"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[Subduction Zone]

..."a pattern I’d emerging"
???
You make no sense.

It does, but one must merely ignore the typo. We all make them at times. Sometimes they are caused by a random brain fart. Recently I had some problems with cracked and dried fingertips. That introduces quite a bit of error.

What you observed in his post was a perfect example of Muphry's Law (and no, that is not a spelling error).

EDIT: I was a victim of Muphry's law in my post.

 

[3rdAngel]

..."a pattern I’d emerging"
??? You make no sense.

Thank you I had a laugh over this. You made my day. Its like the story of the splinter and the beam

God bless

 

[AdamjEdgar]

SABBATH Day is now any day that an individual decides it to be.

given that God does not make mistakes, he does not delegate his authority, he is eternal and most importantly, Gods satutes and laws are eternal...

Exodus 20
8Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God, on which you must not do any work—neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant or livestock, nor the foreigner within your gates. 11For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.​

exactly how do you come to this conclusion and what text in the Bible pray tell, do you use where the eternal omnipotent and all knowing God said, Sunday or indeed any day of the week is the Sabbath? (i would remind you before you answer to also consider which day was expressly set aside as a day of rest, sanctified and hallowed)

please quote me the bible verse where every day of the week has been set aside for worship and sanctified (Gen 2:3) and hallowed. Might pay to also revise what the term sanctified means btw and why this is relevant

A final thought before i end this post, the Sabbath was and institution of creation...it did not come about as a result of sin. So the idea that the Sabbath was done away with at the cross (because the wages of sin is death had been paid by Christs sacrifice) is not evidence in support of the removal of the institution of the Sabbath nor does it provide any statement changing the day or adding days for that matter. People incorrectly tie in the Sabbath with the law in such a way as to make the claim its an institution that is completed with the plan of Salvation. This is false...its a creation event. A time to worship our creator...its not a "thou shalt" rule...it is far more important than dealing with the corruption of sin. It is a relfection of the fact that we were created, a special day to worship our creator. Sin is not why the Sabbath exists! I find it interesting that Theistic Evolution at its very core, denies a literal seven day creation...this is denying the Sabbath...denying the special day of worship set aside by our creator for communion with Him. It is also very interesting that the Sabbath commandment is the bridge between loving God (commands 1-3) and loving thy neighbour (commands 5-10). We know that Jesus is the bridge between the sinful us and heaven. He is our salvation...our ticket. This is exactly why the Sabbath is a crucial doctrine for salvation. It does not mean one who doesnt keep the Seventh Day Sabbath could not possibly go to heaven...we are all sinners and break the commandments daily. However, this is why the apostle stated, "I die daily" (1cor 15:31). He needed to as do we all!

 

[samtonga43]

Thank you I had a laugh over this. You made my day. Its like the story of the splinter and the beam

God bless

Yes. Although I'm afraid my point whooshed over SZ's head.
It was ever thus.

 

[Soapy]

Yes. Although I'm afraid my point whooshed over SZ's head.
It was ever thus.

A typo made your day? (Typo was from iPhone auto-correct going awry!)

Wow! Small things to small minds… but I don’t get the joke.

So, are you going to nitpick the typo in AdamJEdgar’s post as well?

 

[Soapy]

given that God does not make mistakes, he does not delegate his authority, he is eternal and most importantly, Gods satutes and laws are eternal...

Exodus 20
8Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God, on which you must not do any work—neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant or livestock, nor the foreigner within your gates. 11For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.​

exactly how do you come to this conclusion and what text in the Bible pray tell, do you use where the eternal omnipotent and all knowing God said, Sunday or indeed any day of the week is the Sabbath? (i would remind you before you answer to also consider which day was expressly set aside as a day of rest, sanctified and hallowed)

please quote me the bible verse where every day of the week has been set aside for worship and sanctified (Gen 2:3) and hallowed. Might pay to also revise what the term sanctified means btw and why this is relevant

A final thought before i end this post, the Sabbath was and institution of creation...it did not come about as a result of sin. So the idea that the Sabbath was done away with at the cross (because the wages of sin is death had been paid by Christs sacrifice) is not evidence in support of the removal of the institution of the Sabbath nor does it provide any statement changing the day or adding days for that matter. People incorrectly tie in the Sabbath with the law in such a way as to make the claim its an institution that is completed with the plan of Salvation. This is false...it’s a creation event. A time to worship our creator...it’s not a "thou shalt" rule...it is far more important than dealing with the corruption of sin. It is a relfection of the fact that we were created, a special day to worship our creator. Sin is not why the Sabbath exists! I find it interesting that Theistic Evolution at its very core, denies a literal seven day creation...this is denying the Sabbath...denying the special day of worship set aside by our creator for communion with Him. It is also very interesting that the Sabbath commandment is the bridge between loving God (commands 1-3) and loving thy neighbour (commands 5-10). We know that Jesus is the bridge between the sinful us and heaven. He is our salvation...our ticket. This is exactly why the Sabbath is a crucial doctrine for salvation. It does not mean one who doesnt keep the Seventh Day Sabbath could not possibly go to heaven...we are all sinners and break the commandments daily. However, this is why the apostle stated, "I die daily" (1cor 15:31). He needed to as do we all!

