The Miracle of Water.

[Unveiled Artist]

There is no substance on earth as vital for life as water is.....can it be just a fluke of nature?...or is it evidence of purposeful design?

Please watch the video and see what logical conclusion you come to.....

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Its a beautiful video. Thats how I came to appreciate and give my thanks and prayer to the sun and earth. Im just really getting more pesonal relationship with water and earth given my loved ones passing. At least I know they didnt just disapear. We transform just as every part of live. Building. Growing. Dempossing. My aunt used to sit next to the window and watch the rain fall since she knew she would die any minute. I talk to her when it rains.

Ive always been a nature brat; so. Here is a one hour video on the Origin of Life.

I assume each of us draw our own conclusions on the wonders of life. Good video.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The universe is not subject to evolution, so did these wonders just pop into existence by undirected chance? Look what's out there.....! It's mind blowing. All accidental?

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Just a reminder that childish sniping is not an adequate response....it's a pathetic cover up for inadequate lines of evidence and an excuse for having no credible answers......IMO the awesome power behind creation requires something beyond human comprehension....and beyond empty rhetoric.

Let me ask. What is wrong with being accidental?

Why call it accidental?

Life is always at random. Here is a short explanation of a seizure. What is a seizure? Seizures arent planned events. They are painful. They are stressful. And for me life threatening. and they are random. or accidential, if you like.

Best way we can understand life without always needing a purpose to it is appreciate its randomness and be grateful that you are still on the pool table with the rest of the pballs.

What is wrong with accidental? I learned a lot from accidents that I wouldnt have learned if everything was in a system to be this way or that without change or fluxuation.

 

[Polymath257]

What other properties would you expect a compound with two hydrogen atoms and a single oxygen atom to have?

Now, you can claim that having hydrogen and oxygen are miracles. But once you have those, water is automatic and will have the properties you want.

On the other hand, oxygen is formed inside of stars through fusion reactions, ultimately from hydrogen. So, once you have hydrogen and stars, you will eventually have oxygen and ultimately water.

So the real miracle is hydrogen: a single proton and a single electron. All the rest follows from the laws of physics. Well, I guess you can call those miracles also.

And, of course, hydrogen will form once you have the quarks and the electrons. That is direct. So, really, the miracle is that there are fundamental particles that obey natural laws. After that, you get the rest, including life.

 

[metis]

If God directly created everything, then why miscarriages, serious birth defects, storms and tsunamis that kill hundreds to thousands of people, etc.? Is God a genocidal maniac?

Instead, I propose that there is God but that God left His creation incomplete so as to make it ours to improve upon whereas we hopefully leave this Earth at least a bit better than how it was when we came into it. It also has us as imperfect people because of the results of our free will whereas we will sometimes make some bad choices, thus we can improve by following what He taught and by following our own informed conscience.

Either/or scenarios rarely hit the target, so I tend to think that this mixture is more likely to hit the mark, thus mixing God's creation with also chance and imperfection.

 

[BilliardsBall]

There is no substance on earth as vital for life as water is.....can it be just a fluke of nature?...or is it evidence of purposeful design?

Please watch the video and see what logical conclusion you come to.....

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Water is wondrous, scoffers declaring foolish things "forgetting that God separated the land and water" long ago.

 

[ChristineM]

The universe is not subject to evolution, so did these wonders just pop into existence by undirected chance? Look what's out there.....! It's mind blowing. All accidental?

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Just a reminder that childish sniping is not an adequate response....it's a pathetic cover up for inadequate lines of evidence and an excuse for having no credible answers......IMO the awesome power behind creation requires something beyond human comprehension....and beyond empty rhetoric.

The universe is subject to entropy, which in turn causes evolution of the universe and provided the parameters which allow life to develop for a fleetingly short period in the evolution of the universe.

Just a reminder, making bold statements of science based on the deliberate misunderstanding by religious dreams is a pathetic waste of time.

Btw, water is made of hydrogen and oxygen. Hydrogen was the first element to evolve in the universe, from hydrogen stars evolved, the first oxygen was born by the death of the first stars.

 

[ChristineM]

Indeed, but without water there would be no plants and hence no flow on effect vital to life. Where does oxygen and CO2 come from?

The properties of water are unique.

All types of molecule are unique.

 

[ChristineM]

According to my understanding oxygen and carbon are formed by fusion in the stars.

Close, the death of stars,

 

[Faithofchristian]

There is no substance on earth as vital for life as water is.....can it be just a fluke of nature?...or is it evidence of purposeful design?

Please watch the video and see what logical conclusion you come to.....

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You know there are 3 things, that are not mention in the creation week in Genesis Chapter 1,
Where is it mention that God created the water or air or that God created the earth. There's nothing, Why is that?

