The Meaning of Body Resurrection

[Ben Sinai]

Readers of this forum, I am sure you are all intelligent people.

　
First intelligent thing you have posted thus far. Hehehehe J/K
　

After you read this post above, I hope you have been able to see and understand the fallacy of serving God for reward in an afterlife.
Read every sentence, and see that every sentence is based on the infamous statement, "What there is in there for me?" The author even comes down to the shameful level to imply that if all that there is, is this life to live, "why must we even believe in Yah Himself?" I even doubt if he believes in God at all. I should not wonder about such attitudes after the Pauline condition of resurrection to serve God. Here is a paraphrase of what Paul meant in I Corinthians 15:32. I am ready to serve God, but if the dead won't resurrect, forget it! I'll rather eat and drink for tomorrow we die. This promise to serve God and the conditions stipulated in the post above are worthy menstrual rags.
I tell you something. I don't believe in heaven or hell, but if I am mistaken and they exist, I bet you my word that the people God would send to hell will be those who profess to serve Him only if there is something in there for them. And to Heaven only those who don't care and serve God only for the reward to serve Him.
And for my last thing to say, I am sorry for Ben Sinai.

　
And as for all this gibberish, I worship and obey Yah. You rather seem to worship yourself.
　
As far as the reward thingy goes. You continue to imply that Yah does not know the mind of man. You yet again imply that Yah is nothing to your own carnal thoughts and feelings. I full well accept the will and word of Yah and do them for I love him with all of my might and all of my being. He knows my mind and reasons. I really do not care YBM what you think of me or what I believe. I just feel horrible for all those beautiful people here that might somehow be lost to your poppycock. It makes me feel refreshed each and every time that I am awarded enough wisdom and knowledge to shed light on such debaucheries against Yah. I only hope that I am chosen for that reward of eternal life that I may be allowed to continue in loving Him by continued loving obedience to His will and way. Man, just to know that I have pleased my Father in such a way that He would bestow that beatific vision unto me. What a great and wonderful feeling it would be. My father here on earth, I also loved and would do his commands out of love for him and even though I never expected any reward from him for doing so it was always a great treat when he thought what I had done was good enough for some credit. I knew that he was proud of me and wanted to show me just how proud he was. I know that Yah as our heavenly Father would want to show those that obey to the end just how proud He is by rewarding those that was always loyal unto him with eternal life. For that is, after all, the conclusion of the whole matter………
　
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear Elohim, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For Elohim shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
　
And just to show everyone that YBM doesn’t just have a thing against brother Sha’ul I will also add……….
　
Rev 21:1 I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth have passed away, and the sea is no more.
Rev 21:2 I saw the holy city, New Yerushalayim, coming down out of heaven from Elohim, made ready like a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 I heard a loud voice out of heaven saying, "Behold, Elohim's dwelling is with people, and he will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and Elohim himself will be with them as their Elohim.
Rev 21:4 He will wipe away from them every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; neither will there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more. The first things have passed away."
Rev 21:5 He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." He said, "Write, for these words of Elohim are faithful and true."
Rev 21:6 He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alef and the Tav, the Beginning and the End. I will give freely to him who is thirsty from the spring of the water of life.
Rev 21:7 He who overcomes, I will give him these things. I will be his Elohim, and he will be my son.
Rev 21:8 But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."


:slap: Tag, your it. Hehehehe

 

[Ben Masada]

　
First intelligent thing you have posted thus far. Hehehehe J/K
　

　
And as for all this gibberish, I worship and obey Yah. You rather seem to worship yourself.
　
As far as the reward thingy goes. You continue to imply that Yah does not know the mind of man. You yet again imply that Yah is nothing to your own carnal thoughts and feelings. I full well accept the will and word of Yah and do them for I love him with all of my might and all of my being. He knows my mind and reasons. I really do not care YBM what you think of me or what I believe. I just feel horrible for all those beautiful people here that might somehow be lost to your poppycock. It makes me feel refreshed each and every time that I am awarded enough wisdom and knowledge to shed light on such debaucheries against Yah. I only hope that I am chosen for that reward of eternal life that I may be allowed to continue in loving Him by continued loving obedience to His will and way. Man, just to know that I have pleased my Father in such a way that He would bestow that beatific vision unto me. What a great and wonderful feeling it would be. My father here on earth, I also loved and would do his commands out of love for him and even though I never expected any reward from him for doing so it was always a great treat when he thought what I had done was good enough for some credit. I knew that he was proud of me and wanted to show me just how proud he was. I know that Yah as our heavenly Father would want to show those that obey to the end just how proud He is by rewarding those that was always loyal unto him with eternal life. For that is, after all, the conclusion of the whole matter………
　
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear Elohim, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For Elohim shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
　
And just to show everyone that YBM doesn’t just have a thing against brother Sha’ul I will also add……….
　
Rev 21:1 I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth have passed away, and the sea is no more.
Rev 21:2 I saw the holy city, New Yerushalayim, coming down out of heaven from Elohim, made ready like a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 I heard a loud voice out of heaven saying, "Behold, Elohim's dwelling is with people, and he will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and Elohim himself will be with them as their Elohim.
Rev 21:4 He will wipe away from them every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; neither will there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more. The first things have passed away."
Rev 21:5 He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." He said, "Write, for these words of Elohim are faithful and true."
Rev 21:6 He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alef and the Tav, the Beginning and the End. I will give freely to him who is thirsty from the spring of the water of life.
Rev 21:7 He who overcomes, I will give him these things. I will be his Elohim, and he will be my son.
Rev 21:8 But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."