SUNDAY was originally the Jewish FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK… so, in fact Sunday is NOT THE SEVENTH DAY.

SUNDAY is the ROMAN seventh day and nothing to do with the Jewish SABBATH day.
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The Jewish Sabbath day was set aside by God for worship of him since everyone used to work seven days a week.

The Jews took this command far to crazily and even to the position of claiming death to those who violated the Sabbath to any extent…

However, Jesus pointed out that these diehard adherence made hypocrite out of them since they violated the Sabbath (according to their own dire limits) themselves while vilifying others.

Jesus went on to point out that the Sabbath was not given to RESTRAIN them but to FREE them from ‘slavery to work’. By freeing them this way they could use the day to DO GOOD to each other AND more importantly TO WORSHIP YAHWEH GOD.

HOWEVER, since the GOOD NEWS was being opened up to ALL MANKIND - not just the Jews - the JEWISH SABBATH would be opened up to ALL DAYS of the week… and ‘All Days’ means ‘ANY DAY that you choose to be YOUR SABBATH’…

In other words ‘You are not constrained by a particular day to be YOUR SABBATH’.

Of course, if you CAN then make your sabbath a CORPORATE sabbath day so you can worship God together.

So, tell me: if your work requires you to work on the Jewish Sabbath day… if you are a firefighter, an air sea rescue agent, a nurse, ambulance crew, or doctor - are you saying you would refuse to work??

And, if you DO GOOD and WORSHIP GOD on another day, are you saying that is disqualified as YOUR SABBATH day?

 

[3rdAngel]

SUNDAY was originally the Jewish FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK… so, in fact Sunday is NOT THE SEVENTH DAY.

SUNDAY is the ROMAN seventh day and nothing to do with the Jewish SABBATH day.
——————————-
The Jewish Sabbath day was set aside by God for worship of him since everyone used to work seven days a week.

The Jews took this command far to crazily and even to the position of claiming death to those who violated the Sabbath to any extent…

However, Jesus pointed out that these diehard adherence made hypocrite out of them since they violated the Sabbath (according to their own dire limits) themselves while vilifying others.

Jesus went on to point out that the Sabbath was not given to RESTRAIN them but to FREE them from ‘slavery to work’. By freeing them this way they could use the day to DO GOOD to each other AND more importantly TO WORSHIP YAHWEH GOD.

HOWEVER, since the GOOD NEWS was being opened up to ALL MANKIND - not just the Jews - the JEWISH SABBATH would be opened up to ALL DAYS of the week… and ‘All Days’ means ‘ANY DAY that you choose to be YOUR SABBATH’…

In other words ‘You are not constrained by a particular day to be YOUR SABBATH’.

Of course, if you CAN then make your sabbath a CORPORATE sabbath day so you can worship God together.

So, tell me: if your work requires you to work on the Jewish Sabbath day… if you are a firefighter, an air sea rescue agent, a nurse, ambulance crew, or doctor - are you saying you would refuse to work??

And, if you DO GOOD and WORSHIP GOD on another day, are you saying that is disqualified as YOUR SABBATH day?

Then we have the scriptures that disagree with your words that tell us what day God's Sabbath day is not any day of the week...

• Exodus 20:10 10, But THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God

There is no such thing as "the Jewish Sabbath" the Sabbath was made in the creation week when there was no Moses, no Jews, no Israel, just Adam and Eve. The scriptures teach nowhere that any day or everyday is the Sabbath day. You do err not knowing the scriptures.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

given that God does not make mistakes, he does not delegate his authority, he is eternal and most importantly, Gods satutes and laws are eternal...

