"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[samtonga43]

I did. I don't believe what you claimed in that post. That was an answer.

Please concentrate.
You accused me of repeating false personal attacks with no evidence.

I asked you to identify, in the post in question, the "false personal attacks with no evidence".

Your response?
"I don’t believe you".

You have not answered my question. It's up above in bold red. Why haven't you answered my question?

 

[YoursTrue]

So what? And how would you know? Just because you cherry pick other verses does not mean that you are right. Once again, talk to others. There are some genuine believers in endless hellfire. I do not believe in any of them so I can tale an unbiased look and say "that works" when one picks a series of verses, and also tell the other side "that works" when they do the same.

I am not saying that either side is right since in reality they are probably both wrong.

I know because the Bible also says that a soul dies. Therefore --

 

[YoursTrue]

SUNDAY WORSHIP IS NOT THE LORD'S DAY

The term "the Lord's day" was used by some in the early Church as a reference to Sunday worship in celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. It comes from a scripture in the bible found in Revelation 1

• REVELATION 1:10 10, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

The Greek words used for the day that JOHN was in the Spirit of is the for Lord's day are

• REVELATION 1:10 εγενομην εν πνευματι εν τη κυριακη ημερα και ηκουσα οπισω μου φωνην μεγαλην ως σαλπιγγος

The word "κυριακη" (translit. "kuriake") is an Adjective - Dative - Singular - Feminine. This means it is being used as a 'possessive' as ownership or belonging to ("of", see 1 Corinthians 11:20, "the Lord's supper"), which means the "day" in context belongs to "the Lord". It is literally "the Lord's (belonging to) day". This means, that the "day" in context is uniquely "the Lord's" out of all the 7 days of the week, for the day under consideration is that which exists within the week, as a day which repeats weekly. This is extremely important, as those who incorrectly assume it to mean "the first [day] of the week" in lieu of Jesus' resurrection, cannot get a weekly occurrence out of a one-time event, in fulfillment of typology of the Firstfruit/Wavesheaf in Leviticus 23:9-14, as made known in 1 Corinthians 15:20,23

The problem here however is that there is not a single scripture that references Sunday or the first day of the week (bible names for the days of the week) to being "the Lords day" in scripture.

According to the scripture "the Lords day" however can be referenced to "the Sabbath day" of Gods' 4th commandment found in Exodus 20:8-11.

Letting the scriptures answer this question

• WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES?

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

This then promotes a bit of a dilemma for the Church as there is not a single scripture in all of the bible that days "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10 is Sunday. Yet there is many scriptures referencing "the Lords day" or Gods' specific claims to ownership of any particular day to the Sabbath day that he blessed and set aside as a holy day of rest for a memorial of creation (see Genesis 2:1-3) and made one of Gods' 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11).

God's "ownership" of the Sabbath day or "Lord's day is also repeated elsewhere as "MY" (ownership of the day as in the Greek used in REVELATION 1:10 κυριακη). Other scriptures in the bible pointing to "the Lords day" as being the Sabbath day...

• MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY. (the Sabbath day is Lord's day)

• ISAIAH 58:13-14 [13], If you turn away your foot from the SABBATH, from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day); and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shall honor him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words: [14], Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.

• LEVITICUS 19:30 You shall keep MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day)and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

• EZEKIEL 20:12 Moreover also I gave them MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day) to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ used in Revelations 1:10 is in reference to the Lord's ownership of the day. It does not say that this day is in reference to μιά των σαββάτων which means the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.

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Your challenge here in this OP is to prove from the scriptures alone that the Lord's DAY is in reference to the First day of the week. If you cannot all you have is a teaching and tradition of men that is not supported in the scriptures. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that refers to Sunday as being "the Lords day".

May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.

You know what, 3rdAngel? I just read the first post of the thread, yes I jumped in later. And the question you raise as to what is the "Lord's day" is a very interesting one in Revelation. I will look into that, thanks.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well for most people here it shows you do not know how to debate if you cannot address post content the disagrees with you and your not willing to address these posts that are in disagreement with you. Deflecting with false claims and accusations you are unable to prove when challenged only highlights this further showing you are simply running away from the discussion. I have tried to help you see this through out our discussions here but you are unwilling to be corrected for some reason. Your actions here only prove you lose because your running away and not willing to have a discussion sadly.

The only one that supports you is another person that does not know how to follow the rules of debate. She never answers question. And no, you ran away almost from the start. You forgot that you never answered the question about whether you were playing silly fanfiction games or not. It looks like you are. You constantly ran away from the question about 1 Peter 3 15.

