 20:15) but only applied to man stealing or kidnapping (Exodus 21:16); 9th commandment (Exodus 20:16) thou shall not bear false witness see Deuteronomy 19:15-21 and the 10th commandments thou shall not covet (Exodus 20:17) see Joshua 7:21-25.

This of course all ceased during the time of Christ when Israel was under Roman rule and law and at the death of Christ bringing an end to the old covenant and the bringing in of the new covenant. The death penalty is still in force today because it is written that the wages of sin is death for those that do not repent before the time of judgement is finished (Romans 6:23; James 2:8-12) but enforcement of the death penalty does not take place until the second coming (see Psalms 9:17; Matthew 5:22,29,30, 10:28, 18:9, 23:15,33; Mark 9:43,45,47; Luke 12:5; 2 Thessalonians 1:9; James 3:6; Revelation 2:11, 20:6,14, 21:8 etc etc)

The only difference today is that we are in the new covenant now so we no longer put people to open death because we are not in the physical nation of Israel in the flesh or under the old covenant civil laws of Israel. The death penalty for sin is still the same however for those who reject the gift of God's dear son *Romans 6:23 but Jesus says now that Vengeance is mine and his reward will be with him at the 2nd coming *Romans 12:19-21; Revelation 22:12. God's Word does not teach or support the false doctrine of lawlessness (without law) and Gods' 4th commandment in the new covenant is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Exodus 20:8-10; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

The name "Israel" according to the scriptures is a name given by God to all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says.

What??????

God’s people are represented in the old covenant by Israel in the flesh born of the seed of Abraham and Gods’ Israel in the new covenant are represented as all those who have now been born again in the Spirit to believe and follow Gods’ Word says Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; Galatians 3:28-29. So understanding who Gods Israel is here shows that keeping the Sabbath and all of Gods' 10 commandments is in harmony with the scriptures showing that Gods Israel are only all those who believe and follow what Gods’ Word says. According to the new covenant scriptures both Jewish and gentile believers are all grafted in through faith (Romans 11:13-26) and we are all now one in Christ.
[The Sabbath day] will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’” (Exodus 31:17)

You just made that up…. Wow! You are getting desperate….

Absolutely, and all of Gods' people will even be keeping the Sabbath according to the scriptures after the second coming in the new heavens and the new earth.

• "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, said the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD." - Isaiah 66:22-23

According to the scriptures the Sabbath will be continued to be kept even after the second coming and after the new heavens and new earth will be made also proving your understanding of scripture is in error.

You are aware that the above quote is from the book of Revelation pertaining to the end of time when all things and people are brought under the one authority of God!! The ‘rest’ of God will be one rest which is why it is specifically mentioned there.

As shown above your false claims and accusations have been exposed and shown to be in error. Are you going to ignore this post like you do with all the other posts that show why your understanding of the scriptures are in error and run away, or do you want to respond to and address this post's content and all the scriptures that are in disagreement with you here? I am guessing the former because the post content provided here proves from the scriptures why your understanding of the scriptures is in error and why your false claims are not truthful.

Take care.

your false claims are not truthful.

Umm… Doesn’t that statement mean they are true?

 

[Soapy]

Biblical time is the night first followed by daylight second. Its from Genesis 1. According to the scriptures the 4th commandment says that the Sabbath is the "seventh day" of the week in Exodus 20:10 which is a reference back to Genesis 2:1-3 and the seventh day of the creation week where God rested, blessed and made the seventh day a holy day of rest. Most Christian religions simply choose to forget Gods' 4th commandment when God says "remember" (Exodus 20:8).

Straining at a gnat on this one…. The Jewish day is Sun set to the following sunset.

There a no need for further definitions as scriptures details the Jewish Sabbath day already.

• “Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.” (John 20:1)

This day would be our today’s Sunday (Jewish Saturday sundown to Sunday sundown)

It was the command from the Roman emperor that worship should take place on Sunday - in honour of their SUN God…

But we all know this already!

The only reason for an attempt at further defining it is to try to find a way out if your dilemma / it didn’t work, did it, for instance:

• In Numbers 15:32–36, it says that a man gathering firewood on Sabbath is put to death; the potential punishment for desecrating Sabbath (stoning) is the most severe in Jewish law

I am sure you will say something about that!

 

[Soapy]

Okay, but why use Genesis? That seems rather odd to me.

He does this because he’s run out of ‘proofs’ in the same way he refers to Adam and Eve in reference to Sabbath day.

