Maybe you should start a thread for you guys to discuss it, ignoring the supposedly invalid current overview like we did last time? Xeper man, put in the work if you're going to stir all this up.
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The Luciferianism DIR Overview
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Maybe you should start a thread for you guys to discuss it, ignoring the supposedly invalid current overview like we did last time? Xeper man, put in the work if you're going to stir all this up.
Hint taken, good luck with this one guys! Guess I better go report every non Setian post in the DIR .
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
I tried that . . it was nixed
I've wanted to reestablish the Luciferian DIR and Overview for some time, but my hands always seemed to become tied up
I think my Fundamental explanation is precise and to the point without disregarding any kind of Luciferian path (theistic / non)
Know Thyself!
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Today the Poll ends and 75% of you would like to revise / replace the Overview. I would like to have the Overview simply read as the following:
Fundamental Luciferianism
Luciferianism is a modern term for the magico-spiritual attainment of inner power through applicable knowledge of one's individual self.
A Luciferian rejects all accepted truths and instead arrives at their conclusions through personal exploration.
The balance of Light and Darkness, the Objective and the Subjective are of equal importance to the Luciferian.
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*This analysis was determined through extracting the basic ideologies from all of the Luciferian schools of thought, their specific tenets omitted allowing a fundamental and unifying basis for Luciferianism.
Fundamental Luciferianism
Luciferianism is a modern term for the magico-spiritual attainment of inner power through applicable knowledge of one's individual self.
A Luciferian rejects all accepted truths and instead arrives at their conclusions through personal exploration.
The balance of Light and Darkness, the Objective and the Subjective are of equal importance to the Luciferian.
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*This analysis was determined through extracting the basic ideologies from all of the Luciferian schools of thought, their specific tenets omitted allowing a fundamental and unifying basis for Luciferianism.
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I wouldn't say that I "reject all accepted truths". Rather, science and reason lead me to conclude that some accepted truths are (most likely) true, and some accepted truths are (most likely) not true.
I see my own system as 'magical-spiritual system of inner power through applicable knowledge of the self' but I wouldn't subscribe that to the Luciferian aspects anymore than I would to the Satanic or Shaivite aspects. Rather Luciferianism differentiates itself from other Left Hand Path systems by it's different focus and by it's additional promethean and more selfless qualities. It's more focused on knowledge both quasi-gnostic and practical, IMO. Satanism is more about simply attaining power and empowerment and liberation through awareness of the self. Luciferianism is more about knowledge and awareness for it's enlightening and uplifting aspects not for the sake of power. Although Luciferianism will bring inner power, it isn't the end goal of Luciferianism but more of a by product IMO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferianism
Actually wikipedia is a pretty good starting point since in that it covers both theistic and symbolic forms, as well as a historic form, and talks about real world luciferian organizations too.
>>>If we could take the article and summarize what it says that might be a good overview since it will include the full spectrum of views while also being short and sweet. And since it covers all the different views, we won't have this situation again where people want to rewrite it, since every person's possible view will be represented.
I see my own system as 'magical-spiritual system of inner power through applicable knowledge of the self' but I wouldn't subscribe that to the Luciferian aspects anymore than I would to the Satanic or Shaivite aspects. Rather Luciferianism differentiates itself from other Left Hand Path systems by it's different focus and by it's additional promethean and more selfless qualities. It's more focused on knowledge both quasi-gnostic and practical, IMO. Satanism is more about simply attaining power and empowerment and liberation through awareness of the self. Luciferianism is more about knowledge and awareness for it's enlightening and uplifting aspects not for the sake of power. Although Luciferianism will bring inner power, it isn't the end goal of Luciferianism but more of a by product IMO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferianism
Actually wikipedia is a pretty good starting point since in that it covers both theistic and symbolic forms, as well as a historic form, and talks about real world luciferian organizations too.
>>>If we could take the article and summarize what it says that might be a good overview since it will include the full spectrum of views while also being short and sweet. And since it covers all the different views, we won't have this situation again where people want to rewrite it, since every person's possible view will be represented.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
The entire quote is "A Luciferian rejects all accepted truths and instead arrives at their conclusions through personal exploration" . . . meaning that things generally accepted by humanity should be questioned by the Luciferian and concluded only through personal experience. An example would be atheism and theism, the Luciferian accepts neither (agnostic) simply because neither have been proven nor personally experienced.
May I ask what 'System' this is?
Left Hand or Western Left Hand Path? What Promethæn and 'selfless qualities' ?
Gnostic Luciferianism is a 'form' of Luciferianism, to avoid being pigeon-holed I purposely avoided any Gnostic principles in the Overview Statement, as I did with the various other forms of Luciferianism.
We are not concerned about Satanism here.
Knowledge and Awareness about what? Just in general? The quote is; "magico-spiritual attainment of inner power" which does not assume 'power' to mean anything mundane and objective. In some Luciferian Orders becoming a Sovereign is sought after, again this was not included as it specified a particular Luciferianism.
I agree (since I helped write much of it) but in the end it fails to concretely determine what Luciferianism is.
I disagree, the Wiki article does not portray the essence of Luciferianism, much less portrays the various forms of Luciferianism outside of a few that are mentioned.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Well . . . we know that YOU aren't one
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Ha ha . . . I've run this 'Fundamental' statement past several Luciferian organizations and have been met with nothing but acceptance.
I'd say Luciferianism is part of my path, the same way Satanism is. Random orginzations may agree, but I think I'll stick with academic knowledge
. But I was just noticing there were 7 votes, and I can think of MAYBE 5 users who would consider themselves Luciferian in this sense.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Not in this thread.
7 votes though.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Well, strictly by what people list there are two, I know I add a third despite it not being listed, and then yours would be a fourth by what you claim. Not sure about the other three; one I doubt, one I'm not sure, and the other I don't know (not even sure who that would be). Nine different posters, two are mods, two list Set, two list Lucifer, one mentions various backgrounds including Hinduism, another I really doubt, and then there is me.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Then maybe this Group should simply be for those on a LHP? Then everyone can freely discuss / debate from their angle.I'd say Luciferianism is part of my path, the same way Satanism is. Random orginzations may agree, but I think I'll stick with academic knowledge
This demonstrates the need to define the fundamental basis of Luciferianism, no?
Aštra’el
Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
Aštra’el
Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
I do not imagine myself to be the supreme grand authority of all things Luciferianism, so I would not have a number for you. Nor would I attempt to attain one either. Consider how one might subjectively perceive the term "Luciferian" to accurately describe one's self... while another person who has a somewhat different understanding of the term "Luciferian" might subjectively perceive the first person to be completely un-Luciferian.
The way I see it, we all know so little about each other that any attempt at recognizing or distinguishing who among us "is indeed Luciferian" seems somewhat ridiculous and futile. Even if we were all incredibly familiar with each other's lives, thoughts, lifestyles and behavior... the amount of subjectivity and creative freedom attached to the term "Luciferian" makes the question of "who among us is a legitimate Luciferian" a question that I would not expect to see asked by or answered from a Luciferian.
Still, I think there should be a Luciferian overview- albeit somewhat revised- taking everything in this topic into consideration and making it clear in some manner of words that no single "overview" can completely enlighten those ignorant of Luciferianism to what it actually is to those who passionately immerse themselves in some form of it.
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