The Mysterious Alien Tablet

[tas8831]

".Hi, I'm one of the authors of the papers being discussed here (thanks for pointing out this discussion, Simone). - Maxim Makukov

Maxim Makukov

Total publications - 16
Total citations - 57
Citations for the paper in question - 19.

Education - Masters of Physics

From his website:
"I like to deal with fundamental questions in science. My major interest is cosmology, specifically, the structure of spacetime, the nature of dark matter and dark energy, and their effect on the evolution of cosmic structures and on the fate of the universe as a whole. I also have strong and long-standing interest in theoretical biology, astrobiology and SETI."

The 'wow' paper has 19 or 20 citations (google scholar has a disclaimer on it), 2 of which were Makukov himself, at least 1 other was one of his collaborators, etc.

I find that a paper with only 19 or 20 citations, despite having a provocative article about it in "New Scientist" the year it came out, indicates that very very few find the article scientifically compelling.

My least cited paper has 61 citations, and I am a nobody that hasn't published in over a decade.

Despite the rancor directed at him, PZ Myers actually has a pretty good demolition of it. I also read that the paper was originally sent to at least one biology-related journal and was rejected.

Color me unimpressed.

 

[Salvador]

Maxim Makukov

Total publications - 16
Total citations - 57
Citations for the paper in question - 19.

Education - Masters of Physics

From his website:
"I like to deal with fundamental questions in science. My major interest is cosmology, specifically, the structure of spacetime, the nature of dark matter and dark energy, and their effect on the evolution of cosmic structures and on the fate of the universe as a whole. I also have strong and long-standing interest in theoretical biology, astrobiology and SETI."

The 'wow' paper has 19 or 20 citations (google scholar has a disclaimer on it), 2 of which were Makukov himself, at least 1 other was one of his collaborators, etc.

I find that a paper with only 19 or 20 citations, despite having a provocative article about it in "New Scientist" the year it came out, indicates that very very few find the article scientifically compelling.

My least cited paper has 61 citations, and I am a nobody that hasn't published in over a decade.

Despite the rancor directed at him, PZ Myers actually has a pretty good demolition of it. I also read that the paper was originally sent to at least one biology-related journal and was rejected.

Color me unimpressed.

I'm not sure how anybody could not be intrigued by Maxim Makukov, research in astrobiology and astrophysics and a co-author of the papers which claim to have identified extraterrestrial signal in the universal genetic code thereby confirming directed panspermia


If Makukov's research paper "Wow signal! of the terrestrial genetic code" is totally without merit, then I'm curios to know how this was published in the prestigious peer-reviewed Icarus (journal) " It is published under the auspices of the American Astronomical Society 's Division for Planetary Sciences (DPS). The journal contains articles discussing the results of new research on astronomy, geology, meteorology, physics, chemistry, biology, and other scientific aspects of the Solar System or extrasolar systems ."

Icarus

Makukov's and sCherbak's research paper "SETI in vivo: testing the we-are-them hypothesis" sufficiently addresses the outspoken criticism that PZ Myers or other biologists have had with regards to the claim of Makukov and sCherbak having found an intelligently designed extraterrestrial signal in the universal genetic code.

 

[tas8831]

I'm not sure how anybody could not be intrigued by Maxim Makukov, research in astrobiology and astrophysics and a co-author of the papers which claim to have identified extraterrestrial signal in the universal genetic code thereby confirming directed panspermia

Awe is not a valid reason.
Did you not read what I wrote? 19 citations in 6 years for a paper that was written about in New Scientist? That is pathetic.

If Makukov's research paper "Wow signal! of the terrestrial genetic code" is totally without merit, then I'm curios to know how this was published in the prestigious peer-reviewed Icarus (journal) " It is published under the auspices of the American Astronomical Society 's Division for Planetary Sciences (DPS). The journal contains articles discussing the results of new research on astronomy, geology, meteorology, physics, chemistry, biology, and other scientific aspects of the Solar System or extrasolar systems ."

"Prestigious." It has an impact factor of 3. What makes it prestigious. exactly?

You seem to know, please explain.

Icarus

Makukov's and sCherbak's research paper "SETI in vivo: testing the we-are-them hypothesis" sufficiently addresses the outspoken criticism that PZ Myers or other biologists have had with regards to the claim of Makukov and sCherbak having found an intelligently designed extraterrestrial signal in the universal genetic code.

Cool opinion.

Are you a biologist or a physicist?

You must be one or the other - what makes you think this is the case?

Besides you wanting it to be so?

By the way - that one has ZERO citations, such is its 'amazingness.'

 

[Salvador]

Awe is not a valid reason.
Did you not read what I wrote? 19 citations in 6 years for a paper that was written about in New Scientist? That is pathetic.

"Prestigious." It has an impact factor of 3. What makes it prestigious. exactly?

