The Noble Quran Was Not Written By Satan.

[mohammed_beiruti]

Satan does not do anything without Gods permission

freewill not permission.

 

[McBell]

freewill not permission.

Free will is merely saying that God allows it.

 

[Zhakir]

Free will is merely saying that God allows it.

It didn't happen,we proved to the christians that Quran was not written by Satan from the Bible itself.
You have a free will,Allah allowes you to be non-muslim,allowes to sin,and judges you later.Off topic !.

 

[Kurt31416]

There is only one God.

No pagan Satan-gods.

 

[Azakel]

No pagan Satan-gods.

What an insult to Paganism. Seems you also show your ignorance about where Satan comes from. He a sick twist Christian concept and had nothing to do with Paganism.

 

[Zhakir]

He a sick twist Christian concept and had nothing to do with Paganism.

Sick concept ?! What an insult to the Abrahamic faiths.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "Don't forbid something and then do it,a great shame on you if you do this".

 

[Azakel]

Sick concept ?! What an insult to the Abrahamic faiths.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "Don't forbid something and then do it,a great shame on you if you do this".

No it's not. I'm not insulting Judaism which starts all your religions off. Ha-Satan is an Angel of god that in Judaism(as no freewill), and does what he say. Christians Satan just twist him to be some Fallen Angel who wants to destroy the world, and Islam just turns him into a Jinn to get around the fact that he was an Angel in Judaism and in Islam Angels don't have freewill(please correct me on that[angels in Islam] if I'm wrong)

 

[Fatihah]

No it's not. I'm not insulting Judaism which starts all your religions off. Ha-Satan is an Angel of god that in Judaism(as no freewill), and does what he say. Christians Satan just twist him to be some Fallen Angel who wants to destroy the world, and Islam just turns him into a Jinn to get around the fact that he was an Angel in Judaism and in Islam Angels don't have freewill(please correct me on that[angels in Islam] if I'm wrong)

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof? Where's the proof that Satan in islam is an angel in judaism?

 

[McBell]

It didn't happen,we proved to the christians that Quran was not written by Satan from the Bible itself.

If you say so.

You have a free will,Allah allowes you to be non-muslim,allowes to sin,and judges you later.Off topic !.

In order to have free will, an all powerful deity must allow you to do things contrary to his will.


I agree, it is off topic.
Any comment on the rest of your post would be counter productive to this thread.

 

[McBell]

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof? Where's the proof that Satan in islam is an angel in judaism?

Perhaps you missed the part where he said "correct me if I am wrong"?

If you think he is wrong, how about pointing it out?

 

[Azakel]

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof? Where's the proof that Satan in islam is an angel in judaism?

Satan is an Angel in Judaism.
Does Judaism Believe in Satan?
Question 12.35: What does Judaism believe about Satan?
Here are two sources of the Jewish Angel Ha-Satan(aka Satan).
I think think if you are going to claim that your religion is an off shoot of another older religion you should know something about that older religion.
Oh and those two sources I do believe are written by people who Follow the Jewish faith.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

11. Adam (pbuh), the first man on earth, lived 5,800 years ago



As per the genealogy of jesus christ given in the bible, from jesus through abraham (pbuh) to the first man on earth i.e. Adam (pbuh), adam appeared on the earth approximately 5800 years ago:

1. 1948 years between adam (pbuh) and abraham (pbuh)
2. Approximately 1800 years between abraham (pbuh) and jesus (pbuh)
3. 2000 years from jesus (pbuh) till today

These figures are further confused by the fact that the jewish calendar is currently on or about 5800 years old.


There is sufficient evidence from archaeological and anthropological sources to suggest that the first human being on earth was present tens of thousands of years ago and not merely 5,800 years ago as is suggested by the bible.
The qur’an too speaks about adam (pbuh) as the first man on earth but it does not suggest any date or period of his life on earth, unlike the bible - what the bible says in this regard is totally incompatible with science.
12. Noah (pbuh) and the flood
The biblical description of the flood in genesis chapter 6, 7 and 8 indicates that the deluge was universal and it destroyed every living thing on earth, except those present with noah (pbuh) in the ark. The description suggests that the event took place 1656 years after the creation of adam (pbuh) or 292 years before the birth of abraham, at a time when noah (pbuh) was 600 years old. Thus the flood may have occurred in the 21st or 22nd century b.c.
This story of the flood, as given in the bible, contradicts scientific evidence from archaelogical sources which indicate that the eleventh dynasty in egypt and the third dynasty in babylonia were in existence without any break in civilisation and in a manner totally unaffected by any major calamity which may have occurred in the 21st century b.c. this contradicts the biblical story that the whole world had been immersed in the flood water. In contrast to this, the qur’anic presentation of the story of noah and the flood does not conflict with scientific evidence or archaeological data; firstly, the qur’an does not indicate any specific date or year of the occurance of that event, and secondly, according to the qur’an the flood was not a universal phenomenon which destroyed complete life on earth. In fact the qur’an specifically mentions that the flood was a localised event only involving the people of noah.
It is illogical to assume that prophet muhummad (pbuh) had borrowed the story of the flood from the bible and corrected the mistakes before mentioning it in the qur’an.
13. Moses (pbuh) and pharaoh of the exodus
The story of moses (pbuh) and the pharaoh of the exodus are very much identical in the qur’an and the bible. Both scriptures agree that the pharaoh drowned when he tried to pursue moses (pbuh) and led the israelites across a stretch of water that they crossed. The qur’an gives an additional piece of information in surah yunus chapter 10 verse 92:
"this day shall we save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of our signs!"
[al-qur’an 10:92]
Dr. Maurice bucaille, after a thorough research proved that although rameses ii was known to have persecuted the israelites as per the bible, he actually died while moses (pbuh) was taking refuge in median. Rameses ii’s son merneptah who succeeded him as pharaoh drowned during the exodus. In 1898, the mummified body of merneptah was found in the valley of kings in egypt. In 1975, dr. Maurice bucaille with other doctors received permission to examine the mummy of merneptah, the findings of which proved that merneptah probably died from drowning or a violent shock which immediately preceeded the moment of drowning. Thus the qur’anic verse that we shall save his body as a sign, has been fulfilled by the pharaohs’ body being kept at the royal mummies room in the egyptian museum in cairo.
This verse of the qur’an compelled dr. Maurice bucaille, who was a christian then, to study the qur’an. He later wrote a book ‘the bible, the qur’an and science’, and confessed that the author of the qur’an can be no one else besides god himself. Thus he embraced islam.
14. Qur’an is a book from allah
These evidences are sufficient to conclude that the qur’an was not copied from the bible, but that the qur’an is the furqaan - ‘the criteria’ to judge right from wrong and it should be used to decipher which portion of the bible may be considered as the word of god.
The qur’an itself testifies in surah sajda chapter 32 verse 1 to 3
Alif laam meem.
(this is) the revelation of the book in which there is no doubt – from the lord of the worlds.
Or do they say, ‘he has forged it’? Nay, it is the truth from thy lord, that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come before thee: in order that they may receive guidance."
[al-qur’an 32:1-3]