He classes all humanity as ‘Jews’ so that he can get around my question as to what about the Gentiles who were not subject to the law of the Sabbath.

It’s all desperation - he will post anything as long as he can say that he’s responded!

And as you see from virtually all his posts: they are repetitive, devoid of any real content, accusative, and crass.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He does this because he’s run out of ‘proofs’ in the same way he refers to Adam and Eve in reference to Sabbath day.

He classes all humanity as ‘Jews’ so that he can get around my question as to what about the Gentiles who were not subject to the law of the Sabbath.

It’s all desperation - he will post anything as long as he can say that he’s responded!

And as you see from virtually all his posts: they are repetitive, devoid of any real content, accusative, and crass.

Here we are going to differ. It can be shown that the Genesis creation story is just a myth. There never were only two people. The order of appearance on life is wrong. The time frame is extremely wrong. It has plants before the Sun. It is just a mess. It still "works" as a morality tale, but it is not literally true. That is why I asked that question. He bases his interpretation on an event that never happened.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ Yes we are not to do evil at all period. According to the scriptures , evil or sin is defined in the scriptures as moral wrong doing against God or our fellow man that Gods' 10 commandments give us a knowledge of when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7). If we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments it is moral wrong doing and evil according to the scriptures which is why mankind was destroyed with a flood (Genesis 6:5-7).

• "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies." - Matthew 15-19

So the scripture you posted is not saying we are not to break anyone of Gods' commandments of which Gods' seventh day Sabbath is one of Gods' 10 commandments. The scripture you posted here therefore is not telling us to break the Sabbath day but to obey what the commandment says

• "Do No Evil’ …“Blessed is the one who does this— the person who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it, and keeps their hands from doing any evil.” - Isaiah 56:2

So the scripture you provided is supporting obedience to Gods' law not breaking Gods' law. The scripture is telling us that we should obey Gods' 4th commandment by not desecrating what the commandment says and also not to break any other of God's 10 commandments as well on the Sabbath day. So what does it mean to obey or desecrate or disobey Gods' Sabbath according to the scriptures?

• "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and made it holy." - Exodus 20:8-11

So we obey Gods' 4th commandment and do not desecrate the Sabbath day according to Isaiah 56:2 by not doing any unnecessary work on the Sabbath and by remembering Gods' Sabbath and keeping it a holy day of rest as a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth. When Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath and that he desires mercy and not sacrifice then he is not telling us to break the Sabbath but that it is lawful to do good deeds on the Sabbath and if an emergency arises on the Sabbath it is lawful in the spirit of the law to help others which Jesus says those who do so are not guilty of breaking Gods' law as shown in Matthew 12:1-12.

• " At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungered, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, Behold, your disciples do that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath day. But he said to them, Have you not read what David did, when he was an hungered, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. And when he was departed there, he went into their synagogue: And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. And he said to them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Why it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. Then said he to the man, Stretch forth your hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other." - Matthew 12:1-12

So Isaiah 56:2 is telling us not to desecrate or disobey Gods' 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) but to obey it and not break any other of Gods' 10 commandments. While Jesus in Matthew 12:1-12 is telling us that even though the Sabbath is a holy day of rest where no work is to be done it is lawful to do God's work and to help others especially in times of emergency.

Your response here...

What a load of squibble! You wrote a load to cover your error. If, by chance, anyone reads all that you post, they will wonder what on earth you are actually saying.
You disregard what suits you to disregard and focus overlongly on frivalent points to throw of any understanding of the truth you are trying to hide.

Sorry dear friend but Gods' Words are not squibble and there is a lot of scriptures that proves what you are saying here is not supported by the scriptures. Your response once is to ignore and not respond to the posts and scripture content here that is in disagreement with you while writing squibble because you cannot address the post content and the scriptures that prove why you are in error in claiming that the Sabbath is any day when Gods'4th commandment says it is "the seventh day" as a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as our creator. If you disagree with the posts that are being shared with you than you are better off to prove why you disagree than to ignore the posts and scriptures that are in disagreement with you and deflect with silly accusations you are unable to prove to avoid addressing the scriptures and the post content that is in disagreement with you. Yes you are correct my post was long because there is a lot of scripture in disagreement with you that you refuse to respond to and ignore.

more to come

 

[3rdAngel]

Since Adam sinned every human being is subject to sinning - and the Jews, even being God’s chosen nation, were no different in defying at times God’s laws. THEREFORE the verse placed PARTICULAR FOCUS on ‘DO NO EVIL’ on the Sabbath Day. But following this directive TO THE LETTER - and beyond - was what Jesus pointed out as a sin in itself. And so, ‘Do no work’…. And so the Jews regarded even ‘Doctoring’ as a violation of the sabbath law. And so, ‘If you are hungry then remain hungry - even to starvation’ since baking bread would be ‘Working as a Baker’.

