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The Mark of the Beast

Brother2

Member
Confusion reigns here too guys...it is a shame the arch deceiver the antichrist who knows the Bible better than we do has created such confusion and misunderstanding of Scripture so that you are all 'blown about with every wind of doctrine' and opinions and traditions of men....:confused:

er did our Lord say something like that when He was here? :yes:

The Creator of Heaven and Earth was here and said that...:bow: I for one will not argue with Him guys...:shout
 

Ben Masada

Well-Known Member
Confusion reigns here too guys...it is a shame the arch deceiver the antichrist who knows the Bible better than we do has created such confusion and misunderstanding of Scripture so that you are all 'blown about with every wind of doctrine' and opinions and traditions of men....:confused:

er did our Lord say something like that when He was here? :yes:

The Creator of Heaven and Earth was here and said that...:bow: I for one will not argue with Him guys...:shout


If the dead could hear what you have just said about Jesus, this could turn in his grave. Why? Because you have contradicted Jesus' own words in Mark 12:29, when he said that God is One and the only Lord. So much for the Pagan Mythology that Jesus was God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth.:rolleyes:
 

logician

Well-Known Member
To have an anti-Christ, you need a Christ, which never existed.

Also, the book of Revelation was written basically by a madman.
 

Zardoz

Wonderful Wizard
Premium Member
To have an anti-Christ, you need a Christ, which never existed.
Think of this rather as Jew and anti-Jew. Who was the anti-Jew? Esau. Rome was from Edom the descendant of Esau.

Also, the book of Revelation was written basically by a madman.

Or he only uses metaphors and symbolism that have little meaning to us now, but are still open for some to interpret the way they want. Myself, I don't waste my time with it.
 

Ben Masada

Well-Known Member
To have an anti-Christ, you need a Christ, which never existed.

Also, the book of Revelation was written basically by a madman.


Okay Logician, I know you don't believe a man called Christ existed. Neither do I. Christ was a title that Paul baptized Jesus with, when he decided to preach about Jesus as Christ, about 30 years after Jesus had been gone.

However, I am sure you believe in the meaning of words. Okay, Christ in Greek means "The Anointed One." I hope you are with me. I have in Habakkuk 3:13 that Israel, the Jewish People is "The Anointed One." Therefore, the Christ. Now, you cannot say that we, do not exist. Are we now at least agreeing half and a half with each other? Myself with you that Christ did not exist as a man, and you with me that, as a people, he does.:clap
 

logician

Well-Known Member
Confusion reigns here too guys...it is a shame the arch deceiver the antichrist who knows the Bible better than we do has created such confusion and misunderstanding of Scripture so that you are all 'blown about with every wind of doctrine' and opinions and traditions of men....:confused:

er did our Lord say something like that when He was here? :yes:

The Creator of Heaven and Earth was here and said that...:bow: I for one will not argue with Him guys...:shout

So are we to take it that you and the antichrist are the supreme authorities on the Xian bible?
 

jtartar

Well-Known Member
Christians, especially Protestants, and among them, the Seventh-Day Adventists in particular, enjoy to talk about the mark of the Beast; and with fantastic definitions, that only make a ridiculous picture of themselves. Then, they charge each other with the potential to
get the mark of the Beast. They think of almost everything but the real thing, which is given by the NT itself.

The mark of the Beast appears in conjunction with the Antichrist. Morphologically, the term Antichrist is composed of two words:
Anti and Christ. Anti means to stand against or to contradict. Christ means what Christians believe Jesus was. So, what stands against
Christ is only obvious that it means the Antichrist.

According to Matthew 5:17, Jesus declared that he had not come to abolish the Jewish laws. Then, 30 years later, Paul came and said
that what Jesus said was not true, but rather that the Jewish laws were abolished on the cross. (Ephe. 2:15)

As we can see, Paul stood against what Jesus said by contradicting his words about his purpose regarding the Jewish laws. If Jesus was
indeed Christ, as Christians believe he was, it's only obvious that Paul acted as the Antichrist.

Now, where did Paul say the Jewish laws were abolished? On the cross. And what did the cross mean to him? "God forbid," he said, "that I should glory in anything save in the cross." The cross meant the glory of Paul. (Gal. 6:14)

Now, we have the mark of the Beast: The cross, a symbol of shame and a curse to the Anointed of the Lord, who, in the words of Habakkuk 3:13, is the People of Israel, the Jewish People.

Now, your comments are welcome.

