The meaning of "atheism" and "terrorism"

[Revoltingest]

That's how it classified, IOW an atheist can be religious by his acts and a religious can be an atheist by his acts or deeds if i may say.

So you can say they're irreligious.

That would make no sense regarding people who do things I consider immoral, but do so in the name of (& consistent with) their religion. I can also see that some believers might knowingly violate their religion, & in such cases, "irreligious" would apply....but not "atheism".

 

[JoStories]

Those who don't abide with morals and decency

So this would include whom for you? Because it seems, in defining the term irreligious, this would include anyone who does not fit into the definition of your religion. And believe me, I have known some people of faith who were or are without morals and as indecent as one can get, claiming I might add, that they are acting at the behest of God.

 

[FearGod]

So what terms would you use to describe those who are religious irregardless of their morality? What's the blanket term to cover all those identifying as Muslim, Christian, Neopagan, Hindu etc irregardless of whether they're good people or not?

Their way of life, a hindu can be good or bad, Christian can be good or bad, we describe good people as having religion (deen) and those who are evil we say they don't posses religion (deen), we differ in the meaning of the word which to us is the perfect way to live .

 

[leibowde84]

That is how we label it, regardless of ones religion, if he do awful things we describe and label him as irreligious even if a cleric.
Religion is a word as a moral code, that's how we understand it.

Who is "we"? Do you not understand how insulting that is to Atheists ... equating morality with religious adherence? It is demoralizing.

 

[FearGod]

That would make no sense regarding people who do things I consider immoral, but do so in the name of (& consistent with) their religion. I can also see that some believers might knowingly violate their religion, & in such cases, "irreligious" would apply....but not "atheism".

Atheism isn't a way of life, an atheist can be good and can be evil depending in the way he choose.

 

[JoStories]

Their way of life, a hindu can be good or bad, Christian can be good or bad, we describe good people as having religion (deen) and those who are evil we say they don't posses religion (deen), we differ in the meaning of the word which to us is the perfect way to live .

I beleive I can see how,you view this, however, for most, you have to understand that what you say seems like double talk. I mean no offense by btw. IMO, and in the view of many, a person can be deeply religious and evil as well. Or an atheist can be good and without any beliefs as they pertain to religion. Religion, for some, is not a way of life. I understand that it is for you but here, we mostly live a secular life.

 

[Kirran]

Their way of life, a hindu can be good or bad, Christian can be good or bad, we describe good people as having religion (deen) and those who are evil we say they don't posses religion (deen), we differ in the meaning of the word which to us is the perfect way to live .

Some people who do not believe in God are very moral, some are very immoral, by a certain set of standards. What term do you use to label people who do not believe in God, whether they're moral or not?

 

[Revoltingest]

Atheism isn't a way of life, an atheist can be good and can be evil depending in the way he choose.

Aye, on this we agree.

 

[FearGod]

Who is "we"? Do you not understand how insulting that is to Atheists ... equating morality with religious adherence? It is demoralizing.

No, it isn't insulting, now if you say a terrorist Muslim, will be that an insult for Muslims.

 

[Kirran]

No, it isn't insulting, now if you say a terrorist Muslim, will be that an insult for Muslims.

It is quite insulting to say that religiosity = morality. Those who are not religious may well be highly moral.

 

[JoStories]

No, it isn't insulting, now if you say a terrorist Muslim, will be that an insult for Muslims.

Like it or not, it is also a truth. What do you call those Muslims who are beheading people in the Middle East? I believe Lebo just posted an article about such an act. Or what of 9/11?

 

[JoStories]

It is quite insulting to say that religiosity = morality. Those who are not religious may well be highly moral.

Indeed they can. My dad was a lifelong atheist and IMO, there are few who were more moral than he.

 

[leibowde84]

No, it isn't insulting, now if you say a terrorist Muslim, will be that an insult for Muslims.