:slap: Tag, your it. Hehehehe

Again, more and more of this rubbish of conditional love with an eye in afterlife reward. Only a moron can be persuaded that to impose conditions to serve God, one will get anything out of Him. This is what I call spiritual bribe. And I tell you, no one can bribe the Almighty.

 

[S-word]

My wife, whom I dearly love gave to me a choice, 'If I remain faithful to her she will live with me until the end of days,' because of my love for her I choose to be faithful even though I have been faced with many temptations to sin against her. My God whom I dearly love, has given me the same choice and even though I believe that he is more forgiving than my wife, I strive each day, not to sin against my Father, because the thought of being seperated from either one is more than I can bear. It's not some reward I seek that make me strive to be faithful, but the mental suffering that I would endure if I were to be seperated fom those I love.

 

[Ben Sinai]

Again, more and more of this rubbish of conditional love with an eye in afterlife reward. Only a moron can be persuaded that to impose conditions to serve God, one will get anything out of Him. This is what I call spiritual bribe. And I tell you, no one can bribe the Almighty.

Your so self-absorbed. Your either blind as a bat or just, as I have stated in another one of the threads tonight, love to disagree just for the sake of disagreeing. You have no facts of what you state but your own delusional thoughts and feelings but I have what is written by Hebrews, about Hebrews and for Hebrews but you being some self-proclaimed so called biblical jew just can’t fathom the truth of it all. Just because one looks forward to what has already been promised in no way makes anything conditional or bribery. The statement you made was moronically inclinded.

 

[Ben Sinai]

My wife, whom I dearly love gave to me a choice, 'If I remain faithful to her she will live with me until the end of days,' because of my love for her I choose to be faithful even though I have been faced with many temptations to sin against her. My God whom I dearly love, has given me the same choice and even though I believe that he is more forgiving than my wife, I strive each day, not to sin against my Father, because the thought of being seperated from either one is more than I can bear. It's not some reward I seek that make me strive to be faithful, but the mental suffering that I would endure if I were to be seperated fom those I love.

I rather liked that. Frubals galore.

 

[Ben Masada]

My wife, whom I dearly love gave to me a choice, 'If I remain faithful to her she will live with me until the end of days,' because of my love for her I choose to be faithful even though I have been faced with many temptations to sin against her. My God whom I dearly love, has given me the same choice and even though I believe that he is more forgiving than my wife, I strive each day, not to sin against my Father, because the thought of being seperated from either one is more than I can bear. It's not some reward I seek that make me strive to be faithful, but the mental suffering that I would endure if I were to be seperated fom those I love.

S-Word, forgive me if you take this as an offense, but I don't believe you. That's not what you have learned from the founder of your religion. What Paul passed unto you is that if there is no resurrection, let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die. (I Cor. 15:32) You could have not changed that radically from that father of your Church.

You spoke as a Jew in this post of yours above; since you are not Jewish, I can't believe what you said. And if you bring this message to "Ben Sinai," he will open his big lion mouth and eat you alive for implying the lack of a good reward in some kind of afterlife.

 

[Ben Masada]

Your so self-absorbed. Your either blind as a bat or just, as I have stated in another one of the threads tonight, love to disagree just for the sake of disagreeing. You have no facts of what you state but your own delusional thoughts and feelings but I have what is written by Hebrews, about Hebrews and for Hebrews but you being some self-proclaimed so called biblical jew just can’t fathom the truth of it all. Just because one looks forward to what has already been promised in no way makes anything conditional or bribery. The statement you made was moronically inclinded.

Thank you for the bat analogy. I liked that one. Why? Because, I don't even need eyes to see my way through. My ESP is well developed by the grace of Yah. No wonder, with your many eyes, you see so many human traces in God.

 

[S-word]

S-Word, forgive me if you take this as an offense, but I don't believe you. That's not what you have learned from the founder of your religion. What Paul passed unto you is that if there is no resurrection, let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die. (I Cor. 15:32) You could have not changed that radically from that father of your Church.

