What evolved first, the heart or the lungs? The chicken or egg? The DNA or the cell? The parrent or child? The legs or arms? The brain or liver? The eyes or ears? You seeing this yet?
This is a meaningless series of questions. Why this comes up so often is the result of a misunderstanding of the theory of evolution and is not based on any real challenge to the theory. If some order did exist, my lack of knowledge of it would not refute the theory. What I am seeing is confusion over an understanding of many things, but they are your confusion and not mine.
The implication here is your claim that there is an order, that not knowing that order is a condition of debunking a scientific theory and that implicit to this is that you understand the order or at least that an order existed in the manner you have contrived.
Insects do not have lungs. They have a tracheal system that delivers air in direct contact with the tissues. Plants have no organs like ours. With just these two examples I show that concern with order is unfounded and is not your combination that shatters the theory of evolution or the facts of evolution that have been observed.
My mom saw a glowing spirit being appear to her once. My niece who was 7 or 8 saw the same thing at the same time. Doesent that rule out halucination? Ill answer any anticipated questions. They did no drugs.
I do not know what that means. It is a hearsay claim that has no additional evidence to support it from my perspective. I cannot state one way or the other what it is.
How do you know it was a spirit being? How was the veracity of the younger witness determined? How do you know that the individuals were not really under the influence of drugs, whether by will, accident, or the malign intent of others? What tests were performed so that I may become more confident? Is there a history of mental illness? Is there a history of suggestibility? How were those conditions ruled out? Is there other evidence that might suggest what this incident could be determined to be? How was alien visitation ruled out? How about a mishap resulting from the actions of a time traveler? What evidence leads you to the conclusion it was a spirit?
You believe in God though, do you believe in a afterlife? If yes, why would something that real not have any evidence for it? I seriously think people have deluded themselves on what evidence is or isnt.
Both of us then believe in an afterlife. Neither of us know that an afterlife is real. Believing in something doesn't make it real.
People have deluded themselves about evidence. Your words indicate to me that you do not understand the nature of evidence and the difference between belief and what can be substantiated by evidence. That is the major problem here.
Theres some pretty compelling NDE experiences that i have read. Anectotal or not, i still consider it evidence. I dont believe millions of people are lying. And some of these are not halucinatory because of certain things they see and verify (ESP).
There is testimony that something occurred. We do not know what that means. I have not said that people are lying. I have demonstrated that we have no reason to accept someone's favorite explanation as "the" explanation when that explanation cannot be corroborated and all other explanations proposed cannot be eliminated.
Oh? What would the origin be if not spiritual?
Potentially anything. You must know this, since you have eliminated all of them. Would you mind explaining the elimination process you used and the significant points that eliminated the main possibilities? Even further, I would love to know how you came up with your list of possible causes to eliminate in the first place.
Do you see what you have to do in order to turn your beliefs into something you can verify to another person?
Some things are too specific to be coincidence in some ESP experiences. I had a dream of a friend once. I seen him standing there and heard the numbers E708. I told him the dream the next day and he told me he went to go get his passport and they gave him a waiting # which was E708. I dont think thats coincidence.
How did you determine the specificity and probabilities? How did you eliminate the influence of subtle ques and outside information? What controlled tests have you performed? Were these tests observed by unbiased and objective third parties? Was the work reviewed and determined to have been consistent with the scientific method and following established and vetted procedures? If you are reading about these things, the same questions apply to those that provided the reports.
There are numerous questions that need to be asked and answered before these sorts of claims can be considered, let alone verified.
How did you know about E708? Who have you been talking to?
Arent you just the doubting thomas, arent you?
I am exactly that that. There is no sin in doubting. It is people and their claims that I am doubting. I would be a fool, to accept without question, the unsupported claims and giant leaps to conclusion made by others.
You are trying to imply that I doubt the existence of God and somehow this is the sin that has aligned me against you. It is clear now, who I doubt and for what reasons.
I uphold your rights to believe as you choose. The problem arises when people that have only belief decide that theirs is the right and proper belief for everyone only and their belief should trump rational thought, questions, objective review and knowledge gained through the ongoing work of science. That takes belief and puts it in a position where it is no longer about the rights of an individual.
