The Mystery Thread

[Dan From Smithville]

I know what I said. If I'm wrong you could always produce the post where I allegedly said otherwise.

That game never gets old does it.

You know what you said. I know what you said. Others following this thread know what you said. You made two contradictory statements and now you don't have the integrity to admit it. I do not even hold that against you considering the emotive nature of this topic, but do not play games. It is beneath us all.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Another factor IMO is how, in western society, science has usurped religion as the primary arbiter of reality. It wasn't that long ago that proclamations and such from religious leaders carried weight across society. Now, not so much. Today it's the finding of science that have currency, as evidenced by headlines and even advertising.

In that environment, creationists realize that merely appealing to scripture and religious authority to support their beliefs isn't very persuasive, so they try and sell their beliefs as being supported by science. Thus "scientific creationism" and "intelligent design" were born.

A very good point and one that I see happening as well.

The problem I think that Christians, even myself, sometimes miss, is we can still believe in God. We don't have to tear society down to maintain belief. Reality doesn't have to be denied or ignored.

Well, you know the slippery slope.....understanding might lead to acceptance, which might lead to a crisis of faith. So it's far safer to nip that in the bud and remain ignorant.

True. I am not so certain as some other Christians are that a crisis of faith should be avoided at any cost. A crisis can create strength as well as demolish it. Learning the truth of something may be painful, but humans grow on painful truths just as well as we do on a sugary diet.

 

[YmirGF]

That game never gets old does it.

You know what you said. I know what you said. Others following this thread know what you said. You made two contradictory statements and now you don't have the integrity to admit it. I do not even hold that against you considering the emotive nature of this topic, but do not play games. It is beneath us all.

What an awesome and quite polite way to put a delicate reality.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What an awesome and quite polite way to put a delicate reality.

Thank you. I have been feeling like I am coming off a little short and sharp today, so it is nice that it may be more my own self-criticism than a complete reality.

I hear these same claims and convictions regularly, along with the same attempts at reasoning and lack of evidence and I think, sometimes I become a little terse and sharp as a result. It is not my intent to attack the religious beliefs of others. I am interested in examining and critiquing where others apply their views and the impact it has on established knowledge and means of achieving that knowledge.

 

[gnostic]

The things is that have no problem with Christians having their there personal belief and all.

My problem some of them (particularly with Creationists) attempt to blur the line line between science and religion.

The Bible isn’t a science textbook and it ain’t science.

A line needs to be drawn.

I am not not against Christians as a whole, but I am against those who are creationists and ID followers, particularly those who tried to misinformation and propaganda. It is these people like Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, Michael Behe, Stephen Meyer and Phillip Johnson, that give Christians a bad name.

 

[Earthling]

That game never gets old does it.

You know what you said. I know what you said. Others following this thread know what you said. You made two contradictory statements and now you don't have the integrity to admit it. I do not even hold that against you considering the emotive nature of this topic, but do not play games. It is beneath us all.

Why don't you just show me where I said it instead of making me look like the bad guy? That's all you have to do. Ask one of the others to find it for you. ANYONE?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I'm not saying anything about availability though, I'm talking about people who say they know it and most likely don't even begin to understand it. I certainly never felt the need to familiarize myself with it. It's a question of whether to believe in the creator of the universe or some imperfect people who have a long history of changing their minds about what is true.

Here in this post you state clearly you have not ever felt the need to familiarize yourself with the theory of evolution and the evidence that the theory explains. I responded to you twice on this post and the second time, you changed your story to being familiar with the theory, but only through Kent Hovind, whom you consider to be a criminal with questionable sanity. Your statements are obviously contradictory.

Do you need me to find the post where you mentioned Kent Hovind. Several other people responded to it as well. Like this post, it is clearly there.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Why don't you just show me where I said it instead of making me look like the bad guy? That's all you have to do. Ask one of the others to find it for you. ANYONE?

I think you are doing a fine job of this yourself. Again, thank you for confirming the arrogance that creationists often turn to when their arguments have hit the fan.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Why don't you just show me where I said it instead of making me look like the bad guy? That's all you have to do. Ask one of the others to find it for you. ANYONE?

