The Noble Quran Was Not Written By Satan.

[YmirGF]

I`m not saying Satan did write the Koran but..

Are you seriously stating that your evidence that Satan DIDN`T write the Koran is the Koran itself?

You theists are so cute.

'Tis a bit of a head-scratch, ain't it?

 

[McBell]

'Tis a bit of a head-scratch, ain't it?

What I find comical is that one muslim even went so far as to state that you cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible, but then turns right around, IN THE SAME POST, and uses the koran to prove the koran.

 

[EtuMalku]

Yes,EtuMalku said nothing but lies,misleading lies.Anyone would ask why didn't EtuMalku put the translation of Sura an-Najm 53:19-22,and why did he showed only the Arabic text in an English forum where most of the people can't read Arabic.
The answer is to lie and attribute wrong claims to the Quran Sura an-Najm 53.
Copied it probably, from another misleading source and paste it here.
1.the translation is (Yusuf Ali) for 53:19-22
Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,And another, the third (goddess), Manat?What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!
The Arab pagans were used to attribute what they dislike to Allah (swt), a thing they disliked is to have daughters, many of them used kill their daughters after birth.they also used to attribute daughters to Allah (swt) who has no children or consort,Allah (swt) condems the killing and hating of daughters in several places in the Quran.
16:58-60
And they assign daughters for Allah! - Glory be to Him! - and for themselves (sons,- the issue) they desire!When news is brought to one of them, of (the birth of) a female (child), his face darkens, and he is filled with inward grief!With shame does he hide himself from his people, because of the bad news he has had! Shall he retain it on (sufferance and) contempt,or bury it in the dust? Ah! what an evil (choice) they decide on?To those who believe not in the Hereafter, applies the similitude of evil: to Allah applies the highest similitude: for He is theExalted in Power, full of Wisdom.
81:8-9
When the female (infant), buried alive, is questioned -For what crime she was killed;
43:16-17
What! has He taken daughters out of what He himself creates, and granted to you sons for choice ? When news is brought to one of them of (the birth of) what he sets up as a likeness to (Allah) Most Gracious, his face darkens, and he isfilled with inward grief!
Attributing disliked things to Allah (swt) is what 53:21-22 condems and speak about.
He didn't show the translation because it has nothing to do with this.

EtuMalku, please check the sources where you get this frustrated claims.
Read the thread before puting them here,we have talked about this allegations and the response to them are found in this very thread Page 4 Post 17-19.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1661204-post17.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1661206-post18.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1661207-post19.html

Just putting it our there for discussion: don't hunt me down like you did Rushdie . . ok? :bow:

I would be more than happy to hear any explanations in regard to this matter.

The complete text of Muhammad's episode with Satan is found in writings of the most ancient Muslim historian, Ibn Ishaq.2 The text follows with its footnotes. (T. is an abbreviation for the Muslim historian, at-Tabari.)

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(T. Now the apostle was anxious for the welfare of his people, wishing to attract them as ‎far as he could. It has been mentioned that he longed for a way to attract them, and the method he ‎adopted is what Ibn Hamid told me that Salama said M. b. Ishaq told him from Yazid b. Ziyad of ‎Medina from M. b. Ka'b al-Qurazi: When the apostle saw that his people turned their backs on ‎him and he was pained by their estrangement from what he brought them from God he longed ‎that there should come to him from God a message that would reconcile his people to him. ‎Because of his love for his people and his anxiety over them it would delight him if the obstacle ‎that made his task so difficult could be removed; so that he meditated on the project and longed ‎for it and it was dear to him. Then God sent down 'By the star when it sets your comrade errs not ‎and is not deceived, he speaks not from his own desire,' and when he reached His words 'Have ‎you thought of al-Lat and al-'Uzza and Manat the third, the other',‎ 5 Satan, when he was ‎meditating upon it, and desiring to bring it

