Earthling
David Henson
Yeah.
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The Mystery Thread
- Thread starter Earthling
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Yeah.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And that is the problem. You refuse to understand the theory so you cannot debunk it. Or have you forgotten your question that was the equivalent of asking what Oswald had for breakfast on the day he shot Kennedy?
ecco
Veteran Member
ecco said: ↑
If you rejected evolution when it was first introduced to you in school, why are you pretending to be someone trying to learn it?
If you rejected evolution when it was first introduced to you in school, why are you pretending to be someone trying to learn it?
Well, that makes sense. That's a very good approach. But why sit in a forum? Most colleges will allow adults to take classes either online or in person. You would learn a lot more that way.
ecco
Veteran Member
ecco said: ↑
No Creationism. No Evolution. Just the ideas, theories, and concepts of one lone internet poster who goes by the name of Earthling.
Sorry, I should have said:
No Creationism. No Evolution. Just the unknown, unstated ideas, theories, and concepts of one lone internet poster who goes by the name of Earthling.
I'd be willing to bet it closely resembles Creationism.
Bird123
Well-Known Member
What I say is based on what I have discovered.
Jollybear
Hey
I know how logic works. And i say this with assertive authority. Simple as that.
Jollybear
Hey
You dont know logic too well then.
Something has to be the prime reality. The prime mover. Otherwise, logically you fall into the problem of infinite regression. As in, all events would take forever to happen, which means nothing would happen.
Thats logic.
Bird123
Well-Known Member
By watching you and your actions, I can discover who you are and a lot more. It doesn't matter what beliefs others might say about you. Your actions will tell all.
By watching and understanding God's actions, I discover who God really is and what God is about, along with what God is doing with this world.Once again, it doesn't matter what beliefs others might say. Actions tell it all. Further, God's actions can not be altered by mankind as so many religious beliefs are.
If one sits next to the smartest kid in one's classroom, doesn't one learn more? By studying God, won't understanding bring advanced thinking?
In creating this world along with defining the parameters, can you not see Actions that have been taken? They are everywhere. In this world, knowledge must be earned and discovered. Why is it that way? Why does God do this? In the Big scheme of things, Brains win. Why is it set up this way? Evolution? Why is it set up this way? Fractals? Why does this exist? Earthquakes, as you mentioned. Why kill kids? Sickness? How can sickness ever be a good thing? If you can not find any questions to ask, how can you define a direction by which you can find answers?
Yes, this type of journey takes a lifetime and more. When putting a puzzle together, one works with the easy pieces first until one gets a border. This might be a good idea for anyone.
Jollybear
Hey
Science reveals intelligent design because intelligent design is seen in the physical world. And its the physical world that science deals and studies.
Prometheus85
Active Member
Your wronger than wrong.
science is the systematic approach to acquiring knowledge about how the world works using the scientific method. Intelligent design aka creationism is pesudoscience the very opposite of science.
With science we try to understand how the world and universe works, that is, generating hypothesis and Theories through observation and testing.
Creationism says god did and that’s that
Prometheus85
Active Member
How is intelligent design seen in the physical world?
Jollybear
Hey
Thats that? No, theres way more to it then that.
Jollybear
Hey
Order, patterns, complexity, many parts that serve a function that work in conjunction with all the other parts. We see this all over the place. Our bodies as an example.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
"Order" is a subjective value assigned by a brain. The Universe contains no measurable quantity of "order".
Patterns occur in nature. They are not inherent indicators of design.
Also not an inherent indicator of design.
Another quality which is assigned rather than innate. For example, a rock serves perfectly as a paperweight. Does that mean a rock is specifically designed for that purpose?
Except the human body also has many parts which are not as functional, are inefficient, and many people are even born with parts of their body that aren't functional at all.
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ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Okay then. Please use creationist theory to make a testable prediction or demonstration.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
So, you're only learning about evolution with the prior mindset of wanting to debunk it?
And you wonder why you don't believe it.
Earthling
David Henson
That's what I did with the Bible 25 years ago and went from an ignorant atheist to an informed believer.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
The difference being that religion works at an emotional level, science doesn't. Religion seeks to deliberately undermine disbelief in order to access credulity, whereas science requires an honest, well-intentioned interest in learning.
Earthling
David Henson
Not for me it doesn't.
Who said anything about religion? I've nothing to do with any religion.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
That may be the case, I can't speak to your individual experience, but I find it to be true that religious thoughts and texts specifically appeal to emotion rather than reason.
The Bible is a religious text, and you said it is at least partially responsible for turning you from a disbeliever to a believer. I'm not saying you're necessarily a part of a religion, just that it was through a religious scripture you were convinced.
But let's park that to one side and try to engage in a less potentially confrontational level. What is it about evolution, specifically, that you find hard to believe?
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