The Messiah

[cablescavenger]

I am just wondering what the different religions, or schisms think of the Messiah.
From a non religious person, I don't really know what the differences are between the religions. So it would be nice to throw the question out and see what comes back.

Here are my questions on the Messiah.

1. What religion are you?
2. Does the Messiah exist in your faith?
3. Who or what is the Messiah to you?
4. Has the Messiah visited earth, if so when?
5. If the Messiah has visited, will the Messiah return, if so when?
6. What is the purpose of the Messiah's visit, or visits?
7. What relation is the Messiah to your God?

 

[Twig pentagram]

What religion are you?

Knowledge of Self.

Does the Messiah exist in your faith?

I don't know. If any Messiah turns out to be real then it would exist in my faith.

Who or what is the Messiah to you?

Basically, the title of a figure from Jewish prophecy.

Has the Messiah visited earth, if so when?

I don't think so, and I don't know if it ever will.

If the Messiah has visited, will the Messiah return, if so when?

See above answer.

What is the purpose of the Messiah's visit, or visits?

You would have to ask someone who is more into messianic thinking.

What relation is the Messiah to your God?

The Messiah has to exist in order to have a relationship with Reality.

 

[Youtellme]

1. Jehovah's Witness
2. Yes
3. My personal redeemer
4. Yes, it was Jesus about 2000 years ago.
5. Yes he will, not sure of the exact date tho...Matthew 24:30 Luke 18:8
6. The Messiah is Jesus who paid the ransom sacrifice to clear the sin man inherited through Adam. Romans 5: 12-17
7. He is the Son of God, sent by his Father to pay the ransom and give us the chance of everlasting life again. 1*Corinthians 15:22 1*Corinthians 15:45; Romans 6:23.

 

[Levite]

What religion are you?

Jewish.

Does the Messiah exist in your faith?

Yes. We invented the concept.

Who or what is the Messiah to you?

There have been many people who were called mashiach Hashem ("anointed of God," the original term that got converted in translation to "messiah"). Originally, it simply meant "one who was anointed by God or in God's name for a specific purpose," usually either prophethood, priesthood, or kingship.

The term mashiach as such, in the Second Temple period (once there was no longer an anointed kingship, nor were there prophets any longer-- and especially once the Temple priesthood became corrupted) became more or less exclusively associated with the prophecy of an anointed prince to come in the future, who will restore the kingship of the House of David, restore the freedom of the Jewish People in their own Land of Israel, foster peace and mutual acceptance among the Jewish People, and restore commitment and clarity to the worship of God and the embracing of the covenant of Sinai.

Following the fall of the Second Temple and beginning of the Roman Exile, it was also said that when the mashiach comes, he will aid the ingathering of the exiles back to the Land of Israel, and begin the building of the Third Temple.

Has the Messiah visited earth, if so when?

The messiah has not yet come. He will not arrive until we are worthy of his rule and era. To do that, we must achieve peace and tolerance among the People Israel, and must aid all the nations in bringing about tikkun olam (the healing or repair of the world-- achieving world peace, an end to strife and poverty and oppression).

What is the purpose of the Messiah's visit, or visits?

First, to be a symbol of healing, peace, and faith. Second, to be a charismatic political leader to keep the Jewish People on the path of tikkun olam that they will have found by then. And third to be a judge of Jewish Law, functioning as the leader of the Sanhedrin (great council of rabbis) that will be reconstituted in those days to come.

What relation is the Messiah to your God?

He will be a faithful servant of God, and will help others to find inspiration and aid in spiritually drawing closer to God.

 

[not nom]

[*]What religion are you?

thinkism. we love to think, but we rarely listen.

