The ONLY religious question!

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Apostles of Christ were sent forth by Him as individuals appointed by HIm to preach the gospel of the kingdom. Do you deny this to be fact according to the Holy Scriptures?

John 17:18

Okay, so -- preach "the gospel of the kingdom."

Where is it? What is it? When is it? Who's in? Who's out? Why? How does the universal God get to be exclusionary of some, welcoming of others?

You see -- while God may personally have had tea with you and told you all about it, he seems to have left me, several millions Hindus, nearly a billion Muslims, and a whole lot of other people out. Perhaps he couldn't bear talking to us himself, and decided he need to appoint a couple of really nice, really good, really stupid fishermen to convey to the entire world the one really, truly, only important message that everybody needed to know.

And perhaps He was smoking something that day that clouded his wisdom just a tad, because that method of delivering such an important message is clearly -- as can be seen by the simple fact that IT DID NOT WORK -- a failure.

 

[Daisies4me]

Okay, so -- preach "the gospel of the kingdom."

Where is it? What is it? When is it? Who's in? Who's out? Why? How does the universal God get to be exclusionary of some, welcoming of others?

You see -- while God may personally have had tea with you and told you all about it, he seems to have left me, several millions Hindus, nearly a billion Muslims, and a whole lot of other people out. Perhaps he couldn't bear talking to us himself, and decided he need to appoint a couple of really nice, really good, really stupid fishermen to convey to the entire world the one really, truly, only important message that everybody needed to know.

And perhaps He was smoking something that day that clouded his wisdom just a tad, because that method of delivering such an important message is clearly -- as can be seen by the simple fact that IT DID NOT WORK -- a failure.

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ecclesiastes 12:13 is very simply stated. apply it and see where it takes you.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

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ecclesiastes 12:13 is very simply stated. apply it and see where it takes you.

Very nice, I'm sure, but please note:
1. you completely ignored ALL of my questions (I'm sure that will save you a lot of effort, but it will also allow me to ignore you completely as somebody with nothing to say)
2. it also refers to "God's Commandments," many of which EVERYBODY ignores. For example, the Jews avoid pork, but hardly ever slaughter their disobedient children anymore, as they were commanded to. And the Christians never give up all their stuff and shun their families, which is completely contrary to what Christ told them to do.

Think. It takes a few minutes work, but it's worth it.

 

[Daisies4me]

Very nice, I'm sure, but please note:
1. you completely ignored ALL of my questions (I'm sure that will save you a lot of effort, but it will also allow me to ignore you completely as somebody with nothing to say)
2. it also refers to "God's Commandments," many of which EVERYBODY ignores. For example, the Jews avoid pork, but hardly ever slaughter their disobedient children anymore, as they were commanded to. And the Christians never give up all their stuff and shun their families, which is completely contrary to what Christ told them to do.

Think. It takes a few minutes work, but it's worth it.

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many of your comments do not deserve the time it takes to weed out the irrational unfunny attempts at being 'cute', or the insults you hurl at people.
to put it very bluntly. get serious, or be respectful, and see how that works for you.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

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many of your comments do not deserve the time it takes to weed out the irrational unfunny attempts at being 'cute', or the insults you hurl at people.
to put it very bluntly. get serious, or be respectful, and see how that works for you.

How am I disrespectful? I asked you several quite specific questions in response to your comment to me. You ignored each and every one of those questions, pointed to precisely one verse in (what is essentially the most atheist text) the Bible, and instructed me to "apply it."

Thus, you give me "orders" and call me disrespectful? At the very least, I try to respond to you with honesty. I think it would not be unfair to call your evasion a great deal less "respectful" than my response.

 

[Daisies4me]

How am I disrespectful? I asked you several quite specific questions in response to your comment to me. You ignored each and every one of those questions, pointed to precisely one verse in (what is essentially the most atheist text) the Bible, and instructed me to "apply it."

Thus, you give me "orders" and call me disrespectful? At the very least, I try to respond to you with honesty. I think it would not be unfair to call your evasion a great deal less "respectful" than my response.

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My apologies. I presumed to be speaking with an adult.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Sorry, had to post this, after having just had a rant in another thread...

To everyone who has a religious belief that the hold to be "the Truth," or "the only way to salvation," I want to ask this one simple question:

What the hell do you think you know that everybody else doesn't? How can you be so blindly stupid as to imagine for yourself a God that could make his truth known to you -- but was utterly powerless to make it known to everybody else?

