"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[3rdAngel]

And I proved all of those.

You asked me for specific examples. You made these false claims and accusations here...

• I can see how his exegesis fails based upon an earlier claim of his.. I am waiting for him to discuss it.

• Second, because he keeps running away.

• That is a sign of fear.

• Third, that has to do with his failed exegesis.

• I am trying to get him to discuss it, but he appears to know that he will fail.

• At least that explains the running away.

You made all the claims above so the burden of proof is now on you to prove those claims. I challenged you and asked you many times now to prove these claims and lets discuss them. Your refusal to do so only provides me with further evidence that your claims are not truthful because you fail to prove them or even discuss them and show that everything you are accusing others of here is what you are doing then running away and refusing to discuss what you posted. Again dear friend this is only more evidence against you that prove you wrong and shows that you lose again.

If you had quoted the whole posts you would have seen that.

Your complete post for everyone to see and for context to your claims here is from post # 1466 linked and it does not prove a single accusation you made listed above and proves you claim here are not truthful. The full linked post to what you said is posted as evidence which is something you have not provided.

This appears to be difficult for you, but try to reason rationally for once. The accusation was that you were running away from specific questions. The questions were all on your exegesis. The only way to "prove" that you were running away was to keep asking same questions. When you did not answer them or even acknowledge them you demonstrated that you were running away.

Actually no, this appears difficult for you because you are unable to prove what you say and everyone can see you are not being truthful and making things up that are not true about other people that you are unable to prove when challenged to prove your claims. Once again your post here is simply making my point that you cannot prove what you say and are running away from the false accusations you just made. - You lose again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well that is not true and as evidence, against your claim here, you were provided specific examples in post # 1472 linked that is in disagreement with you. I listed a few examples from your posts that you were making of personal accusation you were making. You made all these false claims listed in the linked post so the burden of proof is on you to prove those claims. I challenged you and asked you many times now to prove these claims and lets discuss them. Your refusal to do so only provides me with further evidence that your claims are not truthful because you fail to prove a single one of them or even discuss them and show that everything you are accusing others of here is what you are doing then running away and refusing to discuss what you posted. Again dear friend this is only more evidence against you that prove you wrong and shows that you lose again. Do you want to discuss the now OP? If not than lets talk more when you have something to actually contribute to the discussion of the OP.

How does that "disagree with me"?

All that you just did was to link to an argument that you lost. You in effect just admitted that you were wrong.

Meanwhile to show that you are still running away:

Why are you afraid to discuss the exegesis that your thread is based upon?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am not responding to false claims and accusations unless you are able to prove them. You haven't. As you are the one making those false claims and accusations the burden of proof is on you to prove those claims. I challenged you to prove those claims you listed earlier and I said to you lets discuss them to see if what you say is true or not. You have not proven anything but simply deflected everything that was already said and proven about you. That you do not address the post and scripture content that is in disagreement with you and as a deflection you accuse others what you do then when challenged to prove your accusations you have never been able to proving your claims and accusations to be untruthful and because you unable to prove your claims you simply runaway from the discussion

No need you own posts already prove you wrong as your unable to prove what you say when challenged to prove your claims and accusations you make. This shows that your claims and accusations are not truthful and that you are simply making things up and then running away when challenged to prove what you say.

Oh dude! You just made a claim that requires evidence that you cannot provide with the methods that you have been using.

I need to remind you that linking with a quote and an explanation is just an admission that you cannot support your beliefs. And a false accusation is not an explanation.


And there you go, using words that you do not understand again. You are trying to base an argument based upon exegesis. The flaw in it is very obvious, but you appear to be very very afraid and do not want to discuss this.

So one more time:

Why are you afraid to discuss the exegesis that your thread is based upon? I keep asking this because each time you do not answer a reasonable question you show that you are running away.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You asked me for specific examples. You made these false claims and accusations here...
You made all the claims above so the burden of proof is now on you to prove those claims. I challenged you and asked you many times now to prove these claims and lets discuss them. Your refusal to do so only provides me with further evidence that your claims are not truthful because you fail to prove them or even discuss them and show that everything you are accusing others of here is what you are doing then running away and refusing to discuss what you posted. Again dear friend this is only more evidence against you that prove you wrong and shows that you lose again.

Your complete post for everyone to see and for context to your claims here is from post # 1466 linked and it does not prove a single accusation you made listed above and proves you claim here are not truthful. The full linked post to what you said is posted as evidence which is something you have not provided.