According to the scriptures genuine faith is expressed by believing and obeying what Gods Word says (James 2:13-26; Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 2:3-4) from the heart. So to say we can follow the Spirit of the law without following the letter of the law leading us to break Gods' law is not according to Gods' Spirit but is disobedience and sin (see 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4) showing we do not know God or His Word or are obeying the Spirit of Gods' law. To obey the Spirit of the law on the Sabbath means to obey what Gods' Word says in regards to the Sabbath commandment from the heart (see Exodus 20:8-11) but also to remember the teachings of Jesus that say doing what is good on the Sabbath and being merciful in emergencies is not against Gods' law it is fulfilling God's law on the Sabbath as the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath as the Scribes and the Pharisees taught (see Mark 2:27-27; Matthew 12:1-12). So having mercy to others on the Sabbath in cases of emergency and doing Gods' work on the Sabbath is in harmony with God's law and the teachings of Jesus (Matthew 12:1-12). The scriptures here show why your teachings are not supported in the scriptures. There is no scripture that says we can now make any day a Sabbath when God says the "seventh day" is the Sabbath day in Exodus 20:10 and Genesis 2:1-3.

But the scriptures shows the law is demanded of the Israelites (God’s chosen nation):“The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant…It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever,.” (Exo 31:15-16) The law was given to the Israelites but later in time after the (now Jews) rejected Jesus Christ, the GENTILES were brought in subjection to the pen fold of God. … BUT they were not made subject to the SABBATH LAW just as they were not made subject to the law of circumcision: “This is my covenant with you (Abraham - father of the Israelites) and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised… For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring.“ (Gen 17:10..12)

You are repeating yourself here as this has already been addressed in some detail in earlier posts to you that you simply did not respond to again and chose to ignore. According to the scriptures we are in the New covenant now not the Old covenant and the new covenant scriptures teach us that Gods Israel is no longer Israel born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who through faith in Gods' Word are born of the Spirit to walk in Gods' Word. According to the scriptures Gods Israel in the new covenant are now simply all those who choose to believe and follow what Gods' Word says. Gentile believers have now been grafted in through faith and we are all now one in Christ through faith. You ignored the scriptures share with you earlier that show you why your argument here is not supported in the new testament because it is a different covenant. There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise...

• EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

• GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

• ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

• ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

• COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

• ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

• EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

and again...

• JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

• HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

According to the New covenant scriptures therefore Gods' true Israel are no longer all those who are born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham (Romans 9:6-8), but are now all those who are born of the Spirit (John 3:3-7) to believe and follow what Gods' Word says. Gentile believers are now grafted in through faith and we are now all one in Christ (see Romans 11:13-26 and Colossians 3:11 etc).

Therefore dear friend Gods' Word and His commandments are for Gods' Israel to believe, obey and follow from the heart as they walk in Gods' Spirit and demonstrate that we are Gods' people or not Gods' people as shown in 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4-10; John 14:15; 1 John 5:2-3; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Hebrews 8:10-12 etc). You do err not knowing the scriptures.

more to come...

 

[3rdAngel]