A person idensities their own religiouso affiliation. Thus, if a terrorist identifies himself as Muslim, then the classification would be accurate. This would go for any other religion as well. It is in no way saying that all Muslims are terrorists, just those that commit "acts of terror." Same would be used for any other religion. Islam cannot demand special treatkent. It is in no way related to a blanket statement like yours, claiming that religion has a monopoly over morality, which actually is a blanket insult toward all atheists. Obviously referring to a specific Muslim who has committed acts of terror could not possibly be a blanket statement.

 

[FearGod]

So this would include whom for you? Because it seems, in defining the term irreligious, this would include anyone who does not fit into the definition of your religion. And believe me, I have known some people of faith who were or are without morals and as indecent as one can get, claiming I might add, that they are acting at the behest of God.

I know some people who are religious but they aren't, OMG ,in which language i have to speak for you to understand.
One can be called Muslim but not religious and one can be called atheist but religious, it is about the way of life
One may live serving the poor and avoid doing bad deeds and then he has "din" or perfect way of life.

both mainstream and reformist Muslim writers take the word to mean an all-encompassing way of life carried out under the auspices of God's divine purpose as expressed in the Qur'an and hadith
Dīn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[FearGod]

A person idensities their own religiouso affiliation. Thus, if a terrorist identifies himself as Muslim, then the classification would be accurate. This would go for any other religion as well. It is in no way saying that all Muslims are terrorists, just those that commit "acts of terror." Same would be used for any other religion. Islam cannot demand special treatkent. It is in no way related to a blanket statement like yours, claiming that religion has a monopoly over morality, which actually is a blanket insult toward all atheists. Obviously referring to a specific Muslim who has committed acts of terror could not possibly be a blanket statement.

So you didn't understand what i was saying.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I know some people who are religious but they aren't, OMG ,in which language i have to speak for you to understand.
One can be called Muslim but not religious and one can be called atheist but religious, it is about the way of life
One may live serving the poor and avoid doing bad deeds and then he has "din" or perfect way of life.

both mainstream and reformist Muslim writers take the word to mean an all-encompassing way of life carried out under the auspices of God's divine purpose as expressed in the Qur'an and hadith
Dīn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think the root of the problem is English is not your native language is it not? In English the term is pretty exclusive to mean piety. And I am assuming in your language there isn't a good direct translation of what you want to call it which would mean someone who lives their life in a certain way that would be deemed moral or good. Is that right?

 

[leibowde84]

No, it isn't insulting, now if you say a terrorist Muslim, will be that an insult for Muslims.

How could it be if they were committing acts of terror because of his Islamic beliefs? If they identify as Muslim, they are Muslim. It's up to them ... no one else.

 

[leibowde84]

So you didn't understand what i was saying.

No. I don't think it makes sense, as identifying an terrorists religion cannot be offensive. Same would go for any religiin, as long as it is related to the crime at hand.

 

[Kirran]

I know some people who are religious but they aren't, OMG ,in which language i have to speak for you to understand.
One can be called Muslim but not religious and one can be called atheist but religious, it is about the way of life
One may live serving the poor and avoid doing bad deeds and then he has "din" or perfect way of life.

both mainstream and reformist Muslim writers take the word to mean an all-encompassing way of life carried out under the auspices of God's divine purpose as expressed in the Qur'an and hadith
Dīn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I, and I think everybody else here, understand what you're saying.

But I don't think 'religious' is a good translation for this term.

For us, a religious person is a follower of a religion - so a Muslim, a Christian, a Hindu, a Shintoist, whatever - irregardless of their piety and their morality. And irreligious person is essentially anybody who is not a follower of a religion.

 

[FearGod]

I think the root of the problem is English is not your native language is it not? In English the term is pretty exclusive to mean piety. And I am assuming in your language there isn't a good direct translation of what you want to call it which would mean someone who lives their life in a certain way that would be deemed moral or good. Is that right?

Yes, it's the way of life and not believing in a deity.