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The Luciferianism DIR Overview

Does this DIR need a new Overview?


  • Total voters
    7
  • Poll closed .

Kapalika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I would agree that us examining our beliefs is good, but I also think maybe this has shown that we don't necessarily need an overview anymore.

If we do have one though, the draft we are working on is far better IMO. I really, really think we just need that 4th point to clarify that it's very diverse, particularly if it's any metric that we want to use.

But I kind of ideologically have an aversion to that kind of metric. Someone's inclusion in this DIR should basically be if they sincerely identify as a Luciferian. It's pretty obvious when someone with no knowledge of the the Left Hand Path or other occult stuff posts in a place like here to troll or pretend or something to that extent. I guess that might be harder for the staff to sort out, and relying on a single token moderator or admin to know kind of leaves it totally in their hands to define it how they want. So if the staff wants one to go by I think we would want to know if that's the case.

But again I don't feel comfortable with the staff deciding who is and isn't sincere in their beliefs. As I said, it's pretty obvious when someone is just trolling but it's a lot more gray when someone is a 'heretic' so to speak (that is to say, idiosyncratic). I don't think we currently have any by how I would see it, but just out of principle you know? With that said though, I kind of feel that the three revised points we have now, when added with that 4th point, it would be *really* hard for even an idiosyncratic person to not qualify for most of those points.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
I would agree that us examining our beliefs is good, but I also think maybe this has shown that we don't necessarily need an overview anymore.

If we do have one though, the draft we are working on is far better IMO. I really, really think we just need that 4th point to clarify that it's very diverse, particularly if it's any metric that we want to use.

But I kind of ideologically have an aversion to that kind of metric. Someone's inclusion in this DIR should basically be if they sincerely identify as a Luciferian. It's pretty obvious when someone with no knowledge of the the Left Hand Path or other occult stuff posts in a place like here to troll or pretend or something to that extent. I guess that might be harder for the staff to sort out, and relying on a single token moderator or admin to know kind of leaves it totally in their hands to define it how they want. So if the staff wants one to go by I think we would want to know if that's the case.

But again I don't feel comfortable with the staff deciding who is and isn't sincere in their beliefs. As I said, it's pretty obvious when someone is just trolling but it's a lot more gray when someone is a 'heretic' so to speak (that is to say, idiosyncratic). I don't think we currently have any by how I would see it, but just out of principle you know? With that said though, I kind of feel that the three revised points we have now, when added with that 4th point, it would be *really* hard for even an idiosyncratic person to not qualify for most of those points.
I'd say we need more research. ;)
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
I'd say we need more research. ;)
After a good 20 years of my 55 if my understanding of Luciferianism is not complete, then I don't deserve to call myself a Luciferian, I don't deserve to have founded and mush less run a Luciferian Order. Perhaps YOU would like to take over?

I'd welcome the takeover, as I find more and more people without a clue to what Luciferianism is, even some within our Order. This is due to the disorganization of too many Luciferian Orders . . . which is exactly WHY I thought it a good place to start defining Luciferianism here.

By all means carry on the the Chaos . . . Apophis would be proud.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
After a good 20 years of my 55 if my understanding of Luciferianism is not complete, then I don't deserve to call myself a Luciferian, I don't deserve to have founded and mush less run a Luciferian Order. Perhaps YOU would like to take over?

I'd welcome the takeover, as I find more and more people without a clue to what Luciferianism is, even some within our Order. This is due to the disorganization of too many Luciferian Orders . . . which is exactly WHY I thought it a good place to start defining Luciferianism here.

By all means carry on the the Chaos . . . Apophis would be proud.
I'll give it a rest.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Now that this post has been derailed to almost nonexistence, where are we with the original plan to change / update the Overview?
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Now that this post has been derailed to almost nonexistence, where are we with the original plan to change / update the Overview?
So far, it looks like the fundamentals of Luciferianism and basic beliefs, which is the basic template for all of the other DIR Overviews.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
I have decided to drop out of changing the overview and will no longer identify as a Luciferian.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
So far, it looks like the fundamentals of Luciferianism and basic beliefs, which is the basic template for all of the other DIR Overviews.
?
You said you don't believe in pointless endeavors. If the DIR Overview does comply with the forum mission and gets rejected by the mods, it would be a pointless endeavor, no? If you simply dismiss or misrepresent the core beliefs of a DIR, that might be a Rule 10 DIR violation. If you seek to gut out the core beliefs of a DIR, that might be a Rule 9: undermining the forum mission. It would then behoove us to make sure that any forum Overview would be compliant with the forum mission.

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/rf-rules.170244/
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
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1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
I have decided to drop out of changing the overview and will no longer identify as a Luciferian.

Are you retiring from your order as well? The person who defeated you certainly deserves to be new grand master.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
You said you don't believe in pointless endeavors. If the DIR Overview does comply with the forum mission and gets rejected by the mods, it would be a pointless endeavor, no? If you simply dismiss or misrepresent the core beliefs of a DIR, that might be a Rule 10 DIR violation. If you seek to gut out the core beliefs of a DIR, that might be a Rule 9: undermining the forum mission. It would then behoove us to make sure that any forum Overview would be compliant with the forum mission.

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/rf-rules.170244/
Not a Luciferian . . .
 

Onyx

Active Member
Premium Member
Might it be better to have one general "LHP" overview, with brief descriptions of (and links to) various organizations and methods?
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
Might it be better to have one general "LHP" overview, with brief descriptions of (and links to) various organizations and methods?

Dude, shhhhh. You really want to go there?
 
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