Do not apply a standard of evidence to another that you have not applied to yourself.
I didn't and I don't.
It's a plagiarized picture. You didn't give credit. And the picture is copyrighted material.
you're melting down over it trying to character assassinate me
Nope... and Nope. You're character is not on trial here. Your words are flawed. Your arguments are without evidence. It's a long list. But all of it, is your own doing. I am just pointing them out. I am tempted to re-post all the false claims, just so that the audience can have an accurate count.
And before you get all high and mighty about ad hominem... please don't forget. You opened the door to ad hominem when you replied, "Oh boy, here come's the Jew". As the first reply to my post on this thread.
Please: Most respectfully:
Can we agree this is your central claim?
You have repeated it, many times. It is usually bold. I think it's important to point it out, because, there might be some really valuable insights that you have to offer.
But, those valuable insights started out from belief. Without belief, there would be no valuable insights.
The whole claim about belief is ridiculous. Because you consistently use belief in this thread to argue point after point after point.
Belief is a virtue. If not, why do you keep using it in this debate?
I think, what you either can't see or refuse to admit is:
Your beliefs are good. Other beliefs are bad. That's hypocrisy.
Yes - not the least of which is chastity. It is the standard of evidence demanded by Jesus re: satan having no bind (over him).
Are you chaste? If not - I can only explain why chastity is required to 'know' satan and you would either have to accept it, or accept that your standard of appraisal re: "satan" is not to the same standard as mine given you are not chaste. In which case, you don't have an argument either way because the same standard of evidence I employ is not employed by you.
So, the proof is being chaste? How is this objective? { he says while scratching his head }
You have to be chaste to accept the proof. That is subjective, for sure. That's a fact.
If it's subjective it is belief. You have no evidence that is not belief.
I'm sorry.
In part - but chastity is required. In other words, I did not know anything about satan until becoming chaste.
OK, well... there it is. Ya have to drink my cool-aid or ya won't get it.
Chastity is required. That fits the rest of your arguments.
My-way or the high-way. Fundamentalism.
"Fundamentalism indicates
unwavering attachment to a set of irreducible beliefs. Is characterized by a markedly
strict literalism as it is applied to certain specific scriptures, dogmas, or ideologies, and a strong sense of the
importance of maintaining ingroup and outgroup distinctions"
Fundamentalism - Wikipedia
"
a strong sense of the importance of maintaining ingroup and outgroup distinctions"
Well, that is a perfect discription of the what you are saying. See below:
Are you chaste? ...chastity is required. In other words, I did not know anything about satan until becoming chaste.
In group = chaste
Out group = not chaste
It's the same argument you made about who and who is not Jewish:
That is not always a good thing. If you ask those 1000 Jewish people if Moses was a prophet of god, they will tell you yes - otherwise they are not a Jew.
In group: Believing Moses was a Prophet
Out group: They Believe otherwise
It's just more black vs. white thinking. Which you engage in by your own admission:
I reduce things into yes/no questions. Rather than good/evil judgments, I simply ask black-and-white questions that resolve what reality reflects.
It's Fundamentalism; Black vs. White; Over Simplified; Dogmatic; Belief.
@9-18-1, I thought you agreed to quote me properly. Please explain why you are intentionally changing the quotes around. I think you're baiting me again.
Question: what is your intention with the misquote above?
Wisdom and ha meshiach are the same
Another belief... Maybe there is value to it. But it is still a belief. It's not knowledge till you have evidence and can demonstrate it.
Whatever Adam named the animals, that is what they were.
This is one of your jokes?
Aren't you arguing against a literal reading of the Torah? I think you're flip-flopping again.
The Torah is myth: Flip
Adam named the animals: Flop
Flip-Flop = Sloppy
"BELIEF" IS NOT A VIRTUE
because satan requires "belief" in the first place.
No "belief" = no satan.
@9-18-1,
This is really interesting, because: What you said above has tremendous value. But it simply isn't black and white.
"No belief in satan" is a good positive valuable statement.
I actually really appreciate that.
It's focused, feels true; relevant, useful... it's good stuff.
But how you got there is all based on belief.
What I know, I know. What I do not know, I do not know.
This is a foolish statement in a debate where the central claim is "belief is not a virtue".
I know what I know, and I don't have to show evidence.
You do if you want to show that belief is not a virtue.
Asserting the negative is very hard to do. All I need to do is show a few examples that refute your claim and the claim you are making is false.
In order to make it true you would need to walk back the Fundamentalism, walk back the rhetoric and the preaching, and say something like:
Belief is sometimes a virtue and sometimes not a virtue.
Then the claim is no longer false.
It really is that simple.
This is your own projection: to 'know' satan is different than to "believe" something about satan, because satan requires "belief" in the first place.
Therefor, to 'know' satan requires 0 "belief".
You're contradicting yourself.
Satan requires belief. Without belief satan doesn't exist.
Once a person has no belief, how can they "know" something that doesn't exist?
Sorry... yet again, your logic falls apart.
Diagram is not evidence of satan.
If the diagram is not evidence why are you posting it repeatedly?
Are you preaching for the Meru Foundation?
It reminds me of other religious people who just want to post their scripture.
Is that what you are doing. Looking for reasons to post your gospel online?
@9-18-1,
I could keep going on and on showing how flawed your posts are.
But I want to focus on this one:
It is the standard of evidence demanded by Jesus re: satan having no bind (over him).
Do you **know** whether or not Jesus is real?
Because if not, then why are you using Jesus as evidence for your claim?
Unless: Belief is a virtue. A Belief in Jesus is helping you make your claim?
Belief in Jesus is supporting your choice to be chaste?
And Chastity is required for knowledge?
Again, you are contradicting yourself. It's a pattern.