As biblical time rolled on, God saw that worship was becoming wholly ritualistic. Jesus phrased this:“You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: ’These people honor me (YHWH God) with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’”(Matt 15: 7-9) So the Jews were worshipping insincerely because they had made the laws of God into traditions - traditions which undermines the laws of God so much that they even vilified the part of the law that said to do no evil on the Sabbath. So what kind of worship was now to be satisfactory to God in the world that now includes the Gentiles? Jesus’ prophesy was this: “… a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.” (John 4:23) WORSHIPPING GOD (in time to come and yet is now!) will not require a synagogue nor a temple nor a mountain … but will be IN THE HEART AND THE MIND… AND IN SPIRIT: “But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.” (Matt 6:6-7) Here we see the traditions of Jews and pagans in regard to worshipping God. You can well imagine then that the Sabbath traditions would be carried out in similar irreverent manners. So WHERE is TRUE worship to be carried out? Even today, churches are run on TRADITIONS: The same songs; the same prayers; the same rituals… What need is there for personal sincere input?True worship therefore comes from a personal source.But the world has changed. No longer is the working week all ‘Sunday to Friday’, nor is it all ‘Monday to Sunday’. Even today, churches are run on TRADITIONS: The same songs; the same prayers; the same rituals… What need is there for personal sincere input?True worship therefore comes from a personal source. But the world has changed. No longer is the working week all ‘Sunday to Friday’, nor is it all ‘Monday to Sunday’. And how many denominations observe ‘Friday sundown to Saturday sundown’ as SABBATH day? Indeed, with global enterprise in a connected world, work requires seven day a week operation. Even the ELITE may find themselves WORKING AT THEIR WEEKLY JOB ON THE JEWISH SABBATH … And therefore THEIR DAY OF REST will be on a day that is NOT THE JEWISH SABBATH .. yet still, that DAY OF REST becomes THEIR SABBATH DAY:‘ Six days (or even FIVE NOW!) they do their work - but on their DAY OF REST…”

You are just proving my point here which is what I have been sharing with you from the beginning and is also in disagreement with you. So you are actually refuting yourself in this section of your post but lets prove why if it might be helpful to the discussion here. I agree with a lot of your post here on how the Scribes and Pharisees were not following Gods' Word but the reasons they were not following Gods' Word are in the very scripture references and context you did not provide that is in disagreement with you. For example your references to Matthew 15:7-9 in full context to Matthew 15:3-9 shows that the Jews were following man-made teachings and traditions that were leading them away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God (specifically Gods' 5th commandment in Exodus 20:12 of honoring our father and mother). Jesus said to the Jews by following man-made teachings and traditions over the Word of God and leading them to break and not follow His commandments they were in fact not worshiping God. So when you reference John 4:23-24 about worshiping God in Spirit and in truth Jesus is saying in Matthew 15:3-9 that no one is worshiping God in Spirit and in truth if they do not believe and obey what Gods' Word says and follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God. Your own post refutes what you say and the scriptures testify that what you are promoting that we can make any day a Sabbath day when God says the "seventh day" is the Sabbath of the Lord your God in Exodus 20:10 is unbiblical. So in fact your teachings are the same as the Scribes and the Pharisees Jesus was rebuking in Matthew 15:3-9. There is not a single scripture in all of Gods' Word that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. This like what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 15:3-9 is a man-made teaching and tradition handed down by the Roman Catholic Church to mainstream Protestantism that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings given by Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. When Jesus says that the true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and in truth in John 4:23-24 he is saying that Gods' true worshipers will worship the Father by believing and following what Gods' Word says (see John 17:17; John 6:63; John 3:36; Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 2:3-4). We worship the father in Spirit and in truth therefore by believing and obeying what Gods' Word says from the heart. Disobeying God and His Word in order to follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God is not worshiping the father in Spirit and truth as Jesus says "Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." (Matthew 15:7-9). No one therefore can claims to worship God by not believing and following what God's Word says according to the scriptures. Those who do so according to John are liars and the truth is not in them - 1 John 2:3-4

I notice that you claim that all people are Jews … why?

If you read my posts and the scriptures shares with you than you would know why. Your response here only tells me you have not been reading them which is also evident in your responses that do not address any or my posts and scripture content that is in disagreement with you. I have already responded to this a second or third time with you now providing the new covenant scriptures even in my latest replies to you. Go read them.

I notice that you do not state the reason for the Sabbath day other than it wax established by God. You do know that God established the Sabbath so that there would not be an individual working seven days a week - as many slaves were forced to do by pagan masters!!?

I am sure I have discussed the reason for the Sabbath with you in earlier posts but happy to show you again if you are interested. For example in those posts it shows from the scriptures in Exodus 20:10 the scriptures definition of the Sabbath of Gods' 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) as the seventh day of the week not any day of the week..

• "But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD" - Exodus 20:10

This is because the 4th commandments seventh day Sabbath which is one of Gods' 10 commandments that we are to remember is a reference back to Genesis 2:1-3 that says..

• "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And ON THE SEVENTH DAY GOD ENDED HIS WORK THAT HE HAD MADE AND RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT A HOLY DAY: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." - Genesis 2:1-3.

So the scriptures are very specific on what day we are to remember according to God's 4th commandment and why God says..