You spoke as a Jew in this post of yours above; since you are not Jewish, I can't believe what you said. And if you bring this message to "Ben Sinai," he will open his big lion mouth and eat you alive for implying the lack of a good reward in some kind of afterlife.

I deem it as an honour that you don't believe me Ben. Having listened to the rubbish that you do believe, eg, Joseph stole the body of Jesus out of the tomb before the Roman soldiers sealed the empty tomb according to you, and stood guard over an empty tomb to make sure no robbers entered, in order to steal the body that those Roman soldiers who, if convicted of deriliction of duty could face the death penalty, were commishioned to protect from grave robbers.

And what about Job who the Lord counts among the three most righteous men up until the time of Ezekiel? You believe that he did not exist in reality, but was merely a figment of Ezra's imagination etc; yes Ben, you who disbelieve nearly everything in God's word, honour me by disbelieving me also.

As far as the suggestion that Paul, one of twelve apostles of Jesus the founder and source of my faith, was anything but a slave and faithful servant to our saviour God and Jesus Christ our hope, I will ignore with the contempt that it deserves.

 

[Ben Masada]

I deem it as an honour that you don't believe me Ben. Having listened to the rubbish that you do believe, eg, Joseph stole the body of Jesus out of the tomb before the Roman soldiers sealed the empty tomb according to you, and stood guard over an empty tomb to make sure no robbers entered, in order to steal the body that those Roman soldiers who, if convicted of deriliction of duty could face the death penalty, were commishioned to protect from grave robbers.

And what about Job who the Lord counts among the three most righteous men up until the time of Ezekiel? You believe that he did not exist in reality, but was merely a figment of Ezra's imagination etc; yes Ben, you who disbelieve nearly everything in God's word, honour me by disbelieving me also.

As far as the suggestion that Paul, one of twelve apostles of Jesus the founder and source of my faith, was anything but a slave and faithful servant to our saviour God and Jesus Christ our hope, I will ignore with the contempt that it deserves.

Do you really want me to believe that Paul was one of the twelve apostles? You must be joking for lack of a better word! Paul never saw Jesus. When Jesus was crucified, Paul must have been about 5 years old playing with his littles dolls from the Olympian Greek gods.

When Paul showed up in Jerusalem, after his three years in Damascus, it was about 30 years since Jesus had been gone. You can't possibly be serious! That's a gun shot on your credibility. If you insist that you are serious, you should study your Bible before posting here in this forum.

 

[Ben Sinai]

Thank you for the bat analogy. I liked that one. Why? Because, I don't even need eyes to see my way through. My ESP is well developed by the grace of Yah. No wonder, with your many eyes, you see so many human traces in God.

ESP? Extra spastic Personality?

Its not Human traces we find in Yah but rather it is the traces of Yah we find in ourselves. He did after all create us.

 

[S-word]

Do you really want me to believe that Paul was one of the twelve apostles? You must be joking for lack of a better word! Paul never saw Jesus. When Jesus was crucified, Paul must have been about 5 years old playing with his littles dolls from the Olympian Greek gods.

When Paul showed up in Jerusalem, after his three years in Damascus, it was about 30 years since Jesus had been gone. You can't possibly be serious! That's a gun shot on your credibility. If you insist that you are serious, you should study your Bible before posting here in this forum.

I don’t much care what you believe old mate; nothing you have said so far has anything to do with that which is recorded in the Word of God, You may not believe that what the Bible says is true, but what you cannot avoid believing, is that the Bible states that Paul is an Apostle of Jesus. Any person who has studied the Bible, which obviously you haven’t, would know from the words recorded therein that Paul was a Hebrew speaking Jew who had learned to speak Greek and that although he was born in Tarsus which was a noted seat of philosophy and literature; he was born to a woman who was a citizen of Rome and sired by an Israelite father of the pseudo tribe of Benjamin.

Pauls Israelite Father must have been a devout follower of the church of Moses, for at a very young age, Paul was taken to Jerusalem where he leaned at the feet of a Pharisee named Gamaliel who was a doctor of the law and a celebrated teacher among the Jews. Had you studied the Bible before posting here in this forum, you would have never made such a ridiculous and uncorroborated statement that only a sick mind that has been malformed by its hatred toward God’s Word could make, which is, that Pauls father who was such a devout follower of the church of Moses would ever have let his young child play with little dolls from the Olympian Greek gods. Good heavens you come out with some rubbish mate.

Having studied the bible before posting here in this forum, which obviously you haven’t, otherwise you would never have denied that it is stated many times therein that Paul is an apostle of Jesus, and although Paul did not know the man Jesus before his body of corruptible matter was translated to an incorruptible body of brilliant Light, irrelevant to what you, who do not study the Bible believe, Paul did see Jesus of Nazareth.