In an independent post to Jollybear, you also mentioned that you are too bogged down with 6,000 years of Christian history and theology and do not have the time to learn about the theory of evolution. It is clear that you considered yourself not to know about the science of evolution. This contradicts your later post where you claim to be familiar, but got all your information from Kent Hovind. I am not surprised that you are so confused and taken aback when anyone with the least inkling of the actual science challenges your claims.

Do you need me to show you where that post is?

 

[Earthling]

Here in this post you state clearly you have not ever felt the need to familiarize yourself with the theory of evolution and the evidence that the theory explains.

That isn't what you said I said.

I responded to you twice on this post and the second time, you changed your story to being familiar with the theory, but only through Kent Hovind, whom you consider to be a criminal with questionable sanity. Your statements are obviously contradictory.

I have to keep repeating myself to you. I said that I didn't feel the need to familiarize myself with it, I didn't say that I didn't. I said that I had been taught it in school, had read a couple books and watched a couple videos that were critical of it. None of that is what you said I said. Stop wasting my time.

Do you need me to find the post where you mentioned Kent Hovind. Several other people responded to it as well. Like this post, it is clearly there.

I need you to stop wasting my time. Make a point or argument.

 

[Earthling]

I think you are doing a fine job of this yourself.

Good, then. You leave it to me and you concentrate on you and your argument.

Again, thank you for confirming the arrogance that creationists often turn to when their arguments have hit the fan.

I don't see it that way. Maybe I'm blinded by the lack of your participation in the discussion.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

That isn't what you said I said.



I have to keep repeating myself to you. I said that I didn't feel the need to familiarize myself with it, I didn't say that I didn't. I said that I had been taught it in school, had read a couple books and watched a couple videos that were critical of it. None of that is what you said I said. Stop wasting my time.



I need you to stop wasting my time. Make a point or argument.

You're doing so well at wasting the time of both of us. Why stop now?

I asked you how you could draw conclusions when you are not familiar with what is known and stated about evolution. You then contradicted your previous claim of a lack of familiarity when you claimed that you were familiar with it through Kent Hovind. That is all I need to know. That is all there is to know.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Good, then. You leave it to me and you concentrate on you and your argument.

Thank you. I am doing very well with my argument and I did not even need to send you looking for posts of mine that I know are there.

I don't see it that way. Maybe I'm blinded by the lack of your participation in the discussion.

Are you saying I have not been posting here? Who do you think you are responding to? You really like to make contradictory statements.

I see it that way and I still do.

 

[Earthling]

You're doing so well at wasting the time of both of us. Why stop now?

I asked you how you could draw conclusions when you are not familiar with what is known and stated about evolution. You then contradicted your previous claim of a lack of familiarity when you claimed that you were familiar with it through Kent Hovind. That is all I need to know. That is all there is to know.

All right then, shut the **** up and leave me alone.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

That isn't what you said I said.



I have to keep repeating myself to you. I said that I didn't feel the need to familiarize myself with it, I didn't say that I didn't. I said that I had been taught it in school, had read a couple books and watched a couple videos that were critical of it. None of that is what you said I said. Stop wasting my time.



I need you to stop wasting my time. Make a point or argument.

You started this. I am just following through. You could have clarified this sooner.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

All right then, shut the **** up and leave me alone.

Fine by me. I am done with you anyway.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Earlier I gave a very reasonable challenge for any Hovind believer. Find some quote of his, state it clearly with a link to it. And I will show how Hovind is wrong.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

All right then, shut the **** up and leave me alone.

Sorry. I see you have created another thread, so I may not be as done with you as I thought. This could be the start of a beautiful friendship.

 

[Earthling]

Earlier I gave a very reasonable challenge for any Hovind believer. Find some quote of his, state it clearly with a link to it. And I will show how Hovind is wrong.

And I told you I didn't have time for that right now, besides, isn't that what we are doing in the Into The Zone thread. What we are supposed to be doing.

 

[Earthling]

Sorry. I see you have created another thread, so I may not be as done with you as I thought. This could be the start of a beautiful friendship.

Okay, but I warn you, I don't pay any attention to stalkers. You have a valid point and I'm all ears. You want to stalk, harass and troll me? Its as if you aren't there.