The lusts of men is the problem

[Araceli Cianna]

I've mainly seen men responsible for rape, incest, pornography addiction, trafficking, and manipulation of people for sex. There are exceptions. My mother is one, but I see sexual perversion and addiction more prevalent among men, so it is men's lust that I'm addressing.

I should have chosen a different title for the thread, but chose that title so women who've had abortions know they are not to blame

Ah, I misunderstood, sorry. I was thinking on the level that both made a choice to come together and not be responsible, for example not practising safe sex, cheating on their partners, or even partaking in incest, etc. But on the level of rape, porn addiction (to the extent if comes between intimacy in a relationship), trafficking, and manipulation yes there are plenty of men responsible for this, but as well there are plenty of women responsible for lack of morality too. People who do these things their brains are wired differently and they are kind of mentally sick and need treatment I think. Just because some people are this way doesn't mean we can paint all of humanity with the same brush. There are equally as many responsible people out there (including men who don't get enough support!) Wrong is wrong, but consensual mistakes are different.

 

[Polymath257]

Approximately 125,000 innocent people were murdered yesterday to satisfy the lusts of men. The massacre continues each day with the cost of trillions and trillions of tax payers dollars, much grief, and countless wounded broken hearts!

What is the solution? Men need to learn self control, charity, sacrifice, stop using women as objects to satisfy their lusts, cease fornicating, cease stirring up passion with pornography addiction, cease getting women pregnant and leaving them, and learn self-control.

If people obeyed the laws of God, how many unwanted pregnancies would there be??

Depends on how many married people use contraception. if they don't, quite a large number.

What is driving me nuts is the fowl hedonism, immodesty, unrully passions, and lust that is promoted and propagated in the media and throughout our sick culture! This can't go on!

All of the weakest, undisciplined, hedonistic, perverted men I have spoken to on the topic are pro-choice. Go figure! I wonder why.

Perhaps your perception of 'undisciplined, perverted, and lustful' are what you need to investigate further?

People have very natural instincts to have sex. Furthermore, this happens in loving relationships which are not announced to the government or church (i.e, outside of marriage).

Furthermore, you seem to completely forget that women might like to have sex also. It takes two to tango, after all. Sex need not be (and ideally is not ever) simply 'using the woman to satisfy lusts'. if lust is involved (not necessarily a bad thing), it can be from both sides as a mutual agreement.

Now, I agree that 'getting women pregnant and leaving them' is a bad thing. it is a dereliction of responsibility. But this is what should be discussed *before* sexual contact, not after.

Sex is a good thing. It brings people closer together. it relieves stress and makes for a mentally and physically healthier person. But as with all activities, you need to know the risks and your tolerances for those risks and discuss them with other participants.

 

[Revoltingest]

Approximately 125,000 innocent people were murdered yesterday to satisfy the lusts of men. The massacre continues each day with the cost of trillions and trillions of tax payers dollars, much grief, and countless wounded broken hearts!

What is the solution? Men need to learn self control, charity, sacrifice, stop using women as objects to satisfy their lusts, cease fornicating, cease stirring up passion with pornography addiction, cease getting women pregnant and leaving them, and learn self-control.

If people obeyed the laws of God, how many unwanted pregnancies would there be??

What is driving me nuts is the fowl hedonism, immodesty, unrully passions, and lust that is promoted and propagated in the media and throughout our sick culture! This can't go on!

All of the weakest, undisciplined, hedonistic, perverted men I have spoken to on the topic are pro-choice. Go figure! I wonder why.

It is the unbridled lusts of men that is responsible for the slaughter houses and trillions of dollars spent each year on abortion!

I'm not on a crusade against what a woman can do with her body or to control anyone. However, many of those babies are female. What about the decision to mutilate and put to death their bodies? Who's the one exercising control over another human being, but the doctor performing the procedure? It isn't right!

Lust is listed in the Bible as one of the seven deadly sins. It is lust and hedonism I despise, not women.

Men, myself included, need to learn self-control. You like fornication and pornography? So do I....it doesn't change the fact that it's evil and damages the mind and soul. Last girl I was with gave me a sexually transmitted disease and I wore a condom. So much for safe sex.

We could save countless trillions of dollars and many lives and broken hearts, and stop the spread of STD's by exercising self-control, obeying God's laws, mortifying our lusts and sick passions, and cease with fornication!

The problem is men...men who don't live the uber-Xian Ned Flanders lifestyle?
Women have no say about their role in sex?
Surely, this is a joke....right?

 

[BSM1]

I like to receive correction. It makes me wiser and more mature, but I fail to see how I'm objectifying women. I'm condemning homicide, lust, fornication, and hedonism, period!

Women should have a say in this. I already told you, if I was a rape or incest victim, I would get an abortion, were I a woman. That doesn't change the fact that I had an innocent human being that had nothing to do with it killed, and I'm 100% convinced that such an act is evil in God's eyes, and being a victim of rape doesn't give a person license to have another human being killed.