Paul who had received strict instructions to the law of his Jewish ancestors and was as dedicated to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, as any man could possibly be, just like yourself and the Jewish priests who had demanded the death of Jesus, hated the followers of Jesus with an almost insane hatred and had persecuted to death the people who followed the New Way.
How many men and women did he have arrested and thrown into prison no one knows and he even held the coats of those who had stoned the innocent Stephen to death.

Quote...Ben: You must be joking for lack of a better word! Paul never saw Jesus.

It was while Paul was on the road to Damascus to arrest more Christians and bring them back to Jerusalem to be punished that he was confronted by Jesus in his brilliant body of incorruptible light which blinded the eyes of Paul who asked whose was the voice that was speaking to him and who heard the answer, “I am Jesus of Nazareth whom you persecute.” What a pity that you don’t study the Bible before posting here in this forum.

 

[Ben Masada]

ESP? Extra spastic Personality?

Its not Human traces we find in Yah but rather it is the traces of Yah we find in ourselves. He did after all create us.

Then "regretted" to have done so, because man turned back and made a man out of God, as you guys do. (Gen. 6:5)

 

[Ben Masada]

I don’t much care what you believe old mate; nothing you have said so far has anything to do with that which is recorded in the Word of God, You may not believe that what the Bible says is true, but what you cannot avoid believing, is that the Bible states that Paul is an Apostle of Jesus. Any person who has studied the Bible, which obviously you haven’t, would know from the words recorded therein that Paul was a Hebrew speaking Jew who had learned to speak Greek and that although he was born in Tarsus which was a noted seat of philosophy and literature; he was born to a woman who was a citizen of Rome and sired by an Israelite father of the pseudo tribe of Benjamin.

Sorry pal, but your blinders are too tight. You can't see beyond the length of your nose. You are heading into a condition of beyond repair.

Pauls Israelite Father must have been a devout follower of the church of Moses, for at a very young age, Paul was taken to Jerusalem where he leaned at the feet of a Pharisee named Gamaliel who was a doctor of the law and a celebrated teacher among the Jews. Had you studied the Bible before posting here in this forum, you would have never made such a ridiculous and uncorroborated statement that only a sick mind that has been malformed by its hatred toward God’s Word could make, which is, that Pauls father who was such a devout follower of the church of Moses would ever have let his young child play with little dolls from the Olympian Greek gods. Good heavens you come out with some rubbish mate.

Real rubbish is to say that Moses had a church. What kind of imagination is that? Then, prove to me that Paul learned at the feet of Gamaliel. Just don't tell me that's because he said so. His word never enjoyed credibility among the Jews. He was of the kind to lie his way out of any situation.

Having studied the bible before posting here in this forum, which obviously you haven’t, otherwise you would never have denied that it is stated many times therein that Paul is an apostle of Jesus, and although Paul did not know the man Jesus before his body of corruptible matter was translated to an incorruptible body of brilliant Light, irrelevant to what you, who do not study the Bible believe, Paul did see Jesus of Nazareth.

Prove it that Paul saw Jesus. Again, don't give me the word of a liar. It won't be believed.

Paul who had received strict instructions to the law of his Jewish ancestors and was as dedicated to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, as any man could possibly be, just like yourself and the Jewish priests who had demanded the death of Jesus, hated the followers of Jesus with an almost insane hatred and had persecuted to death the people who followed the New Way.

You are following the same antisemitic attitude of the disciples of Paul to accuse the Jews with the death of Jesus. Pope John 23rd asked publicly from the Jewish People to forgive Christianity for the antisemitic false accusation of 2,000 years ago and you still perpetuate it.

It was while Paul was on the road to Damascus to arrest more Christians and bring them back to Jerusalem to be punished that he was confronted by Jesus in his brilliant body of incorruptible light which blinded the eyes of Paul who asked whose was the voice that was speaking to him and who heard the answer, “I am Jesus of Nazareth whom you persecute.” What a pity that you don’t study the Bible before posting here in this forum.

You are so ignorant of NT History that even Logic you deny. Paul never in his life arrested a single Christian. He persecuted Nazarenes and not Christians. Christians started with him. Read Acts 11:26. But release the blinders first or you will not see the truth.

Regarding what happened on the Road to Damascus, it was a strategic change of mind. He finally understood that the more he persecuted the Nazarenes, the more they would grow. So, he decided to join the Sect and fight it from within. And a good tactic was to lie to the Apostles by saying that he had met Jesus on the Road to Damascus. Nice try because the Apostles didn't believe him. They knew that he was either lying or crazy. That Jesus had not gone in the direction of Damascus.

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

I would really like to get back to a civilized discussion of the OP. It's very interesting.

 

[Ben Masada]

I would really like to get back to a civilized discussion of the OP. It's very interesting.

I would appreciate that one too, Davy, but fanaticism and fundamentalism is a disgrace to civil discussions.