Actually no, this appears difficult for you because you are unable to prove what you say and everyone can see you are not being truthful and making things up that are not true about other people that you are unable to prove when challenged to prove your claims. Once again your post here is simply making my point that you cannot prove what you say and are running away from the false accusations you just made. - You lose again.

Specific examples were only part of it. You would also have to prove that those are all false. How are you going to do that?

Also, that looks a lot like a Gish Gallop. That is a dishonest debating technique. As a result if one is shown to be wrong then all of them are wrong. Are you sure that you want to do that??

 

[Soapy]

Well that is not being truthful. I have outlined to you many times now as well as your friend that you have not addressed the post content and the scriptures shared that are in disagreement with your understanding of the scriptures. You were posted links to posts that you simply ignored, ran away from and did not address any of the post content that was in disagreement with you. Linked posts that you did not address were provided to you asking you do address them. You simply ignored those linked posts. This was specifically outlined to you disagreeing with what you are saying here in this post proving what you are saying here is no truthful. You (like your friend) than respond by making false claims and when challenged are unable to prove what you say showing that what you have accused others of in your posts is not truthful.

Once again your post accusations are not truthful at all and the evidence to this fact is that I respond to the post content that is made by everyone here section by section and scripture by scripture if I am in disagreement proving from the scriptures what it is I am in disagreement with and show why I am in disagreement with what is being said from the scriptures. If you make persona, claims and accusations about others or post content, my advice to you would be to be prepared to prove what you say. If you cannot than what so you have? - Nothing but false claims and accusations you are unable to prove while running away from a discussion.

As posted earlier if you make false claims and accusations about others and are unwilling to discuss the OP because you cannot prove it is wrong than you better be prepared to prove what you say. So far both you and your friend have not been able to. For me personally I would rather get back to the OP then and have a discussion. Seems you guys are unwilling to do this for some reason.

Oh, you are going to start your nonsense with me?

So you really really don’t have any ability to actually debate, then?

And you are the one claiming you must do all things by the exact word of God - not that doing things by the exact word of God is bad but that you are hypocritical about it!!

The discussion topic is about Sabbath day.

I said that Jesus said that ‘Worship’, in time to come, is to be from the heart and kind of a person, in faith, honesty, truth , unselfishness, with piety, and reverence to God.

The DAY on which you are to do such an act in private IS YOUR SABBATH DAY.

So the JEWISH SABBATH DAY (which is a CORPORATE SABBATH) is for those who CAN come together as a ‘Church’ should do so BUT since the world has changed and unlike the times of the Jews, all nations and peoples are now subject to be ‘Sons of God… and receive the good news’, it is no longer possible to ALL DO NO WORK ON A SPECIFIC DAY…. So each person should choose a day that is compliant with God’s law of A DAY OF REST - which is THEIR DAY OF REST from THEIR WEEKS WORK!

So, as you insist that all must worship on the Jewish SABBATH - which is Friday sun down to Saturday sundown - I asked you what should a person such as a fireman, a lifeboat person, a mountain rescue person, a policeman, etc., do if their work requires them to work on a Jewish Sabbath day.

 

[samtonga43]

You are funny. You do not know what running away is. It is not giving answers that you do not like.

Correct. It is not giving answers and then making silly excuses for not doing so. See #1312

 

[samtonga43]

0You really need to quit using terms that you do not understand.

I can tell that people have pointed out to you countless times that you have been deflecting. That is your sin. People ask you a question that you cannot answer and you will do anything but answer it. Instead you run away. And I constantly prove that you are running away. Why would you post something so false? I do not do it by your bogus method I do it by asking the question that you are running away from again and again. Would you like to see yourself run away some more?
Would you like to discuss why your excessive exegesis is self defeating?

In what way is his exegesis 'excessive'?
In what way is his exegesis 'self-defeating'?

 

[samtonga43]

Oh my, now that is a falsehood. One more chance and then the Gish Gallop rule kicks in . If I refute one I refute them all, or do you want to try to debate properly for once?

Oh dear! You obviously do not know when to apply the Gish Gallop rule. The questions below are not arguments, so the rule cannot be applied here...

What value do you find in the Bible?

You accused me of repeating false personal attacks with no evidence. I responded: “False personal attacks?”
Where?

Where did 3rdAngel distort what SZ said?

What bogus questions? What false charges? (#1253)

Which of the myths evoke an emotional response in you?

These are questions you have not answered. I am not claiming falsely that you have not answered.
It is a fact that you have not answered.
Facts cannot be refuted.

 

[samtonga43]

I awlays prove my points. The one thing that I accuse you of is running away. And you keep confirming it. I sometimes have to chase you with a hundred questions and you still run away. You are running away again.

