The Noble Quran Was Not Written By Satan.

[Zhakir]

In reply to a similar allegation put forward by the pagans of makkah, that the prophet (pbuh) received the revelations from satan, the following verses were revealed:
Quran 56:77-80
"that this is indeed
a qur’an most honourable,
In a book well-guarded,
Which none shall touch
but those who are clean:
a revelation from the lord
of the worlds."
Kitabim maknoon means a book well guarded or a protected book, referring to lauhu-mahfooz in the heaven, which none shall touch except the mutahhareen. I.e. Those who do not have any uncleanliness or impurity or evil like sin. This refers to the angels. The satan is absolutely prohobited.
Thus since it is impossible for satan to come anywhere close to it or touch it, the question of him writing the verses of the glorious qur’an does not arise.
It is further mentioned in surah shura, chapter 26 verse 210-212
"no evil ones have brought
down this (revelation):
It would neither suit them
nor would they be able (to produce it).
Indeed they have been removed
far from even (a chance of)
hearing it."

Many people have a wrong concept of satan. They think that satan can probably do everything, except a couple of things that god can do. According to them, satan is slightly below god in power. Since the people do not want to accept that the qur’an is a miraculous revelation, they say that it is satan’s handiwork.

1. If satan would have written the qur’an, he would not have mentioned in the same qur’an in surah nahl, chapter 16 verse no. 98

"when thou does read
the qur’an, seek allah’s protection from satan the rejected one."

Is this how you feel satan would write a book? Does he tell you; "before you read my book ask god to save you from me?"2. There are several verses in the qur’an which will give enough evidence that satan is not the author of the qur’an.
In surah al aaraf chapter 7 verse 200
"if a suggestion from satan assail your (mind),
seek refuge with allah; for he hears and knows
(all things).

Why would satan tell his followers, that whenever he gives any suggestions to them, they should seek refuge in allah (swt) to whom he is an avowed enemy.In surah baqarah, chapter 2 verse 168
"o ye people!
Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good;
and do not follow the footsteps of the evil one,

for he is to you an avowed enemy."In surah yasin, chapter 36 verse 60
"did i not enjoin on you,
o ye children of adam,
that ye should not worship satan;
For that he was to you an enemy avowed?"
Satan is intelligent, no wonder that he can put this idea into the minds of people that he himself wrote the qur’an. Compared to almighty god, satan is insignificant, and allah (swt) is far more intelligent. He knows satan’s evil intentions and hence no wonder that he has given the reader of the qur’an several proofs to show that qur’an is god’s word, and not satan’s word.
The bible mentions in the gospel of mark, chapter 3, verses 24-26
"and if a kingdom be divided against itself, that
kingdom cannot stand."
"and if a house be divided against itself,
that house cannot stand."
"and if satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end."

 

[Shiner2]

Zhakir
Do not delude yourself! Because something looks and sounds like it is of God, that, that is really the case! Are you forgetting, or did you know that satan can transform himself into an Angel of Light, as can his ministers? 2 Corinthians 11:12-15 -
We are warned in the Bible, that there is the 'inspired expression of truth,' as opposed to the' inspired expression of error'. As an Angel of light, he can make his inspired expression of error, appear as the truth, as well, so can his ministers. 1 John 4:6 -
The Apostle Paul, foretold, that some in the latter part of the days, would be paying attention to 'misleading inspired utterance and teachings of demons, by men who speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron.' Ever watch a Steer being branded? You get the idea! 1 Timothy 4:1-5 -
How many now, are involved with your way of worship? Consider closely that number, because in the case of your religion alone, satan has misled that many; however many that proves to be.
Throw in with that number, the 2.1 Billion followers of Christedom's great system of religion. Factor in with that number, the 900 Million of the Catholic Faith. satan has them ALL right where the hair is close-cropped; and he's actually doing what John in the Revelation foretold he would do! "Misleading the entire inhabited earth." Revelation 12:9 -
No Zhakir, looks good, sounds good, doesn't cut it. It has to be the genuine article, or it's not worth its salt. Shiner2

 

[kai]

do you think satan would have signed it with a photo on the back cover, ?

not saying he did mind you ,just wondering how you would know if he did,if he actually existed i think he would be verry crafty and a dab hand at forging documents etc etc etc etc

 

[Madhuri]

I tend to catogorise 'good' and 'bad' into that which is constructive and that which is destructive. Anything that causes pain or suffering to any living thing is destructive either physically, emotionally or mentally. Anything done with love, humility, compassion etc. is constructive.

When I see examples in scriptures where God is responsible for something destructive I cannot accept that it is truly God. When I see followers of a religion being destructive (as they often are) I cannot help but think htat they are going against God. So when a scripture is portraying something that seems 'evil' I think that it is either wrong, or is being interpreted wrongly.
Just my opinion.