This is a good example here. You are making false claims and accusations again you are not able to prove. I have asked you many times now to post me a single link where I have 1. not addressed your post content; 2. What is it in 1 Peter 3:15 you believe I have not responded to; or 3. Post me a link to the post you are talking about in case I missed it so we can discuss it. You have done neither which only shows once more you are making false claims and accusations you cannot prove as a distraction to the discussion and your unwilling to enter into a discussion and you have no evidence for what you say. Once more it only shows you running away. You have already lost here dear friend and others can see it.

Really? Where did you answer that question? You never answered it that is why I keep asking about it and you keep running away. This is one where the burden of proof is upon you. Or if I played your silly games I could just post a link to the OP. One more time:

Where did you answer that question? And look, it has been so long and you have ignored it for so long, which is running away, that you forgot the question. You just admitted to running away.

And the question is simple: Why don't you follow 1 Peter 3 15? And I can show endless cases where you did not follow it. Just about every post that you made on this page is a failure of yours to follow that verse.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I know because the Bible also says that a soul dies. Therefore --

Correct, you can support either claim. One says forever, another says that the soul dies. Both cannot be true. But both can be false.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Soapy is your acolyte. He does the same as you in not addressing post content, making false claims and accusations as a deflection and then runs away when asked to prove his claims. He is your disciple. Others can see it even if you cannot.

That does not make him my acolyte. Any can see how you refuse to debate properly. Remember how we started to work out some rules? What happened? It seems that you ran away. We were not done yet. I never dropped the offer to debate properly.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And here is the key sis. Every time he makes false claims and accusation he will simply run away when asked to prove His claims because he is unable to prove what he says. So his chatting style is all about projecting what others tell him and deflecting with false claims and accusations he cannot prove. Good response.

No, I have not made any. I have repeatedly pointed out that you run away from questions. And that is a charge that puts the burden of proof upon you. All you needed to do was to say:

"I answered your question about 1 Peter 3 15" here, then post a link and quote the answer. You never did that. Instead every time that I pointed out that you ran away and posted 1 Perter 3 15 you just ignored it and ran away again.

You cannot rightfully say that I did not support my claims when countless posts had the verse that you could not and would not respond to.

 

[YoursTrue]

Correct, you can support either claim. One says forever, another says that the soul dies. Both cannot be true. But both can be false.

The BIBLE says the soul can die. I presume you believe that the opposite of life is death? Notice what the Bible has written at Ezekiel 18:4 speaking of the "soul."
English Standard Version
"Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die."
Berean Standard Bible
"Behold, every soul belongs to Me; both father and son are Mine. The soul who sins is the one who will die"

 

[Subduction Zone]

The BIBLE says the soul can die. I presume you believe that the opposite of life is death? Notice what the Bible has written at Ezekiel 18:4 speaking of the "soul."
English Standard Version
"Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die."
Berean Standard Bible
"Behold, every soul belongs to Me; both father and son are Mine. The soul who sins is the one who will die"

Did I respond to this already? At any rate I know the answer that some Christians would have. That is an Old Testament verse and it no longer applies.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Please concentrate.
You accused me of repeating false personal attacks with no evidence.

I asked you to identify, in the post in question, the "false personal attacks with no evidence".

Your response?
"I don’t believe you".

You have not answered my question. It's up above in bold red. Why haven't you answered my question?

Show me that you will acknowledge an error when one is pointed out to you and then you can make demands and expect a more thorough answer. Right now it does me no good at all to answer you. Why would anyone answer someone that does not live up to the standards that they demand of others?

 

[YoursTrue]

Did I respond to this already? At any rate I know the answer that some Christians would have. That is an Old Testament verse and it no longer applies.

Frankly, my dear, oh well maybe later...

 

[3rdAngel]

You know what, 3rdAngel? I just read the first post of the thread, yes I jumped in later. And the question you raise as to what is the "Lord's day" is a very interesting one in Revelation. I will look into that, thanks.

Awesome, I really appreciate that as the OP has gone crazy off topic

 

[3rdAngel]

The only one that supports you is another person that does not know how to follow the rules of debate. She never answers question. And no, you ran away almost from the start. You forgot that you never answered the question about whether you were playing silly fanfiction games or not. It looks like you are. You constantly ran away from the question about 1 Peter 3 15

You are projecting again. You are the one running away because you are unable to address the post content that is in disagreement with you while deflecting with false claims and accusations your unable to prove. This of cause has already been proven with evidence posted in post # 602 linked and post # 642 linked but you would rather close your eyes and ears to receiving any help from others and admitting your mistakes and errors here. No one can change what they do not acknowledge. What has been shared with you here has only been shared as a help to you. If you cannot provide me a link to the question you asked in 1 Peter 3:15 then I challenge you to ask the question right here and now and lets discuss it and prove your false claims as they truly are - Nonsense and deflection.