Luke 10:21 explains that it would be "hidden" from some, and "revealed" to others. The difference hinges on obedience to God's commands, like the one about not killing your brothers.... or even your enemy, for that matter. -- John 13:34-35; Matthew 5:44. Compare 1 John 3:10-15; Matthew 22:37-39.


Capiche? It's really quite simple. Hard to follow, in today's hate-filled world (i.e., not easy, considering the pressure to conform), but still simple.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

1. you completely ignored ALL of my questions (I'm sure that will save you a lot of effort, but it will also allow me to ignore you completely as somebody with nothing to say)

That's what witnesses do, if you get them backed in a corner, where if they answer truthfully it will show their teachings to be false, they will refuse to answer. Like this,

I've asked Daisies4me a few times to quote from the Epistles what the Apostles preached, and she/he cannot/will not do it.

The old avoidance routine!

I didn't say anything about what Jesus said or did. Jesus said, "THIS good news will be preached" so, search the Epistles and tell us what the good news was that all the Apostles preached, THE EPISTLES, NOT THE GOSPELS! Starting with Acts and going thru to Revelation, what did the Apostles preach?

Matthew 24:14 (ESV Strong's) 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Please search the Epistles, where the Apostles preached "the Gospel of the Kingdom" and tell us what they preached! Tell us if they preached, God's name is Jehovah, or, paradise earth.

I get answers like this,

Apostles of Christ were sent forth by Him as individuals appointed by HIm to preach the gospel of the kingdom. Do you deny this to be fact according to the Holy Scriptures?

John 17:18

She can't leave the 4 Gospels for some reason, I've asked for quotes from the EPISTLES as to what the Apostles preached, and all I get is what Jesus said and did, nothing else.

 

[Nakosis]

How long have you had this belief?

3 to 4 years now. Trying to understand other's concepts of truth, I found most folks I came across had a different variation of the concept. What I find is that at best, truth is temporary.

Shouldn't this say, "though for EVERYONE, truth is something they've decided to believe in"? Or are you saying, for some, they don't get to choose what they believe in?

I can't speak for everyone, just myself and a few authors who decided to publish their ideas.

Then how does your post hold any weight?

My posts hold weight for me. For anyone else that's for them to judge. In fact a lot of times I post what I think just to see if someone else has a better idea.

If this is TRUE, then we all make our own truth. Because what people experience each moment is due to the choices we make. That's not TRUTH, that's cause and effect, action and reaction.

Then truth is cause and effect. Something I'd suspect materialists might agree with.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

My apologies. I presumed to be speaking with an adult.

From the person who counsels "be respectful...."

 

[djhwoodwerks]

From the person who counsels "be respectful...."

It's the witness mindset. When a witness is disrespectful, rude or hateful, to a non-witness, they are 'imitating Jesus' because He called people vipers, but when a non-witness does it to a witness, they are disrespectful, rude and hateful!

 

[Kenny]

I've asked Daisies4me a few times to quote from the Epistles what the Apostles preached, and she/he cannot/will not do it.

She can't leave the 4 Gospels for some reason, I've asked for quotes from the EPISTLES as to what the Apostles preached, and all I get is what Jesus said and did, nothing else.

I think there is good reason for this (although there are some exceptions).

1. The Epistles don't necessarily deal with what is preached (although there are doctrinal positions). Many of them were dealing more with administration issues, moral issues et al.
2. Acts has more to do with what was preached since it deals more historically about this matter
3. It is assumed that the Apostles followed what Jesus said to preach in as much as it was Jesus who told them.

Was there a specific area that you wanted to zero in on?

 

[New Age Spiritual Leader]

All religion?
All religions?

That's a rather broad sweeping statement.

No it isn't. It is the truth.

All religions are man-made without the use of any god involved in the determination of what is taught.

If you think otherwise, please list that religion.

I don't believe you can, especially if you analyze them all. Clearly you seem to not have done this.

Please clarify......as your two word question, really just shows me that you are limited in your knowledge of what you speak of.

Well?

 

[New Age Spiritual Leader]

I've asked Daisies4me a few times to quote from the Epistles what the Apostles preached, and she/he cannot/will not do it.



I think there is good reason for this (although there are some exceptions).

1. The Epistles don't necessarily deal with what is preached (although there are doctrinal positions). Many of them were dealing more with administration issues, moral issues et al.
2. Acts has more to do with what was preached since it deals more historically about this matter
3. It is assumed that the Apostles followed what Jesus said to preach in as much as it was Jesus who told them.

Was there a specific area that you wanted to zero in on?

Why do you limit what Jesus taught to what men gave you?