You seem to know, please explain.

Cool opinion.

Are you a biologist or a physicist?

You must be one or the other - what makes you think this is the case?

Besides you wanting it to be so?

By the way - that one has ZERO citations, such is its 'amazingness.'

Icarus has the prestige of being founded in part by renowned astro-biologist/astro-physicist scientist Carl Sagan. I'm an amateur astronomer and novice ufologist. I do have a good understanding of algebra and Medelian genetics, but lack a comprehensive understanding of some genetic science. That's why I put some trust in what astro-biologist reseachers like sCherbak and Makuvov claim. ...

 

[tas8831]

Icarus has the prestige of being founded in part by renowned astro-biologist/astro-physicist scientist Carl Sagan.

Impact factor = 3.
Nature impact factor = 41

I'm an amateur astronomer and novice ufologist. I do have a good understanding of algebra and Medelian genetics, but lack a comprehensive understanding of some genetic science. That's why I put some trust in what astro-biologist reseachers like sCherbak and Makuvov claim. ...

Non sequitur.

Makukov has 2 papers that could be considered 'astobiology.'

shCherbak - 14 publications since 2003; 191 total citations

Do you understand the relevance of citation in science?

Virtually nobody IN the fields of science within which these claims are supposedly relevant find them to be so..

Why is it that so many anti-science types embellish the relevance and importance and prestige of whatever it is or they are that they are so enamored with?

 

[Salvador]

Impact factor = 3.
Nature impact factor = 41

Non sequitur.

Makukov has 2 papers that could be considered 'astobiology.'

shCherbak - 14 publications since 2003; 191 total citations

Do you understand the relevance of citation in science?

Virtually nobody IN the fields of science within which these claims are supposedly relevant find them to be so..

Why is it that so many anti-science types embellish the relevance and importance and prestige of whatever it is or they are that they are so enamored with?

I like math and science, I'm hardly anti-science.

 

[tas8831]

I like math and science, I'm hardly anti-science.

And yet you post like someone who is.

Do you understand the relevance of citation in science?

Do you understand why calling Icarus "prestigious" is nothing but embellishment to make the fluff one sometimes finds in it seem more credible?

That is what anti-vaccine kooks do with Andrew Wakefield.
That is what creationists do with diploma mill maggots like Kent Hovind.

 

[tas8831]

A gander at who cited shCherbak's papers and we see the standard circle of self-citation....

But we also see this guy who thinks the special number is 192! OOOH - and 7 citations in the prestigious journal 'Quantitative Biology' (impact factor 7!).


Battling numerologists!

 

[shunyadragon]

You did as expected. You just won't deal with the real issue. Which is your right but doesn't make you right by avoiding the issue.

See were it to happen like that you'd love it to prove alien Intellegent life from outer space. Yet that same proof when it's right here you prove the hypocrisy of proof for you & it's not really about science or proof. It's atheistic worldview. Which again is your right. But again doesn't make you right when the evidence of ID is right here now in so many ways & forms. But you have the right to choose what you ignore despite what it can or will cost ultimately. See belief in & of itself never has determined real truth because bias interferes too much. The reality of truth & it's results don't change regardless of belief.

A person can ignore truth & evidence saying he can't fly. Yet they can believe with all their being they can fly. So when they put all their faith in that belief they suffer the consequences when their belief was false regardless of how strongly they held that belief..

Same with ID. It's true & evidences proves it despite how much it's ignored with many total commitment against it. That won't change the consequences of ignoring it.

I'm truly sad for your sake. But I've done my part to inform & that's the best I can do.

I could stand on a road informing people the bridge is out. If people heed the warning their life is saved from going over & down a mountain the bridge. covered. If ignored & fully believed I was wrong & continued on. Consequences are theirs not mine since I did best I could.

So be it.

The tablet is not real. It is home built recently.

 

[Salvador]

And yet you post like someone who is.

Do you understand the relevance of citation in science?

Do you understand why calling Icarus "prestigious" is nothing but embellishment to make the fluff one sometimes finds in it seem more credible?

That is what anti-vaccine kooks do with Andrew Wakefield.
That is what creationists do with diploma mill maggots like Kent Hovind.

I realize some creationists do twist around any supporting evidence of direct panspermia in favor of supporting the God hypothesis. I suppose confirmation bias is an intriguing part of human nature.

 

[Salvador]

A gander at who cited shCherbak's papers and we see the standard circle of self-citation....

But we also see this guy who thinks the special number is 192! OOOH - and 7 citations in the prestigious journal 'Quantitative Biology' (impact factor 7!).


Battling numerologists!

The significance of the semantic message "037" embedded in our genetic coding is well-explained in the following journal articles: .