Zhakir you asked me to come comment on your thread via private message. I did so, and instead of a respectable dialog, you have posted these long preaching sermons to me. Is that what you call dialog?

How can I read all of that and respond?

I think you owe me an apology. I am not one of the critics that think Mohammed copied anything. I never said that, so why wasite all that time responding to me with that stuff?

I simply believe because the Quran says Jesus is not the son of God, that is good enough for me to not believe in the Quran.

I thought we could have an adult like conversation, but you need to learn not to preach to people and post 3 long posts in a row and think you are doing good.

I am willing to try again with you, but you have to be more respectful.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

And anyone who is reasonable, and honest, will agree that there are many discrepancies and disturbances in the bible.

Fatihah, your reply was respectful and honest from your heart. For that I thank you.

This last statement you made, I don't agree with, but respect your position.

As mentioned earlier I did not respond to Zhakir so that I could get into an argument about who was right and who was wrong. I made some observations, of which you made a polite and honest reply. Zhakir on the other hand went to the extreme and posts three long posts back to me, which was uncalled for and was not relevant to what I had posted. It seems he did not want to talk but rather show me how I was wrong.

Again I can't stress how impressed I was by your reply, not because I agree with all of it, but because you contained the post to your opinion without attacking me. Thank you.

 

[McBell]

The bible alone is by far the most contridicting and disturbing book I have ever read.... ... And anyone who is reasonable, and honest, will agree that there are many discrepancies and disturbances in the bible.

I see lots of words, but where's the proof?

 

[Fatihah]

Satan is an Angel in Judaism.
Does Judaism Believe in Satan?
Question 12.35: What does Judaism believe about Satan?
Here are two sources of the Jewish Angel Ha-Satan(aka Satan).
I think think if you are going to claim that your religion is an off shoot of another older religion you should know something about that older religion.
Oh and those two sources I do believe are written by people who Follow the Jewish faith.

Response: What do you mean when you say,

"I think think if you are going to claim that your religion is an off shoot of another older religion you should know something about that older religion."?

The teaching of the qur'an is that islam is the very first religion, not an offshoot of another religion.

 

[Zhakir]

Of course i apolagize if i harmed your feelings,I believe we should be respectful.
The truth is that we Muslims find this wrong and disrespecting:

The Quran is used often to interpret the bible. In fact MANY things in the Quran would make no sense at all if the bible did not exist. So by this, I know the Quran is not able to stand own its own two feet. The bible however need no other book for anything.

1.I proved it wrong anyway in these 3 postes in page 2, so your response to what Fatihah said doesn't hold up.

2.The same reason whatever it is that made you think Quran is written by satan would make think the Bible is too,as you claim the Quran can't stand on its own feet without the Bible (That is what i proved wrong).

3."And if satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end."
Satan's house falls,now we are talking about a claimed satan who rose up against himself
You said Quran still stands
If satan wrote it,then how could he stand (as he can't no matter what ) ? Mark 3:26 said he cannot stand.

 

[McBell]

The teaching of the qur'an is that islam is the very first religion, not an offshoot of another religion.

I do not recall anyone in the Bible stopping and turning towards Mecca to pray three times a day...

Perhaps you would be so kind as to point them out for us?

 

[Fatihah]

I see lots of words, but where's the proof?

Response: Still trolling?

 

[McBell]

Response: Still trolling?

Are you going to answer the question?

 

[Fatihah]

Zhakir you asked me to come comment on your thread via private message. I did so, and instead of a respectable dialog, you have posted these long preaching sermons to me. Is that what you call dialog?

How can I read all of that and respond?

I think you owe me an apology. I am not one of the critics that think Mohammed copied anything. I never said that, so why wasite all that time responding to me with that stuff?

I simply believe because the Quran says Jesus is not the son of God, that is good enough for me to not believe in the Quran.

I thought we could have an adult like conversation, but you need to learn not to preach to people and post 3 long posts in a row and think you are doing good.

I am willing to try again with you, but you have to be more respectful.

Response: I do not agree with calling his response disrespectful. For he never used slander or raised his tone in his response. I believe you want to say that the post was to long and posed to many questions which was too much for you to handle at one time and you would prefer a more simplified version. I myself do not like to respond to lengthy posts of many questions and assertions either. But there was nothing disrespectful and Zhakir is never disrespectful.