• "REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY. Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: BUT THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA AND ALL THAT IN THEM IS AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY. WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY." - Exodus 20:8-11

Exodus 20:11 shows that the reason for the commandment is that it is a memorial pointing backwards to creation and quoting Genesis 2:1-3 when God made the Sabbath for all mankind. You can see both in Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:8-11 that it is the "seventh day" we are to remember according to Gods' 4th commandment, not any day of our choosing. Gods' 4th commandment that nearly all of the Christian world has forgotten is the "seventh day" because it is a memorial of creation. In fact Exodus 20:11 is a reference back to Genesis 2:1-3 nearly word for word. The fact that the Jews have also kept Gods' 4th commandment every seventh day only adds further evidence to what I have already been sharing here through the scriptures. This is why the Sabbath will be continued to be kept in the new heavens and new earth..

• "FOR AS THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH WHICH I SHALL MAKE SHALL REMAIN BEFORE ME , said the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER SHALL ALL FLESH COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE ME, said the LORD." - Isaiah 66:22-23

Receive Gods' Words and be blessed. Ignoring them does not make them disappear. According to Jesus the words of God we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day according to John 12:47-48.

more to come

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ What nonsense. There you go with your false accusations again. There was "no omissions purposely left out by me because I do not know how to get around the decree that the law must be complied with." I was responding to the content of your previous post asking about emergency work in the Sabbath and responded with Matthew 12:1-12 that you seem to be ignoring that according to Jesus who is Lord of the Sabbath it is lawful and not breaking the Sabbath to do good on the Sabbath. The pharisees accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath because they did not understand the Spirit of the Sabbath law as outlined in Jesus in Matthew 12:1-12 just like you.

According to the old covenant scriptures under the civil laws of the nation of Israel, if anyone was found openly and publicly breaking Gods' Sabbath day by working on the Sabbath they were to be put to death. This was to teach Gods' people that the wages of all sin or breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments is death without Gods' forgiveness as also shown in the new covenant in Romans 6:23 "The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord". Therefore Exodus 31:5 was not talking about doing good on the Sabbath day it was talking about openly doing your own work on the Sabbath day that can be done any other day of the week. What you also fail to understand here is that according to the old covenant scriptures, "the death penalty" was not restricted to only Gods' 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath and openly breaking it but it was a law linked to all of Gods' 10 commandments to teach that if we break Gods' law we are all under sin and death.

The same death penalty was given to anyone who was caught breaking 1st Commandment (Exodus 20:3), Thou shalt have no other gods before me (Deuteronomy 17:1-5; 14:6-10; Exodus 22:20); 2nd Commandment, (Exodus 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any idols (Exodus 20:4; Deuteronomy 27: 15); 3rd Commandment (Exodus 20:7), Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain (Leviticus 24:16); 4th Commandment Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11) see Exodus 31:14-15; 35:2; 5th commandment (Exodus 20:12) honor your father and mother see Exodus 21:15-17; 6th commandment thou shalt not kill (Exodus 20:13) see Leviticus 24:17; Numbers 35:31-33; 7th commandment thou shalt not commit Adultery (Exodus 20:14) see Leviticus 20:10; John 8:3-5; 8th Commandment thou shall not steal (Exodus 20:15) but only applied to man stealing or kidnapping (Exodus 21:16); 9th commandment (Exodus 20:16) thou shall not bear false witness see Deuteronomy 19:15-21 and the 10th commandments thou shall not covet (Exodus 20:17) see Joshua 7:21-25.

This of course all ceased during the time of Christ when Israel was under Roman rule and law and at the death of Christ bringing an end to the old covenant and the bringing in of the new covenant. The death penalty is still in force today because it is written that the wages of sin is death for those that do not repent before the time of judgement is finished (Romans 6:23; James 2:8-12) but enforcement of the death penalty does not take place until the second coming (see Psalms 9:17; Matthew 5:22,29,30, 10:28, 18:9, 23:15,33; Mark 9:43,45,47; Luke 12:5; 2 Thessalonians 1:9; James 3:6; Revelation 2:11, 20:6,14, 21:8 etc etc)