 

[S-word]

I don’t much care what you believe old mate; nothing you have said so far has anything to do with that which is recorded in the Word of God, You may not believe that what the Bible says is true, but what you cannot avoid believing, is that the Bible states that Paul is an Apostle of Jesus. Any person who has studied the Bible, which obviously you haven’t, would know from the words recorded therein that Paul was a Hebrew speaking Jew who had learned to speak Greek and that although he was born in Tarsus which was a noted seat of philosophy and literature; he was born to a woman who was a citizen of Rome and sired by an Israelite father of the pseudo tribe of Benjamin.

Quoted by Ben: Sorry pal, but your blinders are too tight. You can't see beyond the length of your nose. You are heading into a condition of beyond repair.
S-words Answer: We shall see Benny boy, we shall see.

I Pauls Israelite Father must have been a devout follower of the church of Moses, for at a very young age, Paul was taken to Jerusalem where he leaned at the feet of a Pharisee named Gamaliel who was a doctor of the law and a celebrated teacher among the Jews. Had you studied the Bible before posting here in this forum, you would have never made such a ridiculous and uncorroborated statement that only a sick mind that has been malformed by its hatred toward God’s Word could make, which is, that Pauls father who was such a devout follower of the church of Moses would ever have let his young child play with little dolls from the Olympian Greek gods. Good heavens you come out with some rubbish mate.

Quoted by Ben: Real rubbish is to say that Moses had a church.
S-words answer: Readers Digest ‘Complete Word Finder’: (Church) institutionalized religion as a political or social force. It was Moses who organized the Israelites into the cohesive religious social force of the church created by Moses according to the words of the Lord. But you who say that it is impossible to believe what is recorded in the Bible some fifty years after Jesus, could not possibly believe that Moses founded the church of Israel, as you yourself have stated, that you believe that the books attributed to Moses were written some 800 years after Moses, by the scribe Ezra

Quoted by Ben: What kind of imagination is that?
S-words answer: Unlike yourself, who is forever inventing stories that exist only in your stunted mind, I don’t need imagination to prove that Moses organised the Israelites into a religious social force, which is a church, I simply resource what is recorded in the Old Testament, and whether you believe God’s Word or not, is entirely up to you my friend.

Quoted by Ben: Then, prove to me that Paul learned at the feet of Gamaliel. Just don't tell me that's because he said so. His word never enjoyed credibility among the Jews. He was of the kind to lie his way out of any situation.
S-words answer: And you should talk Ben, “As ye judge, so shall ye be judged”.
Paul enjoyed the support of all the Jews in the communities of all the different towns that he visited, which were those Jews who followed the new way of Christ, the Jews who adhered to the Old way hated him, but then they hated and persecuted all Jews who followed the New way, and they had James the son of Zebedee killed and had Peter imprisoned and even the younger of Mary’s three sons James the righteous who was the first to sit in the Episcopal throne of the church of the circumcision was to die at the hands of the same Sadducee sect who had the Romans kill his brother Jesus.

Quoted by Ben: Just don't tell me that's because he (Paul) said so.
S-words answer: Knowing that you believe that it was Luke and not Paul who wrote the book of Acts and that later in this post you reveal that you believe the words that are written in Acts, I will tell you what is recorded in God’s Word irrelevant to your demands that I am not to use the words of Paul whom you so vehemently hate. I will quote from God’s Holy Word irrelevant of who recorded what the spirit moved them to record. And now, rather than write here what you can read for yourself from the Word of God, if you will turn to the New Testament and look just a little beyond the length of your own nose you will see all the verses that reveal Pauls relationship to the town of Tarsus, which are recorded in Acts which were not written by Paul who you see as a low life liar: Acts 9: 11—9: 30 –- 11: 25 --- 21: 39 --- 22: 3. And Acts 22: 3; will also show to those, unlike you, who believe God’s word, that Paul studied in Jerusalem at the feet of Gamaliel. But if you choose to disbelieve God’s word and invent some way-out uncorroborated story from that distorted mind of yours, then that is your prerogative

I Having studied the bible before posting here in this forum, which obviously you haven’t, otherwise you would never have denied that it is stated many times therein that Paul is an apostle of Jesus, and although Paul did not know the man Jesus before his body of corruptible matter was translated to an incorruptible body of brilliant Light, irrelevant to what you, who do not study the Bible believe, Paul did see Jesus of Nazareth.

Quoted by Ben: Prove it that Paul saw Jesus. Again, don't give me the word of a liar. It won't be believed.

S-words answer: It wouldn't matter what I qoute from anywhere in God's Word, it would not be believed by you, but I have proved that God’s word states that Paul saw the glorified spiritual body of Jesus of Nazareth as seen below, but now why do you attack Paul, an Israelite from the pseudo tribe of Benjamin which tribe was effectively destroyed in the days of Phinas and Jonathan the grandsons of Moses and Aaron who were born during Israel’s sojourn in Egypt, that is, if you can believe something that was only recorded by Ezra who you claim was a fiction writter almost a thousand years after the event, or so you believe. Paul, who was a Jew, was indeed dispised by and suffered at the hands of his brother race, so much deprivation and hardships for the Lord, as he still does today from hate mongering people such as you.