Could it be, because the water was already there, for the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.Genesis 1:2.
So the water was there already, No need to create something that's already there. Right.
As was the atmosphere, which was already there also, No need to create the Atmosphere, seeing it was already there also.
As was the earth was already there covered over with water.
No need to create the earth, seeing it was already there covered over with water.
Genesis 1:2.

 

[ChristineM]

And all of those things that make life possible did not just come together by accident. How could you make a list of all the things that make life possible and come to the conclusion that it was all coincidental? How many flukes would it take, do you think?

Correct, they came together through the evolution of the universe. It is fully understood how the universe has evolved.

 

[Polymath257]

Close, the death of stars,

Actually, carbon and oxygen are made from fusion inside of stars. It is the elements past iron that are made in supernova and other large energy flows. For smaller stars, there is the hydrogen cycle for fusion reactions and for larger stars, there is the carbon cycle. In the carbon cycle, oxygen is one of the stages.

Now, these elements get *distributed* to the rest of the universe through stellar winds and supernova.

 

[ChristineM]

Actually, carbon and oxygen are made from fusion inside of stars. It is the elements past iron that are made in supernova and other large energy flows. For smaller stars, there is the hydrogen cycle for fusion reactions and for larger stars, there is the carbon cycle. In the carbon cycle, oxygen is one of the stages.

Now, these elements get *distributed* to the rest of the universe through stellar winds and supernova.

My bad, thanks

 

[ChristineM]

According to my understanding oxygen and carbon are formed by fusion in the stars.

Sorry, you are correct, my mistake in post 28.

 

[nPeace]

So @Deeje, some people give the credit stardust. So maybe you might have to tackle stardust. Whichever way, it's all circular to me.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Indeed, but without water there would be no plants and hence no flow on effect vital to life. Where does oxygen and CO2 come from?

The properties of water are unique.

No it's not unique. It's everything to do with molecular bonding of atoms.

Hydrogen and oxygen can bond with other atoms creating many "unique" molecules.

Maybe your thinking of properties that make water what it is.

 

[ChristineM]

Actually, carbon and oxygen are made from fusion inside of stars. It is the elements past iron that are made in supernova and other large energy flows. For smaller stars, there is the hydrogen cycle for fusion reactions and for larger stars, there is the carbon cycle. In the carbon cycle, oxygen is one of the stages.

Now, these elements get *distributed* to the rest of the universe through stellar winds and supernova.

I just checked up on that. A sun only burns hot enough to fuse helium during it normal life. When the hydrogen begins to run out the star begins to collapse. Fusion is still occuring but within a smaller more compressed volume first creating carbon and oxygen. Continued collapse creates heavier elements, once the star begins to produce iron fusion stops.

Massive stars will continue to collapse and go nove, creating heaver elements. Looks like we are both righ.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Now, believing that God would design a system as wonderfully adaptive as evolution makes theological sense to me. And we know life changes and adapts (like the water in our analogy) but believing God super fine tuned the environment to "fit" us perfectly (i.e. made every crevice, crack, rise, dip, rock and stump of the lake bed to microscopic tolerances) doesn't make sense. I believe God is a landscaper, not a diorama modeler.

Even if a god exists, it didn't "design" evolution. By definition, evolution is an inevitable process that results from natural selection working on random mutations that occur in a genetically diverse population. It is not a process that needs design because it is a process that automatically occurs.

 

[Polymath257]

I just checked up on that. A sun only burns hot enough to fuse helium during it normal life. When the hydrogen begins to run out the star begins to collapse. Fusion is still occuring but within a smaller more compressed volume first creating carbon and oxygen. Continued collapse creates heavier elements, once the star begins to produce iron fusion stops.

Massive stars will continue to collapse and go nove, creating heaver elements. Looks like we are both righ.

The stage for larger stars where they do 'carbon burning' can be quite long, though. Most red giants are in this stage, for example. The elements past iron require the extra energy from a supernova or some such in order to form, though. The reason? Iron has the largest binding energy per nucleon.

 

[Windwalker]

Water is wondrous, scoffers declaring foolish things "forgetting that God separated the land and water" long ago.

We're not scoffers at God. We're scoffers at Creationism, which is a pseudoscience created by under-educated men afraid of knowledge which challenges their beliefs which they are unwilling to change. Nothing more than that.

 

[sealchan]

And all of those things that make life possible did not just come together by accident. How could you make a list of all the things that make life possible and come to the conclusion that it was all coincidental? How many flukes would it take, do you think?

You make a great big assumption that water is a key ingredient for life...in any Universe. Maybe it is in this one...but it also happens to be common. So for water to be a significant component of something complex and fragile like life is, in that view, predictable. Using common substances as the atoms and molecules of organic compounds is statistically likely.