 

[Fatihah]

Zhakir
Do not delude yourself! Because something looks and sounds like it is of God, that, that is really the case! Are you forgetting, or did you know that satan can transform himself into an Angel of Light, as can his ministers? 2 Corinthians 11:12-15 -
We are warned in the Bible, that there is the 'inspired expression of truth,' as opposed to the' inspired expression of error'. As an Angel of light, he can make his inspired expression of error, appear as the truth, as well, so can his ministers. 1 John 4:6 -
The Apostle Paul, foretold, that some in the latter part of the days, would be paying attention to 'misleading inspired utterance and teachings of demons, by men who speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron.' Ever watch a Steer being branded? You get the idea! 1 Timothy 4:1-5 -
How many now, are involved with your way of worship? Consider closely that number, because in the case of your religion alone, satan has misled that many; however many that proves to be.
Throw in with that number, the 2.1 Billion followers of Christedom's great system of religion. Factor in with that number, the 900 Million of the Catholic Faith. satan has them ALL right where the hair is close-cropped; and he's actually doing what John in the Revelation foretold he would do! "Misleading the entire inhabited earth." Revelation 12:9 -
No Zhakir, looks good, sounds good, doesn't cut it. It has to be the genuine article, or it's not worth its salt. Shiner2

Response: We also read in the bible, 1John4:1,2:

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God."

From the verses of the bible above, we see that the spirit that confesses that Jesus is the christ is of God. The word "spirit" is used synonymously with "prophet", as shown in the first verse. So a false spirit is a false prophet, and a true spirit is a true prophet. So the next verse says that the spirit that confesses that Jesus is the christ is of God, therefore being a true prophet. A true prophet is the one who speaks of Jesus as the christ.

Now, the holy qur'an:

"When the angels said, 'O Mary, Allah gives thee glad tidings of a son through a Word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearest to God." (Ch. 3:45)

From the verses of the qur'an, we read that Muhammad(pbuh) confesses that Jesus is the messiah, christ. Therefore, from the bible itself, Muhammad(pbuh) is confirmed to be a true prophet.

 

[England my lionheart]

I don't think it was written by Shaitan/Satan,i thought it was written by Men

 

[Gharib]

I don't think it was written by Shaitan/Satan,i thought it was written by Men

it was written by men, but it was composed by Allah, the lord of the worlds.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

In reply to a similar allegation put forward by the pagans of makkah, that the prophet (pbuh) received the revelations from satan, the following verses were revealed:
Quran 56:77-80
"that this is indeed
a qur’an most honourable,
In a book well-guarded,
Which none shall touch
but those who are clean:
a revelation from the lord
of the worlds."
Kitabim maknoon means a book well guarded or a protected book, referring to lauhu-mahfooz in the heaven, which none shall touch except the mutahhareen. I.e. Those who do not have any uncleanliness or impurity or evil like sin. This refers to the angels. The satan is absolutely prohobited.
Thus since it is impossible for satan to come anywhere close to it or touch it, the question of him writing the verses of the glorious qur’an does not arise.
It is further mentioned in surah shura, chapter 26 verse 210-212
"no evil ones have brought
down this (revelation):
It would neither suit them
nor would they be able (to produce it).
Indeed they have been removed
far from even (a chance of)
hearing it."


Many people have a wrong concept of satan. They think that satan can probably do everything, except a couple of things that god can do. According to them, satan is slightly below god in power. Since the people do not want to accept that the qur’an is a miraculous revelation, they say that it is satan’s handiwork.

1. If satan would have written the qur’an, he would not have mentioned in the same qur’an in surah nahl, chapter 16 verse no. 98

"when thou does read
the qur’an, seek allah’s protection from satan the rejected one."

Is this how you feel satan would write a book? Does he tell you; "before you read my book ask god to save you from me?"2. There are several verses in the qur’an which will give enough evidence that satan is not the author of the qur’an.
In surah al aaraf chapter 7 verse 200
"if a suggestion from satan assail your (mind),
seek refuge with allah; for he hears and knows
(all things).

Why would satan tell his followers, that whenever he gives any suggestions to them, they should seek refuge in allah (swt) to whom he is an avowed enemy.In surah baqarah, chapter 2 verse 168
"o ye people!
Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good;
and do not follow the footsteps of the evil one,

for he is to you an avowed enemy."In surah yasin, chapter 36 verse 60
"did i not enjoin on you,
o ye children of adam,
that ye should not worship satan;
For that he was to you an enemy avowed?"
Satan is intelligent, no wonder that he can put this idea into the minds of people that he himself wrote the qur’an. Compared to almighty god, satan is insignificant, and allah (swt) is far more intelligent. He knows satan’s evil intentions and hence no wonder that he has given the reader of the qur’an several proofs to show that qur’an is god’s word, and not satan’s word.
The bible mentions in the gospel of mark, chapter 3, verses 24-26
"and if a kingdom be divided against itself, that
kingdom cannot stand."
"and if a house be divided against itself,
that house cannot stand."
"and if satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end."

Zhakir, thank you for the invite to comment on said thread. I have given it some thought about how to respond, and even after much thought it is incredibly hard to respond when we have such fundamental differences approaching the subject.


I read your opening post more than once so I could make sure I understood your position. As a result, I will summarize why you believe Satan could not or did not write the Quran:

1. Satan would not write something bad about himself
2. Satan could not stand, according to the book of Mark if Satan was divided against himself
3. The Quran says no unclean thing will come near the Quran.
4. The Quran says it came from above.
5. The Quran says it is protected.
6. Lastly, Satan would never say seek Allah's protection, and the Quran says to seek Allah's protection from Satan.

I have taken these 6 points from your post. I have considered them carefully.