Exodus 20
8Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God, on which you must not do any work—neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant or livestock, nor the foreigner within your gates. 11For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.​

exactly how do you come to this conclusion and what text in the Bible pray tell, do you use where the eternal omnipotent and all knowing God said, Sunday or indeed any day of the week is the Sabbath? (i would remind you before you answer to also consider which day was expressly set aside as a day of rest, sanctified and hallowed)

please quote me the bible verse where every day of the week has been set aside for worship and sanctified (Gen 2:3) and hallowed. Might pay to also revise what the term sanctified means btw and why this is relevant

A final thought before i end this post, the Sabbath was and institution of creation...it did not come about as a result of sin. So the idea that the Sabbath was done away with at the cross (because the wages of sin is death had been paid by Christs sacrifice) is not evidence in support of the removal of the institution of the Sabbath nor does it provide any statement changing the day or adding days for that matter. People incorrectly tie in the Sabbath with the law in such a way as to make the claim its an institution that is completed with the plan of Salvation. This is false...its a creation event. A time to worship our creator...its not a "thou shalt" rule...it is far more important than dealing with the corruption of sin. It is a relfection of the fact that we were created, a special day to worship our creator. Sin is not why the Sabbath exists! I find it interesting that Theistic Evolution at its very core, denies a literal seven day creation...this is denying the Sabbath...denying the special day of worship set aside by our creator for communion with Him. It is also very interesting that the Sabbath commandment is the bridge between loving God (commands 1-3) and loving thy neighbour (commands 5-10). We know that Jesus is the bridge between the sinful us and heaven. He is our salvation...our ticket. This is exactly why the Sabbath is a crucial doctrine for salvation. It does not mean one who doesnt keep the Seventh Day Sabbath could not possibly go to heaven...we are all sinners and break the commandments daily. However, this is why the apostle stated, "I die daily" (1cor 15:31). He needed to as do we all!

Good post Adam. Thanks for sharing it. Sorry our friends have chosen to ignore it and will not address it. I can understand why though.

God bless.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes. Although I'm afraid my point whooshed over SZ's head.
It was ever thus.

Oh my! More personal attacks that you cannot support. I know, not understanding how to debate can be rough on a forum.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Good post Adam. Thanks for sharing it. Sorry our friends have chosen to ignore it and will not address it. I can understand why though.

God bless.

He appears to be making some of the same mistakes that you made.

I know that you do not like to go outside of the Bible, but sometimes one needs to do so. If one does not one ends up playing silly fanfiction games. Do you remember how you could not answer the question I asked if you were just playing silly fanfiction games or not? You do not appear to know where the seven day week came from. Nor does @AdamjEdgar . This is why understanding the history of the Bible is part of understanding it.

So are we just playing silly fanfiction games or are we being serious?

 

[Soapy]

Then we have the scriptures that disagree with your words that tell us what day God's Sabbath day is here...

• Exodus 20:10 10, But THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God

There is no such thing as "the Jewish Sabbath" the Sabbath was made in the creation week when there was no Moses, no Jews, no Israel, just Adam and Eve. The scriptures teach nowhere that any day or everyday is the Sabbath day. You do err not knowing the scriptures.

Take Care.

I think you just like saying “You are wrong!”

So I ask you: ‘Which is the first day of the week for an Israelite / Jew’?

 

[Muffled]

There is no scripture to support these teachings. Its time to unlearn the lies they have been teaching us from Sunday school. According to the scriptures if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin and death (see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4: James 2:10-11; Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 2:3-4).

I believe I don't need scritpture because I have Jesus and that is more than I can say for some people who only have a dead peoples book.

 

[Muffled]

According to the scriptures Gods' law is holy just and good (Romans 7:12) and is what gives us the knowledge of good (moral right doing when obeyed) and evil (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); sin (moral wrong doing when disobeyed) *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and according to James in James 2:10-11 if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin. It is sin that brings death *see Romans 6:23 not Gods' law. All God's law does is to give us the knowledge of right doing when obeyed and sin when not obeyed. The purpose of Gods' law in the new covenant is to show us that we are all sinners in need of Gods' salvation *Romans 3:9-23 and to lead us to Christ that we might receive Gods' forgiveness through faith see Galatians 3:22-25

I believe your concept of obeying the law is choking on a gnat and swallowing a camel.

 

[Muffled]

According to the scriptures Gods 10 commandments are Gods' 10 commandments *Exodus 20:3-17. God's 4th commandment is the seventh day Sabbath of creation *see Exodus 20:8-11 from Genesis 2:1-3. Therefore Gods' 4th commandment is a moral observation or our duty of love to God just like not taking the Lords name in vain by pretending we are Christian and following him but not doing what he asks us to do and breaking His laws.

I believe like Jesus I can ask: "Which is more important, to obey man's concept of the commandment or the God who gave it?"

 

[3rdAngel]

He appears to be making some of the same mistakes that you made.

It is you who is mistaken. The scriptures posted as evidence to what is written in the bible is in disagreement with your word that are not supported by any truth in them.

I know that you do not like to go outside of the Bible, but sometimes one needs to do so. If one does not one ends up playing silly fanfiction games.