 

[New Age Spiritual Leader]

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If I may add a couple of thoughts to the conversation: Jesus, the Son of God, The Messiah, or Christ, spoke in parables when speaking in public -- do you know why he did that?
One parable that helps us to understand why many people hear 'truths' but don't accept them for the long run... it is found in Matthew chapter 13 speaks to this. The offer is given, but many reject it. The indication is that due to the condition of the heart of the listener, that one may cherish what they learn, and continue searching out truths, while others may loose interest or be otherwise occupied and not pay attention. It depends on the heart condition of the one hearing the message, whether the seeds sown grow or wither and die.

Why do you limit what Jesus taught to just the bible? You realize that there are many others available, right?

Nag Hammadi Library Alphabetical Index

Gospel of Thomas - Patterson & Robinson Translation -- Nag Hammadi Library

(2) Jesus says:

(1) "The one who seeks should not cease seeking until he finds.
(2) And when he finds, he will be dismayed.
(3) And when he is dismayed, he will be astonished.
(4) And he will be king over the All."

(3) Jesus says:

(1) "If those who lead you say to you: ‘Look, the kingdom is in the sky!’
then the birds of the sky will precede you.
(2) If they say to you: ‘It is in the sea,’ then the fishes will precede you.
(3) Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and outside of you."
(4) "When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known,
and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father.
(5) But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty."

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Or are you now going to make a statement that those aren't from Jesus?

Before you do.....rethink what you will say, because as far as the bible is concerned....there is nothing written by Jesus at all.....and you only read what men wrote about Jesus.

This is the honesty that Jesus asked of us.....can you actually say, "I believe in all of what Jesus taught" - and not lie about doing so?

 

[New Age Spiritual Leader]

if you quote ALL of my post .....instead of the portion you care to twist.....

so...in your response...
you are part of God's creation?

Hear me well....

- I am a creation of my Mother and Father.
- you cannot prove "God" created me, so please don't say "He" did.
- You cannot prove anything that "God" created.

If you could prove "God" in any sense, you would be famous.

Whatcha got? Please provide your links that confirms what you say.

 

[Vinayaka]

No it isn't. It is the truth.

All religions are man-made without the use of any god involved in the determination of what is taught.

If you think otherwise, please list that religion.

I don't believe you can, especially if you analyze them all. Clearly you seem to not have done this.

Please clarify......as your two word question, really just shows me that you are limited in your knowledge of what you speak of.

Well?

This thread is really old and I can't remember the context of my statement. Suffice it to say everyone is entitled to their opinion, yourself included.

 

[New Age Spiritual Leader]

I believe that the truth is available to everyone. The problem is, many really do not want to know the truth. 2 Timothy 4:3,4 describes many really do not want to know the truth.; "For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories."
Add to this the fact that "Satan...is misleading the entire inhabited earth", I find little wonder that only a relatively small minority know and follow the truth. (Revelation 12:9)

The powers of Self.

"I believe..." - personal action


"many really do not want to know the truth." - personal action

"many really do not want to know the truth." - personal perception - not proof

'Add to this the fact that "Satan" - there are no facts to back up that an entity like this exists - personal perception
- If "Satan" did exist, and was created by "God", why does an "all-powerful God" allow this being to go against what "He expects". This duality only creates fear within the followers of Christianity, without ever investigating the entity "Satan"....
+ FYI - the planet Venus is the origin of this mythology

"I find little wonder"

Self - the ability to see, hear, project, and state things that one "feels an emotional attachment too" without any proof that what they say has any facts to them.

Clearly this poster has not researched their religion.

Be wary.

 

[New Age Spiritual Leader]

This thread is really old and I can't remember the context of my statement. Suffice it to say everyone is entitled to their opinion, yourself included.

Of course you don't......and you couldn't even re-read what you wrote.

Instead - you decided to not embark on understanding, but reject the truth.

Deflection and avoidance is very common with so-called "Christians" - and you show to be no different - especially when they are faced with the truth about their belief.

You are a very typical follower of men.

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[New Age Spiritual Leader]

Apostles of Christ were sent forth by Him as individuals appointed by HIm to preach the gospel of the kingdom. Do you deny this to be fact according to the Holy Scriptures?

John 17:18

One must accept all of what Jesus taught, to even claim to be an Apostle. You are not an apostle.

Why don't you believe and accept all of what Jesus taught?

Are you afraid to?

You weren't told to?

Other men told you differently about those non-canonical texts?

Why?

Is it fear of ridicule by others?

Looks what has happened when you don't now.....ridicule. But you are more afraid if you were too?

Clearly, the truth is not within you.

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