Why are you afraid to discuss why your exegesis fails? Doesn't the thread rely on your exegesis? When you pretend that a question is not asked that is running away. I never did that once.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Correct. It is not giving answers and then making silly excuses for not doing so. See #1312

I never made "silly excuses". If you did not understand the reasoning you should have told me. You got answers. You merely did not like them. You as much as admitted that you were wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

In what way is his exegesis 'excessive'?
In what way is his exegesis 'self-defeating'?

I am sorry but my discussion in this matter is with him. He will simply deny it, but he will not be able to refute it. You will have to have a bit of patience.;

If you want to know then you could hound him a bit for running away for once.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh dear! You obviously do not know when to apply the Gish Gallop rule. The questions below are not arguments, so the rule cannot be applied here...

What value do you find in the Bible?

You accused me of repeating false personal attacks with no evidence. I responded: “False personal attacks?”
Where?

Where did 3rdAngel distort what SZ said?

What bogus questions? What false charges? (#1253)

Which of the myths evoke an emotional response in you?

These are questions you have not answered. I am not claiming falsely that you have not answered.
It is a fact that you have not answered.
Facts cannot be refuted.

They were false claims that you tried to use as evidence. So yes, the Gish Gallop rule applies.

Sorry, one topic per post. You need to support your claims a bit if you want an answer. I am not doing all of your homework for you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh dear! You obviously do not know when to apply the Gish Gallop rule. The questions below are not arguments, so the rule cannot be applied here...

What value do you find in the Bible?

You accused me of repeating false personal attacks with no evidence. I responded: “False personal attacks?”
Where?

Where did 3rdAngel distort what SZ said?

What bogus questions? What false charges? (#1253)

Which of the myths evoke an emotional response in you?

These are questions you have not answered. I am not claiming falsely that you have not answered.
It is a fact that you have not answered.
Facts cannot be refuted.

Relax. One question per post. I am not your servant. As to your first question, asked and answered. You did not like the answer. I know that, but I gave you an example of how some things are not your business. Did you not understand that?

It is not germane to the conversation what I still value or why.

 

[samtonga43]

I awlays prove my points.

This is so much the opposite of what is actually the case that I really did laugh out loud. No, I really did!
You have so little insight, SZ.

Why are you afraid to discuss why your exegesis fails?

Why do you assume that he is afraid, SZ? You use the words afraid, attack, fear an awful lot. Did you realize this?
Do you know what psychologists would say about overuse of words like this?
In what way does his exegesis fail?

 

[Subduction Zone]

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Hey I like post 1490. You quoted me but said nothing. The post is accurate.

 

[3rdAngel]

Oh, you are going to start your nonsense with me?

Please forgive me dear friend but your not addressing the post you are responding to again. I am not interested in playing your nonsense games. Try addressing the post content that you are responding to that is in disagreement with you. If you cannot what do you have but only your words and opinions that you are unable to prove.

So you really really don’t have any ability to actually debate, then?

As proven in the post you are quoting from but not responding to if you do not respond to the content of the post people have posted to you than you do not know how to debate and have a discussion. If you knew how to debate you would be seeking to address post content that is in disagreement with you instead of making personal accusations about others you are unable to prove when challenged as a distraction because you are unable to address their post content that is in disagreement with you.

And you are the one claiming you must do all things by the exact word of God - not that doing things by the exact word of God is bad but that you are hypocritical about it!!

Well there you go with your name calling again while not addressing anything in the post you are quoting from that is in disagreement with you. That is not debating Soapy.

The discussion topic is about Sabbath day.

Close it is about "the Lords day" which is the seventh day Sabbath of Gods' 10 commandments. Lets discuss it if you know what the discussion is about. I sent you a lot of posts earlier addressing what you posted about the Sabbath. Your response was to ignore them. That is not debating or is it a discussion.

I said that Jesus said that ‘Worship’, in time to come, is to be from the heart and kind of a person, in faith, honesty, truth , unselfishness, with piety, and reverence to God.

According to the scriptures acceptable worship to God has always been from the heart in Spirit and in truth (see John 4:23-24)

The DAY on which you are to do such an act in private IS YOUR SABBATH DAY.

Where in all the bible does it say you can make any day the Sabbath of the Lord your God? - Nowhere in the entire bible. According to God though in Gods' 4th commandment it says...

• EXODUS 20:10 BUT THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD.

This is taken from Genesis 2:1-3 which also agrees where it is written..

• GENESIS 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2], And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and HE RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; KEEP SABBATH] on the SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. [3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY: BECAUSE THAT IN IT HE HAD RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] from all his work which God created and made.

