The new Athiest Humanities downfall?

[PureX]

Sure there are some posters occasionally who post such rhetoric, but the OP brings these claims against 4 specific individuals.

If those 4 or even any among those 4 are not guilty of all the points (3), (11) and (12) the poster of the OP should amend or provide a follow up post to clarify that, otherwise it would appear to be slandering the 4 men in question.

In my opinion.

I disagree. I think the OP is about this behavior in general, and is only using a few well known people and instances to exemplify it. It has nothing to do with slandering them in particular.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You are aware that psychos capitalize atheism, no?

No, there is also another tradition for it.

 

[lukethethird]

No, there is also another tradition for it.

Yeah, Psychos Anonymous.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Now if @TransmutingSoul hadn't sported this thread I might never have heard about Robert Ingersoll and his famous lectures of the 19th century. Thank you JustGeorge.

Look at this:-
In a lecture entitled "The Great Infidels", he attacked the doctrine of Hell: "All the meanness, all the revenge, all the selfishness, all the cruelty, all the hatred, all the infamy of which the heart of man is capable, grew blossomed, and bore fruit in this one word – Hell."

......... ain't that something?

That's a beauty.

That's the reason for the OP, we all learn more. It is the first time I had come across this idea of New Athiest.

The key here, is that I also know how bad faith has been in the past, we just do not want a future where we hand such a mess over to the next generations.

Regards Tony

 

[Audie]

Im not sure what his stance is on philosophy, if he likes it or not, I would assume that he doesn't really care that much about if that were the case. Yet I fail to see how that is dangerous?


Extreme forms of religions he is opposed to, don't think there is any doubt about that. But in many cases religions are harmful, and capable of planting bad ideas in people's heads. I don't think there is anyone that would deny that. And clearly he doesn't see any particular value in religions, especially when it comes to knowledge. Obviously this is up for debating, but religion does seem to have a fairly long and bad record history when it comes to being right about things, here im not talking about personally beliefs, but the knowledge which can be found and had been taught throughout history at the basis of religious beliefs.


This is also debatable.

If morality is in fact subjective then that is how it is, it is neither good or bad. Simply disagreeing with it, because one prefers that it is not, doesn't exactly change anything if that is not case, that would be to simply fool oneself. So don't really see how that is potentially dangerous either.


Well luckily we live in a world where people can do it, and religion being and still is the dominating approach, nothing prevent them for pursuing this, but one have to wonder, given how long and how little progress religion have made in regards to this for the last 2000+ years, whether anything will come from it. Even after that amount of time, there is no method or evidence put forward of how one should do it.


Almost all atheists (from what I know) are in support of humanism, so I doubt that dehumanizing and inhumane culture is in great support amongst atheists. And funny enough Richard Dawkins were actually awarded the humanist of the year in 1996 by the American Humanist Association, but lost it this year due to a comment he made

Doesn't religions teach that some people are better than others? That those who doesn't follow the religion is worth less than those that does? That those "special" ones gets rewarded while others get punished? Doesn't that sound slightly inhumane?

"Their way of thimking is a danger to mine,
and should be elininsted"...

And you got a prob with that?

 

[Colt]

Atheism isn't any sort of force. Your assertion is an extreme exaggeration.

If you disagree, feel free to present evidence and a coherent argument that your claim is true today.

Atheism as a movement is a dark and evil force when it attempts to undermine religious faith.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yeah, ...

Please delete that. As far as I can tell you are in violation of rule 1.

 

[Colt]

I don't believe you is bashing religion?

You exhibit the Atheist delusion.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Atheism as a movement is a dark and evil force when it attempts to undermine religious faith.

Well, some religious faith is also a dark and evil force.

 

[PureX]

I don't really think you are making case here as much as just throwing accusations around. To be a humanist doesn't require one to appreciate philosophy. It seems like you look at people like Richard Dawkins and those like him as individuals with the sole purpose of causing as much harm to others as possible, that they are nothing but liars, which find no joy in life except trying to ruin things for others, or for religious people?

Since I didn't name any individuals, I don't see where you're getting any of this from. I am simply pointing out behaviors that I've seen in keeping with those expressed in the OP. Behaviors that we have ALL seen if we are looking, and are being honest.