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(sc. reconciliation) to his people, put upon his tongue ‎‎'these are the exalted Gharaniq 1 ‎whose intercession is approved.' 2 When Quraysh heard that, ‎they were delighted and greatly pleased at the way in which he spoke of their gods and they ‎listened to him; while the believers were holding that what their prophet brought them from their ‎Lord was true, not suspecting a mistake or a vain desire or a slip, and when he reached the ‎prostration ‎3 and the end of the Sura in which he prostrated himself the Muslims prostrated ‎themselves when their prophet prostrated confirming what he brought and obeying his command, ‎and the polytheists of Quraysh and others who were in the mosque prostrated when they heard ‎the mention of their gods, so that everyone in the mosque believer and unbeliever prostrated, ‎except al-Walid b. al-Mughira who was an old man who could not do so, so he took a handful of ‎dirt from the valley and bent over it. Then the people dispersed and Quraysh went out, delighted ‎at what had been said about their gods, saying, 'Muhammad has spoken of our gods in splendid ‎fashion. He alleged in what he read that they are the exalted Gharaniq whose intercession is ‎approved.'‎
The news reached the prophet's companions who were in Abyssinia, it being reported that ‎Quraysh had accepted Islam, so some men started to return while others remained behind. Then ‎Gabriel came to the apostle and said, 'What have you done, Muhammad? You have read to these ‎people something I did not bring you from God and you have said what He did not say to you. ‎The apostle was bitterly grieved and was greatly in fear of God. So God sent down (a revelation), ‎for He was merciful to him, comforting him and making light of the affair and telling him that ‎every prophet and apostle before him desired as he desired and wanted what he wanted and Satan ‎interjected something into his desires as he had on his tongue. So God annulled what Satan had ‎suggested and God established His verses i.e. you are just like the prophets and apostles. Then ‎God sent down: 'We have not sent a prophet or apostle before you but when he longed Satan cast ‎suggestions into his longing. But God will annul what Satan has suggested. Then God will ‎establish his verses, God being knowing and wise.' ‎4 Thus God relieved his prophet's grief, and ‎made him feel safe from his fears and annulled what Satan had suggested in the words used ‎above about their gods by his revelation 'Are yours the males and His the females? That were ‎indeed an unfair division' (i.e. most unjust); 'they are nothing but names which your fathers gave ‎them as far as the words 'to whom he pleases and accepts',‎5‎ i.e. how can the intercession of their ‎gods avail with Him?‎
When the annulment of what Satan had put upon the prophet's tongue

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came from God, ‎Quraysh said: 'Muhammad has repented of what he said about the position of your gods with ‎Allah, altered it and brought something else.' Now those two words which Satan had put upon ‎the apostle's tongue were in the mouth of every polytheist and they became more violently ‎hostile to the Muslims and the apostle's followers. Meanwhile those of his companions who had ‎left Abyssinia when they heard that the people of Mecca had accepted Islam when they ‎prostrated themselves with the apostle, heard when they approached Mecca that the report was ‎false and none came into the town without the promise of protection or secretly. Of those who ‎did come into Mecca and stayed there until he migrated to Medina and were present at Badr with ‎him was 'Uthman b. 'Affan . . . with his wife Ruqayya d. of the apostle and Abu Hudhayfa b. ‎‎'Utba with his wife Sahla d. of Suhayl, and a number of others, in all thirty-three men.‎ ‎1

 

[Fatihah]

Just putting it our there for discussion: don't hunt me down like you did Rushdie . . ok? :bow:

I would be more than happy to hear any explanations in regard to this matter.

The complete text of Muhammad's episode with Satan is found in writings of the most ancient Muslim historian, Ibn Ishaq.2 The text follows with its footnotes. (T. is an abbreviation for the Muslim historian, at-Tabari.)

The Life of Muhammad​

165​

(T. Now the apostle was anxious for the welfare of his people, wishing to attract them as far as he could. It has been mentioned that he longed for a way to attract them, and the method he adopted is what Ibn Hamid told me that Salama said M. b. Ishaq told him from Yazid b. Ziyad of Medina from M. b. Ka'b al-Qurazi: When the apostle saw that his people turned their backs on him and he was pained by their estrangement from what he brought them from God he longed that there should come to him from God a message that would reconcile his people to him. Because of his love for his people and his anxiety over them it would delight him if the obstacle that made his task so difficult could be removed; so that he meditated on the project and longed for it and it was dear to him. Then God sent down 'By the star when it sets your comrade errs not and is not deceived, he speaks not from his own desire,' and when he reached His words 'Have you thought of al-Lat and al-'Uzza and Manat the third, the other', 5 Satan, when he was meditating upon it, and desiring to bring it