Before I respond to each of these points, I need to let you know my reason for thinking the Quran is not from God has nothing to do with each of these points. My feeling is that the Quran in deed teaches apparent wisdom and good guidance, but fails on the only important part which the bible declares. That Jesus is the Son of God.

Now let me respond to these 6 posts with 6 more posts. My posts will be talking about an ugly scenario, but one that is relevant.

Suppose you have a 6 year old girl lost in the wilderness. Suppose the girls friends and family had been eaten by animals, but somehow the girl escaped harm. Days later a man approaches in the wilderness, spotting the little girl. He asks the little girl what she is doing all alone. The girl tells the man "I am alone, everyone is gone".

Now, this man that approached is a predator. He is child predator. Here he has a choice. He can forcibly take the child and do what he wants with her, because they are in the wilderness, right? However suppose this same situation was now in broad day light in New York City. Would it be as easy for the man to take the girl by force? Probably not.


So the man has to devise ways that only a skilled predator can do. He must not only convince the little girl he is a good guy, he must also convince all those watching he is a good guy. Are you with me so far?

1. This man would say whatever it took to obtain his goal or prey. If that meant lying or saying something bad about himself he would do it.
2. This man could be divided against himself and still accomplish his goals. He could be lying to his wife at home about what he does, and in the day be preying on children. However, this is based on the book of Mark, and you need to read the end of that section that deals with Satan. It says Satan's house will fall in the end. "In the end" being the key word. It didn't say right away. So since we are not at the end, the Quran can still stand.
3. Clearly in my story the man is unclean yet he can still convince all those watching and the little girl he is clean.
4. This man will want to convince all watching he is a good person. So that he can obtain his prey.
5. This man could even show a fake badge and say he is law enforcement, using AUTHORITY to obtain his goals.
6. Lastly, this man could easily use the argument, "let's get you out of the street and somewhere SAFE, so that nothing bad happens to you. Again whatever it takes.

So you see Zhakir, it is not that I want to cause you any harm or discomfort, but the position you are presenting that claims Satan could not write the Quran, just doesn't hold up very well when looking at my response carefully.

As said earlier, this really has nothing to do with why I think Satan "could" be behind the Quran. For me it is the open rejection of Jesus being the Son of God. Of which please read 1st John carefully. I believe it stresses the importance of not just recognizing Jesus as Christ or Messiah (which you do) but also as the Son of God (which you don't)

Let me know if you have any questions.

 

[Fatihah]

Zhakir, thank you for the invite to comment on said thread. I have given it some thought about how to respond, and even after much thought it is incredibly hard to respond when we have such fundamental differences approaching the subject.


I read your opening post more than once so I could make sure I understood your position. As a result, I will summarize why you believe Satan could not or did not write the Quran:

1. Satan would not write something bad about himself
2. Satan could not stand, according to the book of Mark if Satan was divided against himself
3. The Quran says no unclean thing will come near the Quran.
4. The Quran says it came from above.
5. The Quran says it is protected.
6. Lastly, Satan would never say seek Allah's protection, and the Quran says to seek Allah's protection from Satan.

I have taken these 6 points from your post. I have considered them carefully.

Before I respond to each of these points, I need to let you know my reason for thinking the Quran is not from God has nothing to do with each of these points. My feeling is that the Quran in deed teaches apparent wisdom and good guidance, but fails on the only important part which the bible declares. That Jesus is the Son of God.

Now let me respond to these 6 posts with 6 more posts. My posts will be talking about an ugly scenario, but one that is relevant.

Suppose you have a 6 year old girl lost in the wilderness. Suppose the girls friends and family had been eaten by animals, but somehow the girl escaped harm. Days later a man approaches in the wilderness, spotting the little girl. He asks the little girl what she is doing all alone. The girl tells the man "I am alone, everyone is gone".

Now, this man that approached is a predator. He is child predator. Here he has a choice. He can forcibly take the child and do what he wants with her, because they are in the wilderness, right? However suppose this same situation was now in broad day light in New York City. Would it be as easy for the man to take the girl by force? Probably not.


So the man has to devise ways that only a skilled predator can do. He must not only convince the little girl he is a good guy, he must also convince all those watching he is a good guy. Are you with me so far?

1. This man would say whatever it took to obtain his goal or prey. If that meant lying or saying something bad about himself he would do it.
2. This man could be divided against himself and still accomplish his goals. He could be lying to his wife at home about what he does, and in the day be preying on children. However, this is based on the book of Mark, and you need to read the end of that section that deals with Satan. It says Satan's house will fall in the end. "In the end" being the key word. It didn't say right away. So since we are not at the end, the Quran can still stand.
3. Clearly in my story the man is unclean yet he can still convince all those watching and the little girl he is clean.
4. This man will want to convince all watching he is a good person. So that he can obtain his prey.
5. This man could even show a fake badge and say he is law enforcement, using AUTHORITY to obtain his goals.
6. Lastly, this man could easily use the argument, "let's get you out of the street and somewhere SAFE, so that nothing bad happens to you. Again whatever it takes.

So you see Zhakir, it is not that I want to cause you any harm or discomfort, but the position you are presenting that claims Satan could not write the Quran, just doesn't hold up very well when looking at my response carefully.