This is a good example here. You are making false claims and accusations again you are not able to prove. I have asked you many times now to post me a single link where I have 1. not addressed your post content; 2. What is it in 1 Peter 3:15 you believe I have not responded to; or 3. Post me a link to the post you are talking about in case I missed it so we can discuss it. You have done neither which only shows once more you are making false claims and accusations you cannot prove as a distraction to the discussion and your unwilling to enter into a discussion and you have no evidence for what you say. Once more it only shows you running away. You have already lost here dear friend and others can see it.

Your response here...

Really? Where did you answer that question? You never answered it that is why I keep asking about it and you keep running away. This is one where the burden of proof is upon you. Or if I played your silly games I could just post a link to the OP. One more time: Where did you answer that question? And look, it has been so long and you have ignored it for so long, which is running away, that you forgot the question. You just admitted to running away. And the question is simple: Why don't you follow 1 Peter 3 15? And I can show endless cases where you did not follow it. Just about every post that you made on this page is a failure of yours to follow that verse.

Did you want to address what you are quoting from now. Let me re-post what you are quoting from. You are making false claims and accusations again you are not able to prove. I have asked you many times now to post me a single link where I have 1. not addressed your post content; 2. What is it in 1 Peter 3:15 you believe I have not responded to; or 3. Post me a link to the post you are talking about in case I missed it so we can discuss it. You have done neither which only shows once more you are making false claims and accusations you cannot prove as a distraction to the discussion and your unwilling to enter into a discussion and you have no evidence for what you say. Once more it only shows you running away. You have already lost here dear friend and others can see. Now let my push you a little further now. If you cannot post me a link to your question for discussion, I challenge you to just ask the question again and lets discuss it? If you cannot what do you have to prove your false claims? -Nothing because your making false claims as a distraction to your inability in being able to address the posts and scriptures that are in disagreement with you. Once again this only proves you are the one running away and once again by doing so you lose. I do like talking to you though.

 

[3rdAngel]

That does not make him my acolyte. Any can see how you refuse to debate properly. Remember how we started to work out some rules? What happened? It seems that you ran away. We were not done yet. I never dropped the offer to debate properly.

Sure it does. Soapy is the mirror image of your debating style. You both make posts and claims you are unable to prove then when challenged you are unwilling to discuss and address the post and scripture content that is in disagreement with you. Then you both project this back to others making false claims and accusations your unable to prove when challenged. Than when challenged you both run away from the discussion because your unable to prove what your false claims and accusations you have been using as a deflection to having no evidence to support what you say. This has also been proven to both of you in post # 942 linked for Soapy (ignored) and in post # 602 linked and post # 642 linked for you (ignored). So Soapy is your acolyte in debating. Or are you his? One thing is true your both the same

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ And here is the key sis. Every time he makes false claims and accusation he will simply run away when asked to prove His claims because he is unable to prove what he says. So his chatting style is all about projecting what others tell him and deflecting with false claims and accusations he cannot prove. Good response.

Your response here..

No, I have not made any. I have repeatedly pointed out that you run away from questions. And that is a charge that puts the burden of proof upon you.

Your projecting becomes boring after a while SZ because your unable to prove your claims when challenged in the face of evidence that is posted that proved is you you who run away from questions you are asked and it is you who run away from addressing the post content and scriptures provided in them that show why you are in error. You then deflect with false claims and accusation like your doing here as proven already to you in post # 602 linked and post # 642 linked that is there for all to see who is telling the truth and who is not. You lose by running away dear friend. Lets be honest now.

All you needed to do was to say:"I answered your question about 1 Peter 3 15" here, then post a link and quote the answer. You never did that. Instead every time that I pointed out that you ran away and posted 1 Perter 3 15 you just ignored it and ran away again.

If you are the one making the claim that I did not answer something than the burden of proof is on you to prove that claim. Despite this I tried to compromise with you to help the discussion and said to you earlier, to post me a single link where I have

• (1.) not addressed your post content; and directly asked you if you did not want to post the link
• (2.) What is it in 1 Peter 3:15 you believe I have not responded to and we can discuss it here and now?; or

• (3.) Post me a link to the post you are talking about in case I missed it so we can discuss it?