Ben :yes:

Ben Masada,
Every time I read one of your posts I am amazed that a person who obviously knows so little about Christianity, would write so much falsehood without making sure of what you write.
Consider what is said at Prov 2:1-9. In verse 4 we are told that we must search for understanding as we search for treasures. You seem to have no cognizance of nuances.
There are no contradictions in God's word, so when a scripture SEEMS to be at varience, we need to search how we can conflate these scriptures. All scriptures are related to all other scripture, so they either modify, or complement each other.
There is NOTHING in Paul's writings that disagree with anything that Jesus said.
Jesus said that he came not to destroy the law, but to fulfill it, Matt 5:17. At Jesus' death all the things in the law that pertained to Jesus was fulfilled. This made the Mosaic Law Covenant OBSOLETE, Heb 8:13. The Mosaic Law Covenant was SUPERCEDED by the NEW COVENANT that Jesus instituted on the night before his death, Luke 22:14-20. As Paul explains, this covenant is superior to the covenant that Moses instituted, because this NEW COVENANT was based on the blood of God's own son, Jesus, and not on the blood of goats and bulls as the Mosaic Covenant was, Heb 8:1-13, 9:13-24.
It seems to me that you do not believe your own Hebrew Scriptures. Have you never read Jere 31:31-34. Here that scriptures say that the Mosaic Law Covenant was just an interim Covenant, it was not to last forever. It was to be replaced by a NEW COVENANT!! Jesus instituted that NEW COVENANT on the night before he gave his life as the Lamb of God that took away the sins of all who would have faith in his RANSOM SACRIFICE. Paul was quoting from Jeremiah 31:31-34, about that New Covenant at Heb 10:11-18. John recorded that, one of the last things that Jesus said before he died was; It has been accomplished, meaning that he had fulfilled all the things written about him in the law, Luke 24:27. Then that Mosaic Law Covenant was, figuratively, nailed to the STAKE with Jesus and done away with, Acts 2:23, Col 2:13,14.
Over and over the Holy Scriptures tell us that Jesus died to release us from the Mosaic Law Covenant because the Law CONDEMNED to death everyone under it, because NO ONE could obey it perfectly, 2Cor 3:6,7, Acts 15:10, Gal 3:10-14, Rom 7:6, 9:1-8. Since it was not possible for the blood of goats and bulls to provide forgiveness for sins COMPLETELY, we need that New Covenant that depends on the blood of Jesus, Heb 7:11,12,18,19,24,25, 10:11.
Any person who will not listen to the Holy Scriptures has no chance to live in the Paradise of the near future, Heb 10:28-31, 2:2-4.
The Almighty God, JEHOVAH, has given ONE name by which ALL men MUST get saved, Acts 4:12. ONLY through Jesus can we be forgiven of our sins, and be declared righteous, Gal 2:15,16, Acts 13:38,39.
 

allright

Active Member
If the dead could hear what you have just said about Jesus, this could turn in his grave. Why? Because you have contradicted Jesus' own words in Mark 12:29, when he said that God is One and the only Lord. So much for the Pagan Mythology that Jesus was God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth.

Jesus also said "I and the Father are One"

What is his name and what is his son's name? Proverbs 30:4



 

Ben Masada

Well-Known Member
If the dead could hear what you have just said about Jesus, this could turn in his grave. Why? Because you have contradicted Jesus' own words in Mark 12:29, when he said that God is One and the only Lord. So much for the Pagan Mythology that Jesus was God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth.

Jesus also said "I and the Father are One"

What is his name and what is his son's name? Proverbs 30:4


Are you sure you really want to know what was God' Son's real name? I am not sure you want to know it but I am going to give it to you, anyway. Read Exodus 4:22,23. The name of the Father is "God of Abraham, Isaac and Yacov." And the name of His son is Israel, the People. The Father Himself said this about His son: "Israel is My son. So, let My son go, that he may serve Me." Keep this to memory, in order never to forget.

And regarding being one with the Father, I would like to prove to you that Jesus was speaking in the name of the People he belonged to. He also said, "I am the light of the world." And with the same mouth, he said to a crowd of Jews listening to him: "You are the light of the world." If you don't agree with that, you are admitting that Jesus spoke in contradictions. And I am sure you don't want that in his records.:no:
 

Ben Masada

Well-Known Member
Ben Masada,

There is NOTHING in Paul's writings that disagree with anything that Jesus said. Jesus said that he came not to destroy the law, but to fulfill it, Matt 5:17. At Jesus' death all the things in the law that pertained to Jesus was fulfilled.

Read Matthew 5:8,19. Until heavens and earth pass, nothing will change in the Law down to the letter. And that it should be fulfilled and taught by all. Did the heaven and earth passed away with the death of Jesus? No. Now, you have the proof you needed.

This made the Mosaic Law Covenant OBSOLETE, Heb 8:13. The Mosaic Law Covenant was SUPERCEDED by the NEW COVENANT that Jesus instituted on the night before his death, Luke 22:14-20. As Paul explains, this covenant is superior to the covenant that Moses instituted, because this NEW COVENANT was based on the blood of God's own son, Jesus, and not on the blood of goats and bulls as the Mosaic Covenant was, Heb 8:1-13, 9:13-24.