As said earlier, this really has nothing to do with why I think Satan "could" be behind the Quran. For me it is the open rejection of Jesus being the Son of God. Of which please read 1st John carefully. I believe it stresses the importance of not just recognizing Jesus as Christ or Messiah (which you do) but also as the Son of God (which you don't)

Let me know if you have any questions.

Response: I've read your response itwillend. But the analogy of a child predator does not hold up. You see, in the scenario you've presented, there are obvious red flags from the start. The person is a stranger who wants a child to follow them. Following a stranger is dangerous period. There is nothing misleading about that. So in order for your analogy to work, you will have to present something, anything in the qur'an, which resembles such a dangerous set up. Then and only then, would the analogy work. However, there are no such cases in the qur'an, so therefore it is not from Satan. But if you have proof otherwise, and can point to such verses in the qur'an which resemble the same dangerous setup as following a stranger, we are all ears.

It is also from my observation that your questioning of whether the qur'an is from Satan is not based on any evidence, but rather based on the fact that it does not teach what you believe. That being, that Jesus is the Son of God. So my question to you would be, how do you know that this teaching is not from Satan?

 

[Shia Islam]

For me, i feel very happy to hear that more and more people believe that the Quran is written by Satan...

This is breakthrough for Islam...

Since early time ...most people who don't believe on it say that it's written by man...

No a percentage of these people have convinced that this Quran can't be written by man...Some power beyond man power should should has written it..

So we are getting close to each other...no we both agree on one common ground:

"This Quran can't be written by man"
So we have to celebrate.

 

[England my lionheart]

I think it matters little who wrote the Quran as its the ahadith that is causing all the problems in Islam IMO

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Response: I've read your response itwillend. But the analogy of a child predator does not hold up. You see, in the scenario you've presented, there are obvious red flags from the start. The person is a stranger who wants a child to follow them. Following a stranger is dangerous period. There is nothing misleading about that. So in order for your analogy to work, you will have to present something, anything in the qur'an, which resembles such a dangerous set up. Then and only then, would the analogy work. However, there are no such cases in the qur'an, so therefore it is not from Satan. But if you have proof otherwise, and can point to such verses in the qur'an which resemble the same dangerous setup as following a stranger, we are all ears.

It is also from my observation that your questioning of whether the qur'an is from Satan is not based on any evidence, but rather based on the fact that it does not teach what you believe. That being, that Jesus is the Son of God. So my question to you would be, how do you know that this teaching is not from Satan?

Fatihah, I was asked to consider responding to this opening thread of Zhakir's, and I thought I would just give my opinion. I have no desire to argue, and I hope you feel the same way. We are all on our own journey with God, and as such we are where we are.


You have posed two seperate issues for me in your response:

1. I have to show the Quran is like the man in my example, in which there is a dangerous setup.
   
   My response to this first issue, is that the Quran was written after the texts in the bible were written. The Quran is used often to interpret the bible. In fact MANY things in the Quran would make no sense at all if the bible did not exist. So by this, I know the Quran is not able to stand own its own two feet. The bible however need no other book for anything. Again just my opinion.
   
   Second, you have to remember in my story, to the little child it may not have been dangerous to her, but in fact much joy that another human has showed up. She was lost and alone, and here comes a man to hopefully help her. So, to me this can be compared to not just the Quran, but any book that offers interpetation of the bible.
   The danger is when an individual or group feels compelled to create a religion or ideology, so that others can understand the bible.
   
   You would have to prove to me, that the Quran would make sense if there was never a bible to draw from. I don't think that is possible. To me the bible gives the Quran its existence. Doesn't mean the Quran is good, just means it is reliant on the bible.
   ___________________
   
2. How would I know if the teaching that Jesus is the Son of God is not from Satan?
   
   Answer: I wouldn't know this unless I studied the matter and prayed about it. I don't assume anything, but study everything and then conclude the matter.

My biggest problem is the Quran and Islam asks its followers to not trust the bible, but trust the Quran. To use the Quran as a lens or glass to look at the bible. When the bible contradicts the Quran, choose the Quran.

This is where we part ways, as I know we can go no futher other than post what each other believes. You won't believe me and I won't believe you. So let's leave in peace.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

For me, i feel very happy to hear that more and more people believe that the Quran is written by Satan...

This is breakthrough for Islam...

Since early time ...most people who don't believe on it say that it's written by man...

No a percentage of these people have convinced that this Quran can't be written by man...Some power beyond man power should should has written it..

So we are getting close to each other...no we both agree on one common ground:

"This Quran can't be written by man"
So we have to celebrate.

Shia, what can I say?
Let me explain my point of view.
This world is going through a spiritual war right now. It is not between flesh and blood but principalities and powers, spiritually.

So, it is no secret, the devil knows his time is short, so he goes to great lengths to decieve as many as he can. Part of decieving as many as he can, he will come as an Angel of light, and do whatever he can do, to convince his followers they are following God. If he can do that, than he has won (at least in his eyes)

I hope you are not destroyed, as I am sure you hope the same thing for me.

Peace...

 

[Fatihah]

Fatihah, I was asked to consider responding to this opening thread of Zhakir's, and I thought I would just give my opinion. I have no desire to argue, and I hope you feel the same way. We are all on our own journey with God, and as such we are where we are.


