The Noble Quran Was Not Written By Satan.

[Zhakir]

No it's not. I'm not insulting Judaism which starts all your religions off. Ha-Satan is an Angel of god that in Judaism(as no freewill), and does what he say. Christians Satan just twist him to be some Fallen Angel who wants to destroy the world, and Islam just turns him into a Jinn to get around the fact that he was an Angel in Judaism and in Islam Angels don't have freewill(please correct me on that[angels in Islam] if I'm wrong)

Yes you are wrong there are Muslim jinns and Satan humans.
No matter what calling it a Sick concept is insulting.
Dou think you can you can command people not insult your faiths and at the same time you want to be allowed insult the other's faiths.
Let me remind you that this is bad and a great shame.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "Don't forbid something and then do it,a great shame on you if you do this".

 

[Azakel]

Response: What do you mean when you say,

"I think think if you are going to claim that your religion is an off shoot of another older religion you should know something about that older religion."?

The teaching of the qur'an is that islam is the very first religion, not an offshoot of another religion.

What I mean is that Islam claims both Jewish and Christian Prophets right? Yet you claim that they Follow Islam, how can that be, they don't worship the same way that you in Islam do. Hell the Jewish Prophet(or even Judaism today) don't worship the way Christianity does, and yet they are an off shoot. Off shoots usually take things from the past religions and change them to fit there few. Islam is just an Off Shoot of the 2 former Monotheist religions.

 

[Azakel]

No matter what calling it a Sick concept is insulting.

Sure what every, yet the fact that Christianity still considers Satan a Fallen twisted Angel, show that they don't know there Forerunner religion well(or at lest makes them seem like they don't), by making something into something it's not. It's an Insult it your Forerunner and would that not be an Insult to your god?

Dou think you can you can command people not insult your faiths and at the same time you want to be allowed insult the other's faiths.

Please read what I said, I never command him to not insult my believes, all I did was call him out an his ignorance about it. Nor did I insult his faith by calling it sick and twist, all I said was that the concept of Satan in Christianity is a sick and twist version of an Angel of god for there forerunner religion.

 

[Fatihah]

What I mean is that Islam claims both Jewish and Christian Prophets right? Yet you claim that they Follow Islam, how can that be, they don't worship the same way that you in Islam do. Hell the Jewish Prophet(or even Judaism today) don't worship the way Christianity does, and yet they are an off shoot. Off shoots usually take things from the past religions and change them to fit there few. Islam is just an Off Shoot of the 2 former Monotheist religions.

Response: But even jews and christians do not worship the same way as their own prophets do. So to call them jewish or christian prophets does not work as well. "Muslim", means "one who submits their will to Allah", which is what all prophets did. So by definition, they are muslims and followers of islam.

As far as their ways of worship, the muslims resemble their way more so than both judaism and christianity. So islam could not be copying judaism or christianity because both judaism and christianity do not practice the prophets ways of worship despite the fact that it's mentioned in their holy books.

If we look at the examples of the prophets, like Jesus and Moses, we see that the way they pray in the tanakh and the bible is similar to the salaat(prayer) of muslims. Even the jews and christians of today do not follow this example, though their own prophets have. Thus this is another example of Islam taught in the tanakh and the bible.

In the book of numbers 20:6, we read:

"And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the Lord appeared upon them."

Above we read that Moses and Aaron fell upon their faces when they entered the tabernacle to worship God. I'm asking the question, how did they fall on their faces? From a fall? Not at all. They fell on their faces in the same manner we muslims fall upon ours in salaat through a prostration called "sajdah".

The prophet Moses even made "wudhu". This is the cleansing that muslims do before prayer. In the book of Exodus 40:31-32, we read:

"And Moses and Aaron and his sons washed their hands and their feet thereat:
When they went into the tent of the congregation, and when they came near unto the alter, they washed; as the Lord commanded Moses."

So to say that muslims worship differently is not true. We worship the same way as the prophets.

 

[Zhakir]

all I said was that the concept of Satan in Christianity is a sick and twist version of an Angel of god for there forerunner religion.