Biosystems Volume 70, Issue 3, August 2003, Pages 187-209 "Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code" Author: Vladimir I. shCherbak
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4703000662

NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing
https://www.researchgate.net/public...m_037_as_a_Base_of_Biological_CodingComputing

"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing. Introduction 1 All living organisms are fundamentally based on information, which holds a central role in their communication and control, and therefore in their structural and dynamical organization. Such contemporary comprehension of living organisms as information systems is the result of a long-lasting history during which the biological field theory has been developed (Gurwitsch, 1912, 1923; Glauber, 1963; Waddington, 1966; Fröhlich, 1968; Presman, 1970; Popp, 1989, 1992). This approach places the biological coding/computing at the very heart of the biological organization, as well as its origin and evolution, since the organic codes (biological codes, biocodes) can be considered as the basic mechanism of macroevolution (Barbieri, 1998; 2008)." - Natasa Misic

 

[Salvador]

The significance of the semantic message "037" embedded in our genetic coding is well-explained in the following journal articles: .

Biosystems Volume 70, Issue 3, August 2003, Pages 187-209 "Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code" Author: Vladimir I. shCherbak
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4703000662

NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing
https://www.researchgate.net/public...m_037_as_a_Base_of_Biological_CodingComputing


"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing. Introduction 1 All living organisms are fundamentally based on information, which holds a central role in their communication and control, and therefore in their structural and dynamical organization. Such contemporary comprehension of living organisms as information systems is the result of a long-lasting history during which the biological field theory has been developed (Gurwitsch, 1912, 1923; Glauber, 1963; Waddington, 1966; Fröhlich, 1968; Presman, 1970; Popp, 1989, 1992). This approach places the biological coding/computing at the very heart of the biological organization, as well as its origin and evolution, since the organic codes (biological codes, biocodes) can be considered as the basic mechanism of macroevolution (Barbieri, 1998; 2008)." - Natasa Misic

Makukov and sCherbak make a compelling case that mathematical patterns involving multiples of 37 appear in our genetic coding as a result of something other than natural selection.

" It has been repeatedly proposed to expand the scope for SETI, and one of the suggested alternatives to radio is the biological media. Genomic DNA is already used on Earth to store non-biological information. Though smaller in capacity, but stronger in noise immunity is the genetic code. The code is a flexible mapping between codons and amino acids, and this flexibility allows modifying the code artificially. But once fixed, the code might stay unchanged over cosmological timescales; in fact, it is the most durable construct known. Therefore it represents an exceptionally reliable storage for an intelligent signature, if that conforms to biological and thermodynamic requirements. As the actual scenario for the origin of terrestrial life is far from being settled, the proposal that it might have been seeded intentionally cannot be ruled out. A statistically strong intelligent-like “signal” in the genetic code is then a testable consequence of such scenario. Here we show that the terrestrial code displays a thorough precision-type orderliness matching the criteria to be considered an informational signal. Simple arrangements of the code reveal an ensemble of arithmetical and ideographical patterns of the same symbolic language. Accurate and systematic, these underlying patterns appear as a product of precision logic and nontrivial computing rather than of stochastic processes (the null hypothesis that they are due to chance coupled with presumable evolutionary pathways is rejected with P-value < 10–13). The patterns are profound to the extent that the code mapping itself is uniquely deduced from their algebraic representation. The signal displays readily recognizable hallmarks of artificiality, among which are the symbol of zero, the privileged decimal syntax and semantical symmetries. Besides, extraction of the signal involves logically straightforward but abstract operations, making the patterns essentially irreducible to any natural origin. Plausible ways of embedding the signal into the code and possible interpretation of its content are discussed. Overall, while the code is nearly optimized biologically, its limited capacity is used extremely efficiently to pass non-biological information."

 

[tas8831]

The significance of the semantic message "037" embedded in our genetic coding is well-explained in the following journal articles: .

Biosystems Volume 70, Issue 3, August 2003, Pages 187-209 "Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code" Author: Vladimir I. shCherbak
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4703000662

NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037
and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing
https://www.researchgate.net/public...m_037_as_a_Base_of_Biological_CodingComputing

"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing. Introduction 1 All living organisms are fundamentally based on information, which holds a central role in their communication and control, and therefore in their structural and dynamical organization. Such contemporary comprehension of living organisms as information systems is the result of a long-lasting history during which the biological field theory has been developed (Gurwitsch, 1912, 1923; Glauber, 1963; Waddington, 1966; Fröhlich, 1968; Presman, 1970; Popp, 1989, 1992). This approach places the biological coding/computing at the very heart of the biological organization, as well as its origin and evolution, since the organic codes (biological codes, biocodes) can be considered as the basic mechanism of macroevolution (Barbieri, 1998; 2008)." - Natasa Misic

Super amazing - Makukov's Institute collaborators and co-authors write that their collective numerology is amazingly important.