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(sc. reconciliation) to his people, put upon his tongue 'these are the exalted Gharaniq 1 whose intercession is approved.' 2 When Quraysh heard that, they were delighted and greatly pleased at the way in which he spoke of their gods and they listened to him; while the believers were holding that what their prophet brought them from their Lord was true, not suspecting a mistake or a vain desire or a slip, and when he reached the prostration 3 and the end of the Sura in which he prostrated himself the Muslims prostrated themselves when their prophet prostrated confirming what he brought and obeying his command, and the polytheists of Quraysh and others who were in the mosque prostrated when they heard the mention of their gods, so that everyone in the mosque believer and unbeliever prostrated, except al-Walid b. al-Mughira who was an old man who could not do so, so he took a handful of dirt from the valley and bent over it. Then the people dispersed and Quraysh went out, delighted at what had been said about their gods, saying, 'Muhammad has spoken of our gods in splendid fashion. He alleged in what he read that they are the exalted Gharaniq whose intercession is approved.'
The news reached the prophet's companions who were in Abyssinia, it being reported that Quraysh had accepted Islam, so some men started to return while others remained behind. Then Gabriel came to the apostle and said, 'What have you done, Muhammad? You have read to these people something I did not bring you from God and you have said what He did not say to you. The apostle was bitterly grieved and was greatly in fear of God. So God sent down (a revelation), for He was merciful to him, comforting him and making light of the affair and telling him that every prophet and apostle before him desired as he desired and wanted what he wanted and Satan interjected something into his desires as he had on his tongue. So God annulled what Satan had suggested and God established His verses i.e. you are just like the prophets and apostles. Then God sent down: 'We have not sent a prophet or apostle before you but when he longed Satan cast suggestions into his longing. But God will annul what Satan has suggested. Then God will establish his verses, God being knowing and wise.' 4 Thus God relieved his prophet's grief, and made him feel safe from his fears and annulled what Satan had suggested in the words used above about their gods by his revelation 'Are yours the males and His the females? That were indeed an unfair division' (i.e. most unjust); 'they are nothing but names which your fathers gave them as far as the words 'to whom he pleases and accepts',5 i.e. how can the intercession of their gods avail with Him?
When the annulment of what Satan had put upon the prophet's tongue

The Life of Muhammad​

167​

came from God, Quraysh said: 'Muhammad has repented of what he said about the position of your gods with Allah, altered it and brought something else.' Now those two words which Satan had put upon the apostle's tongue were in the mouth of every polytheist and they became more violently hostile to the Muslims and the apostle's followers. Meanwhile those of his companions who had left Abyssinia when they heard that the people of Mecca had accepted Islam when they prostrated themselves with the apostle, heard when they approached Mecca that the report was false and none came into the town without the promise of protection or secretly. Of those who did come into Mecca and stayed there until he migrated to Medina and were present at Badr with him was 'Uthman b. 'Affan . . . with his wife Ruqayya d. of the apostle and Abu Hudhayfa b. 'Utba with his wife Sahla d. of Suhayl, and a number of others, in all thirty-three men. 1

Response: The understanding of islam comes from the qur'an and the sunnah, (The hadith collection of Bukhari and Muslim). The whole entire episode you've just described is no where to be found in either the qur'an or sunnah. Thus the whole episode has nothing to do with islam.

 

[Azakel]

Well satan was the father of lies and was an angel once....

Not that I believe in such a figure but if I did, I'd have to assume he'd outsmart everyone by creating controversy < <

Yeah but only in Christianity. In Judaism Satan is still an Angel and isn't the father of anything. And even still the Pagan gods where around long then Satan, so I really don't see how he created controversy. The early Christian father(or who every the creator of the modern Satan concept is) is the Father of Lies and created all the damn controversy.

 

[EtuMalku]

Response: The understanding of islam comes from the qur'an and the sunnah, (The hadith collection of Bukhari and Muslim). The whole entire episode you've just described is no where to be found in either the qur'an or sunnah. Thus the whole episode has nothing to do with islam.

This Ibn Ishaq & at-Tabari were they not Muslim scholars and the earliest historians of Muhammad?

I thought the verses in question were taken out and replaced by other verses because Muhammad was tricked into citing them by Satan?

I am not saying the book was written by or inspired by Satan and I am not saying the book contains anything Satanic.