Now you edit what you said,this is good.
Next time be careful and watch your language your are not alone here.

 

[Azakel]

Now you edit what you said,this is good.
Next time be careful and watch your language your are not alone here.

I didn't edit anything I said. If you look at the first post I made in this thread there is no "this post was last edit" saying in the vary bottom. All I have done is explained what I was saying. Nothing has changed.

 

[Zhakir]

First:

What an insult to Paganism. Seems you also show your ignorance about where Satan comes from. He a sick twist Christian concept and had nothing to do with Paganism.

This is what you said earlier in the first post.
Then:

I didn't edit anything I said. If you look at the first post I made in this thread there is no "this post was last edit" saying in the vary bottom. All I have done is explained what I was saying. Nothing has changed
all I said was that the concept of Satan in Christianity is a sick and twist version of an Angel of god for there forerunner religion. .

Seems like an edit to me,so show respect to others, as you want your faiths to be respected others want,and watch your language.

 

[Kurt31416]

There is no God but God.

Those that believe in multiple gods, satan gods, jinn gods, angel gods are every bit as pagan as the ancient Norse, Greek, or Egyptian polytheistic gods. They all have a head god a creator god too.

 

[elisheba]

The Muslims obey the Bible the best..but they do not obey everything in it.
The Jews obey many things in the Bible but they do not embrace their cousins - the descendants of YishmaEL.
The Christians stress love and forgiveness but they are afraid of the commandments and are extreme in their opinion of rabbi Jesus - elevating him to the Creator status instead of high priest. The high priests of ancient times also symbolicly bore the sins of the people. He might be called king of the Jews, but he is not king of the universe. It is absolutely no disrespect to him either. It is disrespectful to do something with his name and memory which he himself would never do.

 

[Azakel]

There is no God but God.

That is your Opinion nothing more.

Those that believe in multiple gods

Lets stop here for a sec.

satan gods, jinn gods, angel gods are every bit as pagan

How is this, there is no Satan god, jinn, god, or Angel gods, so this makes no sense.

back to the(Those that believe in multiple gods)as the ancient Norse, Greek, or Egyptian polytheistic gods.

Of course there all Pagan, do you even no what you're talking about? I doubt it.

They all have a head god a creator god too.

Well you have at lest got one thing right. But here's the thing. the Creator gods within Pagan religion never claim the be the only god deserving of worship nor do they demand it like you god does.
Not time you what to talk about someone else religion, know something about it.

 

[Kurt31416]

That is your Opinion nothing more.

Well, it's quite a bit more. Anything else is quickly demonstrated as superstition from the viewpoint of science. Not a good sign historically.

How is this, there is no Satan god, jinn, god, or Angel gods, so this makes no sense.

Oh, people believe in them, like pagans do, regardless of whether they exist.

Of course there all Pagan, do you even no what you're talking about? I doubt it.

Sure I do, those that believe in multiple gods are polytheistic pagans.

Well you have at lest got one thing right. But here's the thing. the Creator gods within Pagan religion never claim the be the only god deserving of worship nor do they demand it like you god does.

The Living Father of the historical Jesus of Thomas says not to pray, and it's ok to cuss the Father.

Not time you what to talk about someone else religion, know something about it.

I know that "neo-paganism" is some goofy modern thing not necessarily like with pagans in general.

 

[EtuMalku]

أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ اللَّاتَ وَالْعُزَّى

وَمَنَاةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الْأُخْرَى
أَلَكُمُ الذَّكَرُ وَلَهُ الْأُنثَى

تِلْكَ إِذًا قِسْمَةٌ ضِيزَى. سورة النجم - سورة ‏٥٣: ١٩-٢٢‏

Sura an-Najm 53:19-22 are related to the time when Muhammad spoke the the Satanic Verses.

In Sura Hajj 22:52-53, Muhammad confessed his mistake, alleging that all prophets were tempted by Satan who inspire them with demonic verses, as if they were actually revealed by God. But later on Allah abrogated those Satanic Verses with new revelations and instructs his prophets with new verses. According to Islam, Allah permits such demonic inspiration to test weak believers and to cut off those with hardened hearts.