 

[S-word]

I Paul who had received strict instructions to the law of his Jewish ancestors and was as dedicated to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, as any man could possibly be, just like yourself and the Jewish priests who had demanded the death of Jesus, hated the followers of Jesus with an almost insane hatred and had persecuted to death the people who followed the New Way.

Quoted by Ben: You are following the same antisemitic attitude of the disciples of Paul to accuse the Jews with the death of Jesus. Pope John 23rd asked publicly from the Jewish People to forgive Christianity for the antisemitic false accusation of 2,000 years ago and you still perpetuate it.
S-words answer: No mate, If you were to ask the pope of today, any Bishop, priest, or anyone at all who believes God’s Word, “who it was who demanded the death of Jesus,” they will tell you that it was the Hypocritical Jewish authorities. The pope may have apologized to the Jewish people for the anti-Semitic actions against the Jewish people over the two centuries since Christ, and especially for not playing a greater part in protecting them from Hitler, but never did he ask to be forgiven for believing God’s word, wherein it is recorded that it was the Jewish authorities who demanded the death of Jesus and used the Romans as their killing instrument. Again, you may disbelieve God’s Word, but please don’t lie and distort the truth in your quest to discredit the Word of God.

I It was while Paul was on the road to Damascus to arrest more Christians and bring them back to Jerusalem to be punished that he was confronted by Jesus in his brilliant body of incorruptible light which blinded the eyes of Paul who asked whose was the voice that was speaking to him and who heard the answer, “I am Jesus of Nazareth whom you persecute.” What a pity that you don’t study the Bible before posting here in this forum.

Quoted by Ben: You are so ignorant of NT History that even Logic you deny. Paul never in his life arrested a single Christian. He persecuted Nazarenes and not Christians.
S-words answer: Oh he did, did he? And which Nazarene Jews did he persecute? Those who remained true to the old way of strict obedience to the letter of the Law which can only bring death, those who adhered to the strict regulations of the Sabbath which Jesus did not, those who denied the resurrection and life after death, or was it only those Nazarene Jews who followed the new way as taught by Christ from who they would later take the name for the new religious movement?
It is you who are ignorant old mate, A Nazarene is a native of Nazareth, so what you are saying is that Saul only persecuted those natives of Nazareth who followed the New way. What utter rubbish.

Quoted by Ben: Christians started with him. Read Acts 11:26. But release the blinders first or you will not see the truth.
S-words answer: Ahh, so you do believe what is written in the book of Acts, in that case, you must believe also that Paul studied the religion of his Jewish ancestors at the feet of Gamaliel, but where does it say in Acts 11: 26; that Paul started the Christian church? What I read is that it was at Antioch were the people of the church, (Not the Old church that was established by Moses, but the new church that originated from Jesus) first began calling the disciples which included Paul, and Joseph the Levite from Cyprus, Christians. You’d better take them blinders off Ben old mate, you’re walking into walls everywhere here.

Quoted by Ben: Regarding what happened on the Road to Damascus, it was a strategic change of mind. He finally understood that the more he persecuted the Nazarenes, the more they would grow. So, he decided to join the Sect and fight it from within. And a good tactic was to lie to the Apostles by saying that he had met Jesus on the Road to Damascus.
S-words answer: Fair dinkum Ben? And you can of course provide some evidence to corroborate this statement, or is this just another of those fabricated lies that can be found nowhere else other than in the malfunctioning mind that is you?

Quoted by Ben: Nice try because the Apostles didn't believe him. They knew that he was either lying or crazy. That Jesus had not gone in the direction of Damascus.
S-words answer: There you go again Ben, twisting the word of God in your attempt to discredit the Lord. It is you who are crazy and lying if you believe that it is said anywhere in scripture that the apostles knew that Paul was either lying or crazy. Just as the disciples did not believe the women who claimed that Jesus had been resurrected until they saw him themselves, they were also wary of Paul until they realised his devotion to the Lord was unsurpassed by any of the others who were also chosen by our saviour God, to be an apostle of Christ Jesus our hope.

So bye, bye Ben, I cannot tolerate clowns and you have proven yourself to be nothing more than a Joke; perhaps we may meet up in another thread, but I will not be returning here to this thread, let someone else put up with your unsubstantiated dribble.

Quoted by Ben: "They" no, but "he." Joseph of Arimathea was the one to remove Jesus off the cross. And Jesus had not died but only passed out. Joseph succeeded to resuscitate him.
S-words answer: John 19: 39—40; It was Joseph and Nicodemus who took the bloodless body and wrapped it in linen cloths (Plural) and laid it in the tomb of Joseph which had never been used, where it remained sealed and guarded by Roman soldiers at the request of the hypocritical Jewish authorities untill early in the morning of the first day of the week.

