The occult

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(copy/paste from my thread)


Main Entry: 1oc·cult Pronunciation: \ə-ˈkəlt, ä-\ Function: transitive verb Etymology: Latin occultare, frequentative of occulere
Date: 1500 : to shut off from view or exposure : cover, eclipse



Main Entry: 2oc·cult Pronunciation: \&#601;-&#712;k&#601;lt, ä-; &#712;ä-&#716;k&#601;lt\ Function: adjective Etymology: Latin occultus, from past participle of occulere to cover up, from ob- in the way + -culere (akin to celare to conceal) &#8212; more at ob-, hell Date: 1533 1: not revealed : secret2: not easily apprehended or understood : abstruse, mysterious3: hidden from view : concealed4: of or relating to the occult5: not manifest or detectable by clinical methods alone <occult carcinoma> ; also : not present in macroscopic amounts <occult blood in a stool>


Main Entry: 3occult Pronunciation: \same as 2\ Function: noun Date: 1923 : matters regarded as involving the action or influence of supernatural or supernormal powers or some secret knowledge of them &#8212;used with the


(Note how much later definition 3 came along. Does anyone know what that was about?)

 

[Erebus]

(Note how much later definition 3 came along. Does anyone know what that was about?)

It's the natural evolution of words. For example, the word "person" can be traced back to "persona" originally referring to an actor or a mask.
I've always found etymology pretty interesting.

 

[Mr Cheese]

There is nothing about freemasonry that is "beyond the range of ordinary knowledge or understanding." And nothing really mysterious.

really?

ok...


1)As regards the kabbalistic tree of life, what are Joachim and Boaz and how do they relate to freemasonary, and how are they derived?
2)to a freemason, what is a rosicrucian?
3)What is the overall "goal" of freemasonary? And what is the hebrew term for it?

that should keep you going, if you can be bothered to answer

 

[Mr Cheese]

You're mistaken. Some British jurisdictions have opened the Lodge to females. I saw a documentary about freemasonry recently. They interviewed a woman who was a lodge officer somewhere in England.

so do americans...

southern star I believe

there are others too....

BUT

the official Masonic head, equivalent to the catholic Vatican..

DOES NOT recognise female masons....
Thus officialy, masons are not and never will be female.

....

Of course the main reason for this is the rites within masonary are for men.

 

[England my lionheart]

When i think of the Occult it reminds me of Movies about Witch Covens,the Devil rides out was one such Movie and this sign

is a relatively new sign and came in the early 60s (i maybe wrong) but to me Occult just means mysterious,unknown.

 

[Willamena]

(Note how much later definition 3 came along. Does anyone know what that was about?)

No; but I can guess. Crowley.

 

[sojourner]

so do americans...

southern star I believe

there are others too....

BUT

the official Masonic head, equivalent to the catholic Vatican..

DOES NOT recognise female masons....
Thus officialy, masons are not and never will be female.

....

Of course the main reason for this is the rites within masonary are for men.

Yes, there are appendant bodies for females, such as Eastern Star, Rainbow, and the Ladies of the Shrine, but there are not women in the blue lodge.

Here, the grand lodges are independent. I don't know about Britain.

 

[sojourner]

really?

ok...


1)As regards the kabbalistic tree of life, what are Joachim and Boaz and how do they relate to freemasonary, and how are they derived?
2)to a freemason, what is a rosicrucian?
3)What is the overall "goal" of freemasonary? And what is the hebrew term for it?

that should keep you going, if you can be bothered to answer

I will answer to the first. Jachin and Boaz can be found in any Bible and their meaning found out by anyone who wishes to know.

The second and third I can not comment on specifically. The "goal" (I would hesitate to call it that) of freemasonry is not specific to the fraternity, and it is shared by other human endeavors. The allegory by which freemasons understand the endeavor is specific to the fraternity, and held in secret.

 

[Chuckii]

What makes you think it isnt?

although I agree it mostly just a boys club now, what makes you think it isn't "occultic"???