I think Dawkins has made himself a name and a good living spewing his opinions and fueling the zealots. Beyond that I don't think this is about Dawkins.

I believe that he see and recognize what potential harm some religious teaching can do and that he do not think that this is beneficial for the future of humanity. I don't think he is against all forms or teachings of religion.

Then why isn't he speaking out about it IN HIS OWN CAMP; where he'd have the most influence?

 

[Revoltingest]

Atheism as a movement is a dark and evil force when it attempts to undermine religious faith.

That makes "dark" & "evil" sound pretty good.
So much of it does need undermining.

 

[danieldemol]

I disagree. I think the OP is about this behavior in general, and is only using a few well known people and instances to exemplify it. It has nothing to do with slandering them in particular.

Those instances as they relate to the four mentioned are not well known to me.

Perhaps if they are well known to you you could easily substantiate pints (3), (11) and (12) with quotes from all four relating to all the three points mentioned?

If the four men mentioned are of no relevance to the OP they should not have been mentioned in connection with those points.

In my opinion.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You exhibit the Atheist ...

Please delete that as it is against rule 1.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

An asside, Dawkins is not an atheist but by his own words."I can not be sure that God does not exist." Is more an agnostic.

That is a sound statement. I had really hoped he would use his mind to prove God. The movie made of his life was a good watch.

It coukd show us that the power of the mind is separate from the infirmities of the body.

Regards Tony

 

[Audie]

Actually no I do.not struggle with Atheism.

Basically my biggest struggle is with my own self.

I just happened to read this article and thought it would be good to discuss the points it raised, as some of those.points have been used in conversations on RF.


Regards Tony

But like another here who posts anti atheist screeds, you can give no examples to back the claim.

 

[PureX]

Those instances as they relate to the four mentioned are not well known to me.

Perhaps if they are well known to you you could easily substantiate pints (3), (11) and (12) with quotes from all four relating to all the three points mentioned?

If the four men mentioned are of no relevance to the OP they should not have been mentioned in connection with those points.

In my opinion.

No one said they are OF NO RELEVANCE.

I'm tired of fighting with your constant jumps to the extremes. If you're this desperate to absolve them nothing I post will dissuade you, and frankly, I don't care. It's not about them, anyway.

 

[lukethethird]

Atheism as a movement is a dark and evil force when it attempts to undermine religious faith.

There is no atheist movement. Religious people have done a fine job of opposing extremists within their respective religions, sometimes with the full support of atheists.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

At one time or another most things have been used to attack or support religions on these and other forums.
However, what is new to this OP is suggesting that there is such a thing as "New Atheism" and that it has a Coherent agenda and ethos.

This gives it a legitimacy it has not earned and does nor deserve.

I see time will tell, but personally I see if the list items are being used, then more and more will use them.

I would offer there are a few people here that will identify with a few on that list.

Regards Tony

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

But like another here who posts anti atheist screeds, you can give no examples to back the claim.

Well, I am going to do it again. There is an anti atheist claim. This below is how atheism can turn dangerous:

"...
Definitions
Atheism is the comprehensive world view of persons who are free from theism and have freed themselves of supernatural beliefs altogether. It is predicated on ancient Greek Materialism.
Atheism involves the mental attitude that unreservedly accepts the supremacy of reason and aims at establishing a life-style and ethical outlook verifiable by experience and the scientific method, independent of all arbitrary assumptions of authority and creeds.
Materialism declares that the cosmos is devoid of immanent conscious purpose; that it is governed by its own inherent, immutable, and impersonal laws; that there is no supernatural interference in human life; that humankind, finding the resources within themselves, can and must create their own destiny. It teaches that we must prize our life on earth and strive always to improve it. It holds that human beings are capable of creating a social system based on reason and justice. Materialism’s ‘faith’ is in humankind and their ability to transform the world culture by their own efforts. This is a commitment that is, in its very essence, life-asserting. It considers the struggle for progress as a moral obligation that is impossible without noble ideas that inspire us to bold, creative works. Materialism holds that our potential for good and more fulfilling cultural development is, for all practical purposes, unlimited."
Our Vision

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

There is no atheist movement. Religious people have done a fine job of opposing extremists within their respective religions.

No, but there are organisations just like in religion and politics.