The true, vital issue about the Satanic verses is this. If Muhammad were unable to distinguish Satan's voice from God's voice, then could there be verses in the Qur'an that Muhammad assumed were from God but were really from Satan? Maybe much of the Qur'an is Satanic in origin, in spite of Muhammad's conviction that it was entirely from Allah.


The Qur'an clearly states that Muhammad spoke in the name of God and that he said things that God had not commanded him! Next, he charges that all the prophets of God voiced Satanic statements! According to the holy law of God, Muhammad ought to have been put to death as a false prophet! According to the Holy Scriptures, if a prophet spoke anything in the name of LORD that was not from Him, the prophet must be put to death! Muhammad spoke in the name of Allah and then admitted that he had really spoken the words of Satan.


Oops!


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[linwood]

I`m not saying Satan did write the Koran but..

Are you seriously stating that your evidence that Satan DIDN`T write the Koran is the Koran itself?

You theists are so cute.

 

[Fatihah]

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Sura an-Najm 53:19-22 are related to the time when Muhammad spoke the the Satanic Verses.

In Sura Hajj 22:52-53, Muhammad confessed his mistake, alleging that all prophets were tempted by Satan who inspire them with demonic verses, as if they were actually revealed by God. But later on Allah abrogated those Satanic Verses with new revelations and instructs his prophets with new verses. According to Islam, Allah permits such demonic inspiration to test weak believers and to cut off those with hardened hearts.

The true, vital issue about the Satanic verses is this. If Muhammad were unable to distinguish Satan's voice from God's voice, then could there be verses in the Qur'an that Muhammad assumed were from God but were really from Satan? Maybe much of the Qur'an is Satanic in origin, in spite of Muhammad's conviction that it was entirely from Allah.


The Qur'an clearly states that Muhammad spoke in the name of God and that he said things that God had not commanded him! Next, he charges that all the prophets of God voiced Satanic statements! According to the holy law of God, Muhammad ought to have been put to death as a false prophet! According to the Holy Scriptures, if a prophet spoke anything in the name of LORD that was not from Him, the prophet must be put to death! Muhammad spoke in the name of Allah and then admitted that he had really spoken the words of Satan.


Oops!


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Response: Nowhere in Surah 53 19-22 is Satan even mentioned. That alone shows how illogical the claim that the verses are Satanic is.

 

[Kurt31416]

There is no God but God.

No satan-gods.

 

[Zhakir]

أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ اللَّاتَ وَالْعُزَّى​

وَمَنَاةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الْأُخْرَى
أَلَكُمُ الذَّكَرُ وَلَهُ الْأُنثَى​

تِلْكَ إِذًا قِسْمَةٌ ضِيزَى. سورة النجم - سورة ‏٥٣: ١٩-٢٢‏​

Sura an-Najm 53:19-22 are related to the time when Muhammad spoke the the Satanic Verses.​

In Sura Hajj 22:52-53, Muhammad confessed his mistake, alleging that all prophets were tempted by Satan who inspire them with demonic verses, as if they were actually revealed by God. But later on Allah abrogated those Satanic Verses with new revelations and instructs his prophets with new verses. According to Islam, Allah permits such demonic inspiration to test weak believers and to cut off those with hardened hearts.​

The true, vital issue about the Satanic verses is this. If Muhammad were unable to distinguish Satan's voice from God's voice, then could there be verses in the Qur'an that Muhammad assumed were from God but were really from Satan? Maybe much of the Qur'an is Satanic in origin, in spite of Muhammad's conviction that it was entirely from Allah.​

The Qur'an clearly states that Muhammad spoke in the name of God and that he said things that God had not commanded him! Next, he charges that all the prophets of God voiced Satanic statements! According to the holy law of God, Muhammad ought to have been put to death as a false prophet! According to the Holy Scriptures, if a prophet spoke anything in the name of LORD that was not from Him, the prophet must be put to death! Muhammad spoke in the name of Allah and then admitted that he had really spoken the words of Satan.​

Oops! ​

Response: Nowhere in Surah 53 19-22 is Satan even mentioned. That alone shows how illogical the claim that the verses are Satanic is.