(I just made that up but hey)

[*]Does the Messiah exist in your faith?
[*]Who or what is the Messiah to you?
[*]Has the Messiah visited earth, if so when?
[*]If the Messiah has visited, will the Messiah return, if so when?
[*]What is the purpose of the Messiah's visit, or visits?
[*]What relation is the Messiah to your God?

not sure about any of that. I'd rather think in terms of a golden age instead of blank cheque leader figures. I like how judaism seems to think about it, not really caring about the messiah's job as much as about theirs, about mitzvah. that's kinda like being little hands and feet of the messiah, yes? compared to that, the christian idea of telling people about the right thing to believe before it happens and it's too late, seems so much like a hoax and poison.

to me the messianic age would be god (goodness, love and truth -- if god is not that, I don't care about god, and would define his messiah as someone I would try to assassinate because that'd be the only proper deed left) being in or apparent to everybody, whatever that means *exactly*, instead of god being with one person very much and everybody following their orders. I have such a deep distrust towards that, I would have to see that person in person first, instead of just anthropomorphizing the good *I* see in others and have in me, and writing that blank cheque based on that. <-- that's the carrot that makes so much of religion work, people bring the fuel, the love, and burn it on random cruise ships that go nowhere, ffs.

so, while I hardly answered your questions I guess, that's sloshing around in my head in regards to that concept. also, the life of brian is a good movie, and not half as silly as many think.

 

[Draka]

1. What religion are you?
2. Does the Messiah exist in your faith?
3. Who or what is the Messiah to you?
4. Has the Messiah visited earth, if so when?
5. If the Messiah has visited, will the Messiah return, if so when?
6. What is the purpose of the Messiah's visit, or visits?
7. What relation is the Messiah to your God?

1. Wicca
2. No
3. A myth
4. would presume the actual physical existence of the myth
5. see 4
6. see 4
7. similar mythical archetype

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Here are my questions on the Messiah.

1. What religion are you?
2. Does the Messiah exist in your faith?
3. Who or what is the Messiah to you?
4. Has the Messiah visited earth, if so when?
5. If the Messiah has visited, will the Messiah return, if so when?
6. What is the purpose of the Messiah's visit, or visits?
7. What relation is the Messiah to your God?

In the Baha'i Faith, the Messiah, is a Promissed One. It is not only limitted to One Messiah. Every religion has a Messiah. Jewish, Christianity, Islam, Buddism, Hinduism, Baha'i Faith, and those future religions they ALL have a Promissed One, for ever and ever.
The Messiah, is the Manifestation of God. He has 3 stations. 1- He has a physical human body, which comes to existance in the womb just like other human beings and dies just like anyone else 2- A human's soul, which comes to existance at the moment of conception, just like any one else, but never dies. 3- the Holy Reality, which is the Reality of Attributes of God, and has no beginning nor and end. Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Baha'u'llah, etc, are all the Messiah, or the Manifestations of God.
Their soul purpose is to guide mankind to the right way. The Messiah, is a Perfect Mirror that reflect all the attributes of God fully. They reflect the Will of God for the people in Age they appear, as a guidance and favour of God to His creatures. The nature of the Messiah can never be fully understood. Good Luck!

 

[Bob Dixon]

What religion are you?
Does the Messiah exist in your faith?
Who or what is the Messiah to you?
Has the Messiah visited earth, if so when?
If the Messiah has visited, will the Messiah return, if so when?
What is the purpose of the Messiah's visit, or visits?
What relation is the Messiah to your God?

I'm Christian, non-dualistic.

Yes, the Messiah does exist in my faith.

To me, the Messiah is Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph and Mary. He provided a method of living a good life and of liberation.

Yes, he has visited Earth, approximately 2000 years ago.

He'll return eventually. When? Good question! What's the nature of the return? Good question!

The purpose of the visits is to guide us.

The Messiah is the greatest Prophet of God. He called himself the "Son" to illustrate the relationship he had with God, who he called "Father", though neither are literal.

 

[kerravon]

The messiah has not yet come. He will not arrive until we are worthy of his rule and era. To do that, we must achieve peace and tolerance among the People Israel, and must aid all the nations in bringing about tikkun olam (the healing or repair of the world-- achieving world peace, an end to strife and poverty and oppression).

And what technical barriers do you see in achieving tikkun olam? Can it be done in our lifetimes?

 

[Pegg]

I am just wondering what the different religions, or schisms think of the Messiah.
From a non religious person, I don't really know what the differences are between the religions. So it would be nice to throw the question out and see what comes back.

Here are my questions on the Messiah.

1. What religion are you?
2. Does the Messiah exist in your faith?
3. Who or what is the Messiah to you?
4. Has the Messiah visited earth, if so when?
5. If the Messiah has visited, will the Messiah return, if so when?
6. What is the purpose of the Messiah's visit, or visits?
7. What relation is the Messiah to your God?