It is the lusts of men primarily responsible for rape and incest. My case is based on logic and I need no doctorate to point out this obvious fact!

Not sure where you are, Pope, but around here it takes a man and a woman to create a child. Sure, a man can and should control his lust, but by the same token a woman should keep her legs crossed.

 

[Srivijaya]

I believe that nothing is quite as offensive to God as that.

But me personally, I'm more concerned about the living and their suffering. I believe however that sin harms everyone and brings about chastisement from God. 50 million killings from abortion due to lust and hedonism is crying to heaven for vengeance!

Your criticism of the right conservative stance is worth pondering. Thanks

I don't obviously see this as God being offended but I do suspect that you are deeply upset by it, rather than it being a sterile bit of dogma, in which case I'd call that genuine compassion from your side.

Vengeance though? That would be God's business. Right?

Are you Catholic btw?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Approximately 125,000 innocent people were murdered yesterday to satisfy the lusts of men. The massacre continues each day with the cost of trillions and trillions of tax payers dollars, much grief, and countless wounded broken hearts!

What is the solution? Men need to learn self control, charity, sacrifice, stop using women as objects to satisfy their lusts, cease fornicating, cease stirring up passion with pornography addiction, cease getting women pregnant and leaving them, and learn self-control.

If people obeyed the laws of God, how many unwanted pregnancies would there be??

What is driving me nuts is the fowl hedonism, immodesty, unrully passions, and lust that is promoted and propagated in the media and throughout our sick culture! This can't go on!

All of the weakest, undisciplined, hedonistic, perverted men I have spoken to on the topic are pro-choice. Go figure! I wonder why.

It is the unbridled lusts of men that is responsible for the slaughter houses and trillions of dollars spent each year on abortion!

I'm not on a crusade against what a woman can do with her body or to control anyone. However, many of those babies are female. What about the decision to mutilate and put to death their bodies? Who's the one exercising control over another human being, but the doctor performing the procedure? It isn't right!

Lust is listed in the Bible as one of the seven deadly sins. It is lust and hedonism I despise, not women.

Men, myself included, need to learn self-control. You like fornication and pornography? So do I....it doesn't change the fact that it's evil and damages the mind and soul. Last girl I was with gave me a sexually transmitted disease and I wore a condom. So much for safe sex.

We could save countless trillions of dollars and many lives and broken hearts, and stop the spread of STD's by exercising self-control, obeying God's laws, mortifying our lusts and sick passions, and cease with fornication!

I'm pro-choice. I have no idea who else you know, but I'll guarantee I don't fall into the bucket of 'weakest, undisciplined, hedonistic, perverted men'. And I don't need God's law to tell me to treat people decently, nor to remind me that women are, in fact, people.

The brush you are currently painting with is not merely 'broad' but instead parody.

 

[Spiderman]

The problem is men...men who don't live the uber-Xian Ned Flanders lifestyle?
Women have no say about their role in sex?
Surely, this is a joke....right?

I chose the title of the thread hoping that women traumatised by abortion would know I'm not placing them at fault.

 

[Spiderman]

I don't obviously see this as God being offended but I do suspect that you are deeply upset by it, rather than it being a sterile bit of dogma, in which case I'd call that genuine compassion from your side.

Vengeance though? That would be God's business. Right?

Are you Catholic btw?

I am a recent convert back to Catholicism.
Vengeance is God's business, but I feel he's wanting me to point out the moral decadence of the culture

 

[Polymath257]

I chose the title of the thread hoping that women traumatised by abortion would know I'm not placing them at fault.

And the women who found their abortions to be exactly what they needed?

 

[Revoltingest]

I chose the title of the thread hoping that women traumatised by abortion would know I'm not placing them at fault.

Don't women who get abortions (at least in the west) do so of their own choosing?
Let'm take responsibility for their own actions.

 

[Skwim]

If you don't believe an unborn human in the womb is human, then you have valid excuse to disregard everything I said. Have a nice day!

Thank you, I am.

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[Skwim]

If you don't believe an unborn human in the womb is human, then you have valid excuse to disregard everything I said. Have a nice day!

Err, actually, I do believe it's human, just not a viable living human being. In any case I am having a great day,

thank you.

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[Spiderman]

And the women who found their abortions to be exactly what they needed?

Sometimes abortion is the solution and lesser of two evils. 50 million a year and trillions of dollars makes me sick. I can't remain passive. I believe life begins at conception and sex outside of marriage and hedonism is the cause of the epidemic!

 

[Polymath257]

Sometimes abortion is the solution and lesser of two evils. 50 million a year and trillions of dollars makes me sick. I can't remain passive. I believe life begins at conception and sex outside of marriage and hedonism is the cause of the epidemic!

And I believe that personhood begins at birth and sex in general is a good thing. The negative views of human sexuality often promoted by monotheistic religions bother me greatly.