You have posed two seperate issues for me in your response:

1. I have to show the Quran is like the man in my example, in which there is a dangerous setup.
   
   My response to this first issue, is that the Quran was written after the texts in the bible were written. The Quran is used often to interpret the bible. In fact MANY things in the Quran would make no sense at all if the bible did not exist. So by this, I know the Quran is not able to stand own its own two feet. The bible however need no other book for anything. Again just my opinion.
   
   Second, you have to remember in my story, to the little child it may not have been dangerous to her, but in fact much joy that another human has showed up. She was lost and alone, and here comes a man to hopefully help her. So, to me this can be compared to not just the Quran, but any book that offers interpetation of the bible.
   The danger is when an individual or group feels compelled to create a religion or ideology, so that others can understand the bible.
   
   You would have to prove to me, that the Quran would make sense if there was never a bible to draw from. I don't think that is possible. To me the bible gives the Quran its existence. Doesn't mean the Quran is good, just means it is reliant on the bible.
   ___________________
   
2. How would I know if the teaching that Jesus is the Son of God is not from Satan?
   
   Answer: I wouldn't know this unless I studied the matter and prayed about it. I don't assume anything, but study everything and then conclude the matter.

My biggest problem is the Quran and Islam asks its followers to not trust the bible, but trust the Quran. To use the Quran as a lens or glass to look at the bible. When the bible contradicts the Quran, choose the Quran.

This is where we part ways, as I know we can go no futher other than post what each other believes. You won't believe me and I won't believe you. So let's leave in peace.

Response: The issue with your response is that you yourself have made many assertions concerning the qur'an but have provided no proof to support the assertion. One is that the qur'an can not stand on it's own without the bible, the other is that the qur'an is dangerous because it interprets the bible. I'm assuming the danger is due to the fact that the qur'an brings the wrong interpretation of the the truth, which is the bible, and a diversion from the truth is dangerous.

But you have not provided any proof that the bible is actually true to begin with nor have you provided any proof that the qur'an can not stand on it's own. This alone would show support to the truth of the qur'an if the only critique of the qur'an is only assertions without evidence.

From this, it becomes clear to me that your rejection of the qur'an is not based on any proof, but rather it's rejection and criticism is only due to the fact that it does not accept what you consider the truth, which is the bible. But the only way that would be reasonable is if the bible itself is proven to be true which in this case you have not provided proof that it actually is. Since there is no proof, it's a belief.

My only objection to this is when a person accepts something to be true without proof and denounces anything that differs with their belief, their mind is not actual opened to the truth. In such a case, I would agree, it is best to part ways.

But I would like to add that my rejection of the bible as the word of God has absolutely nothing to do with the qur'an. The bible alone is by far the most contridicting and disturbing book I have ever read. It's filled with passages that are so immoral and degrading to me. The qur'an did not teach me this. I've read the bible myself and have seen so myself. I don't say this to offend you. I'm sure there may be things in the qur'an or sunnah in which you disagree with as well. I'm just being seriously honest. I know, if God did send down a revelation, it most definately is not the bible. This understanding is not from the qur'an, but from my personal reading of the bible myself. And anyone who is reasonable, and honest, will agree that there are many discrepancies and disturbances in the bible.

 

[Freelancer7]

The Quran was only written by Satan if Satan controlled Mohammed in his day and wanted to use the Quran for World Domination at a later date!!!

 

[Just_me_Mike]

The Quran was only written by Satan if Satan controlled Mohammed in his day and wanted to use the Quran for World Domination at a later date!!!

Satan controlls all things that are not of God.

 

[Zhakir]

Fatihah, I was asked to consider responding to this opening thread of Zhakir's, and I thought I would just give my opinion. I have no desire to argue, and I hope you feel the same way. We are all on our own journey with God, and as such we are where we are.


You have posed two seperate issues for me in your response:

1. I have to show the Quran is like the man in my example, in which there is a dangerous setup.
   
   My response to this first issue, is that the Quran was written after the texts in the bible were written. The Quran is used often to interpret the bible. In fact MANY things in the Quran would make no sense at all if the bible did not exist. So by this, I know the Quran is not able to stand own its own two feet. The bible however need no other book for anything. Again just my opinion.
   
   Second, you have to remember in my story, to the little child it may not have been dangerous to her, but in fact much joy that another human has showed up. She was lost and alone, and here comes a man to hopefully help her. So, to me this can be compared to not just the Quran, but any book that offers interpetation of the bible.
   The danger is when an individual or group feels compelled to create a religion or ideology, so that others can understand the bible.
   
   You would have to prove to me, that the Quran would make sense if there was never a bible to draw from. I don't think that is possible. To me the bible gives the Quran its existence. Doesn't mean the Quran is good, just means it is reliant on the bible.
   

Fatihah gave a good reason why doesn't you example hold up,your response to that also doesn't hold up.
One important question here

The Quran is used often to interpret the bible. In fact MANY things in the Quran would make no sense at all if the bible did not exist. So by this, I know the Quran is not able to stand own its own two feet. The bible however need no other book for anything.

I disagree,not this Bible. But If so (to you),then isn't the Bible satanic as well ? the same reason whatever it is that made you think Quran is written by satan would make think the Bible is too,as you claim the Quran can't stand on its own feet without the Bible.

on the book of Mark, and you need to read the end of that section that deals with Satan. It says Satan's house will fall in the end. "In the end" being the key word. It didn't say right away. So since we are not at the end, the Quran can still stand.

