The One Cause of Poverty That’s Never Considered

[Nakosis]

Well, it is a bit more complex than that, because of how unions are treated can have an influence on that.

Unions are seen by some workers as the enemy in the US. Maybe corporate propaganda but not as prevalent here.
If they are present, yes they can have an influence. Not usually a governmental issue but even unions can become one.

Sometimes the government sides with the union and sometimes not but to your point it can get complecated.

In Australia, when I was there anyway, unions had a lot more power than in the US.

 

[Kfox]

Europe is flooded with immigrants, goes to show just how out of touch with reality you are with your Americentric vision

Are you saying Amsterdam has proportionately as many immigrants as the USA?

 

[Lyndon]

Are you saying Amsterdam has proportionately as many immigrants as the USA?

as many recent immigrants yes, don't you read international news??

 

[Revoltingest]

And why would they want to do that, if capitalism works so well?

Because it's like believing in Heaven.
They want a paradise that reality isn't providing.
But they're unaware that it's a dream...a fiction.

 

[Kfox]

as many recent immigrants yes, don't you read international news??

I'm not talking about just recent immigrants, I'm talking about actual numbers in proportion to the total population.

 

[Audie]

Because it's like believing in Heaven.
They want a paradise that reality isn't providing.
But they're unaware that it's a dream...a fiction.

Social engineers / idealists or facsimiles thereof
talk workers paradise to earnest gullible people and
then deliver horror and death.

I've heard about that.

 

[Audie]

The only people in a factory who "generate" anything (a marketable product) are the workers. What does a janitor or a clerk or a CEO "generate"? Why pay them at all?

You can't be serious.

 

[Heyo]

You can't be serious.

I was seriously trying to get @Kfox review his statement.

 

[Audie]

I was seriously trying to get @Kfox review his statement.

...slinks away...

 

[Kfox]

Not if he doesn't pay his workers more generously, otherwise he is just leaching off their effort

CEO's don't determine worker wages, Managers and Unions do. Again; if a CEO puts the company on a more productive course under his leadership resulting to increased revenue, would you agree his leadership has generated more revenue for the company?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

CEO's don't determine worker wages, Managers and Unions do. Again; if a CEO puts the company on a more productive course under his leadership resulting to increased revenue, would you agree his leadership has generated more revenue for the company?

Too simple. And how unios work depend on the legal framework.

 

[Kfox]

What is needed is to change the attitudes of the rich, not the poor, to pay their workers a decent living wage

Workers wages are usually determined by the managers who are not rich.

 

[Kfox]

Too simple. And how unios work depend on the legal framework.

That's nice. Now care to answer my question?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Workers wages are usually determined by the managers who are not rich.

Depends on the company.

 

[Kfox]

Depends on the company.

Which companies do not?

 

[Stevicus]

CEO's don't determine worker wages, Managers and Unions do.

What companies do you know of where the CEO is not the top executive authority? Most companies don't even have unions, and managers (aka "straw bosses") just do what they're told by the higher ups.

Again; if a CEO puts the company on a more productive course under his leadership resulting to increased revenue, would you agree his leadership has generated more revenue for the company?

If they could prove it mathematically, then sure. As a thought experiment, I once started a thread called "A Challenge to Capitalists" in which I challenged them to show me, in mathematical terms while showing their work, why CEOs deserve such large salaries. All I got in response was a bunch of mealy-mouthed BS about how hard they work, but no evidence or mathematical proof that they actually do.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Which companies do not?

E.g. for MC-D it depends on how a local entity is owned.

 

[Kfox]

What companies do you know of where the CEO is not the top executive authority?

I never said the CEO was not the top authority, I said he does not determine wages; managers do

Most companies don't even have unions, and managers (aka "straw bosses") just do what they're told by the higher ups.

Managers run the store, and it is their job to pay employees based on what the store can afford to pay them

If they could prove it mathematically, then sure. As a thought experiment, I once started a thread called "A Challenge to Capitalists" in which I challenged them to show me, in mathematical terms while showing their work, why CEOs deserve such large salaries. All I got in response was a bunch of mealy-mouthed BS about how hard they work, but no evidence or mathematical proof that they actually do.

I suspect they provided answers that were reasonable to their satisfaction, just not yours.

 

[metis]

The USA is pretty much a country of immigrants. How many Immigrants (legal and illegal) Does Amsterdam have compared to the US that hasn't spent their lives adding to the system? I've got a feeling if Amsterdam had as many immigrants migrating to their country as we have migrating to ours, their system of cradle to grave care would not work as well as it does now

They have many immigrants since they draw from numerous Dutch colonies and protectorates. Lotsa Indonsians, for example, and I love their cuisine.

The rest of your post doesn't make any economic sense whatsoever, so maybe take a trip there and find out for yourself instead of just spouting nonsense.

 

[metis]

If peace n quiet is your scene avoid Hong Kong.
A ordinary day here woukd be a national disaster in Sweden

Oh yes, and my parents were there back in the 70's.