The only difference today is that we are in the new covenant now so we no longer put people to open death because we are not in the physical nation of Israel in the flesh or under the old covenant civil laws of Israel. The death penalty for sin is still the same however for those who reject the gift of God's dear son *Romans 6:23 but Jesus says now that Vengeance is mine and his reward will be with him at the 2nd coming *Romans 12:19-21; Revelation 22:12. God's Word does not teach or support the false doctrine of lawlessness (without law) and Gods' 4th commandment in the new covenant is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Exodus 20:8-10; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

The name "Israel" according to the scriptures is a name given by God to all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says. God’s people are represented in the old covenant by Israel in the flesh born of the seed of Abraham and Gods’ Israel in the new covenant are represented as all those who have now been born again in the Spirit to believe and follow Gods’ Word says Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; Galatians 3:28-29. So understanding who Gods Israel is here shows that keeping the Sabbath and all of Gods' 10 commandments is in harmony with the scriptures showing that Gods Israel are only all those who believe and follow what Gods’ Word says. According to the new covenant scriptures both Jewish and gentile believers are all grafted in through faith (Romans 11:13-26) and we are all now one in Christ.
[The Sabbath day] will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’” (Exodus 31:17)

Absolutely, and all of Gods' people will even be keeping the Sabbath according to the scriptures after the second coming in the new heavens and the new earth.

• "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, said the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD." - Isaiah 66:22-23

According to the scriptures the Sabbath will be continued to be kept even after the second coming and after the new heavens and new earth will be made also proving your understanding of scripture is in error.

As shown above your false claims and accusations have been exposed and shown to be in error. Are you going to ignore this post like you do with all the other posts that show why your understanding of the scriptures are in error and run away, or do you want to respond to and address this post's content and all the scriptures that are in disagreement with you here? I am guessing the former because the post content provided here proves from the scriptures why your understanding of the scriptures is in error and why your false claims are not truthful.

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The Heavenly Sabbath is a universal Sabbath since all people will be ONE NATION IN GOD. Things are different in the new world to come from what they are in this world - you cannot conjoin the two… that is a sign of your desperation and plucking verse that you think fit only to be publicly shamed when you are exposed.

Nonsense but here is why. According to the scriptures we are to keep the Sabbath here and now in this world (see Exodus 20:8-11). God's 4th commandment is one of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) and according to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11. Sunday worship on the other hand is a teaching and tradition of men that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus given in Matthew 15:3-9. So God telling us to obey His seventh day Sabbath which is one of God's 10 commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) and God telling us in Isaiah 66:22-23 that the Sabbath will be continued to be kept in the new earth after the second coming is in agreement that we are to be keeping the Sabbath now and as an everlasting (forever) covenant with God as shown in Exodus 31:16 where it says "Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever." As can be seen all the scriptures are in harmony that the Sabbath is to be kept now by Gods' people and will be continued to be kept forever in the new earth and this covenant is made with Gods people here and now according to Exodus 31:16 and starts now and is one of Gods' 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11). You do err not knowing the scriptures that you post that are in disagreement with you.
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[3rdAngel]

And talking of ‘desecration’, did you not read of David:
At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath!”. [Jesus] answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? (Matt 12:1-5)

The scriptures here are not talking about desecrating the Sabbath. Jesus is teaching the true meaning of the Sabbath and that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath and by doing good and Gods' work on the Sabbath is not breaking the Sabbath. This is why Jesus says in Matthew 12:7-8 "But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day." Jesus here is teaching the true meaning of the Sabbath is that it was made for mans blessing and being merciful in emergencies when someone needs our help is not against Gods' law it is fulfilling God's law on the Sabbath as the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath as the Scribes and the Pharisees taught (see Mark 2:27-27; Matthew 12:1-12). So having mercy to others on the Sabbath in cases of emergency and doing Gods' work on the Sabbath is in harmony with God's law and the teachings of Jesus (Matthew 12:1-12). There is no scripture that says we can now make any day a Sabbath when God says the "seventh day" is the Sabbath day in Exodus 20:10 and Genesis 2:1-3.

What were you saying about desecration of the Sabbath? You think someone is desecrating the Jewish Sabbath Day unless they stop their work, do good and worship God - but what if they are not subscribed to the Jewish Sabbath Day (and recall that the Jewish Sabbath Day is FRIDAY SUNDOWN TO SATURDAY SUNDOWN!)

What if they are required to do their weekly WORK in the period of the Jewish Sabbath? Could they:

• REST on another day from their weekly work?
• Worship God on a non-JEEUSH SABBATH DAY?
• Do Good specifically (volunteer / do charity / refrain from evil) on another day they subscribe?

