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The New System

Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
You would do well in getting rid of that illusion of verifiable evidence. There is no verifiable evidence of what you may have had for breakfast or lunch today, but you did.
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This is a common error of yours. One example of something that can't be verified, assuming that your claim is correct, does not mean that other observations cannot be verified. This is a hasty generalization fallacy on your part. Number 7 in this list:

https://thebestschools.org/magazine/15-logical-fallacies-know/
 
sayak83

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
I can't wait to see the technological advances in the new system! Imagine, instead of having to imagine what the future will bring all you will have to do is wait for it. Imagine how much more we could do learning, not from imperfect men, but the Creator of the universe, Jehovah God! We won't have to guess how old the universe is or where life came from, we will know. From someone who was there and made it all happen. Instead of working on something for 40 years or so you could work on it for 1,000 or more. Not to mention our intelligence will be remarkably superior to what it is now. In the new system.

Nudge, nudge.
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This is all you have. There will be no new system. Sorry to disappoint you.
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
I can't wait to see the technological advances in the new system! Imagine, instead of having to imagine what the future will bring all you will have to do is wait for it. Imagine how much more we could do learning, not from imperfect men, but the Creator of the universe, Jehovah God! We won't have to guess how old the universe is or where life came from, we will know. From someone who was there and made it all happen. Instead of working on something for 40 years or so you could work on it for 1,000 or more. Not to mention our intelligence will be remarkably superior to what it is now. In the new system.

Nudge, nudge.
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What’s wrong with imagining the future? We already wait for it while imagining it. So what’s the difference? We don’t guess how old the universe is (well, theists do), we have a pretty solid idea. Ditto for abiogenesis.
 
Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
'mud said:
I'm getting pretty old here, was the Babel tower before or after Noah's flood, I mean `God's` flood.
When all the people on Earth were scattered around the Earth ? It's a shame to forget all this stuff ?
A little help here ?
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Right after the flood. Peleg lived from 2269 to 2030 B.C.E. His name means "Division." (Genesis 10:25, Genesis 11:9) There is a text of Sharkalisharri, the King of Agade (Accad) during that time who mentions his restoring a temple tower at Babylon.

Creation of Adam 4026 B.C.E.
The Flood 2370 B.C.E. 1,656 Years
Abrahamic Covenant 1943 B.C.E. 427 Years
Exodus 1513 B.C.E. 430 Years
Temple Construction 1034 B.C.E. 479 Years
Kingdom Divided 997 B.C.E. 37 Years
Judah Destroyed 607 B.C.E. 390 Years
Return From Exile 537 B.C.E. 70 Years
Rebuilding Jerusalem's Walls 455 B.C.E. 82 Years
Jesus Baptized 29 C.E. 483 Years
The Present 2018 C.E. 1,989 Years
Total 6,043 Years
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
Right after the flood. Peleg lived from 2269 to 2030 B.C.E. His name means "Division." (Genesis 10:25, Genesis 11:9) There is a text of Sharkalisharri, the King of Agade (Accad) during that time who mentions his restoring a temple tower at Babylon.

Creation of Adam 4026 B.C.E.
The Flood 2370 B.C.E. 1,656 Years
Abrahamic Covenant 1943 B.C.E. 427 Years
Exodus 1513 B.C.E. 430 Years
Temple Construction 1034 B.C.E. 479 Years
Kingdom Divided 997 B.C.E. 37 Years
Judah Destroyed 607 B.C.E. 390 Years
Return From Exile 537 B.C.E. 70 Years
Rebuilding Jerusalem's Walls 455 B.C.E. 82 Years
Jesus Baptized 29 C.E. 483 Years
The Present 2018 C.E. 1,989 Years
Total 6,043 Years
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Since there was no "flood" you lose from the start. No point in continuing. I have a thread on why we know that there was no flood, though very few flood believers can debate there long without running away.
 
`mud

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
Noah's flood, Babel, and "...scattered throughout the world...."
all creatures but three dead, people from all the Earth, etc, etc.
And of course the cities to the east of Eden, why not the west of Eden ?
But...back to the flood and Babel.....on what dates were those things happening,
can't find the dates anywhere, and I'm getting very old.
When is the `new system` starting ? Another date that is not foretold !
I feel that a lot of dates are extremely mysterious to our investigations ?
 
Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
'mud said:
Noah's flood, Babel, and "...scattered throughout the world...."
all creatures but three dead, people from all the Earth, etc, etc.
And of course the cities to the east of Eden, why not the west of Eden ?
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Huh?

'mud said:
But...back to the flood and Babel.....on what dates were those things happening,
can't find the dates anywhere, and I'm getting very old.
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Me too. While you were posting this I was posting this. It should answer your questions.

'mud said:
When is the `new system` starting ? Another date that is not foretold !
I feel that a lot of dates are extremely mysterious to our investigations ?
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Well, the date for the new system is pending. Certain things have to happen before it arrives.
 
`mud

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
To hell with invented dates, and imagined mythologies,
none of them happened, and I'll pass you in the Cosmos.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Bob the Unbeliever said:
Where? And please don't use the old dodge "the bible"....

Because then I have to ask, WHICH bible? There are literally millions of differing flavors of that silly book!
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I remember as a Christian thinking the Bible was regarded by as an authoritative text giving it's historical foundation and "accuracy" and wondering for the life of me why people weren't impressed whenever I used it among the unbelievers to convince them to follow Jesus.

Things sure do look different now after the stained glass shattered, and the Rose Colored Glasses I was wearing lost its hue.
 
Bob the Unbeliever

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
Right after the flood. Peleg lived from 2269 to 2030 B.C.E. His name means "Division." (Genesis 10:25, Genesis 11:9) There is a text of Sharkalisharri, the King of Agade (Accad) during that time who mentions his restoring a temple tower at Babylon.

Creation of Adam 4026 B.C.E.
The Flood 2370 B.C.E. 1,656 Years
Abrahamic Covenant 1943 B.C.E. 427 Years
Exodus 1513 B.C.E. 430 Years
Temple Construction 1034 B.C.E. 479 Years
Kingdom Divided 997 B.C.E. 37 Years
Judah Destroyed 607 B.C.E. 390 Years
Return From Exile 537 B.C.E. 70 Years
Rebuilding Jerusalem's Walls 455 B.C.E. 82 Years
Jesus Baptized 29 C.E. 483 Years
The Present 2018 C.E. 1,989 Years
Total 6,043 Years
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So, from this timeline? Adam wasn't remotely the first human being. We have many-many records dating human cultures far, far older than 4026 BCE.

The Aborigines in Australia, for example, are something like 40,000 years. That means, that they were around at least 30,000 years before your Adam.... !

Imagine their surprise at discovering the world being "created" after having lived on it >30,000 years already...
 
Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
Bob the Unbeliever said:
So, from this timeline? Adam wasn't remotely the first human being. We have many-many records dating human cultures far, far older than 4026 BCE.

The Aborigines in Australia, for example, are something like 40,000 years. That means, that they were around at least 30,000 years before your Adam.... !

Imagine their surprise at discovering the world being "created" after having lived on it >30,000 years already...
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I shouldn't have to had asked this, but show me.
 
RedhorseWoman

RedhorseWoman

Active Member
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
I can't wait to see the technological advances in the new system! Imagine, instead of having to imagine what the future will bring all you will have to do is wait for it. Imagine how much more we could do learning, not from imperfect men, but the Creator of the universe, Jehovah God! We won't have to guess how old the universe is or where life came from, we will know. From someone who was there and made it all happen. Instead of working on something for 40 years or so you could work on it for 1,000 or more. Not to mention our intelligence will be remarkably superior to what it is now. In the new system.

Nudge, nudge.
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Let's see...before you get to experience any of these "wonders" of the New System, let us not forget that the Paradise you envision will be littered with billions of rotting corpses that you will have to deal with. Yes, I know, JWs believe that the birds of the Heavens will devour the dead, but there will be a LOT of dead bodies, and I'm sure that the stench will be overwhelming for quite some time.

Then, of course, the majority of JWs have no skills that would be necessary to rebuild any sort of civilization as it is known today. You'll be living in the Stone Age for quite some time. No electricity, no running water, tons of rubble to clean up, etc.

The "New System" will be your basic hellhole for quite some time. Enjoy!
 
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