Correct.
Sometimes belief is a virtue; sometimes it isn't.
Incorrect.
Nothing new or innovative about that.
However, how many times have you posted:
"BELIEF IS NOT A VIRTUE."
Of course belief is a virtue. I have been saying that all along.
That is what makes you incorrect - "belief" is not a virtue.
It is moreso a vice: it is like saying, if we were to pool all of the "believers" of the world into a giant pool, 49% are 'true', 51% are 'untrue', eventually it will still collapse if given enough time. The real distribution is closer to, well...almost identical to wealth distribution. Most of the wealth of the planet is in the top 5%, probably rendering moreso a 5/95 split, which would invariably manifest perpetual war, which...
...we find! Over thousands of years - constant war over... what?
"Belief" in books and central figure idols?
Is a "belief"-based state which employs a central scripture/figure a viable model for humanity?
Judaism? Christianity? Islam?
Has either "belief"-based state ever produced a single-state (ie. no major divisions) that do not later split into numerous appendages that connect to the central state?
How can Islam be a religion of "peace" when it divided immediately upon the death of the prophet of Islam?
What are the implications that Muslims "BELIEVE" the Qur'an to have been delivered by god, but it is actually a man-made text?
See.. I don't think you understand what 'gravity' is, no offense. Please try to understand and factor in the gravity of claims - it is serious gravity. If false... big problems, and explains all of human history.
I think that 9-18-1 has been trying to wiggle out of this statement quite a lot. So I think it is good for folks to have the entire quote and link so they can read 9-18-1's reply.
"Oh boy, here comes the Jew" is not neutral as he claims.
Who determines that? You, or me? Who is/was polarized by the comment?
If there is doubt, please read 9-18-1's posts linked above and decide for yourself.
There is no shame in being a Jew. I find that Jews are needed to solve the global M/E crisis, but it will take a great gesture of humility.
Why did you bring up Jesus and now you are asking me to forget it?
Because you are focusing on the figure/idol and not on the teaching itself.
And how is my chastity or lack thereof relevant at all.
Because it is necessary to understand satan - in fact related to the Ark of Noah.
If a person needs to be chaste in order for the evidence to be true, that is subjective.
Not for it to be 'known as' true, but to see the evidence which would lead to it.
Any evidence you provide that is subjective is Belief.
No, you're abusing the word "belief" here.
You are still using belief to make your case.
Again - abusing the word. I told you we need a single reference definition.
And I say again, why bring up Jesus and them ask me to forget it?
Because you don't understand the point. The point is not about Jesus. It is about: is what he taught true, yes or no? I tested it. You did/have not. That is a problem that no sweeping dismissal of yours can deal with. If the crux of the argument (ie. understanding the kingdom of heaven) is chastity is a requirement, but someone tries to argue that this is subjective without testing it, they are the ones being subjective.
I hope you do not make that mistake.
This is the same pattern you have been demonstrating all along.
It is yours.
It is like throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. The evidence provided is faulty and doesn't stick, we are asked to forget it.
I repeat, why did you present evidence and then immediately when challenged ask me to forget the evidence?
See you're trying to imply/impose your own paranoia-driven perspective and read into what you want to be there. You are absolutely obsessed with trying to undermine me and virtue signal to others, meanwhile I am the one telling them "belief" is not a virtue anyways. It is very peculiar. But let me try to give you a child's way of seeing it.
Concerning a cat and a mouse;
For the mouse, it's life and death,
For the cat, it's just a game.
Whose game is this?
It is very easy to get you wound up. Personally: I keep things in perspective.
Hundreds of millions of people are dead.
Billions have a "belief"-based delusion.
Women are being raped by sexually degenerated men on a daily basis.
I set out 4 years ago to answer the question "from whence human suffering?"
I had to understand my own suffering first and release my own binds.
I found compassion in seeing others binds and how they are enslaved to them.
I see binds in others, and how they suffer them. But the ego/arrogance part is the mouse I'm going to keep batting at until we drop the ad hominem personal targeting. You're very, very narrow-minded when you make things of a personal nature not actually considering the suffering of others re: these matters of "belief"-based institutions and how (if what I say is true: that "belief" is not a virtue) "BELIEF" is directly responsible for a vast amount(s) of human suffering on this planet - ever moreso than the possible and/or temporary solace and occasional happenstance concordance with creation (if even by chance).
If the Torah/Bible/Qur'an show signs which overwhelmingly indicate that they are man-made and/or manhandled, there are billions of people who erroneously imbue these books with an authority they do not actually possess. If true (and this is true, given that the Torah alone shows such signs) the global "power" derived from such "beliefs" utilized by the various divisions of the state have the ability to use this power for purposes that necessarily indicate human suffering, war and death.
If someone "believes" something that is not true,
and their life energies are absorbed by a 'state' perpetuating the false "belief",
and this power can be used for illicit purposes,
and neither the Torah/Bible/Qur'an indicate any need whatsoever to "believe" they are of divine origin,
"BELIEF" IS NOT A VIRTUE
because:
i. There was no potent delivery, therefor no potency behind the god of Abraham (catastrophic) and no Hebrew Moses (justifying the state of Israel, which is technically an illegitimate state).
ii. There is no coming external "messiah" ie. Jesus was/is a Greek idol (idol worship)
iii. Muhammad's attempt to convince the Jews he was it, which failed, lead to the antisemitic disposition held by the "belief"-based 'state' of Islam
iv. Islam, itself a "belief"-based state, employs a forged book and male central figure whose sexual behavior resembles nothing short of an infidel man (and him having violated every single one of the ten commandments - ad absurdum) and purports this figure/idol as the most exemplary model of humanity.
One need not be a f*cking "prophet" to see it: Islam is a humanitarian crisis, based on an unresolved projected Messiah-complex developed by the early Jews who only suffered themselves and imagined a savior coming to save them.
Where are the priorities of the Jew re: humanity? Just stick together in their tribal mentality, or actually own up to their falsification of history?
That is where I end, and the rest of humanity takes on. I can't choose for humanity. If Islam is not addressed, it will rip everything apart as it always has, is, and will.
Muhammad is nowhere near 703: he is the imbalance of it. One could easily state he is the anti-Christ: his "example" certainly is.