1. jw
2. yes
3. the person chosen to redeem mankind from sin and death, to pay the price of Adams sin for all of Adams offspring.

4. born 2bce, died nisan 14 33ce.

5. yes (here now)

6. first time was to offer himself as a sacrifce to pay the price of death for every man woman and child. 2nd time was to inspect his christian church and choose a faithful slave class to oversee the preaching of the good news in all the inhabited earth. the next time will be to take action against all enemies of God.

7. the messiah is the firstborn of all creation. He is the first intelligent being God created...the first angel....and known to us as the 'son' of God.

 

[kerravon]

5. yes (here now)

Where are you claiming the Messiah is in the world today? And what standard are you using to judge the claim?

 

[Levite]

And what technical barriers do you see in achieving tikkun olam? Can it be done in our lifetimes?

Technical? Nothing, technically.

What seems to prevent tikkun olam for the most part is human evil, and human greed, selfishness, fear, and shortsightedness.

I personally think that we (as a species) are very slowly improving at taking note of these things and trying to control them. But at the rate we make progress (and that motion is truly glacial-- one pace forward and two paces backward, often enough) I highly doubt we shall see tikkun olam come to pass in our lifetimes, or in our children's, or even in our grandchildren's.

 

[Pegg]

Where are you claiming the Messiah is in the world today? And what standard are you using to judge the claim?

bible chronology gives us the timing of the year for Christs return. but the scriptures do indicate that his return would not be physical on earth, but it would be in heaven when his rulership in the kingdom of God would begin. see Daniel 7:13-14

 

[kerravon]

Technical? Nothing, technically.

What seems to prevent tikkun olam for the most part is human evil, and human greed, selfishness, fear, and shortsightedness.

I personally think that we (as a species) are very slowly improving at taking note of these things and trying to control them. But at the rate we make progress (and that motion is truly glacial-- one pace forward and two paces backward, often enough) I highly doubt we shall see tikkun olam come to pass in our lifetimes, or in our children's, or even in our grandchildren's.

If Taiwan and Denmark were the only two countries on earth, would you say that we have reached Tikkun Olam? Both are secular capitalist liberal democracies and the people don't appear to be evil. Those that are evil are jailed. What more do you want?

 

[Levite]

If Taiwan and Denmark were the only two countries on earth, would you say that we have reached Tikkun Olam? Both are secular capitalist liberal democracies and the people don't appear to be evil. Those that are evil are jailed. What more do you want?

It's something active, not passive-- not just what there is not, but what there is. Yes, I would want no wars. Yes, I would want no one to be poor. No one to be homeless. No one to be downtrodden in any way.

But I would want more than just tolerance. I would want people to respect one another, and take delight in one another-- including each other's differences-- as beings made in the image of God. And I would want to see spiritual development, a move by people to try every day to elevate themselves in holiness.

I would want to see the muting of materialism and aimless secularism and the rise of people-oriented values and dedication to positive religious practice or otherwise enriching philosophy and introspective discipline.

If everyplace on earth were more like Denmark in respect to social political philosophy, it might be a notable step in the right direction, but it wouldn't be tikkun olam.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

[*]What religion are you? Nihilist
[*]Does the Messiah exist in your faith? No
[*]Who or what is the Messiah to you? Nothing but particles
[*]Has the Messiah visited earth, if so when? No why would such a special creature come to earth, why in our specie's form?
[*]What relation is the Messiah to your God? They are pretty much one in the same lack-of-existent person...

 

[kerravon]

It's something active, not passive-- not just what there is not, but what there is. Yes, I would want no wars. Yes, I would want no one to be poor. No one to be homeless. No one to be downtrodden in any way.

Ok, so Denmark essentially covers that already.

But I would want more than just tolerance. I would want people to respect one another, and take delight in one another-- including each other's differences-- as beings made in the image of God. And I would want to see spiritual development, a move by people to try every day to elevate themselves in holiness.

Well now you're putting unrealistic and unachievable things on individuals. Most people lead very busy lives and do not wish to engage in spiritual development. It's an integral part of freedom that they be free to live their own lives playing computer games or whatever.

