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The Musk Melt-down

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
He basically, from what I hear, fired the people who initiated censorship on Twitter in the first place. Good riddance to those losers if it's true.
You have been hearing from very unreliable sources, then.

Your time deserves better.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
The reality of human nature and its inherent irrationality often alienates many when they realize that unrestricted "free speech" is far from ideal for our species.
I support free speech, but a company shouldn't be obligated to provide a soapbox for bigotry and disinformation. These people shouting "free speech" would kick someone out of their church or business if someone entered and started screening obscenities at others.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Of course you socialists do.
All that economic liberty, competition, & free
association is so much less efficient than
N Korea, Cuba, & your old favorite, the USSR.

I have seen multiple socialists here (myself included) elaborate on why we don't support the political models employed in any of the above countries, so why do you keep bringing them up as if they were germane to our position?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
It does boggle the mind. It's just servers and administrators in a building. It would be costly but billions? It has to be the established goodwill more than its infrastructure.
I guess it's obvious it was a price set up to dissuade him (EM) from buying the company.
Totally untied from its real market value.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Dunno. Maybe, maybe not.

I'd do it for fun first and foremost, with money always being a secondary thing if any.

I feel creativity and the art is more important than money.
Go for it. My point was that Musk is looking to snipe content creators that will generate traffic.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
- Charging for user verification, but without any
user verification.
Didn't he do the exact opposite, because basically anyone could get a verified account simply paying 8 bucks a month, and he didn't like that?

Musk made the announcement yesterday in a tweet, citing too many "corrupt legacy Blue 'verification' checkmarks" as the reason for removing them. Until yesterday, Twitter's blue checkmarks could be purchased for $7.99/month, leading users to set up fake accounts impersonating brands and people.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I have seen multiple socialists here (myself included) elaborate on why we don't support the political models employed in any of the above countries, so why do you keep bringing them up as if they were germane to our position?
Because when one calls oneself a "socialist",
as opposed to "democratic socialist" or other
such system that is capitalist with social welfare
programs, one advocates a command economy.
This historically always results in authoritarianism,
oppression, & economic woe.

Odd isn't it....in a thread about Musk's meltdown,
the socialists show up to change the subject to
criticism of capitalism. But in this case, I find
capitalism to work well, ie, Musk makes Twitter
offensive, so advertisers flee. I approve of this
market response to Twitter's poor product.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Of course you would.

Still, my point that socialists leave things better than when they found them still stands. Capitalists tend to ruin things that they touch. They ruined rock-and-roll, they ruined Disney, Star Trek, Star Wars. And now they're ruining Twitter. It's just what they do.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Because when one calls oneself a "socialist",
as opposed to "democratic socialist" or other
such system that is capitalist with social welfare
programs, one advocates a command economy.
This historically always results in authoritarianism,
oppression, & economic woe.

Recognizing that socialism, just like capitalism, comes in many variants resolves this supposed contradiction.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Well there's no doubt it's a biased platform. I think there should always be two sides to a coin with equal access proper.
Not automatically. There is bias, and then there is shameless manipulation and lying.

Pastiche venues such as Fox News, Info Wars and much of the British media are decisively in the second category. We all ought to accept that and act accordingly.

Mainly because if we do not we end up literally rewarding people for lying to us and making our perceptions twisted and ill informed.

To put it another way: just because there are "two sources" it definitely does not follow that they deserve comparable levels of trust and attention. Particularly in what is currently understood to be "conservative media".

Frankly, that is little more than a virtual cesspool at this point in time. Hardly worth the time of learning their names.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well that remains to be seen. There's always turmoil with change and shakeups.

See how it does down the road.
One can't just dismiss this as just normal
glitches due to a transition. Musk has
personally mis-handled it in obvious ways,
eg, requiring payment for verified status,
but without actually verifying anyone's status.
And allowing offensive speech that's guaranteed
to scatter the advertisers, who are his source
of income.
 
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