Perhaps I am confused and need this explained to me clearer

 

[Fatihah]

This Ibn Ishaq & at-Tabari were they not Muslim scholars and the earliest historians of Muhammad?

I thought the verses in question were taken out and replaced by other verses because Muhammad was tricked into citing them by Satan?

I am not saying the book was written by or inspired by Satan and I am not saying the book contains anything Satanic.

Perhaps I am confused and need this explained to me clearer

Response: The incident never took place. Ibn Ishaq is a respected scholar. But the account, just like at-Tabari, was recorded off of heresay and was never accepted and proven as authentic. The scholars themselves even testify to this. Neither Tabari or Ibn Ishaq have ever said that the story is true. Tabari himself says in the beginning of his own hadith collection that he only records what he hears. So if any is proven wrong, do not hold him accountable, for it is his own opinion.

When the hadiths are collected, within them are authentic hadiths as well as fabricated. Those that are authentic are separated by scholars from the unauthentic and can be found in the collection of Bukhari and Muslim as authentic hadiths. The story of the Satanic verses was in the collection of many hadiths. When spotted, it was rejected and proven to be false.

However, those who propogate against islam wish to use this fabrication to discredit the qur'an.

 

[EtuMalku]

Fair enough and I thank you for clearing this up.
Would it be fair to say that Rushdie's book did not help the situation?

 

[Fatihah]

Fair enough and I thank you for clearing this up.
Would it be fair to say that Rushdie's book did not help the situation?

Response: Indeed.

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

Well of course it was not written by Satan. Satan doesnt exist. It was written by mankind.

But lets assume the context to be the one you believe in.

Just stating in a book that it was not Satan who did it doesnt mean it was so.
Satan himself could have inserted the passage. He also could have inserted the other ones. Telling people to seek refugee with god doesnt mean that he actually meant it seriously. It could just as well be a disguise. Just as it could be that it was written knowing that the refugee will not be given since God perhaps doesnt act in this world in the first place or not for believers in a false religion (in case islam is one).

Your reasoning is inconclusive.

You seem to think that a book by Satan MUST show to be one by him.
Yet as we all can see according to islam the bible has been altered by man (influenced by satan partially) and still all christians believe it. This alone should show you your error.

 

[McBell]

Well of course it was not written by Satan. Satan doesnt exist. It was written by mankind.

But lets assume the context to be the one you believe in.

Just stating in a book that it was not Satan who did it doesnt mean it was so.
Satan himself could have inserted the passage. He also could have inserted the other ones. Telling people to seek refugee with god doesnt mean that he actually meant it seriously. It could just as well be a disguise. Just as it could be that it was written knowing that the refugee will not be given since God perhaps doesnt act in this world in the first place or not for believers in a false religion (in case islam is one).

Your reasoning is inconclusive.

You seem to think that a book by Satan MUST show to be one by him.
Yet as we all can see according to islam the bible has been altered by man (influenced by satan partially) and still all christians believe it. This alone should show you your error.

Agreed.
So many people want to say that Satan is the father of lies, yet cannot seem to grasp in how many ways a lie can be presented.

 

[averageJOE]

Well of course it was not written by Satan. Satan doesnt exist. It was written by mankind.

But lets assume the context to be the one you believe in.

Just stating in a book that it was not Satan who did it doesnt mean it was so.
Satan himself could have inserted the passage. He also could have inserted the other ones. Telling people to seek refugee with god doesnt mean that he actually meant it seriously. It could just as well be a disguise. Just as it could be that it was written knowing that the refugee will not be given since God perhaps doesnt act in this world in the first place or not for believers in a false religion (in case islam is one).

Your reasoning is inconclusive.

You seem to think that a book by Satan MUST show to be one by him.
Yet as we all can see according to islam the bible has been altered by man (influenced by satan partially) and still all christians believe it. This alone should show you your error.

I think this is an important point that was brought up. One that I agree with.

I've argued this possibility before with Christians. Satan, the Father and Master of Lies, created these books, the Bible and/or Quran, to decieve people into putting all their faith into a false God. Maybe these books are his main tools. After all, Satan probably knows God better than any human ever could. Another thing to remember is that these books were written by humans. Humans that could have possibly been decieved by Satan.

 

[Fatihah]

Well of course it was not written by Satan. Satan doesnt exist. It was written by mankind.