Yes,EtuMalku said nothing but lies,misleading lies.Anyone would ask why didn't EtuMalku put the translation of Sura an-Najm 53:19-22,and why did he showed only the Arabic text in an English forum where most of the people can't read Arabic.
The answer is to lie and attribute wrong claims to the Quran Sura an-Najm 53.
Copied it probably, from another misleading source and paste it here.
1.the translation is (Yusuf Ali) for 53:19-22
Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,And another, the third (goddess), Manat?What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!
The Arab pagans were used to attribute what they dislike to Allah (swt), a thing they disliked is to have daughters, many of them used kill their daughters after birth.they also used to attribute daughters to Allah (swt) who has no children or consort,Allah (swt) condems the killing and hating of daughters in several places in the Quran.
16:58-60
And they assign daughters for Allah! - Glory be to Him! - and for themselves (sons,- the issue) they desire!When news is brought to one of them, of (the birth of) a female (child), his face darkens, and he is filled with inward grief!With shame does he hide himself from his people, because of the bad news he has had! Shall he retain it on (sufferance and) contempt,or bury it in the dust? Ah! what an evil (choice) they decide on?To those who believe not in the Hereafter, applies the similitude of evil: to Allah applies the highest similitude: for He is theExalted in Power, full of Wisdom.
81:8-9
When the female (infant), buried alive, is questioned -For what crime she was killed;
43:16-17
What! has He taken daughters out of what He himself creates, and granted to you sons for choice ? When news is brought to one of them of (the birth of) what he sets up as a likeness to (Allah) Most Gracious, his face darkens, and he isfilled with inward grief!
Attributing disliked things to Allah (swt) is what 53:21-22 condems and speak about.
He didn't show the translation because it has nothing to do with this.

In Sura Hajj 22:52-53, Muhammad confessed his mistake, alleging that all prophets were tempted by Satan who inspire them with demonic verses, as if they were actually revealed by God. But later on Allah abrogated those Satanic Verses with new revelations and instructs his prophets with new verses.

EtuMalku, please check the sources where you get this frustrated claims.
Read the thread before puting them here,we have talked about this allegations and the response to them are found in this very thread Page 4 Post 17-19.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1661204-post17.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1661206-post18.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1661207-post19.html

 

[McBell]

There is no God but God.

No satan-gods.

Nothing more than your belief.
You can make all the claims you like to the contrary, but the fact is this is merely your belief.

Please note that merely repeating the same thing over and over, though it may well help you to cement your belief in concrete for yourself, makes you look desperate to convince people of your beliefs.

The problem is...Who are you trying to convince, yourself or others?

 

[Azakel]

Well, it's quite a bit more. Anything else is quickly demonstrated as superstition from the viewpoint of science. Not a good sign historically.

Are you saying that Science and History agree that your god is really and all other are superstition? You are sad, Science would demonstrate that your god is nothing more then superstition, and history shows nothing.

Oh, people believe in them, like pagans do, regardless of whether they exist.

Pagans don't believe in an Satan, and jinn aren't god nor are angel and nobody claim there are. Maybe you should read up an the subject so you can stop post ignorant crap.

Sure I do, those that believe in multiple gods are polytheistic pagans.

Well dah, but that has nothing to do with this Thread, you just came in here post nonsense.

The Living Father of the historical Jesus of Thomas says not to pray, and it's ok to cuss the Father.

Read my sig, that will show you ow much I think of your god.

I know that "neo-paganism" is some goofy modern thing not necessarily like with pagans in general.

More ignorant nonsense. What does Neo-Paganism have to do with what you said?

I really don't think you know what you are talking about.

 

[Azakel]

The problem is...Who are you trying to convince, yourself or others?

I think he's just Trolling.

 

[MissAlice]

Well satan was the father of lies and was an angel once....

Not that I believe in such a figure but if I did, I'd have to assume he'd outsmart everyone by creating controversy < <