 

[jtartar]

Body resurrection is the return to life of someone who has died. It's impossible for being against two kinds of laws: The first is natural laws. The second is Biblical laws.

God has established the natural laws, which have become the tools by which He governs the Universe. Any going against such laws, even by God Himself, would mean only weakness, for His having been unable to maintain order in the Universe.

Regarding Biblical laws, resurrection would only cause contradictions where Divine inspiration is claimed. Since God is not a God of confusion, resurrection must go and the Scriptures must be upheld.

The Scriptures are only too clear about dying and the impossibility to return. Some of the Biblical passages are: Job 7:9,10; 10:21; 14:12; II Samuel 12:23; Psalm 88:6; 146:4; Proverbs 2:19; Ezekiel 26:20. I am leaving Ecclesiastes out for being almost the whole book about the same issue: Against afterlife.

But then, what happened to Jesus that millions today believe he resurrected? He didn't. What happened to him was resuscitation. Resurrection was made up much later by Paul, about 30 years after Jesus had been gone. If we read what he said to Timothy in his second Epistle 2:8, he connected the resurrection of Jesus to his own gospel. It means that there was another gospel at the time, which would not mention such a claim. It could only be the gospel of Jesus' disciples, who at the first indication of resurrection by the women, had considered their report as an ildle tale and nonsense. (Luke 24:11)

Then, we have Luke in Acts 1:1-3, saying that when Jesus started appearing to his disciples, with many convincing evidences that he was alive in flesh and bone, Luke said, "after his passion or suffering," not after death or resurrection. Therefore, it does not mean at all that Jesus had died and resurrected. True that Luke contradicts himself later, but that's normal of the NT.

Ben

Ben Masada,
Since you refuse to obey the Hebrew Scriptures, it is very unlikely you will obey anything other than your own rantings, Deut 19:15.
Much of your writings are blasphemous, both to God, who inspired His Bible, and Christianity.
In the first place the Holy Scriptures NEVER contradict themselves. Only a total lack of understanding of scripture leads you to make such a statement.
Several times in the Hebrew Scriptures the resurrection is mentioned. Notice Job 14:13-15, which tells about Job waiting in the ground until God calls him back. Isa 20:19, tells about dead people coming back to life.
Because of death Abraham and the other faithful men of old did not receive the promises of God, Heb 11:13--16. Only through a resurrection could they receive the reward that God had promised them.
God loved many of the men of faith of olden times. Why would God let faithful men of old remain in the grave, when it is very easy for an Almighty God to resurrect them??? John 5:28,29, Acts 24:15.
The only timme the Bible speaks about the impossibility of people coming to life again is showing that men cannot, of themselves save themselves, and they will never wake up of their own accord. With God all things are possible, Job 42:2.
When Jesus returns to earth it will be to destroy all who do not believe in him and that do not obey Jesus, Rev 19:11-21.
All evidence indicates that we are very near the end of this system of things. What will happen to all people who are still waiting for their Messiah, and refused to recognize Jesus as the Messiah, even though he fulfilled scores of scriptures from the Hebrew Scriptures.
Did you know that mathematicians have concluded that it would be impossible for Jesus to have even fulfilled 10 peophecies, if he were not the Messiah. Jesus fulfilled scores of prophecies!!!

 

[Ben Masada]

I don’t much care what you believe old mate; nothing you have said so far has anything to do with that which is recorded in the Word of God,

Ben: Nevertheless, you cannot refute anything I say.

I Pauls Israelite Father must have been a devout follower of the church of Moses.

Ben: Oh yes, by teaching the Jews to abandon Moses, to stop circumcising their children and to renounce the Jewish customs. Read Acts 21:21. If this is to follow Moses, this Moses must have been that Orangutan of the movie "The Planet of the Apes."

you yourself have stated, that you believe that the books attributed to Moses were written some 800 years after Moses, by the scribe Ezra

Ben: At least, Ezra was a Jew who didn't write against Judaism. It makes no difference to me if Moses or Ezra wrote the Torah. Only not Gentiles.

I simply resource what is recorded in the Old Testament, and whether you believe God’s Word or not, is entirely up to you my friend.

Ben: Let me remind you that there is no such a thing as "Old Testament." Such a word is a misnomer to illustrate the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology, which has already been classified as a kind of Antisemitism.

they hated and persecuted all Jews who followed the New way,

Ben: The New Way was the Jewish Sect of the Nazarenes and they assembled in synagogues and not in churches. Read Acts 9:1,2. When Paul went for letters in Jerusalem to arrest those who followed the New Way, he headed to the Synagogues of Damascus. They were not Christians. You don't even know how to handle your NT. That's why you claim you can't find anything I say in the Scriptures.