"and if satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end."
Satan's house falls,now we are talking about a claimed satan who rose up against himself
You said Quran still stands
If satan wrote it,then how could he stand (as he can't no matter what ) ? Mark 3:26 said he cannot stand.
Now to the allegation you put
Many critics allege that prophet muhummad (pbuh) himself was not the author of the qur’an but he learnt it and/or plagiarised (copied or adapted) it from other human sources or from previous scriptures or revelations.
1. Muhummad learnt the qur’an from a roman blacksmith who was a christian
Some pagans accused the prophet of learning the qur’an from a roman blacksmith, who was a christian staying at the outskirts of makkah. The prophet very often used to go and watch him do his work. A revelation of the qur’an was sufficient to dismiss this charge - the qur’an says in surah an-nahl chapter 16 verse 103:
"we know indeed that they say, ‘it is a man that teaches him,’ the tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is arabic, pure and clear."
[al-qur’an 16:103]
How could a person whose mother tongue was foreign and could hardly speak little but of poor broken arabic be the source of the qur’an which is pure, eloquent, fine arabic? To believe that the blacksmith taught the prophet the qur’an is some what similar to believing that a chinese immigrant to england, who did not know proper english, taught shakespeare.
2. Muhummad (pbuh) learnt from waraqa - the relative of khadijah (ra)
Muhummad’s (pbuh) contacts with the jewish and christian scholars were very limited. The most prominent christian known to him was an old blind man called waraqa ibn-naufal who was a relative of the prophet’s first wife khadijah (r.a.). Although of arab descent, he was a convert to christianity and was very well versed with the new testament. The prophet only met him twice, first when waraqa was worshipping at the kaaba (before the prophetic mission) and he kissed the prophet’s forehead affectionately; the second occasion was when the prophet went to meet waraqa after receiving the first revelation. Waraqa died three years later and the revelation continued for about 23 years. It is ridiculous to assume that waraqa was the source of the contents of the qur’an.
3. Prophet’s religious discussions with the jews and christians
It is true that the prophet did have religious discussions with the jews and christians but they took place in madinah more than 13 years after the revelation of the qur’an had started. The allegation that these jews and christians were the source is perverse, since in these discussions prophet muhammad (pbuh) was performing the roles of a teacher and of a preacher while inviting them to embrace islam and pointing out that they had deviated from their true teachings of monotheism. Several of these jews and christians later embraced islam.
4. The prophet learnt the qur’an from those jews and christians that he met outside arabia




All historical records available show that muhummad (pbuh) had made only three trips outside makkah before his prophethood:

1. At the age of 9 he accompanied his mother to madinah.
2. Between the age of 9 and 12, he accompanied his uncle abu-talib on a business trip to syria.
3. At the age of 25 he led khadija’s caravan to syria.

It is highly imaginary to assume that the qur’an resulted from the occasional chats and meetings with the christians or jews from any of the above three trips.




5. Logical grounds to prove that the prophet did not learn the qur’an from jews or christians

1. The day-to-day life of the prophet was an open book for all to see. In fact a revelation came asking people to give the prophet (pbuh) privacy in his own home. If the prophet had been meeting people who told him what to say as a revelation from god, this would not have been hidden for very long.
2. The extremely prominent quraish nobles who followed the prophet and accepted islam were wise and intelligent men who would have easily noticed anything suspicious about the way in which the prophet brought the revelations to them - more so since the prophetic mission lasted 23 years.
3. The enemies of the prophet kept a close watch on him in order to find proof for their claim that he was a liar - they could not point out even a single instance when the prophet may have had a secret rendezvous with particular jews and christians.
4. It is inconceivable that any human author of the qur’an would have accepted a situation in which he received no credit whatsoever for originating the qur’an.

Thus, historically and logically it cannot be established that there was a human source for the qur’an.
6. Muhummad (pbuh) was an illiterate
The theory that muhummad (pbuh) authored the qur’an or copied from other sources can be disproved by the single historical fact that he was illiterate.
Allah testifies himself in the qur’an
in surah al-ankabut chapter no.29 verse 48
"and thou was not (able) to recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted."
[al-qur’an 29:48]
Allah (swt) knew that many would doubt the authenticity of the qur’an and would ascribe it to prophet muhummad (pbuh). Therefore allah in his divine wisdom chose the last and final messenger to be an ‘ummi’, i.e. Unlettered, so that the talkers of vanity would not then have the slightest justification to doubt the prophet. The accusation of his enemies that he had copied the qur’an from other sources and rehashed it all in a beautiful language might have carried some weight, but even this flimsy pretence has been deprived to the unbeliever and the cynic.
Allah reconfirms in the qur’an in surah al a’raf chapter 7 verse 157:
"those who follow the messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the gospel"
The prophecy of coming of the unlettered prophet (pbuh) is also mentioned in the bible in the book of isaiah chapter 29 verse 12.
"and the book is delivered to him that is not learned."
[isaiah 29:12]
The qur’an testifies in no less than four different places that the prophet (pbuh) was illiterate. It is also mentioned in surah a’raf chapter 7 verse 158 and in surah al-jumu’a chapter 62 verse 2.
7. Arabic version of the bible was not present
The arabic version of the bible was not present at the time of prophet muhummad (pbuh). The earliest arabic version of the old testament is that of r. Saadias gaon of 900 c.e. - more than 250 years after the death of our beloved prophet. The oldest arabic version of the new testament was published by erpenius in 1616 c.e. - about a thousand years after the demise of our prophet.