If you disagree with what @AdamjEdgar was talking about in post # 864 linked, then prove your claims and address the content of his post. All you have done here is make false claims and accusations stating you disagree while not being able to show what it is and why you disagree with him.

Do you remember how you could not answer the question I asked if you were just playing silly fanfiction games or not?

You have never asked any questions I have not been able to answer so no I do not remember. If you disagree post a link where I have not answered any of your questions in case I missed it and lets discuss it. If you cannot why make false claims and accusations then run away when asked to prove your self?

You do not appear to know where the seven day week came from. Nor does @AdamjEdgar . This is why understanding the history of the Bible is part of understanding it.

It appears you just make up stuff you are not able to prove and then just run away then challenged.

So are we just playing silly fanfiction games or are we being serious?

Sorry dear friend, I am not interested in playing your games. You either have something to add to the OP or you do not. It seems you do not. Lets talk more when you have something to contribute to the OP.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ Then we have the scriptures that disagree with your words that tell us what day God's Sabbath day is here...

• Exodus 20:10 10, But THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God

There is no such thing as "the Jewish Sabbath" the Sabbath was made in the creation week when there was no Moses, no Jews, no Israel, just Adam and Eve. The scriptures teach nowhere that any day or everyday is the Sabbath day. You do err not knowing the scriptures.

Your response here...

I think you just like saying “You are wrong!”

If I think something someone says is wrong I will show what it is I believe is wrong and prove why I believe what someone might be saying is wrong. Unlike you and your friend who both like to say something might be wrong but when challenged cannot prove your claims.

So I ask you: ‘Which is the first day of the week for an Israelite / Jew’?

You never asked me the first time what is the first day of the week. In the Hebrew reckoning system it has always been our time Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset after the seventh day Sabbath that starts from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday. Now tell me what does that have to do with the post and scriptures you are responding to that is in disagreement with you that says that the Sabbath is not any day of the week? - Nothing. The scripture that disagrees with you says that Gods' Sabbath is "the seventh day" of the week which is in disagreement with you. Are you going to respond to the post you are quoting from now?

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

The lord's day is sunday.

Where does it say "the Lords day" is Sunday in the bible? - It doesn't. Sunday worship as a replacement for Gods 4th commandment which is one of Gods' 10 commandments is a man-made teaching and tradition that is not supported in the bible that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ According to the scriptures Gods' law is holy just and good (Romans 7:12) and is what gives us the knowledge of good (moral right doing when obeyed) and evil (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); sin (moral wrong doing when disobeyed) *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and according to James in James 2:10-11 if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin. It is sin that brings death *see Romans 6:23 not Gods' law. All God's law does is to give us the knowledge of right doing when obeyed and sin when not obeyed. The purpose of Gods' law in the new covenant is to show us that we are all sinners in need of Gods' salvation *Romans 3:9-23 and to lead us to Christ that we might receive Gods' forgiveness through faith see Galatians 3:22-25

Your response here...

I believe your concept of obeying the law is choking on a gnat and swallowing a camel.

If you disagree with the scriptures in the post you are quoting from than show what it is you disagree with and why? All you have posted in response to what you are quoting from is you quoting you disagreeing with the scriptures that disagree with you without showing why you disagree.

Take Care

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ According to the scriptures Gods 10 commandments are Gods' 10 commandments *Exodus 20:3-17. God's 4th commandment is the seventh day Sabbath of creation *see Exodus 20:8-11 from Genesis 2:1-3. Therefore Gods' 4th commandment is a moral observation or our duty of love to God just like not taking the Lords name in vain by pretending we are Christian and following him but not doing what he asks us to do and breaking His laws.

Your response here...

I believe like Jesus I can ask: "Which is more important, to obey man's concept of the commandment or the God who gave it?"

You do not believe like Jesus who says in Matthew 4:4 Man does not live by bread alone but by every words that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Therefore it is a contradiction to say which is more important to obey man's concept of the commandment or the God who gave it. You where provided scripture which is from God who gave it but you choose not to believe it.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

I believe I don't need scripture because I have Jesus and that is more than I can say for some people who only have a dead peoples book.

I see so how can you say you have Jesus but not do what Jesus says you should do? It is Jesus that says in...

• Matthew 7:21-23 21, Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22, Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23, And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

According to the scriptures if we do not believe and follow what Gods' Word says then according to the scriptures we do not have Jesus but the dead faith of devils according to James in James 2...

• James 2:17-20 17, Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18, Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19, Your believe that there is one God; your do well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20, But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

and again...

• 1 John 2:3-4 3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4, He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Therefore it is a contradiction of the scriptures for us to say we have Christ but not do what Christ says when Jesus says in His own words only those who do the fathers will will enter into God's kingdom and the only way we can claim to know God is when we do what Gods' Word says.

Take Care.