I would want to see the muting of materialism and aimless secularism and the rise of people-oriented values and dedication to positive religious practice or otherwise enriching philosophy and introspective discipline.

More things that I consider to be a violation of freedom. If you demand that every single human refrain from materialism before you can have tikkun olam, then I consider that to be an unachievable goal, and an undesirable goal too, so there's no place for a Messiah (your definition) on this earth.

If everyplace on earth were more like Denmark in respect to social political philosophy, it might be a notable step in the right direction, but it wouldn't be tikkun olam.

The sort of Messiah I would want to see is someone who is able to implement Denmark/Taiwan worldwide. I would be very satisfied with world freedom replacing the cruel dictatorships we currently see in the world. And beyond the dictatorships, the religious etc tolerance of the Danes/Taiwanese people themselves. If we can have that, I don't care if your Messiah never shows up, as he is demanding a world without the freedom to simply mind your own business and play computer games all day (when not at work).

 

[Levite]

Ok, so Denmark essentially covers that already.

That might be a bit optimistic, but close enough.

Well now you're putting unrealistic and unachievable things on individuals. Most people lead very busy lives and do not wish to engage in spiritual development. It's an integral part of freedom that they be free to live their own lives playing computer games or whatever.

I am not suggesting compulsion. I am suggesting spiritual enlightenment. A hope for a world where people will wish to engage in spiritual development, and will prioritize and value it, of their own free will.

More things that I consider to be a violation of freedom. If you demand that every single human refrain from materialism before you can have tikkun olam, then I consider that to be an unachievable goal, and an undesirable goal too, so there's no place for a Messiah (your definition) on this earth.

Again, not talking about compulsion, but an enlightened ideal, that people will voluntarily and of their own persuasion deprioritze materialism and prioritize human relations, spirituality, and suchlike in its stead. And by "people," I don't necessarily mean each and every individual on earth, but the overwhelming majority of people, generally.

I don't think that this is an unachievable goal, although I grant you it is unlikely to occur anytime in the foreseeable future.

... If we can have that, I don't care if your Messiah never shows up, as he is demanding a world without the freedom to simply mind your own business and play computer games all day (when not at work).

Well, while I might question the overall value of spending all day every day playing computer games, it is a moot point since, (a) the messiah is likely not going to come in our lifetimes, or those of our children or grandchildren, and (b) nobody is demanding that you be Jewish messianist.

 

[Ahsanraza]

1. What religion are you?

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ahmadi muslim. we believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the Messiah for all World. the concept of Messiah helds important posision in Islam, christanity, judaism etc. main pupose of messiah is restoration of true religon and build the spirtual relitonship between God and man. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was born in Qadian, India 1835-1908. He claimed to be the metaphorical second coming of Jesus(as) of Nazareth and the divine guide, whose advent was foretold by the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad(sa). Ahmadiyya Muslim Community believes that God sent Ahmad(as), like Jesus(as), to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice and peace. Ahmad’s(as) advent has brought about an unprecedented era of Islamic revival. He divested Islam of fanatical beliefs and practices by vigorously championing Islam’s true and essential teachings. He also recognized the noble teachings of the great religious founders and saints, including Zoroaster(as), Abraham(as), Moses(as), Jesus(as), Krishna(as), Buddha(as), Confucius(as), Lao Tzu and Guru Nanak, and explained how such teachings converged into the one true Islam.

 

[Ahsanraza]

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the only Islamic organization to believe that the long-awaited Messiah has come in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) (1835-1908) of Qadian. Ahmad(as) claimed to be the metaphorical second coming of Jesus(as) of Nazareth and the divine guide, whose advent was foretold by the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad(sa). Ahmadiyya Muslim Community believes that God sent Ahmad(as), like Jesus(as), to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice and peace. Ahmad’s(as) advent has brought about an unprecedented era of Islamic revival. He divested Islam of fanatical beliefs and practices by vigorously championing Islam’s true and essential teachings. He also recognized the noble teachings of the great religious founders and saints, including Zoroaster(as), Abraham(as), Moses(as), Jesus(as), Krishna(as), Buddha(as), Confucius(as), Lao Tzu and Guru Nanak, and explained how such teachings converged into the one true Islam.