I'll take 1 example:

Nested numeric/geometric/arithmetic properties of shCherbak's prime quantum 037 as a base of (biological) coding/computing
Neuroquantology, 2011
NŽ Mišić (Makukov's lab partner, essentially)

The citations for that paper:



Harmonic mean as a determinant of the genetic code
MM Rakocevic -

A “quantum-like” approach to the genetic code
T Négadi - NeuroQuantology, 2011

Golden and harmonic mean in the genetic code
MM Rakočević - 2017 -

Analogies of genetic and chemical code
MM Rakočević -

The Enigma of Darwin Diagram
MM Rakočević -

The Cipher of the Genetic Code
MM Rakočević -

GENETIC CODE AND PERIODIC SYSTEM: SOME ANALOGIES
MM Rakočević -

GENETIC CODE AS A HARMONIC SYSTEM: THREE SUPPLEMENTS
MM Rakočević -

Genetic Code as a Harmonic System: three Supplements
MM Rakocevic -

NZ Mišic - Belgrade BioInformatics Conference 2016 - alas.matf.bg.ac.rs
The standard genetic code (SGC) is crucial to our understanding not only of the origin of life,
but also of the link between the physical and biological realm with information as an ultimate
unifying concept [1]. The nature, origin, and evolution of genetic code is an enigma for itself …
Related articles

THE ENIGMA OF DARWIN DIAGRAM
MM Rakocevic - rxiv.org

STANDARD GENETIC CODE: P-ADIC MODELLING, NUCLEON BALANCES AND SELFSIMILARITY
NŽ Mišić -

DARWIN'S DIAGRAM–MORE THAN AN EVOLUTIONARY TREE
MM Rakočević - rakocevcode.rs

HE DARWIN (HIDDEN) CODE
MM Rakočević -

Genetic code: Chemical Distinctions of Protein Amino Acids
MM Rakočević - 2017 -

What trend do you see? Look at the names - as I mentioned before, it is not uncommon for collaborators or PIs to cite themselves or their collaborators. It IS uncommon to ONLY cite yourself and your collaborators.

Oh -

"First Impact Factor for NeuroQuantology Journal. We are pleased to announce that the NeuroQuantologyfirst impact factor has been calculated as 0.697 for the last two years. The journal is now ranked 213th of 237 journals, in the Neuroscience category."




Bottom line - if this line of research was considered relevant, valid, etc,, then we should see people other than themselves and handful of others citing their work.

 

[tas8831]

Makukov and sCherbak make a compelling case

Compelling to whom?

Not to the world of science.

They've had 16 years to thrill us all. And they've got less than 100 citations among them, and mostly the citations are... each other.

Youtube videos do not mean that they have a "compelling" case.

Numerology is interesting and even 'awe' inspiring, to be sure - if it weren't we would not see it figure so prominently in the major religions.

 

[Salvador]

Compelling to whom?

Not including me, there's Vladimir shCherbak, Maxim A. Makukov , Natasa Misic, Artem Novozhilov, , Eugene Koonin, Chris Davis, Craig Paardekooper.

 

[Martin]

Identical Chariots of the gods science.. Vondainken managed 25 books so its lucrartive woo.

Yes, Herbert Von Danish Pastry has done nicely out of his alien friends.

 

[ecco]

Makukov's and sCherbak's research paper "SETI in vivo: testing the we-are-them hypothesis" sufficiently addresses the outspoken criticism that PZ Myers or other biologists have had with regards to the claim of Makukov and sCherbak having found an intelligently designed extraterrestrial signal in the universal genetic code.

If true, it would indeed be Nobel worthy. Do you know if they have been nominated?

 

[Salvador]

If true, it would indeed be Nobel worthy. Do you know if they have been nominated?

No, they've not been nominated for a Nobel Prize. However, Maxim Makukov is head of the Laboratory of Cosmology, Stellar Dynamics and Computational Astrophysics. Vladimir shCherbak is head of the Department of Fundamental Mathematics at Al-Farabi Kazakh National University.

 

[ecco]

If true, it would indeed be Nobel worthy. Do you know if they have been nominated?

No, they've not been nominated for a Nobel Prize.

Well, I just don't understand that.

They have just about proven the existence of extraterrestrial life. Surely, that's worthy, not only of a nomination but of winning.

Yet, you say, they haven't been nominated. Why do you think that is?

 

[Salvador]

Well, I just don't understand that.

They have just about proven the existence of extraterrestrial life. Surely, that's worthy, not only of a nomination but of winning.

Yet, you say, they haven't been nominated. Why do you think that is?

Great question to which I've finally figured out the answer. Makuvov and shCherbak, these mathematical geniuses, failed to win a Nobel Prize for their discovery of an intelligently designed informational signal embedded in our genetic code, because this discovery is not as worthy as a discovery that be expected to lead scientists on a path towards a medical breakthrough or a more technologically advanced invention.