All part of the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology and against what Jesus taught and confirmed for all to teach.

It seems to me that you do not believe your own Hebrew Scriptures. Have you never read Jere 31:31-34. Here that scriptures say that the Mosaic Law Covenant was just an interim Covenant, it was not to last forever. It was to be replaced by a NEW COVENANT!!

The New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34. That Covenant is with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. The Covenant with the Gentiles is the Noahite Covenant. And replacement of the Jewish Covenant by a Christian Covenant has been proved by some Scholars to be a classic form of Antisemitism.

Jesus instituted that NEW COVENANT on the night before he gave his life as the Lamb of God that took away the sins of all who would have faith in his RANSOM SACRIFICE.

No one can die for the sins of another. (Ezek. 14:8) And who decided that, Paul? But of course! Who else?

Paul was quoting from Jeremiah 31:31-34, about that New Covenant at Heb 10:11-18. John recorded that, one of the last things that Jesus said before he died was; It has been accomplished, meaning that he had fulfilled all the things written about him in the law, Luke 24:27. Then that Mosaic Law Covenant was, figuratively, nailed to the STAKE with Jesus and done away with, Acts 2:23, Col 2:13,14.

You forgot Ephesians 2:15, when Paul contradicted Jesus' words in Matthew 5:17 by implying that Jesus had either lied or did not know what had happened.

Over and over the Holy Scriptures tell us that Jesus died to release us from the Mosaic Law Covenant because the Law CONDEMNED to death everyone under it, because NO ONE could obey it perfectly, 2Cor 3:6,7, Acts 15:10, Gal 3:10-14, Rom 7:6, 9:1-8.

Interesting! You state, "over and over the Holy Scriptures" and then quote only passages of a scripture that Jesus never had any way to find out it could have ever existed.

Since it was not possible for the blood of goats and bulls to provide forgiveness for sins COMPLETELY, we need that New Covenant that depends on the blood of Jesus, Heb 7:11,12,18,19,24,25, 10:11.

No one can be sacrificed for the sins of another. (Ezek. 8:14)

Any person who will not listen to the Holy Scriptures has no chance to live in the Paradise of the near future, Heb 10:28-31, 2:2-4.
The Almighty God, JEHOVAH, has given ONE name by which ALL men MUST get saved, Acts 4:12. ONLY through Jesus can we be forgiven of our sins, and be declared righteous, Gal 2:15,16, Acts 13:38,39.

On the contrary. Only through obedience to the Law can one be declared righteous. (Isa. 1:18,19):shout
 
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AK4

Well-Known Member
Ben Masada,



Read Matthew 5:8,19. Until heavens and earth pass, nothing will change in the Law down to the letter. And that it should be fulfilled and taught by all. Did the heaven and earth passed away with the death of Jesus? No. Now, you have the proof you needed.



All part of the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology and against what Jesus taught and confirmed for all to teach.



The New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34. That Covenant is with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. The Covenant with the Gentiles is the Noahite Covenant. And replacement of the Jewish Covenant by a Christian Covenant has been proved by some Scholars to be a classic form of Antisemitism.



No one can die for the sins of another. (Ezek. 14:8) And who decided that, Paul? But of course! Who else?



You forgot Ephesians 2:15, when Paul contradicted Jesus' words in Matthew 5:17 by implying that Jesus had either lied or did not know what had happened.



Interesting! You state, "over and over the Holy Scriptures" and then quote only passages of a scripture that Jesus never had any way to find out it could have ever existed.



No one can be sacrificed for the sins of another. (Ezek. 8:14)



On the contrary. Only through obedience to the Law can one be declared righteous. (Isa. 1:18,19):shout


Tell me ben, is there a reason why all of your references to a particular verse have nothing to do with whatever your saying?

Also you say that only through obedience to the law can one be declared righteous. then explain this

Ge 15:6 - [In Context|Read Chapter|Original Hebrew] And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Only is wrong.
 

Ben Masada

Well-Known Member
AK4, you are not interested in learning anything. You are only trolling around in the hope that someone drop a candy on your sweet tooth for a possible debate.:sorry1:
 

AK4

Well-Known Member
AK4, you are not interested in learning anything. You are only trolling around in the hope that someone drop a candy on your sweet tooth for a possible debate.:sorry1:

Thats funny. So in your perspective i am doing this because i am uwilling to learn your beliefs. Could i not say the exact same thing to you? Ive showed you many things that didnt contradict the Word in any way yet you refused to learn the truth. Is there a wonder why God calls people stiff necked? hmmm
 
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