The new Athiest Humanities downfall?

[F1fan]

Maybe it's linked to your own religion's biased position against those who just don't happen to share their beliefs, do we need a poll on that? If it helps, then all anyone has to do is to click on the two links in your OP.

To my mind the reference in the OP, the list, is a way to create distrust for atheists, and vilify atheists in a way we did not invite.

My question is what really motivated the list, and what motivated Tony to post it. I'm not buying his passive attitude.

 

[Audie]

To my mind the reference in the OP, the list, is a way to create distrust for atheists, and vilify atheists in a way we did not invite.

My question is what really motivated the list, and what motivated Tony to post it. I'm not buying his passive attitude.

Reminds me of a meeting, someone put on thevagenda that we had to get all of our goods out of a warehouse by x date or itvwould be dumped at our expense, because we were filling needed space.

As it happened we did not have anything
in there at all, there was next to nothing in
there of any sort, nor was anything coming.

She ended up with having only intended to
" start a conversation".

 

[F1fan]

Celestial beings are outside of our limited range of vision or other senses.

Then how does an ordinary mortal, like yourself, have any reason to think they exist outside of imagination?

Do you have special sensory perception and you can detect celestial beings?

 

[lukethethird]

To my mind the reference in the OP, the list, is a way to create distrust for atheists, and vilify atheists in a way we did not invite.

My question is what really motivated the list, and what motivated Tony to post it. I'm not buying his passive attitude.

Perhaps it appeals to his prejudices.

 

[Colt]

But you know all about them?

Yes, revelations throughout the ages mention them.

 

[Colt]

Then how does an ordinary mortal, like yourself, have any reason to think they exist outside of imagination?

Do you have special sensory perception and you can detect celestial beings?

Revelations from time to time inform us.

 

[Colt]

I know, eh? That's the part that always gets me, too. All that stuff that is supposed to be "ineffable," and unknowable, that the people making those very claims are then happy to explain to you! Too funny, really.

If it’s true everything would still look the same. In the adventure of an experiential world we are supposed to be living in a mystery. It’s all hidden for a reason.

 

[lukethethird]

Yes, revelations throughout the ages mention them.

You just stated that Celestial beings are outside of our limited range of vision or other senses. Now you are saying what exactly, that the author of the book that we can all read had unlimited range? Dude, who are you trying to kid?

 

[Colt]

You just stated that Celestial beings are outside of our limited range of vision or other senses. Now you are saying what exactly, that the author of the book that we can all read had unlimited range? Dude, who are you trying to kid?

From time to time celestial beings have visibly appeared on earth to humans for specific reasons. That’s where our concepts of angels come from. The merciful ministry of revelations are granted according to the plans of God.

Didn’t you watch Star Trek?

 

[lukethethird]

From time to time celestial beings have visibly appeared on earth to humans for specific reasons. That’s where our concepts of angels come from. The merciful ministry of revelations are granted according to the plans of God.

You're contradicting yourself every time you post.

Didn’t you watch Star Trek?

Those are actors.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Whuh?

Atheism as "disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods" is not a natural concept.

 

[lukethethird]

Atheism as "disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods" is not a natural concept.

What are you trying to pull?

 

[Colt]

You're contradicting yourself every time you post. Those are actors.

Not contradicting myself, you are just quibbling as usual. We cannot see them unless they want to be seen when they want to be seen and for their reasons. We don’t have a choice. When faith is the point of this life then signs and wonders are limited.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I accept it as a reasonable accurate conclusion about reality, derived by repeatable experiment. So it fits my definition of 'truth'.
Human values are that mix of evolution and of acculturation that I've mentioned many times before.

And there's no such single thing as the "valuings" provided by religions. Instead their entire history has been about tribe, division, identity and ego ─ which is no doubt relevant to the observation that there are many tens of thousands of sects just in Christianity alone.

Yeah, that is because religion is unnatural. We, the atheists, are much more the correct version pf evolution as we are one and have a united worldview, including about how to collect stamps.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

In that case you're the pot calling the kettle black.

Yeah, there is off course an universel version of reason. That is why I am a limited cognitive, moral and cultural relativist.

 

[Aupmanyav]

To my mind the reference in the OP, the list, is a way to create distrust for atheists, and vilify atheists in a way we did not invite.
My question is what really motivated the list, and what motivated Tony to post it. I'm not buying his passive attitude.

And also to promote one's own religion - Bahaism. Bahais at work.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Art is an expression of the human condition, and that is what religion is. Religion is art and it influences culture more than any other story.

No, I get your idea, but there is more. But it is a form of subjectivity.
religion | Definition, Types, List of Religions, Symbols, Examples, & Facts

 

[Aupmanyav]

Then how does an ordinary mortal, like yourself, have any reason to think they exist outside of imagination?
Do you have special sensory perception and you can detect celestial beings?

He has the book which says it all. He does not need even to apply his mind to it.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I consider religion religion.

I'm sure you can find a complex way to get confused about it.


There is plenty about religion that theists don't know, but that experts in the psychology of religion and sociology does know. Most all theists do not think about their belief, it is just a sort of operating system as their minds function.

So what is religion?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Didn’t you watch Star Trek?

Those are actors.

They all are actors. Spinning stories.