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The most civilized people of Ancient History

What was the most civilized and elightened people of Ancient History

  • Greeks

    Votes: 7 23.3%
  • Romans

    Votes: 2 6.7%
  • Jews

    Votes: 6 20.0%
  • Others (Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Persians)

    Votes: 15 50.0%

  • Total voters
    30

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Well, before voting, do read the explanation.
By Ancient History I mean the period between 3500 BC (birth of Ur, first city) and 476 AD, fall of the Western Roman Empire.

You cannot choose uncivilized people like Germanic populations or Celts.
So, in the option "Others" you can put Egyptians, Phoenicians, Mesopotamian civilizations, Persians and that's it.
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I can't do but say: Greeks, Greeks, Greeks.
The most intelligent, the most enlightened, the most refined people of history
 
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Amechania

Daimona of the Helpless
Well, before voting, do read the explanation.
By Ancient History I mean the period between 3500 BC (birth of Ur, first city) and 476 BC, fall of the Western Roman Empire.

You cannot choose uncivilized people like Germanic populations or Celts.
So, in the option "Others" you can put Egyptians, Phoenicians, Mesopotamian civilizations, Persians and that's it.

I'm glad you omitted those barbaric Chinese and the equally feral "civilizations" of ancient India. I understand they ate raw vegetables and lived in stinking marble halls.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Well, before voting, do read the explanation.
By Ancient History I mean the period between 3500 BC (birth of Ur, first city) and 476 BC, fall of the Western Roman Empire.

You cannot choose uncivilized people like Germanic populations or Celts.
So, in the option "Others" you can put Egyptians, Phoenicians, Mesopotamian civilizations, Persians and that's it.

What? The Norse were one of the most civilized and opened minded of people. Some of the world's oldest legislative bodies are Germanic.
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
I'm always tickled by your threads and "...from the mouths of babes" type of posts. The history of classical western flavor is very narrow and contrived.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
You might want to start with a clear definition of "civilized," then move on to a broader and deeper view of history.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
You left out India and China...probably the most civilized of them all

This.

Successful cataract surgery was being performed in the centuries BCE in India.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
This.

Successful cataract surgery was being performed in the centuries BCE in India.

all right...but we are focusing on the Mediterranean area history.
I don't doubt that both China and India developed a high degree of civilization.
surely much higher than Greeks'

But I don't know how Indians and Chinese subdivide history.
I don't think that they subdivide history as we Westerners do....that is

ancient history 3500 BC-476 AD
middle ages 476-1492
modern age 1492-1789
present age 1789- now

so....we should make a new poll talking about Asian civilizations
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
You might want to start with a clear definition of "civilized," then move on to a broader and deeper view of history.

The Japanese are way and above the most civilized people of the ancient world because -- when executing a man -- they always sought to cut his head off while leaving enough neck skin still uncut so that his head would not obscenely role away from his body. Such a fine sense of aesthetics could only be the product of a superior and advanced civilization.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
The Japanese are way and above the most civilized people of the ancient world because -- when executing a man -- they always sought to cut his head off while leaving enough neck skin still uncut so that his head would not obscenely role away from his body. Such a fine sense of aesthetics could only be the product of a superior and advanced civilization.

If that's not civilized, I don't know what is. Then again, I think people should have the right to defend themselves against rockets being indiscriminately shot at them, so what do I know?
 

GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
I'm glad you omitted those barbaric Chinese and the equally feral "civilizations" of ancient India. I understand they ate raw vegetables and lived in stinking marble halls.
The phrase "Ancient World" refers to the Mediterranean basin and the Near East because those civilisations were in contact with and influenced each other. They only came into contact with India from about 500BC, and even then it was always rather tenuous. China was just a name to them.

Saying the Greeks were the most civilised in the Ancient World no more insults the Chinese than saying the Canadians are the most civilised in the modern Americas insults Europe.
 

Ryujin

Dragon Worshipper
I'd really have to say the Nabateans, with Egypt as a close second. In Egypt men and women were equal(for the most part), writing played a huge part in their daily lives and their religions system was so advanced and complex that, arguably, the first clearly defined, non natural(in the since that the religion was changed consciously and not by simply changing over time as people spread out) religious schism occurred within it when Akhenaten promoted monotheism to the sun god.

But, I'd still have to hold them second to the Nabateans. Each of Egypt's capital cities was conquered innumerable times by countless peoples. Petra, the capital of the Nabateans, on the other hand was never conquered due to the way the ancient Arabs built the city in seamless harmony with the land around it. It was enclosed and protected so well by the landscape that, even in modern times, it took a long time to find. They would, of course surrender to the Romans, since they couldn't hope to fight their massive army, but when they did it was on their terms.

Also, the Greeks are jerks. The story of the Odyssey changed Greek culture for the worst and made them think less of women as a culture, which wouldn't have been so bad if their culture hadn't been the most influential one on the western world, which led to the sexism against women being upheld(in far smaller part) to this day. I personally feel that the world would be better off had the Persians completely won their wars against Greece and annexed it. I they had, Macedon wouldn't have been independent for Alexander to rise and the Achaemenid empire(which IRL lasted an extraordinarily long time) might've lasted for hundreds of years more! Then we might be having this conversation about Persia and Carthage, rather than Rome and Greece.
 
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