I even asked you SZ if you believe I have not responded to your question and you are unwilling to post a link to your question, re-ask it again here and lets discuss it. You refuse to do any of those things. Your actions only prove you are unwilling to enter into a discussion or to prove your false claims and accusations. Once again you lose by running away again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are projecting again. You are the one running away because you are unable to address the post content that is in disagreement with you while deflecting with false claims and accusations your unable to prove. This of cause has already been proven with evidence posted in post # 602 linked and post # 642 linked but you would rather close your eyes and ears to receiving any help from others and admitting your mistakes and errors here. No one can change what they do not acknowledge. What has been shared with you here has only been shared as a help to you. If you cannot provide me a link to the question you asked in 1 Peter 3:15 then I challenge you to ask the question right here and now and lets discuss it and prove your false claims as they truly are - Nonsense and deflection.

Your response here...

Did you want to address what you are quoting from now. Let me re-post what you are quoting from. You are making false claims and accusations again you are not able to prove. I have asked you many times now to post me a single link where I have 1. not addressed your post content; 2. What is it in 1 Peter 3:15 you believe I have not responded to; or 3. Post me a link to the post you are talking about in case I missed it so we can discuss it. You have done neither which only shows once more you are making false claims and accusations you cannot prove as a distraction to the discussion and your unwilling to enter into a discussion and you have no evidence for what you say. Once more it only shows you running away. You have already lost here dear friend and others can see. Now let my push you a little further now. If you cannot post me a link to your question for discussion, I challenge you to just ask the question again and lets discuss it? If you cannot what do you have to prove your false claims? -Nothing because your making false claims as a distraction to your inability in being able to address the posts and scriptures that are in disagreement with you. Once again this only proves you are the one running away and once again by doing so you lose. I do like talking to you though.

Nope. You ran away from the start.

Try again.?

And you keep forgetting. You do not understand the concept of evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your response here..

Your projecting becomes boring after a while SZ because your unable to probe your claims when challenged in the face of evidence that is posted that proved is you you who run away from questions you are asked and it is you who run away from addressing the post content and scriptures provided in them that show why you are in error. You then deflect with false claims and accusation like your doing here as proven already to you in post # 602 linked and post # 642 linked that is there for all to see who is telling the truth and who is not. You lose by running away dear friend. Lets be honest now.

Why would I need to say to you I answered your question about 1 Peter 3:15 when you are the one making the claim that it was never answered. If you are the one making the claim that I did not answer something than the burden of proof is on you to prove that claim. Despite this I tried to compromise with you to help the discussion and said to you earlier, to post me a single link where I have

• (1.) not addressed your post content; and directly asked you if you did not want to post the linked
• (2.) What is it in 1 Peter 3:15 you believe I have not responded to?; or

• (3.) Post me a link to the post you are talking about in case I missed it so we can discuss it?

I even asked you SZ if you believe I have not responded to your question and you are unwilling to post a link to your question, re-ask it again here and lets discuss it. You refuse to do either. Your actions only prove you are unwilling to enter into a discussion or to prove your false claims and accusations. Once again you lose by running away again.

Oh my! More false claims about projectng.

Once again you never answered the question about 1 Peter 3 15. You never answered the question about fanfiction games.

Show me where you answered those, if I am wrong.

 

[3rdAngel]

Oh my! More false claims about projectng.
Once again you never answered the question about 1 Peter 3 15. You never answered the question about fanfiction games. Show me where you answered those, if I am wrong.

Your projecting again. Lets chat more when you can prove your claims and you have something to contribute to the threads discussion here.

 

[3rdAngel]

Oh my! More false claims about projectng. Once again you never answered the question about 1 Peter 3 15. You never answered the question about fanfiction games.Show me where you answered those, if I am wrong.

If you are the one making the claim that I did not answer something than the burden of proof is on you to prove that claim. Despite this I tried to compromise with you to help the discussion and said to you earlier, to post me a single link where I have

• (1.) not addressed your post content; and directly asked you if you did not want to post the link or
  
• (2.) What is it in 1 Peter 3:15 you believe I have not responded to and we can discuss it here and now?; or

• (3.) Post me a link to the post you are talking about in case I missed it so we can discuss it?

I even asked you SZ if you believe I have not responded to your question and you are unwilling to post a link to your question, re-ask it again here and lets discuss it. You refuse to do any of those things. Your actions only prove you are unwilling to enter into a discussion or to prove your false claims and accusations. Once again you lose by running away again.

You are funny even if there is no truth in your claims

 

[samtonga43]

Show me that you will acknowledge an error when one is pointed out to you and then you can make demands and expect a more thorough answer. Right now it does me no good at all to answer you. Why would anyone answer someone that does not live up to the standards that they demand of others?

Well, I am answering you, SZ, even though you are not up living to the standards you demand of others.

I asked you to identify, in the post in question, the "false personal attacks I made". You must have had some idea in your mind of what these false personal attacks actually are.

Why is this so hard for you, SZ?
Why are you running away again?