 

[Zhakir]

8. Similarities in the qur’an and the bible due to common source
Similarities between the qur’an and the bible does not necessarily mean that the former has been copied from the latter. In fact it gives evidence that both of them are based on a common third source; all divine revelations came from the same source - the one universal god. No matter what human changes were introduced into some of these judeo-christian and other older religious scriptures that had distorted their originality, there are some areas that have remained free from distortion and thus are common to many religions.
It is true that there are some similar parallels between the qur’an and the bible but this is not sufficient to accuse muhummad (pbuh) of compiling or copying from the bible. The same logic would then also be applicable to teachings of christianity and judaism and thus one could wrongly claim that jesus (pbuh) was not a genuine prophet (god forbid) and that he simply copied from the old testament.
The similarities between the two signify a common source that is one true god and the continuation of the basic message of monotheism and not that the later prophets have plagiarised from the previous prophets.
If someone copies during an examination he will surely not write in the answer sheet that he has copied from his neighbour or mr. Xyz. Prophet muhummad (pbuh) gave due respect and credit to all the previous prophets (pbut). The qur’an also mentions the various revelations given by almighty god to different prophets.
9. Muslims believe in the taurah, zaboor, injeel and qur’an
Four revelations of allah (swt) are mentioned by name in the qur’an: the taurah, the zaboor, the injeel and the qur’an.
Taurah, the revelation i.e. The wahi given to moosa (a. S.) I.e. Moses (pbuh).
Zaboor, the revelation i.e. The wahi given to dawood (a.s.) I.e. David (pbuh).
Injeel, the revelation i.e. The wahi given to isa (a.s.) ie. Jesus (pbuh).
‘al-qur’an’, the last and final wahi i.e. Revelation given to the last and final messenger muhammad (pbuh).
It is an article of faith for every muslim to believe in all the prophets of god and all revelations of god. However, the present day bible has the first five books of the old testament attributed to moses and the psalms attributed to david. Moreover the new testament or the four gospels of the new testament are not the taurah, the zaboor or the injeel, which the qur’an refers to. These books of the present day bible may partly contain the word of god but these books are certainly not the exact, accurate and complete revelations given to the prophets.
The qur’an presents all the different prophets of allah as belonging to one single brotherhood; all had a similar prophetic mission and the same basic message. Because of this, the fundamental teachings of the major faiths cannot be contradictory, even if there has been a considerable passage of time between the different prophetic missions, because the source of these missions was one: almighty god, allah. This is why the qur’an says that the differences which exist between various religions are not the responsibility of the prophets, but of the followers of these prophets who forgot part of what they had been taught, and furthermore, misinterpreted and changed the scriptures. The qur’an cannot therefore be seen as a scripture which competes with the teachings of moses, jesus and the other prophets. On the contrary, it confirms, completes and perfects the messages that they brought to their people.
Another name for the qur’an is the ‘the furqan’ which means the criteria to judge the right from the wrong, and it is on the basis of the qur’an that we can decipher which part of the previous scriptures can be considered to be the word of god.
10. Scientific comparison between qur’an and bible



If you glance through the bible and the qur’an you may find several points which appear to be exactly the same in both of them, but when you analyse them closely, you realise that there is a difference of ‘chalk and cheese’ between them. Only based on historical details it is difficult for someone who is neither conversant with christianity or islam to come to a firm decision as to which of the scriptures is true; however if you verify the relevant passages of both the scriptures against scientific knowledge, you will yourself realize the truth.

1. Creation of the universe in six days
   as per the bible, in the first book of genesis in chapter one, the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period. Even though the qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘ayyaams’, ‘ayyaam’ is the plural of years; this word has two meanings: firstly, it means a standard twenty-four hours period i.e. A day, and secondly, it also means stage, period or epoch which is a very long period of time.

When the qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘ayyaams’, it refers to the creation of the heavens and the earth in six long periods or epochs; scientists have no objection to this statement. The creation of the universe has taken billions of years, which proves false or contradicts the concept of the bible which states that the creation of the universe took six days of twenty-four hour durations each.

1. Sun created after the day
   the bible says in chapter 1, verses 3-5, of genesis that the phenomenon of day and night was created on the first day of creation of the universe by god. The light circulating in the universe is the result of a complex reaction in the stars; these stars were created according to the bible (genesis chapter 1 verse 14 to 19) on the fourth day. It is illogical to mention the result that is the light (the phenomenon of day and night) was created on the first day of creation when the cause or source of the light was created three days later. Moreover the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceivable after the creation of the earth and its rotation around the sun. In contrast with the contents of the bible on this issue, the qur’an does not give any unscientific sequence of creation. Hence it is absolutely absurd to say that prophet muhummad (pbuh) copied the passages pertaining to the creation of the universe from the bible but missed out this illogical and fantastic sequence of the bible.
2. Creation of the sun, the earth and the moon
   according to the bible, book of genesis, chapter 1, verses 9 to 13, the earth was created on the third day, and as per verses 14 to 19, the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day. The earth and the moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the sun. Hence to place the creation of the sun and the moon after the creation of the earth is contrary to the established idea about the formation of the solar system.
3. Vegetation created on the third day and sun on the fourth day
   according to the bible, book of genesis, chapter 1, verses 11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as has been stated in the bible?