Hmmm… it seems that you are doing as the Jews did in the times of Jesus and before: Making a millstone for their necks with the over-rigidity of their traditions in regard to the laws.

Your post here makes absolutely no sense and it is not what I have been saying to you whatsoever. Strawman? We simply are to believe and follow what Gods' Word says. This is what it means to worship the father in Spirit and in truth (see John 4:23-24; John 6:63 and John 17:17). Worshiping God in Spirit and in truth means to believe and obey what Gods' Word says which is what genuine faith is and not the dead faith of devils (James 2:13-26). So to say you are worshiping God in Spirit and in truth by not believing and obeying what Gods' Word says is in disagreement with the words of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9 and Matthew 7:21-23. You may also want to consider 1 John 2:3-4.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ What nonsense. There you go with your false accusations again. There was "no omissions purposely left out by me because I do not know how to get around the decree that the law must be complied with." I was responding to the content of your previous post asking about emergency work in the Sabbath and responded with Matthew 12:1-12 that you seem to be ignoring that according to Jesus who is Lord of the Sabbath it is lawful and not breaking the Sabbath to do good on the Sabbath. The pharisees accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath because they did not understand the Spirit of the Sabbath law as outlined in Jesus in Matthew 12:1-12 just like you.

According to the old covenant scriptures under the civil laws of the nation of Israel, if anyone was found openly and publicly breaking Gods' Sabbath day by working on the Sabbath they were to be put to death. This was to teach Gods' people that the wages of all sin or breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments is death without Gods' forgiveness as also shown in the new covenant in Romans 6:23 "The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord". Therefore Exodus 31:5 was not talking about doing good on the Sabbath day it was talking about openly doing your own work on the Sabbath day that can be done any other day of the week. What you also fail to understand here is that according to the old covenant scriptures, "the death penalty" was not restricted to only Gods' 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath and openly breaking it but it was a law linked to all of Gods' 10 commandments to teach that if we break Gods' law we are all under sin and death.
The same death penalty was given to anyone who was caught breaking 1st Commandment (Exodus 20:3), Thou shalt have no other gods before me (Deuteronomy 17:1-5; 14:6-10; Exodus 22:20); 2nd Commandment, (Exodus 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any idols (Exodus 20:4; Deuteronomy 27: 15); 3rd Commandment (Exodus 20:7), Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain (Leviticus 24:16); 4th Commandment Sabbath (Exodus 20:8-11) see Exodus 31:14-15; 35:2; 5th commandment (Exodus 20:12) honor your father and mother see Exodus 21:15-17; 6th commandment thou shalt not kill (Exodus 20:13) see Leviticus 24:17; Numbers 35:31-33; 7th commandment thou shalt not commit Adultery (Exodus 20:14) see Leviticus 20:10; John 8:3-5; 8th Commandment thou shall not steal (Exodus 20:15) but only applied to man stealing or kidnapping (Exodus 21:16); 9th commandment (Exodus 20:16) thou shall not bear false witness see Deuteronomy 19:15-21 and the 10th commandments thou shall not covet (Exodus 20:17) see Joshua 7:21-25.

This of course all ceased during the time of Christ when Israel was under Roman rule and law and at the death of Christ bringing an end to the old covenant and the bringing in of the new covenant. The death penalty is still in force today because it is written that the wages of sin is death for those that do not repent before the time of judgement is finished (Romans 6:23; James 2:8-12) but enforcement of the death penalty does not take place until the second coming (see Psalms 9:17; Matthew 5:22,29,30, 10:28, 18:9, 23:15,33; Mark 9:43,45,47; Luke 12:5; 2 Thessalonians 1:9; James 3:6; Revelation 2:11, 20:6,14, 21:8 etc etc)

The only difference today is that we are in the new covenant now so we no longer put people to open death because we are not in the physical nation of Israel in the flesh or under the old covenant civil laws of Israel. The death penalty for sin is still the same however for those who reject the gift of God's dear son *Romans 6:23 but Jesus says now that Vengeance is mine and his reward will be with him at the 2nd coming *Romans 12:19-21; Revelation 22:12. God's Word does not teach or support the false doctrine of lawlessness (without law) and Gods' 4th commandment in the new covenant is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Exodus 20:8-10; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

Your response here...

What??????

There is a lot of scripture here that disagrees with you. What is it that you do not understand from the post you were not able to respond to here?

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