S-words answer: Knowing that you believe that it was Luke and not Paul who wrote the book of Acts and that later in this post you reveal that you believe the words that are written in Acts, I will tell you what is recorded in God’s Word irrelevant to your demands that I am not to use the words of Paul whom you so vehemently hate. I will quote from God’s Holy Word irrelevant of who recorded what the spirit moved them to record. And now, rather than write here what you can read for yourself from the Word of God, if you will turn to the New Testament and look just a little beyond the length of your own nose you will see all the verses that reveal Pauls relationship to the town of Tarsus, which are recorded in Acts which were not written by Paul who you see as a low life liar: Acts 9: 11—9: 30 –- 11: 25 --- 21: 39 --- 22: 3. And Acts 22: 3; will also show to those, unlike you, who believe God’s word, that Paul studied in Jerusalem at the feet of Gamaliel. But if you choose to disbelieve God’s word and invent some way-out uncorroborated story from that distorted mind of yours, then that is your prerogative

Ben: To begin with, who decided that the NT is God's Word, you, Paul, who? You know very well that it was written from 75 to 100 CE. Jesus was never aware of such a "word of god." Then, you have given me Paul himself claiming that he had studied at the feet of Gamaliel. (Acts 22:3) I told you already that after the first lie, he had lost all credibility. I want someone else telling me that he had indeed studied at the feet of Gamaliel. I think it's much easier to confess
that you can't provide what I am asking.

Paul did not know the man Jesus before his body of corruptible matter was translated to an incorruptible body of brilliant Light, irrelevant to what you, who do not study the Bible believe, Paul did see Jesus of Nazareth.


Ben: That's what he said. And tell me, how did he explain that Jesus came out of the tomb with an incorruptible body of brilliant light, eating, drinking and defecating? That's something interesting to know.


S-words answer: It wouldn't matter what I qoute from anywhere in God's Word, it would not be believed by you, but I have proved that God’s word states that Paul saw the glorified spiritual body of Jesus of Nazareth as seen below, but now why do you attack Paul,


Ben: I have nothing against the dead. I attack his writings because they gave rise to an religious institution that has killed more of my People than any other antisemitic institution of before and afterwards.


Paul, who was a Jew, was indeed dispised by and suffered at the hands of his brother race, so much deprivation and hardships for the Lord, as he still does today from hate mongering people such as you.

Ben: What did you expect when you still perpetuate the antisemitic false accusation that we killed Jesus? Drop the charge and I'll leave you alone.

 

[Ben Masada]

Ben Masada,
Since you refuse to obey the Hebrew Scriptures, it is very unlikely you will obey anything other than your own rantings, Deut 19:15.

Ben: Deuteronomy has nothing to do with the issue at hand. You have started with the left foot, so to speak.

Much of your writings are blasphemous, both to God, who inspired His Bible, and Christianity.

Ben: The NT is not Bible for the Jew.

In the first place the Holy Scriptures NEVER contradict themselves. Only a total lack of understanding of scripture leads you to make such a statement.

Ben: Really! Okay, I'll give you a good bone to chew on. When Jesus was only 40 days old, Luke has him back in Nazareth according to Luke 2:39. In the meantime the Jesus of Matthew was still stuck in Egypt waiting for Herod to die. Are we dealing here with two Jesuses or two Solomons trying to cut one in two? I hope you will come out of this contradiction.

Several times in the Hebrew Scriptures the resurrection is mentioned. Notice Job 14:13-15, which tells about Job waiting in the ground until God calls him back.

Ben: Read again verse 14. It clearly states that when I man dies, he will never live again. And don't forget to read vers 12. Until the heavens are no more, the one who dies will never be roused out of his or her sleep. How could you quote against yourself? You guys are funny!

Isa 20:19, tells about dead people coming back to life.

Ben: Isaiah 20:19 does not exist. One more of these mistakes and you lose your credibility for lack of knowledge of the Scriptures.

When Jesus returns to earth it will be to destroy all who do not believe in him and that do not obey Jesus, Rev 19:11-21.

Ben: After 2,000 years of waiting, we can afford waiting another 2,000.

All evidence indicates that we are very near the end of this system of things. What will happen to all people who are still waiting for their Messiah, and refused to recognize Jesus as the Messiah, even though he fulfilled scores of scriptures from the Hebrew Scriptures.

Ben: Show me at least one which he fulfilled in a special manner, which could not be applied to another. I am all ears.

Did you know that mathematicians have concluded that it would be impossible for Jesus to have even fulfilled 10 peophecies, if he were not the Messiah. Jesus fulfilled scores of prophecies!!!

Ben: Never mind the Mathematicians with their 10 prophecies. I'll be satisfied with one, that Jesus fulfilled, and could not be applied to another Jew. Nu!