If prophet muhummad (pbuh) was indeed the author of the qur’an and had copied its contents from the bible, how did he manage to avoid the factual errors that the bible contains? The qur’an does not contain any statements which are incompatible with scientific facts.

1. The sun and the moon both emit light
   according to the bible both the sun and the moon emit their own light. In the book of genesis, chapter 1, verse 16 says, "and god made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night".

Science tells us today that the moon does not have its own light. This confirms the qur’anic concept that the light of the moon is a reflected light. To think that 1400 years ago, prophet muhummad (pbuh) corrected these scientific errors in the bible and then copied such corrected passages in the qur’an is to think of something impossible.

 

[Zhakir]

11. Adam (pbuh), the first man on earth, lived 5,800 years ago


As per the genealogy of jesus christ given in the bible, from jesus through abraham (pbuh) to the first man on earth i.e. Adam (pbuh), adam appeared on the earth approximately 5800 years ago:

1. 1948 years between adam (pbuh) and abraham (pbuh)
2. Approximately 1800 years between abraham (pbuh) and jesus (pbuh)
3. 2000 years from jesus (pbuh) till today

These figures are further confused by the fact that the jewish calendar is currently on or about 5800 years old.


There is sufficient evidence from archaeological and anthropological sources to suggest that the first human being on earth was present tens of thousands of years ago and not merely 5,800 years ago as is suggested by the bible.
The qur’an too speaks about adam (pbuh) as the first man on earth but it does not suggest any date or period of his life on earth, unlike the bible - what the bible says in this regard is totally incompatible with science.
12. Noah (pbuh) and the flood
The biblical description of the flood in genesis chapter 6, 7 and 8 indicates that the deluge was universal and it destroyed every living thing on earth, except those present with noah (pbuh) in the ark. The description suggests that the event took place 1656 years after the creation of adam (pbuh) or 292 years before the birth of abraham, at a time when noah (pbuh) was 600 years old. Thus the flood may have occurred in the 21st or 22nd century b.c.
This story of the flood, as given in the bible, contradicts scientific evidence from archaelogical sources which indicate that the eleventh dynasty in egypt and the third dynasty in babylonia were in existence without any break in civilisation and in a manner totally unaffected by any major calamity which may have occurred in the 21st century b.c. this contradicts the biblical story that the whole world had been immersed in the flood water. In contrast to this, the qur’anic presentation of the story of noah and the flood does not conflict with scientific evidence or archaeological data; firstly, the qur’an does not indicate any specific date or year of the occurance of that event, and secondly, according to the qur’an the flood was not a universal phenomenon which destroyed complete life on earth. In fact the qur’an specifically mentions that the flood was a localised event only involving the people of noah.
It is illogical to assume that prophet muhummad (pbuh) had borrowed the story of the flood from the bible and corrected the mistakes before mentioning it in the qur’an.
13. Moses (pbuh) and pharaoh of the exodus
The story of moses (pbuh) and the pharaoh of the exodus are very much identical in the qur’an and the bible. Both scriptures agree that the pharaoh drowned when he tried to pursue moses (pbuh) and led the israelites across a stretch of water that they crossed. The qur’an gives an additional piece of information in surah yunus chapter 10 verse 92:
"this day shall we save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of our signs!"
[al-qur’an 10:92]
Dr. Maurice bucaille, after a thorough research proved that although rameses ii was known to have persecuted the israelites as per the bible, he actually died while moses (pbuh) was taking refuge in median. Rameses ii’s son merneptah who succeeded him as pharaoh drowned during the exodus. In 1898, the mummified body of merneptah was found in the valley of kings in egypt. In 1975, dr. Maurice bucaille with other doctors received permission to examine the mummy of merneptah, the findings of which proved that merneptah probably died from drowning or a violent shock which immediately preceeded the moment of drowning. Thus the qur’anic verse that we shall save his body as a sign, has been fulfilled by the pharaohs’ body being kept at the royal mummies room in the egyptian museum in cairo.
This verse of the qur’an compelled dr. Maurice bucaille, who was a christian then, to study the qur’an. He later wrote a book ‘the bible, the qur’an and science’, and confessed that the author of the qur’an can be no one else besides god himself. Thus he embraced islam.
14. Qur’an is a book from allah
These evidences are sufficient to conclude that the qur’an was not copied from the bible, but that the qur’an is the furqaan - ‘the criteria’ to judge right from wrong and it should be used to decipher which portion of the bible may be considered as the word of god.
The qur’an itself testifies in surah sajda chapter 32 verse 1 to 3
Alif laam meem.
(this is) the revelation of the book in which there is no doubt – from the lord of the worlds.
Or do they say, ‘he has forged it’? Nay, it is the truth from thy lord, that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come before thee: in order that they may receive guidance."
[al-qur’an 32:1-3]

 

[McBell]

Satan does not do anything without Gods permission