So the JEWISH SABBATH DAY (which is a CORPORATE SABBATH) is for those who CAN come together as a ‘Church’ should do so BUT since the world has changed and unlike the times of the Jews, all nations and peoples are now subject to be ‘Sons of God… and receive the good news’, it is no longer possible to ALL DO NO WORK ON A SPECIFIC DAY…. So each person should choose a day that is compliant with God’s law of A DAY OF REST - which is THEIR DAY OF REST from THEIR WEEKS WORK!

As posted early to you dear friend you are making up stuff here. There is no such thing as a "Jewish Sabbath". According to the scriptures Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for all mankind or human beings in Mark 2:27 and when God made the Sabbath in Genesis 2:1-3 on the seventh day of the creation week there was no Moses, no Jew, no Hebrews, and no Israel. There was only Adam and Eve who were both created on the 6th day of the creation week (see Genesis 1:26-31). The rest of your post is here is also not truthful God has always had a people all through time and from Jesus and the Apostles to the early Church to this very present day who have all kept Gods 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) as a holy day of rest according to Gods' 4th commandment that is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken in the new testament (see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11)

So, as you insist that all must worship on the Jewish SABBATH - which is Friday sun down to Saturday sundown - I asked you what should a person such as a fireman, a lifeboat person, a mountain rescue person, a policeman, etc., do if their work requires them to work on a Jewish Sabbath day.

If you read my responses to you earlier you would now that Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath see Matthew 12:8. There is no problem there for me. Also as posted earlier according to the scriptures God made the Sabbath for all mankind. There is no such thing as the Jewish Sabbath. There was no Jew when God made the Sabbath for all mankind according to the scriptures.

Take care.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is so much the opposite of what is actually the case that I really did laugh out loud. No, I really did!
You have so little insight, SZ.

If that was the case you would be able to support your posts. All you have are attacks and unwarranted demands. You have nothing when it comes to evidence.

Why do you assume that he is afraid, SZ? You use the words afraid, attack, fear an awful lot. Did you realize this?
Do you know what psychologists would say about overuse of words like this?
In what way does his exegesis fail?

There you go making your same error again. Now you are accusing me of assuming again. Sorry, but I stopped there. f you are going to use that term you need to prove it. You do not get take it as a given.

An inability to ask questions properly indicates that one is not reasoning rationally.

And once again, the conversation about exegesis is between @3rdAngel and I. Why is that so hard for you to understand? You are merely an interloper. You only came here to attack me. That limits what you can demand of others.

 

[3rdAngel]

Hey I like post 1490. You quoted me but said nothing. The post is accurate.

My apologies to everyone, perhaps I was giving you more credit than you deserved earlier. I can see from your responses that perhaps Soapy is not your acolyte and perhaps you are Soapy's acolyte instead. I say this because at least Soapy is trying to add to the OP discussion. Something you have not advanced to yet.

 

[3rdAngel]

Specific examples were only part of it. You would also have to prove that those are all false. How are you going to do that? Also, that looks a lot like a Gish Gallop. That is a dishonest debating technique. As a result if one is shown to be wrong then all of them are wrong. Are you sure that you want to do that??

You asked me for specific examples. You were provided with specific examples. You made these false claims and accusations so the burden of proof is now on you to prove those claims. I challenged you and asked you many times now to prove these claims and lets discuss them. Your refusal to do so only provides me with further evidence that your claims are not truthful because you fail to prove them or even discuss them and show that everything you are accusing others of here is what you are doing then running away and refusing to discuss what you posted. Again dear friend this is only more evidence against you that prove you wrong and shows that you lose again. Your complete post for everyone to see and for context to your claims here is from post # 1466 linked and it does not prove a single accusation you made listed above and proves you claim here are not truthful. The full linked post to what you said is posted as evidence which is something you have not provided.

 

[3rdAngel]

Oh dude! You just made a claim that requires evidence that you cannot provide with the methods that you have been using.

I need to remind you that linking with a quote and an explanation is just an admission that you cannot support your beliefs. And a false accusation is not an explanation.


And there you go, using words that you do not understand again. You are trying to base an argument based upon exegesis. The flaw in it is very obvious, but you appear to be very very afraid and do not want to discuss this.

So one more time:

Why are you afraid to discuss the exegesis that your thread is based upon? I keep asking this because each time you do not answer a reasonable question you show that you are running away.

Your post content here is not truthful. As posted earlier, I am not interested in playing silly games of responding to your false claims and accusations you are unable to prove. Lets talk more when you can prove what you say and you have something useful to add to the discussion of the OP.