But lets assume the context to be the one you believe in.

Just stating in a book that it was not Satan who did it doesnt mean it was so.
Satan himself could have inserted the passage. He also could have inserted the other ones. Telling people to seek refugee with god doesnt mean that he actually meant it seriously. It could just as well be a disguise. Just as it could be that it was written knowing that the refugee will not be given since God perhaps doesnt act in this world in the first place or not for believers in a false religion (in case islam is one).

Your reasoning is inconclusive.

You seem to think that a book by Satan MUST show to be one by him.
Yet as we all can see according to islam the bible has been altered by man (influenced by satan partially) and still all christians believe it. This alone should show you your error.

Response: To the contrary, Satan states what leads to evil. Whether directly or indirectly, whether portrayed as nice or not, it should lead to no good. So the statement of seeking refuge in Allah(God) is actual proof that it is not from Satan because following God does not lead to evil. Therefore, the statement is in fact actual proof that the qur'an was not written by Satan.

 

[averageJOE]

Response: To the contrary, Satan states what leads to evil. Whether directly or indirectly, whether portrayed as nice or not, it should lead to no good. So the statement of seeking refuge in Allah(God) is actual proof that it is not from Satan because following God does not lead to evil. Therefore, the statement is in fact actual proof that the qur'an was not written by Satan.

However, what if Allah is a false god that Satan tricked you into seeking refuge in? Therefore he "indirectly" lead you to evil. He is the master and father of lies, is he not?

 

[McBell]

He is the master and father of lies, is he not?

I do find it interesting how some people will build Satan up onto some really really high pedestal of lieing infamy but then think that they are somehow immune to his lies....

 

[Fatihah]

However, what if Allah is a false god that Satan tricked you into seeking refuge in? Therefore he "indirectly" lead you to evil. He is the master and father of lies, is he not?

Response: Then one would have to prove that Allah(swt) is an actual false God who leads to evil. Then we can say that the qur'an is written by Satan according to that statement. However, there is no proof of such case. Secondly, all of the commandments in the qur'an which are stated by Allah are actually good, so this again would show that the qur'an was not written by Satan because he does not direct people to righteousness.

 

[averageJOE]

Response: Then one would have to prove that Allah(swt) is an actual false God who leads to evil. Then we can say that the qur'an is written by Satan according to that statement. However, there is no proof of such case.

What if the quran itself is the proof. It was written by man after all.

Secondly, all of the commandments in the qur'an which are stated by Allah are actually good, so this again would show that the qur'an was not written by Satan because he does not direct people to righteousness.

That doesn't show anything. All I'm saying is that isn't it POSSIBLE that the righteousness that you speak of is a lie that Satan came up with to direct people away from the REAL God? Like Mestimia said what makes you think that the Quran is immune from Satan's lies?

 

[Fatihah]

However, what if Allah is a false god that Satan tricked you into seeking refuge in? Therefore he "indirectly" lead you to evil. He is the master and father of lies, is he not?

Response: True. However, such is not the case and there is no proof to the contrary.

 

[gnostic]

I have to agree with Zhakir's OP with regards to his assertion that the Qur'an being not written by Satan, but for different reason.

Why? ...you may ask.

Because I don't believed in the existence in Satan. There's no such being as Satan.

And for the same reason, I don't think Qur'an was written by God or his angel Gabriel, because neither of these two exist too.

The Qur'an, like the bible, and all other scriptures around the world, were written by men. Composed by god, angel or satan? I think not.

I just think that Muhammad was an opportunistic man, who seek power for his own benefits, and found this power in manipulating 2 religions that already exist, to suit the Arab mentality.

Is Muhammad a prophet? Yes, he is. He is a prophet for Islam. But I don't have respect for prophets of any sort, especially when they claim to have the voice of God's will, or sits on God's right hand side, or being the last prophet, or whatever BS that people make up, just to puff their own ego about their own religion. Yes, he is prophet for mythological being (whether his name being Allah or Yahweh), that have no more relevance in the real world than Zeus, Odin and Braham.

 

[EtuMalku]

I would have to agree also, all god(s), demons, angels etc. are constructs of the mind.
But I would venture to say that the three Abrahamic religions has caused more death & suffering in the World than anything their manufactured Satan has ever done.