The Freemasons are, as you say, essentially a boys' club for grown men. I live literally a minute away from the local Freemason's building. (note, it is not for the sole use of the Freemasons, it is used for many other local activities) My partner and I know many people who are Freemasons, and, from what they tell us, it is basically a chance to show off to each other in the local community; one has even told us that the Freemasons are 'better than the scum around here because we're all rich and have worthwhile jobs. We also go to church'
Now, I have a problem with this; even if they DID dabble in the occult (which they certainly don't seem to do so, even if they did it wouldn't bother me in the slightest) they shouldn't make themselves out to be superior to those around them in the local community. Regardless of religion/occultic practises.
I may be totally wrong, they may just be staging 'glamorous' events on a regular basis as a cover for occultic activity, but if they do so, they keep it completely under wraps.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Yes, there are appendant bodies for females, such as Eastern Star, Rainbow, and the Ladies of the Shrine, but there are not women in the blue lodge.

Here, the grand lodges are independent. I don't know about Britain.

Still women are NOT Masons...officially

masonary as a spiritual practice has been designed by men FOR men

call it sexist if you like, but it is what it is

 

[Mr Cheese]

I will answer to the first. Jachin and Boaz can be found in any Bible and their meaning found out by anyone who wishes to know.

The second and third I can not comment on specifically. The "goal" (I would hesitate to call it that) of freemasonry is not specific to the fraternity, and it is shared by other human endeavors. The allegory by which freemasons understand the endeavor is specific to the fraternity, and held in secret.

In other words you cant answer any of these questions?

lol

 

[Willamena]

In other words you cant answer any of these questions?

What are the answers (or, as a woman, am I not allowed to ask)?

 

[Mr Cheese]

The Freemasons are, as you say, essentially a boys' club for grown men. I live literally a minute away from the local Freemason's building. (note, it is not for the sole use of the Freemasons, it is used for many other local activities) My partner and I know many people who are Freemasons, and, from what they tell us, it is basically a chance to show off to each other in the local community; one has even told us that the Freemasons are 'better than the scum around here because we're all rich and have worthwhile jobs. We also go to church'
Now, I have a problem with this; even if they DID dabble in the occult (which they certainly don't seem to do so, even if they did it wouldn't bother me in the slightest) they shouldn't make themselves out to be superior to those around them in the local community. Regardless of religion/occultic practises.
I may be totally wrong, they may just be staging 'glamorous' events on a regular basis as a cover for occultic activity, but if they do so, they keep it completely under wraps.

Well masonary is a form of Hermeticism
It has devolved into meaningless dribble for many; but for those that know, masonary is a form of Hermetics... although different lodges color things, but the goal generally remains the same...

 

[sojourner]

To Chuck:
This is really sad. This statement:

Freemasons are 'better than the scum around here because we're all rich and have worthwhile jobs. We also go to church'

goes against what freemasonry stands for -- indeed, against the very way in which freemasons are charged to consider themselves and their fellow human beings.

 

[sojourner]

In other words you cant answer any of these questions?

lol

In other words, I shan't go there with you, in this venue.

 

[sojourner]

What are the answers (or, as a woman, am I not allowed to ask)?

If he's a real freemason, he is constrained from answering, except within the confines of a lodge, or to another freemason.

If he's not a real freemason, his answers wouldn't be reliable.

 

[Chuckii]

Well masonary is a form of Hermeticism
It has devolved into meaningless dribble for many; but for those that know, masonary is a form of Hermetics... although different lodges color things, but the goal generally remains the same...

Hi Mr Cheese; sorry for the ignorance here, but what is Hermeticism? (Not trying to argue, just genuinely don't know what the word means; apologies!)

 

[sojourner]

Well masonary is a form of Hermeticism
It has devolved into meaningless dribble for many; but for those that know, masonary is a form of Hermetics... although different lodges color things, but the goal generally remains the same...

Not sure I completely agree. But I sure don't see what that (even if it's true) has to do with the statement that Chuck heard.

 

[Mr Cheese]

What are the answers (or, as a woman, am I not allowed to ask)?

ha ha

 

[sojourner]

Still women are NOT Masons...officially

masonary as a spiritual practice has been designed by men FOR men

call it sexist if you like, but it is what it is

Hmmm. Odd.

I'm not aware of freemasonry being specifically a "spiritual practice."